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Video Reactions to Apple's Intel Switch
Drew Mylrea writes "Here is a video of the reaction to the switch from Mac users at WWDC (small version). Has a somewhat revealing interview with Apple VP Phil Schiller regarding PC users putting OS X on generic PCs, and sums up the overall reaction to the news.(Requires QT 7.)"
Courtesy of App-- err, marijuana.
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Oh wait, this changes nothing.
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The video was well done, but really lacking actual information. Textbook example of a video blog. Video Reactions? I was expecting to see some interviews with _DEVELOPERS_ so we could get some insight about the thoughts of people that matter.
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That movie is a joke, it's not actual news reporting. How this made /. is beyond me. Anyone else notice it's from macteens?
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Artsy. More funny than anything else.
I want to know though: who can put some names on that soundtrack?
Direct away from face when opening.
It's a nice movie, arguably, except for the overly repetitive "Courtesy of Apple," but it doesn't say anything that nobody's hear before. That Schiller quote is everywhere.
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/preview/
Its avalible in beta to windows
From the same location...
LOL.
Weirdos.
Direct away from face when opening.
No kidding.
Are they going to have those hideous "intel inside" stickers? To me that's got all the class of a car with TURBO written on the side. Might as well put a spoiler on the damn thing.
..is how this guy's server is still maxing out my bandwidth while downloading the video, and yet we're more than two posts into the thread. Bravo!
I'm sure the University of California Los Angeles just loves the direct link to a 30 MB file ...
I was hoping it was a bunch of apple fans going WHAT THE FUCK. No such luck. Just some lame video with a mac geek.
It seems to be a slightly different statement: "We're not going to enable Mac OS 10 to run on machines other than Apple Macintoshes". The other quotes I've seen have said "allow". The rest of the exchange was garbled, can someone make out exactly what was said?
Question: "So you're not [considering?] [something] a hack [unintelligable]"
Answer: "*shrug* Who knows what the future holds, what people won't do, but that's how they're [working on it?]."
I am using QuickTime ALternative v1.47 and the videos don't play in it. :(
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You get about as much info out of it as the average Film School project too.
Favorite quote, delivered by the pot head looking dude:
The Apple community is now an event...?
Download it to see how nice H.264 looks and a rare glimpse at one of the P4 powered PowerMacs. I like that song too, isn't that off of the Lemony Snicket movie?
It looks like the videos require 7.0 codec. It was a clue from VideoLAN Client's crash message. I upgraded QuickTime Alternative to v1.50 beta 1. It worked. :)
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Statements like this are ridiculous. What, your Mac suddenly stopped working after WWDC? You can't browse the web or read e-mail anymore?
In the mid 90's I had owned a NeXT cube for four years when they announced that they weren't going to build hardware anymore, and that they were porting OpenStep to Intel, HP-PA, and Suns. The impact on me? I got a nice consulting job helping a company set up a bunch of new HP-PA OpenStep machines. When I added an Intel box to my home office network, I used NFS to share the fat binaries from my cube to the new machine, and everything "just worked". As a matter of fact, my old cube still works.
To me the spirit of Mac is in the design for usability of both the hardware and the OS. It has nothing to do with what CPU is under the hood. I'm amazed at how many people have their knickers in a knot over this.
(Requires QT 7.)
Yeah, or mplayer 1.0 apparently, on my p4 1.7ghz..
is that it got me to upgrade to QT 7.
The video editing is excellent. I would just like it to be longer and to show more stuff.
Also, this page contains more videos. Oh goodness! http://users.design.ucla.edu/~mylrea/blog/
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Dude,
I know you feel like Steve just killed your puppy, and I had the same reaction myself... in 1993.
I loaded up NeXTSTEP on a 486 machine, after getting pissed off over having to actually set a couple of jumper blocks on my SCSI card and motherboard, and fired it up. Once I got the mouse accelleration matched to the way I'd had it on my NeXT slab, and started using the thing, I realized that it was just like my NeXT machine.. But different somehow.. What was it? Oh, yeah! It was FASTER!
Really, if you're not writing assembly code, the flavor of the CPU in your Mac won't affect you any more than whether you have an ATI or NVidia graphics chip.
A Mac with an Intel CPU is still a Mac.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Are they going to have those hideous "intel inside" stickers?
Of course not. Apple's all about the Apple brand, not the Intel brand.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
That's a very interesting piece of group social commentary. You can see the effect of the announcement on literally hundreds of people at once. I don't think I've ever seen such an astounding sight before. You can almost simultaneously see everyone's jaw drop. Literally.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
As a matter of fact, my old cube still works.
