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Spyware Floods in Through BitTorrent

solareagle writes "Public peer-to-peer networks have always been associated with adware program distributions, but BitTorrent, the program created by Bram Cohen to offer a new approach to sharing digital files, has managed to avoid the stigma. Not any more, anti-spyware advocates warn. According to Chris Boyd, a renowned security researcher who runs the VitalSecurity.org nonprofit resource center, the warm and fuzzy world of BitTorrent has been invaded by a massive software distribution campaign linked to New York-based adware purveyor Direct Revenue LLC."

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  1. Oh, the Irony! by rueger · · Score: 5, Funny

    I will admit to being rather conflicted. On one hand, it really irritated me to discover that the app I downloaded (for testing purposes only!) would also install spyware.

    On the other hand who could I complain to? Bittorrent? Adobe? Direct Revenue?

    Yes, once again Slashdot comes to the rescue! Where else can I gripe about companies that try to exploit my illegal activities!

    1. Re:Oh, the Irony! by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 5, Informative


      These spyware programs that use the Registry to spawn renamed multiple copies of the spyware programs are a nightmare to get rid of.

      I had a client last night with the Backdoor.Agent.BA trojan which is incredibly hard to get rid of. There are plenty of varied instructions on the Net on how to detect it and find it, but the problem is deleting the DLL file. You can't delete it from the command line or from Windows - in Safe Mode or not (and of course if it's an NTFS system, DOS can't touch it - Linux with the Captive utility might be able to). Not only that, but the DLL does not EXIST in Safe Mode! It can ONLY be created and accessible during a normal boot - by which time you're screwed.

      The only way to delete it is to get a program called KillBox which will prompt for the filename, set itself to run on reboot before Windows is fully loaded, and then reboot Windows, deleting the file before Windows can lock it down.

      You also have to get into the Registry and delete a key which has an invisible value which is what causes it to recreate itself.

      I get my hands on the asshole who wrote this thing, he's gonna need medical life support for the rest of his life.

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    2. Re:Oh, the Irony! by Fareq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't suppose the spyware was being attached to any linux downloads...

    3. Re:Oh, the Irony! by Cylix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Two points really...

      DOS can delete them if you feel like paying for the NTFS dos drivers which support both read and write. (read is free).

      This kind of thing really strikes me as a virus and why don't more AV programs stop it?

      However, if it is listed as a program adaware cannot remove it will attempt to insert itself as the first program run to clean the system.

      Yeah, it's a nightmare that I've dealt with, but why don't more AV companies recognize it as a virus rather then adware.

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    4. Re:Oh, the Irony! by zerocool^ · · Score: 2, Interesting


      On one hand, it really irritated me to discover that the app I downloaded (for testing purposes only!) would also install spyware.

      It's not just apps - I downloaded a family guy episode, unrared it, and it was an executable. 170 megs of executable, so it was probably the spyware piggybacked onto the data that was the video, but still.

      I mean, I know better, and I almost clicked it. Since the only thing I download anymore is video files, I'm used to them being clean, and I'm used to sites not posting contaminated video files. If the icon hadn't been different, I may have clicked.

      ~Wil

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    5. Re:Oh, the Irony! by Sinus0idal · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you can't delete it from safe mode, boot up with your windows CD and delete it from the recovery console.

    6. Re:Oh, the Irony! by Grand+Facade · · Score: 3, Interesting

      WTF!!!!! Invisible Registry Value?????????

      Who designed this crap that allows such rubbish to exist in the first place?

      Why would there ever be a need for invisible values in the registry?

      Is this a joke?

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      Rick B.
    7. Re:Oh, the Irony! by empaler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When's the last time you had trouble with Windows spyware creeping in with your BSD torrents? ;p

    8. Re:Oh, the Irony! by killjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some of this blame has to go to MS for making an operating system on which not even the administrator can delete a file. It seems like windows presumes that even it's administrators can't be trusted fully. I know that I have had situations where the OS was so confused it would not let me delete a directory no matter what I did even though it was empty, even after rebooting. One day months later I tried on a whim and it let me delete it. Strange OS windows is.

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    9. Re:Oh, the Irony! by aetherspoon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do a google search for a program called dellater.exe - it does just what it says. It marks a file for deletion at the next reboot. Command line utility. Simple and it works.

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    10. Re:Oh, the Irony! by robertjw · · Score: 2, Informative

      DOS can delete them if you feel like paying for the NTFS dos drivers which support both read and write. (read is free).

      Another option is to us a knoppix disk and boot to Linux. There is an article at http://www.planetfez.net/engl223/archive/page2.htm l#win32 that gives steps for doing this.

    11. Re:Oh, the Irony! by snakecoder · · Score: 2, Informative


      One of many methods to remove files:

      I had a bunch of remote boxes that I needed to get rid of those pesky "won't go away" trojans.

