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70th Anniversary FM Commemorative Broadcast

Anonym1ty writes "A special commemorative FM broadcast Saturday, June 11, at noon (EDT) will mark the 70th anniversary of Edwin H. Armstrong's first public demonstration of wideband frequency modulation (FM). The transmission, from Experimental Station WA2XMN (reminiscent of Armstrong's W2XMN call sign) will be on Armstrong's original 42.8 MHz frequency and will emanate from his landmark 400-foot Alpine Tower in NJ. The program will tell the tale of FM's difficult birth, as well as its impact on present-day communications and will include excerpts from a recording of a 1941 test broadcast of the New England Yankee Network. For those unable to receive 42.8 MHz FM, the broadcast is being retransmitted by WFDU-FM on 89.1 MHz and via the Web. Rebroadcasts will take place June 14 and 16 at 7 PM (EDT)"

109 comments

  1. Clear channel by cataclyst · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good thing that FM radio has been used for so much good since then. 70 years later, and half the stations play the same 5 songs, over and over and over...

    Wonder if he saw that coming...

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    1. Re:Clear channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep...
      "More Than A Feeling", Boston
      "Stairway To Heaven", Led Zeppelin
      "Dream On", Aerosmith
      "Baba O'Reilley", The Who
      "Bat Out Of Hell", Meat Loaf

  2. Also available by Chowser · · Score: 1

    Also available to everyone via immediate download via BitTorrent

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  3. Radio by treff89 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hasn't radio been one of _the_ most important inventions of all-time? We use it for everything now: 802.11x, microwaves, television, some Internet... lots of stuff to do with digital. :P It's been so incredibly useful that it's actually quite a nostalgic event that's about to take place.

    1. Re:Radio by cataclyst · · Score: 2, Informative

      I dunno about FM's role, however.. not all RF waves are Frequency Modulated.... [like AM, for example]

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    2. Re:Radio by insignificant1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, FM was and is still important. Popular modulation schemes include both frequency modulation and amplitude modulation, but either is appropriate in different settings.

      One advantage to FM is its relative immunity to certain kinds of noise (often noise is additive, and hence the amplitude is affected directly by noise whereas the frequency is less affected).

      FM is the precursor to (and was at the time) more noise and jam-resistant schemes. The tradeoff is it requires greater bandwidth than AM to transmit a given signal.

      Check out this wikipedia link to find out more about different MODULATION schemes...

    3. Re:Radio by MAdMaxOr · · Score: 1

      Radio waves were not invented, they were predicted by Maxwell and discovered by Hertz.

    4. Re:Radio by connorbd · · Score: 1

      Phase modulation for example -- needed for most digital radio.

  4. Seeing the mention of Marconi in his bio... by SeventyBang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...why does everyone flaunt Marconi when Tesla had voice transmission long before Marconi's public demonstrations were nothing more than Morse?

    1. Re:Seeing the mention of Marconi in his bio... by PornMaster · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I think it's because Marconi was the first to use run-on sentences like yours.

    2. Re:Seeing the mention of Marconi in his bio... by Armadni+General · · Score: 0

      Actually, while that not may be the best sentence in the world, it's far from being a run-on a run on would be something more like this sentence which includes more than one subject-verb thingie without anything to properly link them do you understand what I mean?

    3. Re:Seeing the mention of Marconi in his bio... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

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    4. Re:Seeing the mention of Marconi in his bio... by unitron · · Score: 1

      Betamax was beaten down by the consumer market. VHS had longer tapes and there was more porn available sooner on VHS. It should be replaced on that list by Edwin Howard Armstrong.

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    5. Re:Seeing the mention of Marconi in his bio... by davmoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Now that someone else has given you a useless wise-ass grammar nazi reply, I'll try to give you one that actually answers your (very valid) question.

      Because Marconi knew how to work public relations and his supporters. Its the same reason that Edison gets so much credit when Tesla had more to do with how we use electricty today than Edison ever did.

      For a good example, look at how the Smithsonian treats Marconi and Edison in relation to how they treat Tesla. Then look at the records and see how much money Marconi and Edison supporters and family donate to the Smithsonian.

      Tesla was so busy actually inventing useful things that he didn't have time to work the press. Since Marconi and Edison didn't do all that much themselves, they had plenty of time to "press the flesh".

