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Video Reactions to Apple's Intel Switch

Posted by timothy on from the like-omigod dept.

Drew Mylrea writes "Here is a video of the reaction to the switch from Mac users at WWDC (small version). Has a somewhat revealing interview with Apple VP Phil Schiller regarding PC users putting OS X on generic PCs, and sums up the overall reaction to the news.(Requires QT 7.)"

102 comments

  1. Hair that looks like you just rolled out of bed: by BandwidthHog · · Score: 3, Funny

    Courtesy of App-- err, marijuana.

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  2. OMFGWTFIntel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh wait, this changes nothing.

  3. Video on /. by ike6116 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why not put up a torrent, save your server and your bandwidth?

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    1. Re:Video on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because torrents are a fucking pain in the ass, that's why. I don't know where this "torrent" bandwagon got started, but it fucking needs to stop.

      To download something with Bit Torrent: 1. Download a file. 2. Go download a third-party application to open that file. 3. Discover that the third-party application sucks; find an alternative that doesn't. 4. Open the file, find that it doesn't work because you have to fuck with your firewall. 5. Fuck with your firewall. 6. Try again, discover that it takes an hour to download a file that should have come down in 30 seconds. 7. Get an ugly letter from your ISP telling you to stop pirating.

      Without Bit Torrent: 1. Click the link. Movie plays in browser window. 2. There is no 2.

  4. Every day? by reklusband · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I was starting to think that there weren't any new Apple posts that were going to come out, then the big switch happened. Are we going to have to deal with some minutia being revealed as big news EVERYDAY until the new line is released? I can't deal with a year of B&W g3 to atx mods being touted as a mac\pc crossover. Please could we get some NEWS?

    1. Re:Every day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, redundant! Somehow my post was modded redundant when I was the first to say it. OOOOOHHHHH He said somefing bad about apple fanatics....ooooohhhhhhhhh. Come ON PEOPLE. THIS IS NOT NEWS!!!

  5. Just got done watching by ike6116 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The video was well done, but really lacking actual information. Textbook example of a video blog. Video Reactions? I was expecting to see some interviews with _DEVELOPERS_ so we could get some insight about the thoughts of people that matter.

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    1. Re:Just got done watching by shatfield · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The video was well done, but really lacking actual information.

      I think that was the point -- so was the WWDC!

      64bit? Dunno.
      Comparable speed? Dunno.

      Steve should have been more forthcoming.

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    2. Re:Just got done watching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The video was technically well done, but those kids need an editor in the worst way. Nice GarageBand soundtrack, though.

      And to the guy who said that WWDC wasn't information-packed, you must not have been there. The keynote address was the beginning, not the end. There were sessions chock full of detail that developers aren't allowed to talk about because of the developer NDA.

    3. Re:Just got done watching by Drakino · · Score: 1

      "Steve should have been more forthcoming."

      With what? Developers now have access to what they need to release applications for products a year or more away. Apple rarley comments on future products, and this is no exception.

      Comparable speed? Hard to say when the chips Apple is likely to use aren't in existance yet. WWDC 2002 didn't have a G5 2.0 system being benchmarked against a G4 1.42. Only once WWDC 2003 came around and the G5s were nearly ready to ship did they comment on speed.

    4. Re:Just got done watching by big+daddy+kane · · Score: 1

      that way they also avoid making false promises, which can really fuck up your street cred.

  6. It's a joke. by Lennavan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That movie is a joke, it's not actual news reporting. How this made /. is beyond me. Anyone else notice it's from macteens?

    1. Re:It's a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, i agree. that was gay. and no transcript either.

    2. Re:It's a joke. by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      I remember they asked a director about a protest at Cannes movie festival, some cheered, some booed. Political stuff.

      They asked him "It didn't bother you?", he said "It could be a problem if everyone cheered or everyone booed, both ways it means something is definitely wrong"

      Of course his grammar doesn't suck that much :) I am telling the point he made.

    3. Re:It's a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That movie is a joke, it's not actual news reporting. How this made /. is beyond me. Anyone else notice it's from macteens?

      I have to agree. On the other hand, these macteens will probably live out their dreams to create meaningless but well produced content for MTV.