      Fortunately the box had cygnus

      I just kicked off
      while [ 1 ]
      do
      rm filename
      done

      Then I rebooted the box and the file was gone for good.

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      -Nuke the moon
    12. Re:Oh, the Irony! by cornjones · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately, it seems as though alot of the vids are coming down as .exes (or rars containing exes). Supposedly, the .exes are just self extracting archives but I don't trust them, I generally send the .exe into winrar. If it is just an archive, winrar can extract it. If winrar can't open it I assume it is a trojan, delete it and immediately stop seeding.

      YMMV

    13. Re:Oh, the Irony! by yellowbkpk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ya know, I've been running Windows XP for several years now and have yet to come in to an attack by spyware or malware. I just don't touch websites that look bad and I use Firefox. Is it really all that hard to teach people?!

    14. Re:Oh, the Irony! by Phs2501 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Uh, Linux and other Unixes quite happily memory-map running executables. For example:

      :; cat /proc/$(ps auxw | egrep '(m)utt' | awk '{print $2}')/maps
      08048000-080b8000 r-xp 00000000 03:0a 171032 /usr/local/encap/mutt-1.5.9i/bin/mutt
      080b8000-080be000 rw-p 0006f000 03:0a 171032 /usr/local/encap/mutt-1.5.9i/bin/mutt

      What's different is that Windows has a "delete" function while Unix has an "unlink" function. In Unix, a file doesn't get truly deleted until all references to it are gone, including open file handles. Try creating a 2GB file in /tmp, writing a simple program to open it and sleep forever, then deleting it with rm. You won't get your space back until the sleeping process exits.

      You can also usually crash a running process pretty easily by scribbling over its executable, proving that it's memory-mapped.

      To me this makes much more sense than the Microsoft B&D method, which as you mentioned leads to a ton of "Please reboot because I couldn't touch this file" messages. If it worked like Unix, you could simply unlink the old file and (optionally) put a new one in its place without affecting currently running processes. When those processes restarted, they would use the new files.

      Of course, spyware and virus authors must love the way MS does it.

    15. Re:Oh, the Irony! by xtracto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is why I usually get my torrents from known sources, like piratebay or torrenttyphoon search sites.

      That way I can see a comment and if there is a bad torrent [fake] usually it is comented.

      I think that was one of the advantages of bittorrent over other p2p protocols no?

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      Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'
    16. Re:Oh, the Irony! by Eivind · · Score: 2, Informative
      No, you're wrong. Infact unix happily mmaps executables and libraries.

      The difference is that unix file-model is a lot more flexible than the model in dos (now largely inherited by Windows)

      In Windows, a "file" is a collection of bytes with one name.

      In Unix, a "file" is a collection of bytes with zero or more names.

      Simply put, unix uses reference-counting, the actual blocks on disk are only freed when the last reference is gone. Thus it's unproblematic to allow deletion of an open file -- the deletion only affects the directory formerly holding a reference to the file, the file still exists because the process has a handle on it and the reference-count is thus not null.

      You can try it out for yourself trivially:

      • Create a large file somehow.
      • start i.e. python with "python"
      • open the file and get a filehandle by doing: "fp = open("filename.whatever")
      • Open a different shell.
      • Check how much space is free on the device.
      • Delete the file. Notice it's gone from the directory.
      • Check how much space is free, notice that it's not changed (i.e. the file is still taking up room)
      • in python, do fp.close()
      • Repeat test, notice that *now* the file is no longer taking up room.

      The disadvantages of the unix-aproach you talk about don't exist, they are purely imagined and purely the result of you failing to grasp the unix file-semantics.

  2. And the day has come... by ChrisF79 · · Score: 2, Informative

    We had to see this one coming. The spyware/adware folks are getting good at putting their "product" everywhere. It was only a matter of time before bittorrent reached critical mass and became a good target.

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    1. Re:And the day has come... by tropo3050 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, sure, if they were trying to share a modified version of the original torrent. The article certainly gives the impression that the torret is being posioned with modified "chunks" of data which, when reassembled into the file, create adware. However, the .torrent file should specify the checksum for each part - if it is invalid, the part is thrown out and gotten from somewhere else. The same reason why checksums work in encryption is why altering the chunk and maintaining an identical checksum is theoretically possible: yeilding a functioning chunk with that same checksum would just be really, really hard. I really think that these people are creating their own torrents, enticing users to download and use that .torrent file. Since they made it, the checksums will match the pre-made chunks, because the original file contains the adware.

  3. How long... by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...before someone uncovers a link between Direct Revenue LLC and the MPAA?

    The MPAA cartel have been more than public about their conspiracy to poison p2p networks.

