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Ars's Skeptical Take on Wired's NextFest

jamestech writes "Over the weekend, Wired magazine held its 'NextFest' in Chicago, a demonstration of what the future supposedly holds. Arstechnica's Hannibal visited NextFest, and was not impressed. Regarding a dolphin-shaped water vehicle and exoskeletons for the old, he notes, 'if you're being pursued by a senior citizen then you can use the dolphin to escape.' Wired's been more about style rather than tech since the late 90s, but have they finally dropped science in favor of science fiction?"

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  1. Zombie dog is our future by nokilli · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or rather, zombie dog points the way to the future.

    Seriously, the world is so fucked up today that I'm actually considering having myself exsanguinated and pumped full of near-freezing saline solution just for the chance of really seeing the future -- the really cool and distant future -- and not Wired magazine's take on it.

    I'm hoping for a Star Trek spin-off, only with virtual immortality and holodecks with locks on the doors so you can't be interrupted (self-cleaning would be nice too.)

    There may be something like only a one-in-a-million chance of success, but hey, if it works, it would be unbelievably excellent.

    Besides, I figure civilization's chances aren't much better.

    (and If I chicken out, I can alway use the cooling system for my homebuilt PC.)

    1. Re:Zombie dog is our future by /ASCII · · Score: 3, Informative

      In my mind, Ars Technica has mainly written articles on two subjects that have had some influence. Spatial browsing and the PS2.

      I have heard that the Nautilus developers where inspired by this article when implementing the new spatial scheme in Nautilus. While I'm not sure John Siracusa is very impressed with Nautilus, it is still a testament to the articles importance.

      This set of articles describing the design of the PS2 is one of the few overviews of the PS2 architecture available for free on the web, and thus an important resource for people hacking on their PS2 Linux kits.

      Ars may not be the most important site on the net, but in my opinion they have _more_ than their fair share of original content.

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      Try out fish, the friendly interactive shell.
  2. Yes by amcdiarmid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wired has gone the way of Red Herring. They just don't know it yet. Perhaps they are going to try to reincarnate as Asmov's Science Fiction.

    1. Re:Yes by bman08 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I find Wired fully relevant, man. There's nothing that makes me feel more at home here in the future than kicking back in my egg shaped acrylic chair wearing a silver jumpsuit with a primary colored chevron on the front and counting the number of times they describe something non-computer related as a 'distributed network'. That, my friends, is not tired or expired... it is wired. yea verily.

  3. Eye Candy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wired has been more eye candy than anything else as long as I've read it

    1. Re:Eye Candy by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But you keep reading, so why should they change?

  4. Innovation by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems to me that innovation has been lacking lately... there is not a lot to report for 'NextFest' as it were.... at least nothing commercially exciting .... not like black boxes in automobiles, or search engines that really do know what sites you want to see, or maybe RSS in Longhorn...

    Geeez, with the amount of innovation being reported in the daily news on almost every major information provider's site, what was the point of NextFest? Its not like you can't turn on the television and find out about the latest in technology...

    As I write, there is some story on television about the lineman who now has bionic arms... what were the NextFest promoters thinking?

  5. I for one welcome... by ScaryMonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    "You do not want to incur the wrath of our robotically enhanced, geriatric overlords." Damn! He beat us to it!

    1. Re:I for one welcome... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Funny

      there was a long line of people waiting to go through that checkpoint and be checked for bomb residue

      Why would you need to check for that? Wouldn't bomb residue just be a big pile of broken stuff and some nasty pink smears?

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      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
  6. Wired is Tired by winkydink · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hadn't read Wired for many years. I recently "inherited" a subscription from a departed co-worker. The magazine has become a total entertainment rag. I spend less time on an issue of Wired than I do on an issue of Information Week (and it comes out 4 times as often!).

    Buy Wired? Nuh-uh.

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    "I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey

    1. Re:Wired is Tired by billmil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      IMO Wired is the "popular science for a new generation." Now that it's recovered from its New Economy religious fervor (circa 1999), it's quality has IMHO dramatically improved: the articles are (mostly) sensible and high quality and they've upped the gagdetry reporting. It's the place to go to see "what's new." ("what's new" is a longstanding feature of Popular Science).

      Yes, the "Tired vs. Wired" tastemaking stuff is passe, but for .80 US dollars an issue, it's very cheap. (And the $10 NextFest admission included a 12 month subscription). I think it's a lot of fun per buck.

    2. Re:Wired is Tired by DiggerDan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sure, Wired is full of ads. And some articles weigh heavy on the entertainment industry. But it also provides some of the *best* writing on technology that any magazine has to offer.

