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Blackberry Future Uncertain

Dave White writes "Research In Motion and NTP have failed to reach a settlement in the Blackberry case. It looks like the door has been opened for NTP to be granted an injunction blocking the sales of Blackberry wireless messaging devices in the US. The New York Times (free registration yadda yadda) has the scoop on this interesting development."

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  1. Bug Me Not by VxJasonxV · · Score: 5, Informative
  2. Text from a diff source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    RIM and NTP Reach An Impasse

    Research In Motion said it has reached an impasse with NTP Inc. in finalizing a patent dispute settlement and would take court action.

    The two sides had reached a settlement in March with RIM agreeing to pay $450 million to NTP to settle the patent litigation. In return, RIM was granted an unfettered right to continue its BlackBerry-related business without further interference from NTP or its patents. "We are extremely disappointed and I am personally extremely disappointed that this matter which we believed was resolved has been reopened by NTP," Jim Balsillie, RIM chairman and chief executive, said in a conference call.

    He also emphasized the terms agreed to in March "were clear and unambiguous. "For nearly three months now, RIM has been working in good faith to complete the process and obtain the final license and settlement documents," Balsillie said. According to RIM, NTP refuses to honor its obligations under the term sheet and finalize the definitive documents. Calls to NTP went unanswered. RIM said while it is unsure of the outcome of the court's decision, it is reviewing any potential accounting implications and has already set aside and will continue holding on to the funds to make the settlement payment.

  3. This is actually a Good Thing(tm) by shatfield · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We need a hundred of these types of losses -- where patents directly affect the public. Let the public get comfortable using a very necessary and nice technology, and then let some crappy company come out of nowhere and extort their way into an injunction and removal of the widget from the marketplace. The company (RIM in this case) should then perform a recall on all devices that infringe on that patent - notifying the users of their equipment exactly WHY they are being forced to give up their Blackberries.

    Then we'll see how long it takes to reform the patent system!

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    1. Re:This is actually a Good Thing(tm) by finkployd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Forget this public, the opinions of those peons matter very little. This has the potential to affect CONGRESS! All those senators and representatives have Blackberries, and perhaps something that affects them personally will get them to realize there might be a problem with the patent system.

      And there is no way a forced recall would ever happen or work, but preventing future sales will still cause an uproar I would think.

    2. Re:This is actually a Good Thing(tm) by saitoh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly." -- Abraham Lincoln

      always wondered how well that would work...

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  4. Treo is killing it anyway by greenmars · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't matter -- the Treo 650 is killing the Blackberry anyway. Once I found I could manage my servers with PalmVNC on the Treo, that was it for me.

    1. Re:Treo is killing it anyway by Zro+Point+Two · · Score: 4, Informative

      * An OS you can install things into
      What kind of things can't you install on the BlackBerry OS? Just about any Java app I have run across has been able to be installed.

      * Camera (not useful for everyone, I know)
      * Movie camera (ditto)

      Part of the reason some reporters like it is that it doesn't have a camera and therefore can be taken into courtrooms when they are not allowing cameraphones into the courtroom.

      * Real web browser that does some Javascript and SSL
      The BlackBerry browser supports some Javascript, SSL, and WTL.

      * MP3 Player (you'd be surprised at the number of Wall Street types who don't have an iPod and use their phone instead)
      I still havn't thought of a use for an MP3 player on a phone for me, so I'm going to leave this.

      * Bluetooth (though the newer BBs have this too)
      I will admit that this Bluetooth is just for voice, and if I recall correctly, the Treo is Data also.

      * Hotsync with more than just Exchange!
      UHHHHH....have you even seen the list of supported PIM applications for the BlackBerry? Just as extensive as any of the Palms...because it's made by the same company that makes the sync software for the Palm. Outlook, Outlook Express, Act!, Notes, GroupWise, ASCII (csv), Netscape, and Lotus Organizer.
      Or are you speaking of servers? How about itegration with Exchange, GroupWise, and Domino? All three major platforms for business communication (not counting POP servers). And that's FULL integration with those, not just getting email from them. But if you just wanna do POP into the mailbox, that's supported by the web client...so is Outlook Web Access, iNotes, POP, IMAP, AOL, Hotmail, etc.

      * Wireless hotsync!
      This is also available, but granted, it does take a BlackBerry Enterprise Server running 4.0 software and the BlackBerry has to be on OS 4.0

      * SD card slot
      I'm glad it doesn't have an SD slot. It would be too easy to pull the SD card out of a BlackBerry and therefore steal all my information. Which brings up the point of security...and how the BlackBerry was built with secuity in mind.

      * Software to open Office documents
      Word doc's...check. Excell spreadsheets...check. jpg, gif, png, tiff...check. PDF's...check. HTML...check. TXT...check. What kind of office documents are you talking?

      * More games than you can shake a stick at
      There are lots of games for the BlackBerry, and probably any game for a cell phone can be installed over the air onto a BlackBerry...as long as it's a midlet game. But there are also a couple of game only developer sites for the BlackBerry. But then again, this is a business tool, not a gameboy.

      * VNC, SSH, SMS, MMS, IM
      SMS...check. MMS...check. IM...Check (and more being added). SSH...with the right software...check. VNC...Not sure, but I believe there is a VNC viewer available.

      * VPN Clients! (Mergic, for instance)
      Not really needed on the BlakcBerry...cause you are able to browse your intranet on the BlackBerry with just the regular BlackBerry browser.

      Sometimes, it's good to do some research first.

      The thing that the BlackBerry does, and does better than anyone...secure email integration. I'd like to see someone sniff one of my emails out of the air. Native 3DES encryption, and AES encryption coming available. Let's not forget the nice S/MIME encryption that is available for Enterprise users.