  7. University... by Seoulstriker · · Score: 2, Funny

    Universtiy connection. Your tax dollars at work.

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    1. Re:University... by Impotent_Emperor · · Score: 1

      Not if it's a private university. Then you're just screwing the students out of their tuitions.

      Of course, most private universities are for the rich, so fuck them anyway.

    2. Re:University... by Golias · · Score: 1

      Slashdotted at 2:20 AM.

      Looks like the reaction is just a big blue "Q"

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    3. Re:University... by Nasarius · · Score: 1

      Eh? It's UCLA. California taxpayers.

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  8. hrm. by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 1

    Artsy. More funny than anything else.

    I want to know though: who can put some names on that soundtrack?

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    1. Re:hrm. by GeneralAntilles · · Score: 1

      Sounds like Hero to me.

    2. Re:hrm. by obi-1-kenobi · · Score: 1

      The whole movie felt like one big intro...
      Which all led up to a 5 second talk about how people might be able to hack Mac OS X to run on non-Apple Intel machines.

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    3. Re:hrm. by LostSinner · · Score: 1

      The soundtrack is from the movie Liminy Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events

  9. How am I supposed to watch this video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Currently quicktime 7 is only available for macs, so how is anybody on a pc supposed to watch this?

    1. Re:How am I supposed to watch this video? by updatelee · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/preview/

      Its avalible in beta to windows

    2. Re:How am I supposed to watch this video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TIme to switch to Mac - Once you go mac, there's no going back

    3. Re:How am I supposed to watch this video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      how to watch on a pc:

      1) click link to movie
      2) get error saying can't play movie
      3) realize you haven't grabed 7.0 yet
      4) go to apple's site and download 7.0 beta
      5) watch movie that is pointless and then wonder why you did steps 1-4 for that

    4. Re:How am I supposed to watch this video? by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      QT 7 from Apple system requirements:
      233 MHz Intel Pentium class or better processor (oh always a lie)
      At least 128 MB of RAM (ok, a bit swapping)
      Windows 2000 or XP

      Windows 2000 really shipped in year 2000 right? Not like Longhorn story...

      The point I want to make is. If you are a Apple customer running anything less than 10.3.9 (Panther will all updates), you can't watch that Quicktime 7 video.

      Too many zealots out there, hope you understood what I mean without giving more details or commenting.

    5. Re:How am I supposed to watch this video? by Anonymous+Cumshot · · Score: 1

      It works perfectly fine with mplayer on linux :)

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    6. Re:How am I supposed to watch this video? by mylrea · · Score: 1

      there is a quicktime 7 preview on apple.com/quicktime right below the standard Q7 download. It works for PC's.

    7. Re:How am I supposed to watch this video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got kicked out because I'm straight.

  10. Nothing new by nic+barajas · · Score: 1

    It's a nice movie, arguably, except for the overly repetitive "Courtesy of Apple," but it doesn't say anything that nobody's hear before. That Schiller quote is everywhere.

  11. While we're supported small film here... by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 1

    From the same location...

    LOL.

    Weirdos.

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  12. Ok that's quite fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    But it's not informative. I want hard behind-the-scenes SCO0P on what has happened not footage of some kid prancing around drinking coffee.

    Jobs has wiped out every single fucking Mac out there, he has killed the true spirit of Mac in one crushing swift blow. HE leaked the news before hand to soften everyone up a bit.

    We need more DEEEEEP journalism, more insider stuff and less silly shit so that we may get to the truth.

    1. Re:Ok that's quite fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Jobs has wiped out every single fucking Mac out there, he has
      > killed the true spirit of Mac in one crushing swift blow. HE leaked
      > the news before hand to soften everyone up a bit.

      After a braindead comment like the above...

      > We need more DEEEEEP journalism, more insider stuff and less
      > silly shit so that we may get to the truth

      ...your comment about wanting the truth is fucking hilarious.

    2. Re:Ok that's quite fun by Frequency+Domain · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Jobs has wiped out every single fucking Mac out there, he has killed the true spirit of Mac in one crushing swift blow.

      Statements like this are ridiculous. What, your Mac suddenly stopped working after WWDC? You can't browse the web or read e-mail anymore?

