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Google Summer of Code Project Breakdown
behdad writes "Google's Summer of Code final per-organization project breakdown is out. The Apache Software Foundation is on the top of the list with 38 projects allocated out of total 410 slots, followed by KDE, FreeBSD, and 38 other mentoring organizations. The accepted applications will be posted early next week. More than 8700 applications have been submitted. Thanks Greg Stein and Chris DiBona for the hard work."
Did anyone else think that the project had broken down?
Excuse an ignorant Swede, but what the heck is psf, number 4 on the list?
The Internet is full. Go Away!!!
Google? Google will have open source code? Is this a first, or am I just nuts? Has anyone else heard that THEY were to be developing open source code, too? I mean, yeah, it's obvious they want to tap into its power with the whole Summer of Code thing, but I didn't realize they were actually going to have code developed for themselves as well...
oh, yes. this is odd. I forgot that open-source developers drink water, eat earth and live in primitive cottages in the center of jungle/desert/iceland. have no other needs than internet access that is free and wear simple self-made clothes.
and yes, this is strange. I always thought open-source software does need any money - it was always here since I remember.
michal
No, I don't think it's odd at all. Just ask (for example) IBM or Novell. Or RedHat for that matter. Developers need to eat. They also need to pay for their home, car, kids, etc. Companies like Google need relatively cheap access to bleeding-edge tech, and the PR value of a project like this doesn't hurt. Anyway, last I checked "open source" is not mutually exclusive with "cash".
C|N>K
The proposal information for each project is on their own website, the ones accepted you will not know until Google releases more information, as noted in the link. "We'll post the applications and have further data early next week."
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
FreeBSD in third place. So who is dead now? :-P
home
I am glad KDE is way up there. I am sure no slashdotter can say KDE is doing badly at all. GNOME too, did not do that bad either. We surely have resources in the OSS world.
Dear Michal,
Yeah, sorry about that. Unfortunately your particular proposal did not align with my goals for total world domination. Your submission "The Free Simulator for Coconut-Swallow Aerodynamics" while interesting, would not have been useful as I have already researched this topic throughly and concluded ducks are the optimal fowl for coconut transport.
Sincerly,
Google Inc.
I think Apache is on first place because they are the only one with java projects.
But why is gnome so behind KDE?
Does someone have an explanation?
Top story at NewsBlaze The Summer of Code for students begins.
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Why? Free software is about freedom and not about money. The fact that free and opensource software is usually available for free is mostly just a happy side effect. Software developers need an income just like everyone else so there is no reason they shouldn't expect to get paid for their work even if it is licensed as opensource.
:)
I think we need a formal non-profit organization to act as a union of sorts for opensource developers. Something similar to what SoC is (but much bigger) and what LinuxFund tried to be. The OSDU could coordinate things like SoC which would take much of the burden off of companies such as Google that might be involved. Also they could request sponsorships from multiple companies which would allow greater amounts of projects to be sponsored. The group could collect extra funds through various programs such as LinuxFund's branded credit card program and through similar programs such as branded license plates (who doesn't want Tux on their license plate?).
OSDU could maintain relationships with mentoring organizations such as those participating in SoC to keep a pulse of what those organizations need and to help shepard programmers to those projects as appropiate. OSDU could pay those programmers out of their funds as well as covering special needs of the programmers or mentors such as providing special hardware or funding needed artwork and documentation. Along with sponsoring programmers that mentors need OSDU could keep tabs on interesting and underfunded projects by monitoring Sourceforge, Freshmeat, and similar community websites. Such projects, when identified , could approach the project leaders to find out how they could best be sponsored.
OSDU would be a super-organization that could tie together many companies and mentoring organizations under a single umbrella to enable the community to better address the needs of these as well as the needs of the programmers actually doing the work.
Now.. how do I bootstrap this.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
Yes, they should really be using bash.
Yay! 10 project accepted for Blender! (*claps my little sweaty hands*)
...and NO... This is NOT an opensource kitchen appliance!
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
My proposal got rejected (I'm not too surprised). The only thing that makes me a bid upset is that it seems all the projects are going to bsd and linux. At least some people should have been allowed to work on mac and windows projects. If you aren't a linux or bsd developer than you would have been looking for java projects, which there wern't many of either.
Philosophy.
I've been using a lot of (ported) GPL Windows software lately (Apache2, MySQL, Gaim, so forth) and depend on it greatly. I've been starting to use Cygwin more because I've noticed it has matured a great deal - but more work is always needed.
Can we get Cygwin in on this?
It sure would be nice to have more GNU tools for Windows.
Get your Unix fortune now!
This is an educational push, if I understand it correctly, because one of the requirements is that you have to be a student in order to participate. Feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but I seem to remember seeing some complaints by more seasoned developers (non-students) that this limitation seemed somewhat arbitrary.