      Case in point, this article from the April 2005 issue:
      La Vida Robot
      How four underdogs from the mean streets of Phoenix took on the best from M.I.T. in the national underwater bot championship.

      http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.04/robot.htm l

      Take 15 minutes and read this. It is an amazing story, and extremely well written.

  7. A quick clarification by Hannibal_Ars · · Score: 5, Informative

    There was some Wired bashing in the related Ars thread that I didn't really agree with, and it looks like that theme has been picked up by the slashdot poster. Just to clarify before this degenerates into a pile-on, this article was intended as sardonic, tongue-in-cheek humor. It wasn't intended as a slam on Wired or as a slam on any of the engineers whose hard work I ridiculed mercilessly. If it was a slam on anything, it was a slam on The Future, which has never really been all that it's cracked up to be.

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    1. Re:A quick clarification by dcobbler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I suspect "Wired bashing" is a pretty easy piss for this crowd as it might likely be for the Ars crowd.

      That said, I do get pretty tired of the "won't the future be greeeeaaaat!" boosterism in Wired (and elsewhere). But I've got V.1 #6 (or something like that, I'm too lazy to dig it out and look) and I'm still a sucker for their style and, before some wise guy pipes up, yeah, I keep reading it more often than not.

      Ciao, dcobbler

    2. Re:A quick clarification by jefmes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed, I feel the same way about the mag. True there's a lot of flash there too, but it's still a good place to see interesting stuff coming down the pipe and is often a good, light read.

  8. I think you guys are missing the point here... by Audent · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's not about what's practical, what's available today, what's cool (how many MP3 player stories do you want to read?), it's about the FUTURE and unfortunately it's not going to be rocket backpacks, cities under the sea and moonbases.

    It's going to be about taxes, regulatory regimes, investment timetables and all the other boring crap we put up with today...

    I'm happy to see someone like Wired still trying to convince us that the future is bright (the dolphin is seriously cool, by the way) but I for one am giving up hope of believing it.

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    I am a leaf on the wind
    1. Re:I think you guys are missing the point here... by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, that's the problem with revolutions isn't it. If you can predict them, so can the people who have a vested interest in quashing them. Had Microsoft recognised that threat of open source back in '91 they would have crushed it then and there. As such, any well published prediction of revolutionary technology, people or philosophy is likely to be quashed. Therefore the only predictions of the future that can be accurate are the ones that re-enforce the status quo.

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      How we know is more important than what we know.
  9. Isn't it obvious? by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The guy was obviously in a pissy mood. I mean, come one, robotic exoskeletons for the elderly (a bit like that Centurions cartoon that used to be on TV) and he didn't see anything interesting or exciting? Did he have anything more to say about the Dolphin-shaped craft other than the shape reminded him of a dolphin? What about some actual information about what was going on at the show instead of trying to be funny with stupid tales of escaping by water when exeskeleton-enhanced geriatrics chasing after him? Maybe he should have taken some Alka Seltzer for his hangover. Nothing is as easy to spot as an article that's been written by someone in a bad mood, with a hangover, or both. Sheesh!

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    Drill baby drill - on Mars
    1. Re:Isn't it obvious? by sean23007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think that was the (perhaps unintentional) point of the article. I went to NextFest myself, and there was no actual information there. Next to each item on display, there was a piece of paper taped up with a one paragraph description of what the thing is and why it and the company that made it are great. Next to each paragraph was a salesperson who, when you ask a question about the product, would kindly read the paragraph to you.

      Don't criticize Hannibal for not pumping a lot of information into this article. There wasn't any to begin with. It would have been pretty unfair of him to have created it, or made it up, or done the research on each of these items and posted about that. There just wasn't anything good to write about. NextFext seemed to be designed as an ad. You can't write about ads. The only thing you can do is decide whether or not you want to buy the product. And clearly, he doesn't want to.

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      Lack of eloquence does not denote lack of intelligence, though they often coincide.
  10. Wired 2005 = Omni 1985? by mikeophile · · Score: 3, Insightful

    God I hope so. I loved that magazine.

  11. The irony of it by Zaffo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's hard to say Wired is lacking anything when it never actually promised something in the first place. The magazine has no mission statement. It accepts contributions from anyone, anywhere. By that fact, Wired could be considered a reflection of our digital lifestyle, and if we don't particularly care for what we see...

  12. NextFest offered great glimpses, unusual mixes by billmil · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The naysayers are wrong. NextFest was a lot of fun. It was like a science museum on steroids--with real live engineers and scientists there to answer your questions. The Nasa exhibit rocked--especially since the mars-rover programmers were there. Yes, it was subsidized by and represented the military-industrial complex, but that subsidy allowed the art-and-design institutes, the grad students, and even high schoolers to participate.