      In the mid 90's I had owned a NeXT cube for four years when they announced that they weren't going to build hardware anymore, and that they were porting OpenStep to Intel, HP-PA, and Suns. The impact on me? I got a nice consulting job helping a company set up a bunch of new HP-PA OpenStep machines. When I added an Intel box to my home office network, I used NFS to share the fat binaries from my cube to the new machine, and everything "just worked". As a matter of fact, my old cube still works.

      To me the spirit of Mac is in the design for usability of both the hardware and the OS. It has nothing to do with what CPU is under the hood. I'm amazed at how many people have their knickers in a knot over this.

    3. Re:Ok that's quite fun by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dude,

      I know you feel like Steve just killed your puppy, and I had the same reaction myself... in 1993.

      I loaded up NeXTSTEP on a 486 machine, after getting pissed off over having to actually set a couple of jumper blocks on my SCSI card and motherboard, and fired it up. Once I got the mouse accelleration matched to the way I'd had it on my NeXT slab, and started using the thing, I realized that it was just like my NeXT machine.. But different somehow.. What was it? Oh, yeah! It was FASTER!

      Really, if you're not writing assembly code, the flavor of the CPU in your Mac won't affect you any more than whether you have an ATI or NVidia graphics chip.

      A Mac with an Intel CPU is still a Mac.

      -jcr

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    4. Re:Ok that's quite fun by jcr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a matter of fact, my old cube still works.

      So do my slabs. I still fire one up when I need to use Lotus Improv ;-)

      -jcr

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    5. Re:Ok that's quite fun by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      And if you are?

      Well less platforms = more good says I.

    6. Re:Ok that's quite fun by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      You look like a geek having many computers.

      Try something for me. Watch the h264 videos from Apple site on a 1800 mhz (no need more) desktop running Pentium 4.

      Now watch them on a 1800 Mhz G5.

      Have a nice day, no need to be that optimistic or apple apologist for 2 years.

      I know Steve Jobs is genius, he figured Apple customers just look for design etc, not the CPU or performance really.

      There we go back to 80s arch.

    7. Re:Ok that's quite fun by rufo · · Score: 1

      That's a horrifyingly unfair comparison. The QuickTime 7 Preview for Windows is horribly unoptimized. I can take the Serenity trailer from Apple's website, remux it into a .mp4 file-format and play it using Nero's ShowTime (which plays H.264) at speeds much, much closer to 30FPS (might play back smoother if I weren't playing it over Samba from my Mac). In QT7, my Athlon 64 3200+ and my 1Ghz dual-processor G4 play back at about the same framerate. I'll bet anything once OS X for Intel is officially released QT7 will play HD movies back perfectly fine.

      I can make another horrifyingly unfair comparison too. Take your G5 and try playing an HD movie from Microsoft's website, encoded in WMVHD, using the Mac version of Windows Media Player. It won't play back smoothly, or anywhere close to it. So does that mean your G5 is horrifyingly slow, or that WMP9 for Mac just sucks?

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    8. Re:Ok that's quite fun by novakreo · · Score: 1

      A Mac with an Intel CPU is still a Mac.

      What I'd like to know is what a Mac with a PPC CPU is going to be in a few years' time. I've been seriously considering getting a Powerbook, but if Apple are going to switch to Intel I want to know for how long they're going to keep releasing PPC-compatible binaries, something which I haven't spotted here or on any other site yet.

      Apple on Intel, with dual-booting and all, sounds sweet, but if I could get a guarantee that I can get some reasonable use from a PPC, I won't hold off until next year.

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    9. Re:Ok that's quite fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would expect to see them coming out for a while. I think that Apple ships somewhere between 4 million machines a year, so there is a fair sized base of PPC machines there. Apple isn't about to piss off their installed base (hence Rosetta, which is just an insurance policy against slow developers), and will be keeping the Universal Binary thing going for a while. If anything, I am reassured that porting, at least for Cocoa apps, seems to be fairly painless, if the Mathematica example serves as a model.

      I still plan to go ahead with my plans for a new G5 iMac for my office. If anything, I suspect that sales will drop, and Apple may be forced to trim their prices a bit more (I would expect this for back to school so they can boost their quarterly sales figures), so you might get a better than expected deal on a machine that remain usuable for many years to come.