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    1. Re:How long... by Fishstick · · Score: 2, Funny

      > more than public

      you mean less than secretive?

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      Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.

    2. Re:How long... by Aerog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Clicking through to the aurora review, I was surprised to see that the text in the 'scan your computer' dialog box (image) looked strikingly like the text at respectcopyrights.org; a site run by our favourite Media Cartel in the whole wide world.

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  4. This is Dumb by Enigma_Man · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's not bittorrent that has the spyware, it's crappy spyware-infested clients. A client can contain other malicious code obviously (as seen in Kazaa, etc). Bittorrent itself is just a file type with special download methods. How you download it is up to you. If you don't use a crappy client, and don't run .exe files that you don't remember downloading, you're all set, jesus-h-christ, how many times does this have to be re-hashed.

    -Jesse

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    1. Re:This is Dumb by Jarnis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then the downloader is too moronic to own a computer.

      There is plenty of crap being seeded. Being able to tell crap from real, proper releases is not rocket science.

    2. Re:This is Dumb by Enigma_Man · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then that's your own damn fault for not being aware of what you're downloading, same as with any file transfer that has ever existed at any point in history for all time, and at all points in the future.

      -Jesse

      --
      Nothing says "unprofessional job" like wrinkles in your duct tape.
    3. Re:This is Dumb by Gnascher · · Score: 3, Informative

      You missed the point. Your 'torrent client isn't the one installing the adware.

      Adware companies are hosting up files that they've corrupted by adding in thier own files.

      So when you think you're downloading a linux .iso, or something else ... you MAY be getting more than you bargained for if one of the sources of the .torrent is hosting one of these corrupted pieces.

      Then, when the download is complete and is reassembled ... the spyware gets installed on your machine.

      The scary bad thing here, that the article doesn't mention, is if the SpyWare community can pull this off, it should be just as easy for a Virus writer to do it.

      Probably easy enough to verify your download if you can check an MD5 hash against it. But the article wasn't clear when the install happens. Is it automatic, or is user input required.

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    4. Re:This is Dumb by failure-man · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BitTorrent already hashes the download with SHA1, so unless the Spyware industry has come up with some practical way to generate collisions it's not the pieces that are corrupt. It's the whole torrent.

    5. Re:This is Dumb by Enigma_Man · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, that was my mistake, I mis-scanned the article. This is actually an even more retarded article about running unknown software you downloaded from a semi-anonymous source... Great guys, keep running those executables you get through the e-mail.

      -Jesse

      --
      Nothing says "unprofessional job" like wrinkles in your duct tape.
    6. Re:This is Dumb by nahpets77 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't see how the spyware can be installed automatically. When you download a file, it goes in a directory. Unless you execute the infected file(s), the spyware can't be installed. Of course, I'm assuming here that you're using a "real" BT client that won't execute files for you ;) Furthermore, it shouldn't be too hard to filter out fakes: - Using things like MD5 to verify 'real' releases. Maybe even GPG signatures? - Virus/Spyware tools which can scan your downloads and detect known spyware progies.

    7. Re:This is Dumb by Daedala · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Renowned security researchers need to flog this stuff to become renowned outside their own heads?

      Perhaps I'm betraying my own ignorance (who, me?), but I've never heard of this guy, I don't particularly respect people who flog their MS MVPness as a qualification, and a quick look on Google shows his general tone to be somewhat...hysterical. The spywares are coming to get us! Run away! Run away!

      Am I missing something?

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    8. Re:This is Dumb by mcc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The scary bad thing here, that the article doesn't mention, is if the SpyWare community can pull this off, it should be just as easy for a Virus writer to do it.

      My thought is, if it's illegal for a Virus writer to pull this off, it should also be illegal for the SpyWare community to do it.

      We should stop acting like spyware deserves some kind of special, dignified status, different from "viruses", just because they're created by companies and not by some guy in his basement. They aren't different. They're trojan horses. Proscecute them like they are.

      Either these people are stuffing their trojan horses into legitimate, legal-to-distribute programs and releasing them on bittorrent misleadingly, and should be hit under whatever law you'd get hit under if you were doing exactly that with a virus, or they're stuffing their trojan horses into warez, and they should be hit for the above plus copyright infringement.

    9. Re:This is Dumb by Trigun · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is why I only download my tv shows from respectable pirates. And for the most part, I don't run into too many archives, they're usually just a single avi file. The ones that do come as rars or similar are generally cams or crap.

    10. Re:This is Dumb by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Excuse me, but porn sites mostly don't need spyware - they know what you're there to get - they don't need marketing of any kind - the marketing is between your legs.

      Most of my clients are picking up spyware from going to SPORTS sites. I got a client whose kids keep checking out Nike shoes at sleazy commercial sites and going to sports sites. It's sleazy commercial sites that are using spyware and spam software to hawk their products and sell marketing info.