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    6. Re:Seeing the mention of Marconi in his bio... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many things were stolen from tesla. The problem with most of teslas work is that he didn't patent it, didn't actually make so much of a fuss that it was his. He loved his job and typically all his work was stored in his head. Unfortunately we dont have a device like seen on "Futurama" where we could keep his head alive. (Tesla also knew a way to transmit POWER wirelessly)

    7. Re:Seeing the mention of Marconi in his bio... by bsgk · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Dana Jones: [after Craig punches Deebo out] He thinks he's the Mac...
      Mr. Jones: Hehe. Macaroni.

    8. Re:Seeing the mention of Marconi in his bio... by nametaken · · Score: 1


      So what you're saying is that our PHB's actually are more important than the guys getting their hands dirty?

      Damn, that sucks. :(

    9. Re:Seeing the mention of Marconi in his bio... by grumling · · Score: 1
      So what you're saying is that our PHB's actually are more important than the guys getting their hands dirty?

      No, but the boss gets the credit, the marketing guys get the budget, and the sales guys make all the money. Techies get all the toys

      Welcome to Dick Chaney's America!

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  5. Little Known Fact by kevcol · · Score: 3, Funny

    Armstrong also once was working on a live radio transmitter when his finger touched the bare leads of a capacitor.

    Yes, he was the worlds first FM Shock Jock.

    1. Re:Little Known Fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was marked informative?

      Hey mod: "Whoooooooosh!"

  6. Re:42.8 by PornMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    d00d!!! just underclock your radio, and while you're in there, put in a cold cathode blue light!

  7. for us linux users by xbmodder · · Score: 5, Informative

    To play it via linux:
    mplayer -cache 128 http://64.92.199.76/WFDU-FM
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    1. Re:for us linux users by rsynnott · · Score: 1

      MEncoder will do that.

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    2. Re:for us linux users by nsasch · · Score: 1

      I can get a stream up, but I have a lot of work today (yes, I know, I'm on /.). If you could get me the script that would get a the stream, convert it, and stream it out again for the web, I'll mirror it. Reply to this, or e-mail me with the script if you could.

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  8. AM v. FM by 1967mustangman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think this is particularly cool considering FM almost didn't make it out of infancy. Armstrong worked for RCA and they had so much invested in it that they tried to kill it. He had to pay to put up his own transmitter. RCA even tried running an FM smear and fear campaign. HAHA

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    1. Re:AM v. FM by unitron · · Score: 1
      Armstrong didn't exactly work for RCA, but they certainly worked against him.

      I highly recommend the book Man of High Fidelity: Edwin Howard Armstrong by Lawrence Lessing, if one is fortunate enough to find a copy. (I bought my Bantam Books paperback copy some 30 years ago.)

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  9. Re:42.8 by flynns · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, -you-, anyway. I'll probably just run down to the clubhouse and listen there on the Icom 738. Amateur radio kicks ass. =)

    Sean
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  10. Advantages of AM's susceptibility to interference by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    AM radio's susceptibility to interference makes it fun and useful for "listening" to electronics. For example, an AM radio will let you listen to transmissions on an ethernet cable and tell if it is plugged in and handling traffic. Old programmable calculators make the most interesting sounds as they chug through their calculations. Another plus is that you can hear lightening strikes from a great distance and listen as they approach or recede.

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  11. A Vacuum-tube Radio... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Any company selling a vacuum-tube radio for the 70th anniversary? I always did love the orange glow from the back of the radio console.

    1. Re:A Vacuum-tube Radio... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:A Vacuum-tube Radio... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      It has to be brand new and under warrantry. The last thing I want to do is plug in a 70-year-old radio that goes pop and then search EBay for a spare part that haven't been made in 50 years.

      The local PBS channel had to go cable-only because their transmitter had a 50-year-old vacuum tube that finally gave out. Constructing a brand new vacuum tube would've cost thousands of dollars, and upgrading the tower equipment would've been a lot more. The old technology works great but the replacement cost can be a pain in the butt.

    3. Re:A Vacuum-tube Radio... by SeventyBang · · Score: 1

      I have an old vacuum tube radio. It hasn't been plugged in since forever.