    10. Re:Ok that's quite fun by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      It maybe surprising to you that quicktime 7 is also awfully coded. Its one of first apps I have seen from Apple shipped _that_ unoptimized.

      Panther users got so mad that they had to ship a 6.5 REinstaller, imagine that!

      Lots of professional apps are also kind of broken.

      About the HD wmedia, it looks like MS shipped a "core image" like patch for nvidia chips which gives lots of work to GPU. (which should be)

    11. Re:Ok that's quite fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Mac with an Intel CPU is still a Mac. ...
      What's that ? Apple employees getting nervous about their jobs ??

      Questions:

      What's an iBook running Linux ? A Mac ?
      A Powerbook running Virtual PC ? A Mac ?
      A PC running a Mac Emulator ? A Mac ?
      What's a Dell with an affixed Apple Sticker ? A Mac ?
      A i386 Apple running Windows ? A Mac ?

    12. Re:Ok that's quite fun by jcr · · Score: 1

      If you are writing assembly code, then yes, you're affected by the CPU. I'll be the first to admit that the PPC architecture is more pleasant than x86 in many ways.

      The things I used to write in assembly language, like convolutions and similar image processing operations, can be done on the GPU today, and written GL Shader Language.

      -jcr

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    13. Re:Ok that's quite fun by jcr · · Score: 1

      What I'd like to know is what a Mac with a PPC CPU is going to be in a few years' time.

      It will be a Mac that runs Leopard, at least. The cutoff tends to be based on the northbridge/southbridge chip set, not the CPU. FWIW, the Blue&White G3 tower can run Tiger, and that's a pretty old machine.

      I've got a 17" PB with a 1.33Ghz processor, and I'll probably get one more before the Intel machines ship. This one can't drive a Cinema HD display at the full resolution.

      -jcr

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    14. Re:Ok that's quite fun by jcr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, Mathematica isn't really a Cocoa app. It's a massive engine that runs on a *lot* of platforms, and Wolfram has been careful to keep it portable.

      For most Cocoa apps, the port does come down to "Check the box, Build it" and you're done. There was quite a list of ported apps in the compatibility lab by the end of Monday, already.

      -jcr

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    15. Re:Ok that's quite fun by linguae · · Score: 1

      The reason why some of us are disappointed is because the Apple was the last bastion of computing that wasn't powered by the x86 platform. Everything else (MIPS, Motorola 68k, ALPHA, HP's PA-RISC) has either been relegated to embedded computing or discontinued, with the SPARC still holding out (but looks like it's in bad shape; I have a feeling that the SPARC will be discontinued within the next few years). The PowerPC, like the other chips that I mentioned, had an elegant design and was quite powerful. I especially liked the PowerMac G5. I am not a huge fan of Intel and the x86 at all; the x86 is an archaic architecture encumbered by decades of backwards-compatibility cruft. I personally don't like Intel that much as a company, either; but that's a post for another topic. My biggest beef with the whole switch to Intel is that, as of June 6, 2005, starting from 2007 there will be no more platform diversity in personal computing. There will be no more choices. Everything will be a x86 computer (either from Intel or AMD), and if your old computer dies out and you don't want to switch to x86, then your computing will be relegated to a game console (where the PowerPC holds strong) or some other embedded computer.

      Oh well. But hey, this is the perfect opportunity to buy a PowerPC Mac while they still exist. If I had the money, I'd buy a NeXT box (I always lusted for them) and a PowerMac G5. I know that when Apple switches to Intel, they will still sell Macs with OS X, and they will still be nice looking, and I know that there is more to the Mac than the PPC. However, the feeling of buying a computer with a completely different architecture and "sticking it to the Dark Side" (Intel/Microsoft) will be gone. You can't avoid "the Dark Side" anymore. And that's why a lot of people have "their knickers in a knot over this." And I'm not even a Mac user (although I have lusted over them for about a year or so).

    16. Re:Ok that's quite fun by rjrjr · · Score: 1

      Friend: http://www.quantrix.com/

    17. Re:Ok that's quite fun by Mocenigo · · Score: 1
      Try something for me. Watch the h264 videos from Apple site on a 1800 mhz (no need more) desktop running Pentium 4.

