The word "Linux" does not define a single platform. Due to that, and to the fact that Claro Graphics is going to use GTK, it will look out of place in a KDE environment. Therefore, no problem is solved.
"Plasma is the biggest vaporware open-source has ever producted"
Really... obviously you don't remember the times when things like Bonobo or Orbit were supposed to revolutionize the free desktop. Then came KDE2 along with Kparts and DCOP technologies, making true what others had only hyped. I don't expect it will be different this time, since the KDE project has a tradition of delivering what was promised. The only thing I fear it will not be in KDE4 will be Tenor, since Scott Wheeler has already stated he doesn't know if he will be working on it, but I bet Plasma will be in KDE4.
In my experience, with enough RAM anything over 1Ghz is more than enough to run KDE comfortably. And now, we even know KDE's memory requirements are not so high as many claimed them to be:
Actually, only KDE has a choice of philosophy. For Gnome it's the only way since they don't have the technology to follow KDE's steps and compete with them on those grounds.
But those aren't "many issues". They are just different sides of the same one: out of the box package management in Suse is terrible. As I've said on my first post, those are solvable easily just by installing Smart. I'm not claiming it's perfect, but it has certainly worked for me and it has make Suse usable on my desktop. BTW, I don't think divX or MP3 are playable out of the box on Mandriva either ( at least on the OpenSource edition, if it still is called something like that ).
I agree with you, what Novell did to Suse 10.1 is just unforgivable. I've known many users that have been Suse users for years and have ended up abandoning Suse because of Novell's mistakes. Anyway, the thing is Suse 10.1 is a really nice distribution if we ignore the zmd/zen issues, and solving that is a matter of minutes so I thought you might be interested in giving it another chance.
I've personally never found a distribution that I liked out of the box, so as they say: pick your poison:)
BTW, Smart comes already included in Suse 10.1, but I'm not sure the included version comes preconfigured with the channels most people are going to need (guru's packages for example) and it's probably outdated anyway, so get the latest version from the URL the susewiki.org wiki provides.
I'd suggest you try again Suse 10.1, but this time throw the zmd/zen and all the Mono crap that Novell is putting on Suse right into the garbage can as quick as possible. Then, install Smart:
You're good to go. No dependencies problems, no hassles to install multimedia packages, no trouble updating. Works very nicely for me, at least for now;-)
Yes. And now Gedit has a filelist sidebar (heh!). The things is, you can criticize MS for being late to the game, but if you say almost everything Gnome offers in their new releases has been in KDE for ages, you get a -1. Of course, KDE4 will enlarge the gap once again so Gnome despite all the support it receives is guaranteed to stay behind for a few years at least.
>> I disagree. Their KDE userbase IS their existing userbase. While they may pick up more Gnome customers in the future, I doubt that all their KDE fan users are going to jump ship. If they were ever to abandon KDE, it would be the worst publicity story I can possibly imagine.
It's hard to predict the future, so maybe you're right there. You know, I don't mind them improving their GTK support. Though I personally think Gnome it's far, far inferior to KDE's technology, I've very little against it and I understand some people like it better, so if they can provide a good experience for both desktops, that's alright.
In fact, I don't believe Novell's intentions are clear about dropping KDE right now. No, what I think is that it will come a day when they, as a business, will be forced to drop KDE because they're spending too much resources into something that is not their core business. And if SLED10 has made something clear, is that their enterprise desktop with which they are supposed to make money is not going to have something to do with KDE at all.
All right, Novell, here's my contribution to Open Source and Suse in particular:
I just tell everyone to get rid of the zen/zmd crap and install Smart ( http://labix.org/smart ). This way, they can also enjoy one of the best distributions available today, only held back by your stupid screw-ups.
When you use KDE as a desktop, no, Firefox is far from a proper browser. And the fact that Konqueror is a shell to many things has nothing to do with the quality of KHTML rendering anyway. The point is using Firefox on KDE throws by the window all the feeling you have that you're using an integrated, coherent desktop.