      My MIL was going to throw it out when we were cleaning out her mother's house. Everything is intact, and it's sitting here in the living room, fitting in with the rest of the furniture.

      I've just never come up with the stones to pull the tubes, map their location, dust everything, etc. Everything which needs to be done before I'm willing to plug it in. On top of that, electricity is one of my three phobias. If I ground myself with a bracelet on each wrist, I've been able to zap a board in my Pc. Not consistently, but it happens. I've had friends who know a lot more than I do verify I'm grounded. That means needing help whenever hardware changes have to be made.

  12. Anyone got any idea... by tekiegreg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why we can't listen to 42.8 on a radio anymore? Forgive me but I'm just a radio newb who just has one in his car. Thanks!

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    1. Re:Anyone got any idea... by Junior+Samples · · Score: 1

      You can pick up this frequency with a scanner.

    2. Re:Anyone got any idea... by insignificant1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The way radio works is that your car radio has to "tune" to the frequencies that you are listening to. Tuning means you have a little pure-tone synthesizer in your car that produces pure tones at different frequencies.

      Now the real reason why it doesn't tune that low in frequency is because there is virtually no demand to listen to amateur radio bands. And it costs money to make that synthesizer generate more frequencies than required. So you have to pay more money to tune into those frequencies, in the form of a new purchase, or you have to build your own tuner that will work across all the frequencies you want to listen to.

    3. Re:Anyone got any idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why do people automatically assume that if it is outside the 2 well known broadcast bands that it is amateur radio bands? This is why there has been such a problem with BPL. It seems like most people think that there are the AM broadcast, FM broadcast a handful of TV stations and the rest of the spectrum is in the possesion of the amateurs. Please look at http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.html
      and tell me what 42.8 has to do with amateur radio.

    4. Re:Anyone got any idea... by k4_pacific · · Score: 1

      Yeah, really. It only goes from 88 to 108. I often wondered what kind of great stuff we might be missing on, oh say, 75.

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    5. Re:Anyone got any idea... by rickthewizkid · · Score: 1

      IIRC, 72-76 Mhz is used for low-power short-range communication systems such as hearing aids. Yes, that's right, hearing aids. Ever go to a movie theatre, church, auditorium, etc., that has signs up that tell hard-of-hearing people to "ask for a receiver?" - those systems usually run in the 72-76 band - I'm not sure of the exact channel frequencies - but they are very popular in schools where deaf or hard of hearing students are in school.

      The great thing is, that these systems take the program audio - that is, the movie audio, the teacher's or preacher's voice, etc, directly to a set of headphones, or directly into the user's hearing aids via inductive loops, or direct audio connection, and allow the user to hear the audio without the background noise. Or, if one needed to, say, record a movie from the big-screen using a camcorder, one could take one of these receivers and connect it to the audio-in of the camera. (Of course, not for use to record copyrighted works :) )

      Just my ask-for-a-receiver's-worth
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    6. Re:Anyone got any idea... by insignificant1 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, it's land mobile / government exclusive (in the USA), dunno what that means. But whatever. It is of no use to Sony to make a tuner to work with 42.8 MHz. Thought it was amateur because of the nostalgic broadcast on it; not something I'd expect in other bands.

      And you might have problems with BPL because... well... what is BPL?

    7. Re:Anyone got any idea... by Anssi55 · · Score: 1

      BTW, some people here in Finland complain they can't receive 87.5-88.0 MHz, that has FM public radio transmissions here in Finland. Apparently that is part of FM band, but some radio sets tune only 88+ MHz.

    8. Re:Anyone got any idea... by __aaijsn7246 · · Score: 1

      Funny, I just wrote a report on this for a class.. I'm posting this too late for it to be moderated I think, but I hope someone reads it:

      On June 27, 1945, the FCC moved the FM band to 88-106 MHz. It has originally occupied the 42-50 MHz band. This may appear to be only a small change, but the story behind it is immense. Edwin H. Armstrong had invented frequency modulation in the early 1930s (it was patented in 1933, and his paper, "A Method of Reducing Disturbances in Radio Signal by a System of Frequency Modulation" was presented in New York before the Institute of Radio Engineers on November 6, 1935), and lobbied the FCC for the FM band, which they placed at 42-50 MHz. He formed the Yankee Network, which was his attempt to commercialize his invention and profit from his genius. 40,000 receivers were in use in the northeast United States. According to Armstrong at the time, it would cost $75 million to convert the receivers and the 55 currently operating transmitters to the new frequencies. Sadly, the FCC yielded to Sarnoff and RCA's attempts to move FM's assigned radio spectrum. RCA was more interested in television at the time, and the FCC, to add insult to injury, also allocated them television channels in the 40 MHz range. Armstrong died a broken and penniless man, as he did not even earn royalties for FM, despite the fact that television sound is modulated in FM - he committed suicide in 1954 by jumping from his 13th floor apartment. Time proved his case in the end however, as his wife fought RCA in court, and won a patent battle against them in 1967.

  13. Lawrence Lessig wrote about Armstrong... by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...as part of his book Free Culture (available now if you sign up as a member of the Free Software Foundation. Do it today!). Before you think it's boring, or that things today are completely different from how they ever have been, read:

    As our own common sense tells us, Armstrong had discovered a vastly superior radio technology. But at the time of his invention, Armstrong was working for RCA. RCA was the dominant player in the then dominant AM radio market. By 1935, there were a thousand radio stations across the United States, but the stations in large cities were all owned by a handful of networks.

    ....Armstrong's invention threatened RCA's AM empire, so the company launched a campaign to smother FM radio. While FM may have been a superior technology, Sarnoff was a superior tactician. As one author described, "The forces for FM, largely engineering, could not overcome the weight of strategy devised by the sales, patent, and legal offices to subdue this threat to corporate position. For FM, if allowed to develop unrestrained, posed ... a complete reordering of radio power ... and the eventual overthrow of the carefully restricted AM system on which RCA had grown to power."

    ....Armstrong resisted RCA's efforts. In response, RCA resisted Armstrong's patents. After incorporating FM technology into the emerging standard for television, RCA declared the patents invalid--baselessly, and almost fifteen years after they were issued. It thus refused to pay him royalties. For six years, Armstrong fought an expensive war of litigation to defend the patents. Finally, just as the patents expired, RCA offered a settlement so low that it would not even cover Armstrong's lawyers' fees. Defeated, broken, and now broke, in 1954 Armstrong wrote a short note to his wife and then stepped out of a thirteenthstory window to his death.

    ....This is how the law sometimes works. Not often this tragically, and rarely with heroic drama, but sometimes, this is how it works. From the beginning, government and government agencies have been subject to capture. They are more likely captured when a powerful interest is threatened by either a legal or technical change. That powerful interest too often exerts its influence within the government to get the government to protect it. The rhetoric of this protection is of course always public spirited; the reality is something different. Ideas that were as solid as rock in one age, but that, left to themselves, would crumble in another, are sustained through this subtle corruption of our political process.

    1. Re:Lawrence Lessig wrote about Armstrong... by ndansmith · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I believe that the greatest irony of this story is that Armstrong committed suicide thinking that his invention was a failure.

    2. Re:Lawrence Lessig wrote about Armstrong... by westlake · · Score: 1

      It would be more accurate to say that Sarnoff believed that RCA should focus its energies and resources on the greater prize of television. FM was a distraction, AM paid the bills.

    3. Re:Lawrence Lessig wrote about Armstrong... by unitron · · Score: 1
      If you can find a copy, the story is available in much greater detail in Lawrence Lessing's Man of High Fidelity: Edwin Howard Armstrong.

      Please note that Lawrence Lessing and Lawrence Lessig are not the same person, although in Free Culture Lessig apparently draws heavily on Lessing's book.

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    4. Re:Lawrence Lessig wrote about Armstrong... by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      Hopefully Lessing isn't as ideologically strident as Lessig. The last paragraph of the excerpt made it seem as if the government were a weak and helpless pawn against the raw power and might of RCA. It ignores the fact that neither Armstrong's patent nor RCA's charter could exist without government fiat.

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  14. Letter Imperfect by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    American radio stations register with the FCC, and get a station name of a few letters. West of the Mississippi, stations get an initial "K"; eastern stations get an initial "W". Why those particular letters? Why choose "W", the longest and most difficult letter to say, as a generation of Websters have rediscovered three times over?