      Now watch them on a 1800 Mhz G5.

      I watch them without problems on my 1.5 Ghz Alu Powerbook.

    18. Re:Ok that's quite fun by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Eh, its what I tried to mean. When real coders code, Mhz becomes more highly irrelevant.

      Oh whatever, he decided.

    19. Re:Ok that's quite fun by jcr · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know about Quantrix, but I still prefer Improv. Java UI, even when it attempts to conform to the Aqua style, just doesn't do it for me.

      -jcr

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  13. Where's ASOT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's As Seen On TV during all this? Did he get taken out and shot?

    1. Re:Where's ASOT? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Where's As Seen On TV during all this?

      No kidding.
      Are they going to have those hideous "intel inside" stickers? To me that's got all the class of a car with TURBO written on the side. Might as well put a spoiler on the damn thing.

    2. Re:Where's ASOT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know who ASOT is. He was running some of the sessions at WWDC. You could totally tell it was him. It was so obvious.

      So of course he's not gonna be posting. He had a busy week.

    3. Re:Where's ASOT? by jcr · · Score: 1

      Are they going to have those hideous "intel inside" stickers?

      Of course not. Apple's all about the Apple brand, not the Intel brand.

      -jcr

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    4. Re:Where's ASOT? by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      So Intel jacks up the prices for the processors.

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    5. Re:Where's ASOT? by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      If it happens lets hope those stickers are gold plated.

      Since Apple will have no problem selling same parts %30 more expensive to such a community.

      While even non geeks are moving to AMD 64 for games, performance, we leave PowerPC G5 processor for Intel so Apple's pipe dream of racing with Dell happens.

      The day Apple ships a $500 'real" PC, Dell will ship same configuration or even better for $400. We will even hear their already funny price for XP license will fall to more funny levels.

      Lets bet :)

  14. Movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Videos of Apple zealots? Move along, nothing to see here.

  15. The real story here.. by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 2, Funny

    ..is how this guy's server is still maxing out my bandwidth while downloading the video, and yet we're more than two posts into the thread. Bravo!

  16. Come on, you did that on purpose ... by WCityMike · · Score: 1

    I'm sure the University of California Los Angeles just loves the direct link to a 30 MB file ...

    1. Re:Come on, you did that on purpose ... by jpmkm · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they have more bandwidth than god and I'm sure its either free or deeply discounted.

    2. Re:Come on, you did that on purpose ... by freedom_india · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yup. ! UCAL has more bandwidth than many others combined. To UCAL this 30 MB file is like one mosquito prick per day.

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    3. Re:Come on, you did that on purpose ... by Anubis350 · · Score: 2, Funny

      what does not kill you makes you stronger.... or so says conan :-P

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  17. Lame... by halo1982 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was hoping it was a bunch of apple fans going WHAT THE FUCK. No such luck. Just some lame video with a mac geek.

    1. Re:Lame... by antdude · · Score: 1

      I agree. It was dumb.

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    2. Re:Lame... by jcr · · Score: 1

      Well, sorry to disappoint you, but there really wasn't any wailing and gnashing of teeth, either at WWDC or a few blocks away at the Apple Store.

      What this means to Cocoa developers is a day or so of work, (and in many cases, not even that), and for Carbon developers, it means that they'll have to get off of CodeWarrior, and fix any endian dependencies in their code.

      -jcr

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    3. Re:Lame... by Snocone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... and figure out how they're going to deal with the PowerPlant EULA which forbids distribution of applications compiled with any tool other than CodeWarrior.

      Bit of a sticky wicket, that.

    4. Re:Lame... by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Speaking about lameness, I was banned from a relatively quality mac channel on a relatively elite network (full of developers) for defending PPC against Intel, yes right now! not in 2007 or something.

      Man that is sign of a "cult", "our mighty leader decided" type stuff. not good.

    5. Re:Lame... by jcr · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the perfect opportunity to move off of powerplant, either to the Carbon HIToolbox, or to Cocoa.