;-)
So do my slabs. I still fire one up when I need to use Lotus Improv
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
The video quality was very good, most likely due to QT7. But the content was somewhat lacking. I assume the "sums up the overall reaction to the news" part of the summary was referring to the one guy he talked to?
I was expecting to see some shots of the audience as Steve made the announcement, to see the looks on everyone's faces (or maybe it was there, but too quick for me to notice).
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The video was a response to the lack of content at the WWDC in general. There wasn't much as far as press went, which was why we started with the whole courtesy of Apple thing. I /.ed it because of Phil's response (it seemed fairly obvious that Apple had braced for the fact that there were going to be people running X on their PC's). Hope that clears some things up.
As for the audience's reaction, I would actually say everyone was already braced for the news, when it hit everyone was ready to hear the plan. What was stunning was the lack of information during the keynote as to what the systems architecture would be like (not even spilling the guts on the OF / BIOS).
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Drew
And if you are?
Well less platforms = more good says I.
I'd really like that 10 min. of my life back, because that was actually the worst thing i've ever seen.
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I liked Obi-wan's reaction, myself...
"You were the chosen one!! It was said you would destroy the Wintel, not join them!
You were supposed to bring balance to the Mac, not leave it in darkness! You were my brother Steve! I loved you! But I could not save you."
It was pretty harsh when Obi-wan cut off Steve's legs and left him on the lava, though.
So Intel jacks up the prices for the processors.
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
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System Requirements
Because of the processor-intensive requirements of high definition video, you need a powerful Windows XP-based PC to get the best experience.
Minimal Configuration
(Play 720p video)
Microsoft Windows XP
2.4 GHz processor or equivalent
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I watch 30fps 720p video via qt 7, h264 codec on G5 (single) 1600
It was a good choice Steve, real good choice!
You look like a geek having many computers.
Try something for me. Watch the h264 videos from Apple site on a 1800 mhz (no need more) desktop running Pentium 4.
Now watch them on a 1800 Mhz G5.
Have a nice day, no need to be that optimistic or apple apologist for 2 years.
I know Steve Jobs is genius, he figured Apple customers just look for design etc, not the CPU or performance really.
There we go back to 80s arch.
If it happens lets hope those stickers are gold plated.
:)
Since Apple will have no problem selling same parts %30 more expensive to such a community.
While even non geeks are moving to AMD 64 for games, performance, we leave PowerPC G5 processor for Intel so Apple's pipe dream of racing with Dell happens.
The day Apple ships a $500 'real" PC, Dell will ship same configuration or even better for $400. We will even hear their already funny price for XP license will fall to more funny levels.
Lets bet
QT 7 from Apple system requirements:
233 MHz Intel Pentium class or better processor (oh always a lie)
At least 128 MB of RAM (ok, a bit swapping)
Windows 2000 or XP
Windows 2000 really shipped in year 2000 right? Not like Longhorn story...
The point I want to make is. If you are a Apple customer running anything less than 10.3.9 (Panther will all updates), you can't watch that Quicktime 7 video.
Too many zealots out there, hope you understood what I mean without giving more details or commenting.
That's a horrifyingly unfair comparison. The QuickTime 7 Preview for Windows is horribly unoptimized. I can take the Serenity trailer from Apple's website, remux it into a .mp4 file-format and play it using Nero's ShowTime (which plays H.264) at speeds much, much closer to 30FPS (might play back smoother if I weren't playing it over Samba from my Mac). In QT7, my Athlon 64 3200+ and my 1Ghz dual-processor G4 play back at about the same framerate. I'll bet anything once OS X for Intel is officially released QT7 will play HD movies back perfectly fine.
I can make another horrifyingly unfair comparison too. Take your G5 and try playing an HD movie from Microsoft's website, encoded in WMVHD, using the Mac version of Windows Media Player. It won't play back smoothly, or anywhere close to it. So does that mean your G5 is horrifyingly slow, or that WMP9 for Mac just sucks?
My English teacher once told me that two positives don't make a negative. Two words for her: Yeah, right.
A Mac with an Intel CPU is still a Mac.
What I'd like to know is what a Mac with a PPC CPU is going to be in a few years' time. I've been seriously considering getting a Powerbook, but if Apple are going to switch to Intel I want to know for how long they're going to keep releasing PPC-compatible binaries, something which I haven't spotted here or on any other site yet.