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    1. Re:Letter Imperfect by iocat · · Score: 1
      I always heard it was because one of the first stations, like WWJ or something, was sponsored by something that started with a W. It was just an acronym, but it stuck.

      yahoo feels differently, but they don't seem to know any more about it than me.

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    2. Re:Letter Imperfect by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Still searching. BTW, though Yahoo cited an early source for the system of letter assigments, they don't answer why those particular letters were chosen, whenever they originally were. But then, the "answerer" calls the questioner's mistake (that all US radio stations names start with "W") a "semantic" mistake, so I don't expect precision or rigor from them.

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    3. Re:Letter Imperfect by SPY_jmr1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Two seconds on google... http://earlyradiohistory.us/recap.htm

    4. Re:Letter Imperfect by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And 5 minutes reading that history page reveals only

      "I don't know why K and W were chosen for the initial letters, or why the Bureau thought it necessary to split the assignments into two geographic groups"

      And that you either didn't read the question, or the answer, or maybe both. But at least now we all know you don't, which my own Google search did not reveal.

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    5. Re:Letter Imperfect by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      The starting letters for call stations of radios was set by international standards, the US got K and W, why they chose to split it there i dont know

    6. Re:Letter Imperfect by FeriteCore · · Score: 1

      As well as K and W the US also gets N and some of the possibilities starting with A. N and A just don't get used for comercial broadcast stations.

      I've always wondered if US aircraft tail numbers starting with N have somthing to do with using tail numbers for radio call signs.

    7. Re:Letter Imperfect by SPY_jmr1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      *grumble*

      You would be correct.. I didn't read the history page that closely.

      Therefore: "Here is a possible explanation as to how the USA got W and K, no documentation on this but sounds plausible. The USA had unofficially used N for North America (e.g., NBZ, Boston), also A for America. The letter "N" in morse is dah dit, adding a dah to N gives dah dit dah which is "K'. Letter "A" in morse is dit dah, adding a dah to A gives dit dah dah which is "W"."

      source: http://www.ac6v.com/history.htm/

    8. Re:Letter Imperfect by soren42 · · Score: 2, Informative


      Actually, US radio call signs begin with A, W, K, or N. The FCC has decided which service classes may use which call groups (e.g., broadcast stations are only assigned calls starting with W & N).

      The entire alphabet is maintained by the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) and its precursors. The earliest assignment of these call letters to the US dates back to early radio in 1913, and has been maintained ever since.

      73 de N4JCK

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    9. Re:Letter Imperfect by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      That's closer, but not exactly compelling. After all, why add a "dah", not a "dit", especially when it would yield a letter so hard to say? Of course, I can't deny that claimed origin, but it's not distinguishable from a contrivance atop coincidence. The US had a vast fleet, huge territory (needing lots of radio), and a legitimate (Tesla) claim to inventing radio itself. Why couldn't it just choose whichever letters most convenient, instead of one which is the least convenient?

      I'm hoping, by posting in a thread interesting to radio geeks, to get someone who knows the actual answer. And to share it with the rest of us, who are curious. Cold googling is serving neither purpose.

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    10. Re:Letter Imperfect by FeriteCore · · Score: 1

      As somebody with a WD call, I think WD has a nice sound to it. dit-dah-dah, dah-dit-dit. They obviously had me in mind.

      hi.

      I'm also amazed from time to time how many /.ers seem to know a bit of Morse.

    11. Re:Letter Imperfect by guuyuk · · Score: 1

      Probably Westinghouse

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    12. Re:Letter Imperfect by connorbd · · Score: 1

      I've wondered the same thing, though "callsign" has a somewhat different meaning in aviation than in radio.

      Yeah, the US has a rather large chunk of namespace. A and N seem to be mostly used by military and amateur stations -- almost everything else is W and K. Usually if you buy a license for your GMRS walkie-talkies (you did buy a license didn't you?) you get a W callsign.

    13. Re:Letter Imperfect by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Do you know why those letters are the ones available? Specifically "W", which has so much to recommend against it, at least in America.

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    14. Re:Letter Imperfect by Anonym1ty · · Score: 1

      A, K, N & W



      A stands for America



      in morse code it is .-



      K is like an A in morse code with a dah before it -.-



      N is like an A only backwards -.