      -jcr

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  18. Better transcription? by argent · · Score: 1

    It seems to be a slightly different statement: "We're not going to enable Mac OS 10 to run on machines other than Apple Macintoshes". The other quotes I've seen have said "allow". The rest of the exchange was garbled, can someone make out exactly what was said?

    Question: "So you're not [considering?] [something] a hack [unintelligable]"
    Answer: "*shrug* Who knows what the future holds, what people won't do, but that's how they're [working on it?]."

  19. Can't view with QuickTime Alternative? by antdude · · Score: 1

    I am using QuickTime ALternative v1.47 and the videos don't play in it. :(

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    1. Re:Can't view with QuickTime Alternative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't work in Windows Media Player either. What the fuck!?!?!!?

    2. Re:Can't view with QuickTime Alternative? by lw54 · · Score: 1

      Don't feel bad. I can't view it using QuickTime 6.5.1 either..

  20. "NOOOOOOOO!" by Nova+Express · · Score: 4, Funny
    I must admit, I was highly amused when Darth Vader threw back his head and yelled "NOOOOOOOOO!" at the Intel announcement. However, I was surprised, since I'd always pegged him as a Windows user (you know, one Eil Empire deserves another...)

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  21. pointless.freaking.movie by joetheappleguy · · Score: 1
    Looks like someone's Film School project.

    You get about as much info out of it as the average Film School project too.

    Favorite quote, delivered by the pot head looking dude:

    Apple is rumored to release some gigantic news that could change the outcome of the Apple community

    The Apple community is now an event...?

    Download it to see how nice H.264 looks and a rare glimpse at one of the P4 powered PowerMacs. I like that song too, isn't that off of the Lemony Snicket movie?
  22. Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else suprised at the total lack of substance in this video?

  23. The Original Trilogy DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Original Trilogy was remastered for their DVD release on.... yep, you guessed it: Macs.

  24. Got it to work! by antdude · · Score: 3, Informative

    It looks like the videos require 7.0 codec. It was a clue from VideoLAN Client's crash message. I upgraded QuickTime Alternative to v1.50 beta 1. It worked. :)

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    1. Re:Got it to work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i mean its not like you could've figured that out from the text directly_following the link

  25. Says who?? by Jukashi · · Score: 1

    (Requires QT 7.)
    Yeah, or mplayer 1.0 apparently, on my p4 1.7ghz..

    1. Re:Says who?? by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Can you give your address so we can exchange pcs? I have a G5 1600 768mb here.

      From what I understand from Steve Jobs speech, its slower than your P4. I mean, it became, overnight *g*

  26. The only good thing about that POS video by QAChaos · · Score: 2, Funny

    is that it got me to upgrade to QT 7.

    1. Re:The only good thing about that POS video by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Its just another sign Apple ripped off its customers and continues to try.

      There is nothing needing OS level technology (kernel etc) at h264. It could run like ,e.g. Realplayer 8 having that tiny real 10 codec. Also remember, Real doesn't need a OS upgrade to do it. Codec is some kind of inout thing, data comes in, it goes out decompressed, plain (x) fps raw thing.

      Which secret part of kernel does it? heh

      Lets bet 10.5 will run awfully slow on G5 consumer level machines like iMac and people will go out and buy Mactels.

      Its what happens if a hall full of developers, I mean guys at some coding level cheers Steve Jobs like 13 year old kids, without anyone asking "wtf Steve? We all became Altivec geniuses for your CPU".

  27. MORE fun by paulius_g · · Score: 1

    The video editing is excellent. I would just like it to be longer and to show more stuff.

    Also, this page contains more videos. Oh goodness! http://users.design.ucla.edu/~mylrea/blog/

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  28. Gripping Shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I just actually believed all the posts here saying what utter Kyfe this video was, I could have better managed my time by pouring bleach in to my vacant eye sockets!

  29. An interesting piece of social commentary. by CyricZ · · Score: 1

    That's a very interesting piece of group social commentary. You can see the effect of the announcement on literally hundreds of people at once. I don't think I've ever seen such an astounding sight before. You can almost simultaneously see everyone's jaw drop. Literally.

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    1. Re:An interesting piece of social commentary. by carou · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did you post that before watching the video?