      What else would you like me to educate you on about the BlackBerry?

      And just so that no one thinks differently, I am not saying the BlackBerry is better than the Treo (aside from a secuity standpoint)...I think they both have their market. I just don't want anyone thinking that because this guy didn't do his research, they shouldn't either.

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      "I come from Canada...they say I'm slow....eh?"
  5. Upper middle managers weep with despair by gelfling · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because clearly, Blackberries only exist so that your bosses boss can send you an email with a sig at the bottom that says "sent from Mr. Big's Blackberry (while rolling down the hgwy in his Z4).

  6. snuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    part of the problem is, RIM got the patent office to reexamine 8 of NTP's patents regarding the technology, and so far the PTO has come out with rejections on each proceeding they've done.

    this adds a layer of complication to the infringement case, as no doubt some part of the deal rested on the outcome of those proceedings.

  7. No suprise there. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The company I work at recently yanked all blackberry devices and replaced them with Treo 600 and treo 650's.

    the fact that you dont need any "special" software to access email and has the capability of viewing doc and excel attachments was the death spike for the blackberry here at this company.

    and honestly, the treo's have much better sounding audio for phone calls than even the latest blackberry's did.

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  8. Re:good by Quasar1999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well Tom, in the real world, you need to have the ability to work under pressure. You need to be a well rounded person that can admit that you don't know everything.

    That's what the RIM interview is meant to test, along with technical knowledge, they want to know if you are actually capable of working in the real world. You could be a genius in your specific area, but if you don't listen to your supervisor simply because he's not as specialised as you are, then you would be a useless employee.

    I used to work at RIM (back when they only owned 2 buildings). They are not a bunch of smartass punks, they're a bunch of intelligent people looking to hire other people who are intelligent and not smartasses such as yourself (I'm basing this on your own admission to your behaviour in the interview, if you say that to the interviewer, what will you say to your boss?). A few words of advice, if you think you're all that, and RIM's interview process upset you, I wouldn't recommend applying to Microsoft or Google, or any big tech company... they make everyone do puzzles... and not every interviewer is as specialised as you are, that's why they're looking for someone with those skills. But I guess that would have required some sort of thought process outside of crypto-math to figure out... my bad...

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  9. Why not give us a choice by tcoady · · Score: 4, Informative

    instead of "yadda yadda" each time you link to NYT. Like this:
    http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8& q=ntp+rim

  10. Patent Details by lazarus · · Score: 4, Informative
    I found a copy of the original August 5, 2003 ruling here (pdf).

    According to this court document, the infrigments concern:

    • Claims 15, 32, 34 of #5,436,960
    • Claim 8 of #5,625,670
    • Claim 199 of #5,819,172
    • Claims 28, 248, 309, 313, 317 of #6,067,451
    • Claims 40, 150, 278, 653, 654 of #6,317,592
    These patents can be found here:

    5,436,960
    5,625,670
    5,819,172
    6,067,451
    6,317,592

    These patents look to me like they would cover just about every PDA and cell phone on the planet today. Is RIM a target because of their popularity?

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  11. The New Business Model by DrWho520 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Dream up and outlandish idea you have no clue how to implement and patent in obscure wording
    2. Go into coporate hybernation and wait until someone much smarter implements idea.
    3. Sue smarter company for all their hardwork and ingenuity.
    4. Profit!!!


    I hate parasites.

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  12. Sad Sad Sad by Rac3r5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a very very sad case.

    Why in the world is a company like NTP even allowed to exist. Why are ppl given patents before even coming up with a product.

    I think what NTP has done/is currently doing is very wrong. Why should a company like NTP that just dreams up ideas and does nothing to actually develop them being given patents? They do very little to foster innovation. They do very little to employ people. They pretty much do jack diddly squat.

    This is wrong in so many ways.
    There are 3 other parties that are also responsible for the BS. The patent office that actually gave them the patent (flawed patent system), the corrupt law firm representing the case, and the Judge who ruled on this case and cannot see right from wrong.

  13. Do no evil... by luchaugh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm originally from Waterloo, Ontario, where RIM is located. They've grown at an incredible rate in recent years, but not in an "we'll eat your soul" kind of way. They've reinvested strongly in the community, and have donated a TON of cash to charity and other ventures. For example, the founder of RIM donated $100M to found The Perimeter Institute, a theoretical physics center where researchers and eggheads can basically sit around and think about cool stuff without worrying about budgetary or governmental pressures. A lot of what I see from RIM reminds me very much of Google. Become an industry leader, and STAY an industry leader for the right reasons. This story makes me somewhat sad, as the company suing them appears to have been "created" specifically for this reason, and they don't actually create anything that benefits anyone, except lawsuits that benefit themselves.
    Perimeter Institute can be found here:
    http://www.perimeterinstitute.com/index.php?lang=e n/
    If you're ever in Waterloo, I suggest you check it out. One of the coolest buildings I've ever seen.

  14. Re:good by po8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is this insightful? I'm a Ph.D. computer scientist with more than 20 years computing experience in a variety of areas. I have a long list of employers who will talk glowingly about my problem-solving skills. If RIM or Google or Microsoft or whoever tried to give me a puzzle-solving test in a job interview at this point in my career, I'd walk out.

    One of my closest friends walked out of Sequent on this basis some years ago. He's now one of the most successful (and employable) computer people in the industry. As for Sequent...dead dead dead. Speaking of which, how is RIM doing these days?

    Puzzle-solving tests in interviews may be appropriate for folks who haven't already solidly demonstrated their problem-solving skills in their application domain in some other way. For the rest of us, IMHO it's really a bit insulting; on the order of a hazing exercise. A certain class of manager will predictably reject folks who are unwilling to be hazed. I don't have much interest in working for those folks.