      W is like an A with a - after it .--



      We have more people (stations) in the US than most other countries, we needed more letters.

      Yup that is why we have A, K, N & W.

    15. Re:Letter Imperfect by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      That's the most plausible explanation I've "heard". Do you have any citations to show its historical accuracy?

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    16. Re:Letter Imperfect by FeriteCore · · Score: 1

      Also, the prefixes are a result of international agreement. Before the agreement hams had calls like 3FG. The holder of 3FG became W3FG afterwards. This implies WARC or its predecessor(s) sat down and devided up the alphabet. Presumably countries had some influance over what they got, so we can assume the US wanted A, K, N and W for some reason.

      Some of the others sort of make sense, G for Great Britan. F for france. Canada gets only some of C.

    17. Re:Letter Imperfect by Anonym1ty · · Score: 1
      That's the most plausible explanation I've "heard". Do you have any citations to show its historical accuracy?

      I have heard it in ham radio theory classes... and read it in books... but I can no longer remember the sources. -But it was from several sources. Should I run accross one of them, i'll try to remember to atleast make a reference to it in wikipedia

  15. Re:Advantages of AM's susceptibility to interferen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I used to love to DX on my Sony ICF-5500W table radio in the 70's. Then moved up to CB, then the linear amp, then amateur radio. Ahhh, the memories......

  16. Legal unlicenced FM transmission by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is possible to transmit FM signals unlicenced, as you can probably find from your iTrip, etc. You can find the regulation on it here: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/lowpwr.html

    1. Re:Legal unlicenced FM transmission by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Only in the US though. In most of the world the itrip is strictly illegal (be careful if you're visiting over here).

  17. Broadcasting on 48.2FM by LordSnooty · · Score: 2

    Will there be a rush on Thomas Salter Crystal Radio sets in the morning amongst the radio ham community? And is 70 really a birthday worth going to town for? 75, or 100, yes. 70?

    1. Re:Broadcasting on 48.2FM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Will there be a rush on Thomas Salter Crystal Radio sets in the morning amongst the radio ham community?

      I don't believe you can listen to FM on a crystal set.

    2. Re:Broadcasting on 48.2FM by connorbd · · Score: 1

      Nope. Crystal sets work by using a diode to rectify an amplitude modulated signal into a baseband soundwave -- it's a little hard to explain, but it basically encodes the frequency shifts in the sound as a change in the "loudness" of the carrier wave.

      FM (frequency modulation) encodes the frequency shifts as, well, frequency shifts. It would be virtually impossible to build a crystal set that works for FM, except for certain restricted forms of FSK (frequency shift keying), which is mostly used for teletype transmissions, and even then it would create a device far too complicated to be worth the effort.

      If you don't understand any of this, look it up in Wikipedia or a book on radio electronics -- it's not that hard to understand, but it does have to be explained in technical terms.

  18. WLW by Deathlizard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe it's just me, but I always thought WLW was a more interesting station.

    500,000 100% modulated watts is a little crazy. you would have to practially feel it on a humid day.

  19. Re:frist psot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll
    Subliminal messages in the blurb?
    "A special commemorative FM broadcast Saturday, [J]une 11, at noon (EDT) w[i]ll mark t[h]e 70th [a]nniversary of E[d]win H. Armstrong's first public demonstration of wideband frequency modulation (FM). The transmission, from Experimental Station WA2XMN (remiscent of Armstrong's W2XMN call sign) will be on Armstrong's original 42.8 MHz frequency and will emanate from his landmark 400-foot Alpine Tower in N[J]. The program w[i]ll tell t[h]e t[a]le of FM's [d]ifficult birth as well as the its impact on present-day communications andwill include excerpts from a recording of a 1941 test broadcast of the New England Yankee Network. For those unable to receive 42.8 MHz FM, the broadcast is being retransmitted by WFDU-FM on 89.1 MHz and via the Web. Rebroadcasts will take place June 14 and 16 at 7 PM (EDT)"
    /tinfoil
  20. Re:42.8 by rsynnott · · Score: 1

    The Internet transmission will, of course, also be through frequency modulation; you will be required to ping a particular server and make a signal curve from the resulting ping values (this could actually work as a really dodgy multicasting mechansim ;) )

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  21. Re:frist psot by rsynnott · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Can't they just round these people who sell "miraculous" objects on ebay up and execute them, or something?