      And why would a warez site install spyware? What's in it for them (unless they're big enough to make deals with sleazy marketing operations)? They're distributing FREE illegal stuff to begin with! Again, they KNOW what you're there for. Sure, some of them are probably crackers who are looking to spread viruses and the like, but a lot of people using warez will spot that in a hurry and spread the word and then they're out of business (on that site at least.)

      Even this BitTorrent thing - it's not the "legitimate" sharers doing this - it's COMPANIES seeding the torrents with crap. It's the companies that need to be targeted and shut down, regardless of their legal excuses.

      Ultimately I think that since the law can't work - because it's mostly unenforceable - it will have to be hackers who start finding and (illegally) targeting these companies for DoS attacks and the like that will have to solve this.

      And of course, better tools and better user education is needed to stop people from clicking on spam and installing crap.

      Even so, a certain level of crime is a given and security is an issue that won't go away (until humans do, which fortunately is a given as well.)

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    11. Re:This is Dumb by alecks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't that difficult people. Let's say you just downloaded PhotoshopCS2.torrent, and you go to the folder and you see what looks like a legit photoshop CD folder structure. One of the following could happen:
      1 - Setup.exe is a virus/spyware
      2 - Setup.exe is the real setup with a virus/spyware attached to it
      3 - Keygen.exe is one of the above.

    12. Re:This is Dumb by reidbold · · Score: 3, Informative

      BitTorrent does this automatically behind the scenes. It hashes each block of data and confirms it after it's downloaded it, and it redownloads blocks that fail hash check.

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      -Reid
  5. Sites? by kevin_conaway · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Which "sites" does this affect? The article and summary says that its flooding in through "BitTorrent." BT is just a protocol, there are have got to be sites hosting trackers that are providing these malicious files. My question is, who are they?

  6. Shrug by The+Bungi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Download something, install it on your machine. You get malware. Surprise. This has nothing to do with the fact that it's BT, because BT is open to everyone. It's the user's responsibility, as always. As with Kazaa, LimeWire and any other P2P technology or just downloading "that really cool screensaver" using your web browser.

    Of course this won't stop some people from blaming Microsoft somehow.

    1. Re:Shrug by sqlrob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      BZZZT.

      It just as easily be a reverse connect trojan that modifies ~/.profile or other login startup files, no admin privileges needed.

      If a user runs something bad, they can be screwed no matter what OS.

  7. They're number one financial backers by bigwavejas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wouldn't be surprised if the MPAA and RIAA are their number one financial backers, it was probably even their brainchild in an effort to chase wouldbe wrongdoers from downloading music or movies.

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    1. Re:They're number one financial backers by brouski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most people who would download a strange BT client probably wouldn't know they've got spyware on their system in the first place. They're the type of people who take the computer to the shop every two months because "it's slow".

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  8. I call BULLSHIT by Jarnis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone with half a brain will NOT download a 'video file' that ends in .exe

    None of the real proper releases are 'infected'. Only way to get spyware is to be a moron and download some 'hot_paris_hilton_sex_video.exe'.

    There is no magic way to 'insert' spyware in bittorrent transfers. Tracker has the hash of the file, you cannot modify it. This is just a marketer seeding crap, hoping that idiots bite. Hook, line, sinker -style.

    1. Re:I call BULLSHIT by Jarnis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bull. The person describes how it launched somekinda installer (those come from .exes, btw) and then a selfextracter.

      If you actually unpacked the rar using winrar, that wouldn't happen.

      In any case, it wasn't a proper release. Proper release = bunch of identical-sized partfiles, .nfo, and .sfv files, all neatly in a properly named directory. And then you unpack the directory using WinRar, so there is no way for anything to launch (Since winrar itself searches the actual packets from the folder, then unpacks the actual .avi, .mpg, .iso or whatever).

      DL crap, and you probably get crap...

    2. Re:I call BULLSHIT by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Still, if the result of un-RARing the file is an .exe when you downloaded video, any moron can tell that something is WRONG.

      Such torrents would quickly die from lack of seeders.

      So far, very few (if any) BT clients are bundled with spyware. Perhaps if you got them from an untrustworthy mirror, this would be different, but nearly every client is adware/spyware-free if you download it from a reputable source.

      With the exception of downloading warez (games/apps), there's almost no way anyone could sneak spyware/adware into a BT download. You just simply can't infect AVI/WMV/MPEG/MP3 files. Probably 50% of BT traffic (or more) consist of media files. Another 30-40% (at least) are Linux ISOs, which are also pretty damn hard to infect with spyware/adware.