    2. Re:An interesting piece of social commentary. by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      No. Did you post that before reading my post?

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  30. What a waste of time. by mh101 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The video quality was very good, most likely due to QT7. But the content was somewhat lacking. I assume the "sums up the overall reaction to the news" part of the summary was referring to the one guy he talked to?

    I was expecting to see some shots of the audience as Steve made the announcement, to see the looks on everyone's faces (or maybe it was there, but too quick for me to notice).

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  31. no news = no subject by mylrea · · Score: 5, Informative

    The video was a response to the lack of content at the WWDC in general. There wasn't much as far as press went, which was why we started with the whole courtesy of Apple thing. I /.ed it because of Phil's response (it seemed fairly obvious that Apple had braced for the fact that there were going to be people running X on their PC's). Hope that clears some things up.

    As for the audience's reaction, I would actually say everyone was already braced for the news, when it hit everyone was ready to hear the plan. What was stunning was the lack of information during the keynote as to what the systems architecture would be like (not even spilling the guts on the OF / BIOS).

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    1. Re:no news = no subject by sidb · · Score: 1

      What was stunning was the lack of information during the keynote...

      That's because it was a keynote. It was a media event, not a technical briefing. That's what all the WWDC sessions for the rest of the week were for. They gave a lot more information in detail on where Apple is going with this, especially the details that are actually practical and relevant to a software developer. Not all the big questions were answered, but a little allowance for the things still being in development and a little common sense can fill in most of the remaining holes.

  32. What is your return policy? by s/nemisis · · Score: 1

    I'd really like that 10 min. of my life back, because that was actually the worst thing i've ever seen.

    gta

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  33. "You were the chosen one!!" by identity0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I liked Obi-wan's reaction, myself...

    "You were the chosen one!! It was said you would destroy the Wintel, not join them!

    You were supposed to bring balance to the Mac, not leave it in darkness! You were my brother Steve! I loved you! But I could not save you."

    It was pretty harsh when Obi-wan cut off Steve's legs and left him on the lava, though.

  34. Whining bastard by empaler · · Score: 1

    Without Bittorrent:
    1. Click the link
    2. Get 404
    3. Whine about the site being down instead

    If your ISP sends you that sort of letters you need to change. What you do with your internet connection is no business of theirs. The 'torrent bandwagon' is here because most people have a BT client anyway - it's not hard to find a simple, reliable client, and this is a nerd site. Not everyone cries "Oh nos!!!!!111oneeleven1!! Technology that I don't like must die!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

  35. While we speak about H264 or hi def video by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

    http://www.wmvhd.com/
    System Requirements

    Because of the processor-intensive requirements of high definition video, you need a powerful Windows XP-based PC to get the best experience.

    Minimal Configuration
    (Play 720p video)
    Microsoft Windows XP
    2.4 GHz processor or equivalent
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    I watch 30fps 720p video via qt 7, h264 codec on G5 (single) 1600

    It was a good choice Steve, real good choice!

  36. v7? How come? by IntergalacticWalrus · · Score: 1

    Funny how it worked flawlessly under mplayer on my Linux box, yet I hear people here saying it required them to upgrade QT to v7. Makes you wonder if:
    1) Apple does a shitty job at correctly supporting their own damn formats
    OR
    2) ffmpeg (the almighty decoding lib under mplayer's hood) comes from TEH FUTURE

  37. no, retard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you even go to WWDC? The OpenFirmware question was never answered. In fact, nothing was really answered about current technologies in future Macs.

  38. Carbon reminds me of when I was bad as a child... by rthille · · Score: 1

    and got spanked...

    "God, please kill it...."

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  39. Re:Carbon reminds me of when I was bad as a child. by jcr · · Score: 1

    Well, Carbon is necessary because Adobe has basically frozen itself in the System 7.5 timeframe. It's not what I would use today (and in fact, it's not what I would use any time after 1989), mostly because I can't afford the size of development team that Adobe or Microsoft has to throw at their Mac apps.

    -jcr

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  40. Re:Carbon reminds me of when I was bad as a child. by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1


    Maybe Intel can be persuaded to help underwrite the cost of moving Adobe's apps to Cocoa...

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