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  22. 42.8 MHz is not in a ham band.. by the_rajah · · Score: 2, Informative

    It was actually an FM radio band back before FM broadcasting got moved up to 88-108 MHz. Now it's part of the public service band, as in police, utility companies, forest rangers, etc.

    As was pointed out above, most scanner radios will receive that frequency just fine.

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    1. Re:42.8 MHz is not in a ham band.. by connorbd · · Score: 1

      There was also a certain element of the AM establishment trying to quash FM -- RCA, I believe, but I don't remember for certain. The frequency shift obsoleted a lot of radios, and I think that particular swatch of low VHF was reallocated to television. It set FM back for years, which was having troubles enough because the owners of FM stations insisted on having them simulcast AM programming instead of doing original programming.

      I suspect commercial FM radio wouldn't really be viable without stereo as well -- probably the radio world's biggest killer app until WiFi.

  23. To celebrate - close down the FCC by argoff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm serious. While FM is nice, there are a lot of new technologies that permit digital communications over multiple frequencies (or even multiple directions on the same frequency) that are simply better than FM and and are held back for no other reason than cumbersome regulations and the notion that frequencies should be disected into chuncks of teritory like property. Property is about things that have real natural limits in supply and demand, not about things that have regulatory limits simply for the sake of locking in an industry and a particular technology.

    1. Re:To celebrate - close down the FCC by unitron · · Score: 1
      "Property is about things that have real natural limits in supply and demand..."

      And the FCC was created because the airwaves are subject to those limits and somebody had to decide how to share them. Spectrum is like land, they aren't making any more of it.

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    2. Re:To celebrate - close down the FCC by connorbd · · Score: 3, Informative

      The only way to accomplish this would be to rebuild the entire radio communications system from the ground up, and not allow anyone to use anything else. That is so not going to happen -- the problem is akin to tearing down a city and rebuilding it from the subterranean level up. It's not that it isn't possible -- it's just that it would cost so much money and displace so many people that there's no reason on earth why anyone should think it a good idea. (The few cases where such a thing is possible -- postwar Germany, Kabul, Beirut, Nero's Rome, Banda Aceh -- it's been because of war or natural devastation.)

      People who make this assertion don't really understand the nature of radio waves. You can't simply switch everyone over to a 5GHz spread spectrum scheme -- the propagation characteristics are very different at 1100 KHz, 25 MHz, 100 MHz, 460 MHz, 900 MHz, and 2.4 GHz (to take a half dozen frequencies in commonly used areas). The regions above about 6 GHz are pretty much useless for anything but short-range communication, satellite communication, and radar, while the CB bands at 27 MHz are superbly unsuitable for their intended purpose because they're potentially capable of worldwide propagation given proper ionosphere conditions.

      If you want an idea of what an unregulated radio world, look at a shortwave guide and see what the US offers. How many of them aren't religious broadcasters? How many of them broadcast far-right tripe? Look at the CB bands and see what kind of crap goes on there, in a 40-channel swatch that the FCC gave up on enforcing years ago. Eventually you'd have nothing but a vast swatch of radio anarchy, with jammers, rednecks, and general troublemakers shouting down anyone they don't like.

      Or you could just google the callsign KG6IRO or name Jack Gerritsen and find out why that fellow recently went to jail for what he did with his ham radio equipment. Talk all you want about the nobility of your cause and giving the airwaves back to the people, but if there was such a thing as radio anarchy, there'd be a lot more douchebags like Gerritsen out there.

    3. Re:To celebrate - close down the FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, shut down the FCC! I've been itching for a chance to play with my eight foot high spark-gap transmitter. It's a little noisy, but so what? It's my right to use the airwaves, and I don't care if it fucks up your radio or television!

  24. FM Radios? by duncan · · Score: 1

    People still have them? I thought they went out years ago once satellite radios came into being.

  25. Numa Numa Dance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  26. ITU prefix list by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 1

    Here's the whole list, if anyone is interested.

  27. How likely are we to pick up the transmission? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a scanner capable of picking up 42.8 MHz, but I live nowhere near New Jersey. Will there be an effort to repeat the signal around the country, or should I just sleep in tomorrow?