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    3. Re:I call BULLSHIT by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >Bull.

      or, to put it calmly, "the fabuluous article is completely unclear on how Boyd got from a RAR file to the opening screen of the 'MMG Installer' "

    4. Re:I call BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      Such torrents would quickly die from lack of seeders.
      That Sir, is where the "there's a sucker born every minute" part proves you wrong.
    5. Re:I call BULLSHIT by msormune · · Score: 3, Funny
      Another 30-40% (at least) are Linux ISOs
      You know that stuff you're smoking is probably illegal.
    6. Re:I call BULLSHIT by 0111+1110 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      AVI/WMV/MPEG/MP3

      Can we please stop including WMV in the list of difficult to exploit media files. It has already been pointed out that a WMV file is completely unsafe. Once I foolishly downloaded one and it opened a website in my browser when I tried to open it. After that I deleted every single WMV file on my computer and will never download one again. They are quite scary.

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    7. Re:I call BULLSHIT by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's worse.
      You see, Windows has this lovely feature known as "Hide file extensions for known file types". And guess what? One of these extensions is .exe. Another lovely feature of Windows is that you can assign any arbitrary icon to a file. Like the llovely Winamp llama. So all the bastards need is to rename infect.exe to Britney_Spears-Fuck_Me_Harder.mp3.exe, give it a common mp3 icon, add it to RAR (BT doesn't hide file extensions), then seed it. Your average Windows moron will right-click on the RAR, pick "unpack here", then double-click the icon.
      Easy like that.

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  9. windows problem by jon_oner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Another problem for the average windows user.

    I hate to point out the obvious, but users that don't pay attention to what they are installing deserve their pop-ups.

  10. The only problem with this... by aslagle · · Score: 4, Informative

    is that Bittorrent is really not the problem here. The adware isn't coming from a Bittorrent client, or being 'snuck in' over the protocol instead of or alongside a file you're downloading, it's coming in the file you're downloading! It's the same way adware gets into a host of other files we've been told to be careful of, like email attachments.

    Bittorrent is simply used to add a bit more hype and FUD to the same old same-o.

  11. Re:Practical solution to spyware and p2p executabl by TheKidWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    or just open the file directly with winrar or winzip bypassing the self extracting EXE all together.

  12. Info Direct From Vital Security by TheRedHorse · · Score: 2, Informative

    More info from Vitual Security here and here.

  13. Re:Warm and Fuzzy?? by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 2, Insightful

    90% you say? How far up your ass did you pull that number from?

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  14. Aurora by eric_brissette · · Score: 2, Informative

    My roomate has had Aurora installed on his system for about 2 weeks now, I just haven't had the time to get around to removing it. I've done some quick searches to find information about the removal of Aurora, and it looks like removal involves a lot of tedious work... Doea anyone know of some software that'll remove it so I don't have to do it manually? So far Microsoft Anti Spyware has found it, but not removed it. AdAware hasn't removed it. Spybot Search & Destroy hasn't removed it. AVG Antivirus hasn't removed it. Just a word of advice to others who may be "infected": Direct Revenue has a removal tool on their site. I wouldn't suggest using it after reading a number of posts on forums (computing.net)

  15. Bah, big deal... by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not a problem in BT communities requiring registrations.

    Not a problem if you're sane either, really.

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  16. Bittorrent is *STILL SAFER* by Tezkah · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why is it still safer? Open Source / Freeware (no spyware) clients.

    Plus, even if you DO download a file that ends up being spyware, when you download the torrent from most sites, they allow you to give comments like "I FOUND SIXTEEN HUNDREN VIRUSES IN THIS TORRENT", and although some people lie, if people are complaining about stuff like that, you can usually guess that it is a spyware infested torrent.

    Of course, even this only matters when you download something containing an .exe or some such program. One program I did download asked me to install third party software... I quicky realized that the EULA was of a spyware company, asking me to waive all rights to privacy, and did not belong to the developing company.

  17. Re:Not so big of a deal by aslagle · · Score: 4, Informative

    Um...this is wrong. Perhaps you missed the part that said the client isn't the infection path?

    Oh, guess you didn't read TFA.

    The infection path is simply a self-extracting file that contains the content you wanted, along with a spyware tag-along. It can be downloaded with any client, they just happen to be seeding them as torrents.

  18. Re:Practical solution to spyware and p2p executabl by KingSkippus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Excellent idea; anyone know where I can get a torrent of VMWare?

    (For those conserving humor filter battery power, I'm kidding--please don't reply...)

  19. Re:Doh by Smidge204 · · Score: 2, Informative

    After reading the article, it seems that the client itself is not the vehicle for infection - it's tainted files. Which client you use is irrelevant.

    =Smidge=

  20. Re:Kind of funny by aslagle · · Score: 3, Funny

    Look up the definition of irony sometime. I think you'll find it illuminating. Then read TFA.