    Here's a copy of my original post from last weekend. I don't think people fully appreciated the wealth of talent that was present:

    I spent yesterday at NextFest and had really interesting conversations with the scientists and engineers behind the technologies. Whereas most trade shows have marketing-folk, NextFest had the "real deal" folks there. Conversing with them about their projects was quite easy:

    Example interesting conversations:
    * Electrical Engineers from Sweden working on innovative devices for monitoring power use
    * Doctoral CS candidates preseting their thesis projects.
    * Art/Design professors from Tokyo and Vienna working on interactive media projects.

    * Undergrads from Dublin working on a video game (controlled by breath) which they found equally popular with boys and girls.
    * The Mars Rover programmers were there. (I didn't get a chance to talk w/ them, however, but could have).
    * The La Vida Robot guys and their teacher (who bested MIT in the underwater bot contest).

  13. Wired bashing, how original... by Tenken · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And I'm not talking about the article-- since when has it been hip to bash on Wired? I suppose it's one of those things the tech elite (or ignorant /.'ers) like to do because it reassures them of their status, or perhaps it's mere bandwagon jumping. What exactly is wrong with the magazine? (And give me something more original than the bad layout one liners) I've had a subscription for several years, and have always found the magazine a worthwhile read. Sure alot of the stuff we already learn from online publications and news sites, but then the magazine offers enough original material to warrant its existence. They're also different than they were a few years ago because of the increasing number of free tech-sites online. Sure they sometimes take a look at the tech of pop-culture, but this may have to do with the increasing adoption of technology in the public realm. This past issue they had an article on Spielberg's "War of the Worlds", and last issue they covered Lucas-- how is this not relevant to the discussion of technology and geek-culture? Both are revolutionary directors who, despite their occasional misteps and flaws, consistently push the art of film-making and its use of technology. Anyone who has actually read a recent issue of Wired and found nothing of value can't deny that the magazine offers something of value, especially in a world where we see decreasig numbers of hard-technology publications. After all, if Wired were as useless as some of you say it is, why do we keep featuring Wired stories on Slashdot?

    1. Re:Wired bashing, how original... by Gulthek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My wife and I have a subscription to Wired. Every month when an issue arrives (just got the remix issue yesterday!) we spend a few days discussing all the cool articles. Inevitably we always remark on how consistently good the magazine is.

      Let's look at some cool bits in the past months:

      November 2004: Wired came with a cd containing songs all distributed with the creative commons share and share alike license! Want to remix some Beastie Boys and Danger Mouse?

      December 2004: Awesome issue on the present state and future of exploration.

      April 2005: Hybrid cars, a good article on China, an awesome article on Robert Rodriguez.

      I could go on, but suffice to say that the magazine consistently puts out well researched and quality articles.

      * Wired reader since 1994

    2. Re:Wired bashing, how original... by rvega · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What exactly is wrong with the magazine?

      I'm a current (and longtime) subscriber, and what I find wrong with Wired is more akin to the unnerving foibles of a loved one that make you grind your teeth but grin and bear it. Two things come to mind.

      First, their attempts to hip up their prose can wear pretty thin. If you have to mention the same object again and again in an article, it's good to introduce some variety by using synonyms. But at Wired, they go right for the hip slang: If they need to mention shoes, they'll have to say "togs" (and, for a year or so, almost every issue had to mention "Prada" specifically.) I wish I had a copy with me now, I'm sure I could easily find ten instances of cool, slangy substitutes for day-to-day words that would have sounded fine. It's just a bit much.

      My second complaint is about their coverage of weapons and war and how they paint these topics with the same glib strokes as VoIP, robotics or ecommerce. I remember a letter they (admirably) printed once in which the writer mock-praised them, "Way to jump on the death-dealing bandwagon!" Yeah, murdering people is great, and the tools that let you do it more efficiently are totally wired. I've duly informed the editor of my views, as a subscriber, for what they're worth (which is to say, I don't just bitch about them on Slashdot.)

      Still, I mostly love the magazine. The "Infoporn" layouts can be amazing. However, for a good review of technology, I prefer The Economist's "Technology Quarterly" issue. You get a good survey of recent trends and research with a thoughtful analysis of what impact these might have. Plus, The Economist covers weapons and war with all the sobriety they deserve.

  14. Check those links.... by puppetman · · Score: 2, Informative

    The link to Arstechnica (http://arstechnica.net/) is not really to the correct site, Arstechnica...

    Instead, you'll get a parked domain rife with popups.

  15. Re:Wired 2005 = Omni 1985? - BLASPHEMER! by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do not commit such blasphemy as to compare Omni with that magazine which does not deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Omni!

    Omni was a magazine of the thinking man.