    1. Re:How likely are we to pick up the transmission? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you should fuck off and die tomorrow.

    2. Re:How likely are we to pick up the transmission? by flynns · · Score: 1

      Odds are sleep in, depending on how far that is.

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  28. Not radios, but hi-fi amplifiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tube radios are relics of the past. Vacuum tubes live on, however, in guitar and hi-fi amps. Several manufacturers build highly acclaimed hi-fi amplifiers, such as:

    www.manleylabs.com
    www.divertech.com/antiquesl. html
    www.jolida.com

    They meet your requirements of having a warranty and using current production tubes (such as Sovtek brand tubes, made by New Sensor in Russia).

  29. an early h4rdw4r3 h4x0r by nander25 · · Score: 1

    Anyone else notice 1337 engraved at the top of his transmitter building?

  30. See? by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Interesting

    FTA:
    Throughout the 1940s he continued to lose money on promoting FM radio, fighting protracted patent litigation, and attempting to ward off regulatory attempts. He desperately craved recognition, bringing lawsuits and writing letters to the editor in an effort to demonstrate his accomplishments. Colleagues recognized his brilliance but viewed his desire for glory as obsessive and unnatural. Ill and despondent, in 1954 Armstrong put on his evening coat, hat, and gloves, and stepped out the window of his thirteenth-floor Manhattan apartment.

    THIS is what IP law will get you.

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  31. Re:42.8 by dmadole · · Score: 1

    Well, -you-, anyway. I'll probably just run down to the clubhouse and listen there on the Icom 738. Amateur radio kicks ass.

    I'm curious how you think you are going to pick up a 250W broadcast on 42.8Mhz originating in New Jersey when you are on the gulf coast?

    Amateur radio doesn't kick that much ass. Of course, 42.8Mhz isn't an amateur radio frequency anyway.

  32. Radio? Isn't that just like the Internet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but without the good music?

  33. TRS-80 by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1
    In the late 1970's, back before someone figured out how to get the TRS-80 to generate sound through its cassette port, a few people experimented with AM interference for sound creation.

    I remember my dad's excitement as he finished typing in a BASIC program from 80 Micro (or similar mag) and held a transistor radio near the comp to listen to it groan out "Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue."

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  34. "I'm the operator of my pocket calculator" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Kraftwerk song has the tones made by a calculator on an AM radio. It was considered very avant-garde in 1975.

    1. Re:"I'm the operator of my pocket calculator" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No! That song featured a Casio FX-501b pocket calculator. I had one. Amazing little thing; it even had a programmable ADSR.

      And, of course, by pressing down a special key it played a little melody.

  35. Re:Advantages of AM's susceptibility to interferen by AnimeFreak · · Score: 1

    What frequencies would one have to listen to to hear data going through ethernet cable?

  36. Re:42.8 by flynns · · Score: 1

    This is true, but the ICOM 738 can pick up that frequency. Also, depending on the sporadic-E conditions that evening, I may well actually be able to hear it.

    This map:: http://home.cogeco.ca/~dxinfo/tropo.html :: helps ...actually, on second read, we'll be in the middle of a hurricane/tropical storm. I'll be lucky if I'm dry; in fact, I'll probably be out in it.

    plus, it's FM, which doesn't transmit well over long distances. On the THIRD bad-situation hand, it really SUCKS because the TS/Hurricane makes propagation conditions SUCK.

    Amateur radio IS cool, though :D If you wanna actually seriously hear about why it is, just comment back, I suppose.

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  37. In Germany by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 1

    Old radios in Germany were perfectly capable of tuning way under 88. They only had some mechanical lock that prevented listeners from tuning that fare. By removing the lock as a kid I could listen to police car transmissions :)

  38. commemorative FM broadcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh how sweet, now isn't that just special. I will be sure to listen in...

  39. Re:Advantages of AM's susceptibility to interferen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I took the same route and have a General Class license, but I find Amateur Radio to be VERY BORING and most Hams are jerks. I'll bet I've had less than 10 QSOs since in the past 7 years!

    The only reason I don't sell my transciever is to listen to the occasional shortwave broadcast, or use it on CB when I'm traveling.