Apple on Intel, with dual-booting and all, sounds sweet, but if I could get a guarantee that I can get some reasonable use from a PPC, I won't hold off until next year.
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It maybe surprising to you that quicktime 7 is also awfully coded. Its one of first apps I have seen from Apple shipped _that_ unoptimized.
Panther users got so mad that they had to ship a 6.5 REinstaller, imagine that!
Lots of professional apps are also kind of broken.
About the HD wmedia, it looks like MS shipped a "core image" like patch for nvidia chips which gives lots of work to GPU. (which should be)
Funny how it worked flawlessly under mplayer on my Linux box, yet I hear people here saying it required them to upgrade QT to v7. Makes you wonder if:
1) Apple does a shitty job at correctly supporting their own damn formats
OR
2) ffmpeg (the almighty decoding lib under mplayer's hood) comes from TEH FUTURE
If you are writing assembly code, then yes, you're affected by the CPU. I'll be the first to admit that the PPC architecture is more pleasant than x86 in many ways.
The things I used to write in assembly language, like convolutions and similar image processing operations, can be done on the GPU today, and written GL Shader Language.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
What I'd like to know is what a Mac with a PPC CPU is going to be in a few years' time.
It will be a Mac that runs Leopard, at least. The cutoff tends to be based on the northbridge/southbridge chip set, not the CPU. FWIW, the Blue&White G3 tower can run Tiger, and that's a pretty old machine.
I've got a 17" PB with a 1.33Ghz processor, and I'll probably get one more before the Intel machines ship. This one can't drive a Cinema HD display at the full resolution.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Well, Mathematica isn't really a Cocoa app. It's a massive engine that runs on a *lot* of platforms, and Wolfram has been careful to keep it portable.
For most Cocoa apps, the port does come down to "Check the box, Build it" and you're done. There was quite a list of ported apps in the compatibility lab by the end of Monday, already.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
The reason why some of us are disappointed is because the Apple was the last bastion of computing that wasn't powered by the x86 platform. Everything else (MIPS, Motorola 68k, ALPHA, HP's PA-RISC) has either been relegated to embedded computing or discontinued, with the SPARC still holding out (but looks like it's in bad shape; I have a feeling that the SPARC will be discontinued within the next few years). The PowerPC, like the other chips that I mentioned, had an elegant design and was quite powerful. I especially liked the PowerMac G5. I am not a huge fan of Intel and the x86 at all; the x86 is an archaic architecture encumbered by decades of backwards-compatibility cruft. I personally don't like Intel that much as a company, either; but that's a post for another topic. My biggest beef with the whole switch to Intel is that, as of June 6, 2005, starting from 2007 there will be no more platform diversity in personal computing. There will be no more choices. Everything will be a x86 computer (either from Intel or AMD), and if your old computer dies out and you don't want to switch to x86, then your computing will be relegated to a game console (where the PowerPC holds strong) or some other embedded computer.
Oh well. But hey, this is the perfect opportunity to buy a PowerPC Mac while they still exist. If I had the money, I'd buy a NeXT box (I always lusted for them) and a PowerMac G5. I know that when Apple switches to Intel, they will still sell Macs with OS X, and they will still be nice looking, and I know that there is more to the Mac than the PPC. However, the feeling of buying a computer with a completely different architecture and "sticking it to the Dark Side" (Intel/Microsoft) will be gone. You can't avoid "the Dark Side" anymore. And that's why a lot of people have "their knickers in a knot over this." And I'm not even a Mac user (although I have lusted over them for about a year or so).
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It works perfectly fine with mplayer on linux :)
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Now watch them on a 1800 Mhz G5.
I watch them without problems on my 1.5 Ghz Alu Powerbook.
Eh, its what I tried to mean. When real coders code, Mhz becomes more highly irrelevant.
Oh whatever, he decided.
there is a quicktime 7 preview on apple.com/quicktime right below the standard Q7 download. It works for PC's.
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Well, Carbon is necessary because Adobe has basically frozen itself in the System 7.5 timeframe. It's not what I would use today (and in fact, it's not what I would use any time after 1989), mostly because I can't afford the size of development team that Adobe or Microsoft has to throw at their Mac apps.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Yeah, I know about Quantrix, but I still prefer Improv. Java UI, even when it attempts to conform to the Aqua style, just doesn't do it for me.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Maybe Intel can be persuaded to help underwrite the cost of moving Adobe's apps to Cocoa...
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