I think Firefox should be installed though as a second browser for those sites that do not render properly on Konqueror... just as many users used to fire up IE whenever Firefox didn't get it right, and this situation was not infrequent when Firefox was not as popular as it is now. I didn't hear many here claiming back then that Firefox was a piece of shit and to stick to IE because of that.
Not everyone is a hard-gamer. If it is good enough to have decent OpenGL performance and it's valid for XGL, then choosing it because of open source drivers would be a no brainer. And I'm sure many others will agree.
Of course. It's wonderful Firefox works like shit in one of the two major UNIX desktops. Say what you will about Windows, but there this has been a non-issue for years.
And of course, resizable dialog windows are possible in Qt since the dawn of time. Not only that, they work wonderfully. Trolltech has done quite a good job with its layout managers.
The truth is Qt 4 and specially Qt 4.2 are far, far ahead of GTK, like it or not.
No, you're not the only one. I would like Vista to be a good OS, because frankly, I think it is only bad for everyone if it turns out to be a disaster.
As an open source supporter, I hope Linux succeeds on the desktop and takes marketshare away from Windows, but not because of Windows failures but by Linux's own merits.
How's holding, then triggering expose, then releasing, then moving the picture to where you want it to be more logical than just clicking on "save as..."? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get it.
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Yeah. I'll do the same and not touch Linux until is GPL! Oops, wait...
The word "Linux" does not define a single platform. Due to that, and to the fact that Claro Graphics is going to use GTK, it will look out of place in a KDE environment. Therefore, no problem is solved.
"Plasma is the biggest vaporware open-source has ever producted"
Really... obviously you don't remember the times when things like Bonobo or Orbit were supposed to revolutionize the free desktop. Then came KDE2 along with Kparts and DCOP technologies, making true what others had only hyped. I don't expect it will be different this time, since the KDE project has a tradition of delivering what was promised. The only thing I fear it will not be in KDE4 will be Tenor, since Scott Wheeler has already stated he doesn't know if he will be working on it, but I bet Plasma will be in KDE4.
In my experience, with enough RAM anything over 1Ghz is more than enough to run KDE comfortably. And now, we even know KDE's memory requirements are not so high as many claimed them to be:
http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/
Actually, only KDE has a choice of philosophy. For Gnome it's the only way since they don't have the technology to follow KDE's steps and compete with them on those grounds.
But those aren't "many issues". They are just different sides of the same one: out of the box package management in Suse is terrible. As I've said on my first post, those are solvable easily just by installing Smart. I'm not claiming it's perfect, but it has certainly worked for me and it has make Suse usable on my desktop. BTW, I don't think divX or MP3 are playable out of the box on Mandriva either ( at least on the OpenSource edition, if it still is called something like that ).
I agree with you, what Novell did to Suse 10.1 is just unforgivable. I've known many users that have been Suse users for years and have ended up abandoning Suse because of Novell's mistakes. Anyway, the thing is Suse 10.1 is a really nice distribution if we ignore the zmd/zen issues, and solving that is a matter of minutes so I thought you might be interested in giving it another chance.
:)
I've personally never found a distribution that I liked out of the box, so as they say: pick your poison
Yes, it's in there, but the last time I looked it was barely informative. I find this one is much better:
i ng_smart
http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Smart#Install
BTW, Smart comes already included in Suse 10.1, but I'm not sure the included version comes preconfigured with the channels most people are going to need (guru's packages for example) and it's probably outdated anyway, so get the latest version from the URL the susewiki.org wiki provides.
I'd suggest you try again Suse 10.1, but this time throw the zmd/zen and all the Mono crap that Novell is putting on Suse right into the garbage can as quick as possible. Then, install Smart:
;-)
http://labix.org/smart
You're good to go. No dependencies problems, no hassles to install multimedia packages, no trouble updating. Works very nicely for me, at least for now
Yes. And now Gedit has a filelist sidebar (heh!). The things is, you can criticize MS for being late to the game, but if you say almost everything Gnome offers in their new releases has been in KDE for ages, you get a -1. Of course, KDE4 will enlarge the gap once again so Gnome despite all the support it receives is guaranteed to stay behind for a few years at least.
n vironment ), you'll realize Gnome is not even at KDE2 level.