  21. Re:Warm and Fuzzy?? by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's funny to see BitTorrent now get their comeuppance. When you lie with snakes, you're going to get bit.

    How does it feel to get hoist by your own petard now?


    Feels just like making my bed and lying in it or lying with dogs and getting up with fleas. But not as embarassing as painting myself into a corner or being caught with my pants down. A bird in the hand is wor#*NG(*(JF>SA

    POST TERMINATED: Cliche limit reached.

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  22. Re:be smart by Bert690 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Azureus + the Safepeer/PeerGuardian plugin specifically blocks much nasty stuff out.

    All that does is block bad IPs. That won't do squat if you're downloading and running an application with malware inside. The real solution is to use something like bitzi which lets you check if a given file/app you are downoading is known to have "issues."

  23. Re:This is ridiculous. by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

    If someone is competent enough to use BT, aren't they competent enough to realize that .exe is not a video?

    Whoa hold your horses there Charlie. Remember that according to some RIAA lawsuits, we're talking about grandmothers, dead people and family pets here...

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  24. They SHOULD get into trouble... by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You bring up a real issue, not from an end-user standpoint, but from major corporations. Shouldn't these companies get into serious legal trouble? I can think of two ways right off the top of my head.

    First, if they're sticking adware on an illegal file and uploading it, don't the same laws apply to them uploading the illegal file? Is the **AA suing these companies along with 12-year-old kids? After all, it's adware-infested, but it's still an illegal file, right?

    Second, if they are modifying warez software, not only does the previous apply, but doesn't it fall under the protection of software that outlaws modifying binary code and distributing it without the publisher's consent? I mean think about it, this kind of thing not only supposedly denies companies revenue, but it can give them a serious black eye. What if people get the incorrect impression that an adware-infested version of a respectable piece of software is the real thing? All of a sudden, you have a really bad--and undeserved--reputation for distributing spyware on everyone's computers.

    1. Re:They SHOULD get into trouble... by Maestro4k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      First, if they're sticking adware on an illegal file and uploading it, don't the same laws apply to them uploading the illegal file? Is the **AA suing these companies along with 12-year-old kids? After all, it's adware-infested, but it's still an illegal file, right? Better yet, if a 12yo or younger downloads one of these and gets greeted with the installer are they making sure they conform to COPPA? COPPA's a pain in the ass, you have to provide a physical address, phone number, fax number, full disclosure of all personal information collected, how it's used, etc. and provide for forms that the parents of the 12yo and younger folks have to send in before they can use your site. Since they're pushing ads _and_ they're likely collecting statistics to "target" said ads, then I'm betting that COPPA applies to them. Looking at the screenshots of the install it doesn't ask what age you are. Ooops, big mistake there. Maybe someone should tell Spitzer about this, I'm sure he'd love to nail some companies for COPPA violations too. Second, if they are modifying warez software, not only does the previous apply, but doesn't it fall under the protection of software that outlaws modifying binary code and distributing it without the publisher's consent? I mean think about it, this kind of thing not only supposedly denies companies revenue, but it can give them a serious black eye. What if people get the incorrect impression that an adware-infested version of a respectable piece of software is the real thing? All of a sudden, you have a really bad--and undeserved--reputation for distributing spyware on everyone's computers. Wait, it gets better. The screenshots show that he downloaded an episode of The Family Guy and this install popped up with it. Anyone want to take any bets on whether or not they had permission to distribute The Family Guy? What do you think the MPAA's going to do to them when they find out they're "monetizing" illegal downloads of their member's products? Bet it makes the lawsuits we've seen against fileshares look tame, and bet the owners of Direct Revenue will be able to put up their own goats.cx photos once it's over with.

  25. So why not go after Direct Revenue for piracy? by doormat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they're including their spyware into pirated software, why doesnt the BSA go after these guys and shut them down? Its seams like they're very low-hanging fruit on the tree of software piracy (since its easier to follow money and corporations than individuals and IP address from foreign countries).

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  26. EXE files? by mindaktiviti · · Score: 4, Insightful
    A BitTorrent user downloading a movie clip only becomes aware of the associated adware after the files are reassembled. At that stage, when the user attempts to load the reassembled file, he or she is greeted by an installation notice for an adware bundle distributed by MMG (Marketing Metrix Group), a Canadian company that specializes in P2P network marketing.

    Yeah...but those movie files tend to be .exe files, right? How can you install spyware if you're just playing an avi file? And when you're downloading a bittorrent file you can go into your directory and SEE what files you're getting! I sometimes click on torrent files and yes it might be an .exe even though I was expecting an .avi. but then I just cancel the download and grab something else.

    Maybe this will get people who don't really know anything?