I am accepted and I am too geeky to celebrate that as it should have been celebrated. Doh!
Odd that we could do something we love and get paid for it?
Yeah, but an odd I could get used to.
Information: "I want to be anthropomorphized"
Because of the overwhelming popularity and financial support of Google's Summer of Code, LispNYC is proud to announce it's continued dedication to same great idea: Summer of Lisp.
The reality is that although many of our projects are worthy endeavors, not all will get funding from Google, which is why our mentors are willing to work unfunded with students who are willing to learn Lisp. So if you're serious about computer science and are interested in continuing your education in order to beat the averages ( http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html ) while working on projects that matter, please stop by.
http://www.lispnyc.org/summeroflisp.html
"They are loading up with PHds and scientists. If these guys had any useful brains, they would be super rich already."
Excuse me? Maybe PhDs and scientists are smart enough to realize that there is more to life than just money, such as perhaps having an interesting and fun job?
There are many different types of intelligence, and the most capable scientists and engineers may likely not have the best business sense. That doesn't meant that Google doesn't have people with good business sense, too, though. Perhaps a little division of labor?!? (Microsoft does that, too.)
My proposal details that got accepted by the Gnome Foundation are available here. Its basically a documentation repository for open source projects, with an API to access them from external applications and websites.
It also fosters the architecture of participation paradigm by making commenting and rating documents as easy as possible.
Well you're quite naturally a dumbass, but allow me to challenge you into doing one of the documentation or memory optimization projects yourself then. Put your fingers where your mouth is (pun intended).
After all, desktop management elitism is so 1999.
That is funny. I hope somebody is archiving the genius /. comments for posterity.
"I dare you to name a single Microsoft project that isn't ultimately copied from something a PHD or scientist dreamed up."
Given that the vast majority of tech ideas and implementations weren't dreamed up by either PHD's or scientists, it shouldn't be too hard.
Seriously, check out microsoft research. They do a lot of "real research". They have some very smart people and they publish a fair amount of quality work in prestigious conferences.
I know in my area of program analysis for reliability/safety that there have been some very subtantial papers (with "new ideas") on predicate abstraction that involve people from msr. It is some cool work and it looks like it will have a real impact on driver/low level code quality.
Mark
Yes, that should be it. According to Peter Norvig (of "Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in Common Lisp" fame):
"Python has been an important part of Google since the beginning, and remains so as the system grows and evolves. Today dozens of Google engineers use Python, and we're looking for more people with skills in this language." said Peter Norvig, director of search quality at Google, Inc. (Source).
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
Well, I can tell you that it's not there for gaim:
http://gaim.sourceforge.net/summerofcode/
Google-type? I'd rather be PARC-type, or DEC-SRC-type. I'd settle for MSR-type, BBN-type, SRI-type, SunLabs-type, or IntelLabs-type, or any-decent-university-type.
Am I part of the core demographic for Swedish Fish?
You can check out the list of rejected ideas, or add your own here:
R ejectedIdeas
:
http://summerofrejects.pbwiki.com/index.php?wiki=
and besides that, we have a irc support / collabration channel on
irc://irc.freenode.net/google-rejects
check out the wiki as well:
http://summerofrejects.pbwiki.com/
the point here is to help those who got rejected work on their projects together.
http://google-blog.dirson.com/post.new/0265/
seriously way to go google this is a good(TM) thing to do.
in my life God comes first.... but Linux is pretty high after that
Francis Smit
In retrospect I think my characterization wasn't entirely fair. I based my judgement on the papers from MSR that I'd seen in my field of interest (compiler optimization), and they had seemed to me of the applied type rather than the theoretical type. Even looking through MSR's website, a lot of the high-profile stuff (eg: Singularity) seems a bit derivative. On the other hand, there does seem to be some genuinely new stuff in some of the research areas.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Ok, so I'm going to develop free software this summer and get $4500 for it. That seems like a good idea (and getting paid to create open source is unusual, but should be the norm).
But.. When Google sees all these cool ideas, grabs a few, rewrites them from scratch, and their market value goes up by several million -- i'm going to feel a bit differently about that $4500 i'm holding. Hey, if I knew it was _that_ valuable... As far as I remember it is the expressed work, the code, that is copyright (yes, in open source licenses too), not ideas. So nothing prevents Google from doing this. I'm all for giving away ideas to the community, but Google seems to gain a lot more than I, the originator of the idea, does. Ah, the American Dream: "Where any little guy can rise up and give away a good idea to a big company."
Ok, perhaps I'm paranoid, but when was the last time you checked how valuable _your_ idea was? Any comments? Does anyone think this is an issue?
c.c.
It's really surprising and impressive that drupal has so many projects in the list. Kudos to the folks who are working on it, they obviously have their stuff together.