And speaking of KDE4, if you take a look at some of the proposals for Gnome3 ( http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/ObjectModelE
Sure. A terminal embedded in Konqueror for me, please.
>> I disagree. Their KDE userbase IS their existing userbase. While they may pick up more Gnome customers in the future, I doubt that all their KDE fan users are going to jump ship. If they were ever to abandon KDE, it would be the worst publicity story I can possibly imagine.
It's hard to predict the future, so maybe you're right there. You know, I don't mind them improving their GTK support. Though I personally think Gnome it's far, far inferior to KDE's technology, I've very little against it and I understand some people like it better, so if they can provide a good experience for both desktops, that's alright.
In fact, I don't believe Novell's intentions are clear about dropping KDE right now. No, what I think is that it will come a day when they, as a business, will be forced to drop KDE because they're spending too much resources into something that is not their core business. And if SLED10 has made something clear, is that their enterprise desktop with which they are supposed to make money is not going to have something to do with KDE at all.
"Novell is putting more effort into Gnome because it DID listen to its users and customers."
No. Novell is _still_ putting efforts into KDE because actual customers (Suse customers) demanded it. No one asked for Gnome.
"KDE is great if you love to customize, but Gnome just works, when alot of the time you have to edit settings to get KDE to work right"
That's typical Gnome bullshit. Even if it was true, that job would be up to Novell, not the user.
All right, Novell, here's my contribution to Open Source and Suse in particular:
I just tell everyone to get rid of the zen/zmd crap and install Smart ( http://labix.org/smart ). This way, they can also enjoy one of the best distributions available today, only held back by your stupid screw-ups.
When you use KDE as a desktop, no, Firefox is far from a proper browser. And the fact that Konqueror is a shell to many things has nothing to do with the quality of KHTML rendering anyway. The point is using Firefox on KDE throws by the window all the feeling you have that you're using an integrated, coherent desktop.
I think Firefox should be installed though as a second browser for those sites that do not render properly on Konqueror... just as many users used to fire up IE whenever Firefox didn't get it right, and this situation was not infrequent when Firefox was not as popular as it is now. I didn't hear many here claiming back then that Firefox was a piece of shit and to stick to IE because of that.
Are you telling me I could use my computer for something else? Now I'm confused.
Not everyone is a hard-gamer. If it is good enough to have decent OpenGL performance and it's valid for XGL, then choosing it because of open source drivers would be a no brainer. And I'm sure many others will agree.
Of course. It's wonderful Firefox works like shit in one of the two major UNIX desktops. Say what you will about Windows, but there this has been a non-issue for years.
I haven't looked into Qt themes, but regarding SVG...
>> The addition of a Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) icon engine enables icons to be created from pictures in this vector graphics format.
http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qt4-2-intro.html
And of course, resizable dialog windows are possible in Qt since the dawn of time. Not only that, they work wonderfully. Trolltech has done quite a good job with its layout managers.
The truth is Qt 4 and specially Qt 4.2 are far, far ahead of GTK, like it or not.
Sigh. Have you ever seen a complete novice using a computer? They don't find drag and drop exactly 'easy'.
No, you're not the only one. I would like Vista to be a good OS, because frankly, I think it is only bad for everyone if it turns out to be a disaster.
As an open source supporter, I hope Linux succeeds on the desktop and takes marketshare away from Windows, but not because of Windows failures but by Linux's own merits.
Sure, that must be the reason
r table_firefox
:-) )
http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/browsers/po
It comes with me everywhere I go (well, almost
How's holding, then triggering expose, then releasing, then moving the picture to where you want it to be more logical than just clicking on "save as..."? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get it.
Yeah... I wonder what the world used before Ubuntu existed. Oh, wait, computers did not existe before Ubuntu!
That's it. At last you get the purpose of slashdot! ;)