  27. Re:Warm and Fuzzy?? by l3v1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you meant to write illegal and thieving. Fact it, 90% of BT traffic was copyrighted material that was illegal to distribute.

    You mean the about 60gigs of linux install images and live disks for x86 and amd64 I download monthly to keep an always uptodate collection is a unique event occuring only once a month on this planet and only I do it.

    Ok, I know, I also get some series episodes from somewhere. Still, you and the like just LLLLove trashing the whole damn city out with the bathing water, not just the poor baby.

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  28. Brother by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I never used to comprehend how people could be so stupid (fairly computer literate people at that) as to open an .exe file when they downloaded a video.

    That was until my brother showed me a ligitimate site (forget which) that required their own "player" to view a trailer or something. As far as I could tell (verified by ad/spyware checks afterwards) it didn't leave anything. So I guess there are companies stupid enough to make those things, and people stupid enough to use them, but at least now I have a connection.

    The cool thing about bittorrent is that although it doesn't have a built in moderation system per se (although the trackers often do), you can generally tell if a file is the correct version or not based on how many people are downloading/seeding. Yeah, its not always accurate, but if you see several releases of a movie, and there's one or two seeds on one link, and over 500 on another, you'll pick the latter because you're going to get higher speeds, and presumably it is the correct file.

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  29. Fatal err0r!!1 by endtime · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.marketingmetrixgroup.com/ Ha that didn't take long.

  30. Re:Irony Indeed... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2
    Well, which is it?

    You're right. There is only one person posting to all these accounts, so clearly he is both prolific and schizophrenic.

  31. THIS JUST IN-- by BitHive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    --File Transfer Protocol Used to Transfer Files. Story at 11.

  32. Re:Doh by iibagod · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shhh....I'm working on that. Unfortunately, I had to leave the country due to the recent civil war, and I can not get the $10,000,000 in research money out.....

    If you would like to help me recover this money....


    You'll be my first beta tester.

  33. Re:Doh by sootman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not just that, but 13-26 year olds who have *proven* that they'd rather steal stuff than buy it... but surely they'll want to pay for *your* product, right? Idiots.

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  34. Fight back against Direct Revenue LLC by prezvdi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't bother calling their office. Don't bother emailing them for help. And no matter what you do, don't run their uninstall utility myPCtuneup - it simply installs more crap.

    Direct Revenue LLC is VC backed. Please, complain to the right guy.

    Insite Venture Partners
    Mr. Deven Parekh
    His desk number is 212-230-9216 and his real email address is dparekh@insightpartners.com

    May we waste as much of his time as he has of ours. How many people here spend hours "helping" their non-tech friends remove this crap . . .

  35. RTFA by sjvn · · Score: 2, Informative

    The story says that torrent files are being bundled with adware programs, not BitTorrent clients.

    How can this happen? Again RTFA.

    If seeing is believing, look at this link from the news story:

    Vitalsecurity

    You'll see a RAR--not an exe--for an episode of Family Guy. When you try to open it, you're faced with a licensing annoucement, which if you agree to it, will pack your Windows system full of spyware.

    Would this fool someone who knew what they were doing? No.

    Would it fool a lot of users just looking for a cheap thrill? Oh yeah.

    Does this make it a real problem--as the article suggests--I certainly think so.

    Maybe not for me, maybe not for you, but for those millions of clueless users, yes, oh yes it does.

    Steven

  36. Not a windows problem by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not a Windows problem.

    First of all, I can't think of anything stopping the same thing from happening with Linux software. Although it's ever elusive, if Linux does eventually become the desktop standard, do you think that average Linux users will conscienciously check every MD5 hash for every binary they download? Probably not. Even if some external means of verification exists that a program is authentic, it adds a layer of complexity to using the system that most average people, given the choice, simply won't use.

    Which brings me to my second point, that if you have to blame anything you mentioned, the emphasis should be on the USER, not the operating system. And personally, I don't blame the average user because I think that there's no excuse for computers and software not being easy and intuitive enough for average users to use without having to spend hours and hours learning it. So who does the blame lie with? Primarily, the developers of virii and adware. Secondarily, the developer community (closed AND open source) for not putting enough emphasis on security with ease of use. And the problem with feeling that they "deserve their pop-ups" is that they're not just hurting themselves by throttling their own bandwidth, they are collectively throttling the bandwidth of the entire Internet, and that makes it your and my problem, too.

    Third, I am a Windows user for around twelve years, and a damn competent one, if I do say so myself. I have never once been hacked, infected, or adwared (can that be used as a verb?) without it being a deliberate action on my part for academic purposes. If Windows were such an insecure operating system, it seems that no amount of virus and adware protection would prevent me from eventually getting some nasty bug. The fact is that with a few simple actions, Windows is as safe and secure for an average user as any other OS.