    Wired always was "Ohh, look at us! We are so tragically hip we cannot see over our own pelvis! Look at this game, which you cannot hope to afford the computer to run! Bow before the computer we use to run it! Look at the trends which shall be cool, because we say they are cool! Spend hours reading our tripe because we hide our vacuousness behind insane color choices and bizarre layouts! You are honored just to pay us money!"

    Sorry, Wired is to a real magazine what MTV is to real entertainment.

  16. Pictures! by springbox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Pictures from the 2005 event.
    Information and pictures from the 2004 event.

  17. Future predictions are always science fiction by Solr_Flare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now sometimes that fiction becomes fact, but in no small part it is because either:

    A) Someone states something completely obvious like "Television will change the way people see the world".

    or

    B) People find certain science fiction concepts so cool, they try to make new technologies emulate the fiction. A good example of this? Star Trek and Cell phones. No, Star Trek didn't create cell phones, but it certainly influenced their direction and design.

    Pop culture does that to all aspects. Something becomes engrained and "natural" to us. So we make that idea a reality.

    But, no one can predict the future. You can guess of course, and the ones who get lucky tend to be the rich/successful ones. But more often than not people just guess wrong, in no small part because when you guess the future, you are focusing on one single(or maybea handful of things) and assuming that these things will evolve in a vaccum without outside influence. Problem is, very few things evolve in a vaccum, and the wants and needs of a culture change over time too.

    All inventions and technology are created to fill a need(be it entertainment, travel, communication, etc). People change, needs change, making the future impossible to ever predict.

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    You are who you are, let no one tell you different. But, never close your mind to a new point of view.
  18. Fry, you'll still be just a delivery boy... by refactored · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and the girls still won't date you.

  19. I was at NextFest by redcone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was at the NextFest and was familiar with a lot of the technology being presented. Seeing it in the real world is a lot different than reading about it or seeing it on TV. Compare your live to that of the average citizen of a century or two ago and you get a sense of how much technology and science has shaped our lives. But if your standard of comparison is not reality but the Jetsons, or Star Trek then yes, NextFest would seem rather ordinary.

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    http://redcone.net
  20. What is Moller doing at that place? by technoextreme · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why do pepole talk to this person? Why do people invite this person who is under investigation by the SEC? Why? Why? Why? Here is a popular science article about the person and his company. Sigh...... http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,20 967,1006786,00.html

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    Ooo man the floppy drive is broken. No wait. The computer is just upside down.
  21. Don't mock style. by s20451 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Style is not irrelevant. Portable MP3 players have been around for years. Yet what really popularized them? The stylish iPod.

    Fashion has more to do with the future than most geeks are prepared to admit. And, as a recent NYT article pointed out (can't find the link), tech jobs are fleeing the country like rats from a sinking ship, but most of the major artistic design firms -- the ones who put the pretty boxes around the circuits -- are still in NY, LA, Chicago, etc.

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  22. It's a deliberate and calculated strategy by CousinLarry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Went to a small round table once ~2002 with a newly appointed senior editor at wired who had been brought in from New York Magazine to overhaul the magazine's image and style content strategy. This was just when the mag went to the new format with lots of short, punchy briefs, product matrices and gizmo reviews (and right after they dropped the 3-4 page graphic intro that was ad-dead). He explained that this format tested better with a wider audience than the more geeky tech format (my memory, not his words). This was in no small part precipated by Conde Nast's purchase of the mag.

    it's ok though with mags like MAKE taking their place and publishers like O'Reilly staying true to their tech demographic. Hopefully their success will inspire investments in more daring technology coverage.

  23. As long as they keep promising flying cars... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Funny

    As long as they keep promising flying cars, I'll keep buying Wired's vision of the future.

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    You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
  24. Yes, but... by BobVila · · Score: 3, Funny

    do the dolphins have lasers?

  25. You lost me on the treadmill... by wandazulu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think the oddest idea was the treadmill cum mouse. There was a girl exerting not a little effort while turning what appeared to be bike handles and running around quake 2. The saleslady said that you could even use it to browse the web. I guess the treadmill would also act as the mouse wheel.

    But what was baffling was that they weren't promoting it as any kind of exercise equipment; the fellow I talked to even discouraged it, saying that it wasn't built the same way as one in the gym.

    The *real* kicker, though, was when I asked how you would move side to side. I figured the handlebars would move on a rail, but the guy insisted, with a certain amount of misplaced pride, that it would be a button on the handlebars, and then using the treadmill to do the actual movement.

    I'm a very meek, little person, so it has to be a dumb enough idea for me to tell someone, to their face, that is the most stupid idea I'd ever heard of. Good to know the future is filled with as many useless gadgets as the present.