    In addition to pointing out the obvious (which I'm not criticizing you for, sometimes things need to be said), please do something about it. A nice start might be what I did: Buy a spindle of CD-R's and burn a copy of a FOSS antivirus program, adware detector/remover, Firefox, etc. and start handing it out to your friends and family, and offer to help out in giving their machines a periodic tune-up (or overhaul, as the case may be) to make their lives--and by extension, your life--a little easier and better.

  37. Deleting the file by i8a4re · · Score: 4, Informative

    Although this is not a tech support forum...

    A simple solution is to remove execute permissions on the file. I've run across malware that doesn't like you accessing the permissions dialog, so I typically use the command line CACLS.exe. Then I reboot, get a few errors since it is trying to execute a file that no account has permission to access. Now you can restore the delete permission and remove the file since it's not locked.

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    1. Re:Deleting the file by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've found that the files can very often still be renamed while they are locked, it's pretty useful to defeat groups of self running parasites

    2. Re:Deleting the file by Hosiah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Excellent suggestions, to which I might ad, a hex editor works wonders in disabling a virus, too. Just type enough zeros!

  38. Re:Doh by budgenator · · Score: 2, Informative

    how an executable could be run if you downloaded a nonexecutable (e.g., a .mov or .avi file)
    It can't but that's not what's happening, people are used to downloading ZIP files, which are often self-extracting; so double click the file, which is executable i.e. self-extracting, the custom extractor, throw up a alert-box says extracting "suzie does donkies" checkbox "I agree to terms" and ok. users never actually reads the terms which says something like I agree to install software, give my first born son ect. then the extractor installs the spyware, and then extract the .mov or .avi file for the user to watch. I'm not sure if windows even looks at the file extention anymore

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  39. The Real Problem? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Isn't the real problem here that trackers are being posted that haven't been verified as valid first by the "moderators".

    Or is it the new "trackerless" BT that has opened this door?

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  40. Deleting files that are "in use" by frenetic3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I guess no one has suggested this yet: use Process Explorer and search for any open handles to the file. Once all the handles are closed, you can delete it safely because it won't be in use.

    This technique is a little shaky because those running programs that have handles to the DLL might be a little upset that it the handle is suddenly closed, but just reboot after you complete the process if something breaks or crashes.

    -fren

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  41. Someone's already taken action by kassemi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Looks like the company responsible for pushing the adware has already got some negative attention: http://www.marketingmetrixgroup.com/ (hacked)

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  42. BitTorrent Trackers by NaruVonWilkins · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Many users of BT are still quite unaffected by this simply because they use membership-based trackers.

    I don't see that changing - as long as someone's accountable for the content (and can lose tracker privileges for bad content), I don't think it will.

  43. Re:Doh by robertjw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not just that, but 13-26 year olds who have *proven* that they'd rather steal stuff than buy it...

    Of course, how does that explain Coldplay selling 740,000 copies of their new album in the first week. Who is buying these, all the damn 40 year olds? Wonder if my grandma's picked up her copy yet?

    Maybe X&Y isn't out on the torrent sites yet.... nope, there it is. My favorite torrent search engine has at least 5 very active trackers. Strange, why would ANYONE purchase it, especially those evil 13-26 year olds???

  44. This is why I DONT want Linux to be popular. by MikeyVB · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Please read my entire post before modding me Troll....

    I recently installed Linux on my computer.

    The final trigger for installing it was the stupid Aurora adware mentioned in TFA. As an IT guy by profession, I found it insanely difficult to get rid of that one. I am very diligent with my computer (firewall, adware scanning and virus scanning, Firefox etc..) when it comes to anything I download, and I am almost usually completely ad/spy/vrius-ware free. But in the end, some do slip through my defenses.

    About a year ago I did run Linux and then went back to Windows because I just wanted to have a computer that runs common software and apps that you run into instead of the ones to have to look for, and also having software install itself painlessly more often than not, which is usally the case for me on Linux since I am just mediocore with it.

    But why do I not want Linux to be used more and become a new standard? Because right now I like my Linux system. The fact that it is COMPLETELY adware free (other than www) is why I love it so much. If Linux became more standardized, the Adware/Spyware creating bastards would then consider it a new target market and we would have to go through all of the growing pain bullshit with viruses and adware as Windows is discovering right now. Because the user base of Linux is so small, the creating adware for it is not worth the effort.

    I like it that way.

  45. Re:Oh, the Coincidence! by Vengeance_au · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm more taken by the coincidence of this 'news', where the key references are from;
    Chris Boyd, a renowned security researcher
    Boyd, the Microsoft Security MVP (most valuable professional)
    and then we see in a subsequent article here on slashdot.... Microsoft wants P2P Avalanche to Crush Bittorrent