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Xorg and Desktop Eyecandy
BonoLeBonobo writes "Xorg is going to include a new acceleration architecture which will help desktops to have better eye-candy effects thanks to a better XRender, thus composite, acceleration. Developped by Zack Rusin, a KDE and Qt developper, this new feature should be present in Xorg in September. Porting the existing drivers to this new acceleration architecture should be easy."
Start an X12 already. Why add all this crap to this ancient X11R--what--6? I really don't understand.
An article about Desktop Eye Candy which has no screen shots to show off said, "Eye Candy"....
Some one find some screen shots or we will have nothing to talk about.
... a firefox which would take less than 160 MB of RAM, an Openoffice.org which would take less than 150 MB, an X.org which would take less than 100 MB.
And so on.
.. with hardware acceleration, the NVidia drivers will probably be the first available with the support. Meanwhile the ATI and other FLOSS drivers will implement it about 8 months later.
There are some situations in which sponsored closed software wins every time, and one of those is hardware drivers. When a new API is released, a team of paid developers that know your hardware inside and out (because they work for the company that design it) will do a better job of porting their code quickly, and will be able t o do it much faster.
I don't really care how much slashdot fanboys rant about NVidia, the people who actually use high-end video cards in Linux know the truth - NVidia is and has always been oders of magnitude above the rest.
They can keep the drivers closed till hell freezes over for all I care - they work, they work great, they have more frequent stable updates with bugfixes and new features than any FLOSS drivers I know of.
guess people have weird priorities in the linux world. adding bloat and gimmicks isnt fixing the user friendliness problems.
To hell with the eye candy, why don't they worry about making dual monitor support as easy as it currently is in M$ OS's.
I would much perfer that over more "eyecandy"
Its not just pure eye candy , Though Eye candy really does help in the home market.If they have improved the composite rendering engine i would hope that the desktop environments will take less resources. ,KDE can be a great working environment and gnome also (depends on your tastes , i can set up KDE to feel slightly more like OS X so i mainly stick with KDE)
I never understood why people find DEs like Gnome or KDE hard to use anyway or even poor , if set up properly
All you need to do is to Burma shave some of the options and your flying , KDE for me is a far better working environment than windows .
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Actually I'd be satisfied with a Firefox that doesn't leak all over the place... I've got plenty of memory, but that doesn't help much when Firefox keeps growing until everything grinds to a halt swapping, so I have to restart it every day or so.
Seriously If you wish to post something insightful/informative, don't start it with..."I'll probably get moded down". Don't uderestimate others' ability to mod correctly or atleast meta mod correctly.
And no I am not new here.
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
actually this is not as much of a waste of resources as you might think. Almost every desktop has some kind of hardware acceleration. It really is about time that X started to use it. Apple of course is using it in OS/X Microsoft will use it in Longhorn. Why not use it in X?
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Start an X12 already. Why add all this crap to this ancient X11R--what--6? I really don't understand.
I agree. I don't understand all those idiots who have stereos with volume controls that only go up to "10"
Mine goes up to "11", for when I need that extra umph.
On a serious note, X11 remains X11 because its core hasn't changed (or needed to change) in many years. R7 will add some nice features, features some of us have been waiting a long time for, but none of those features requires a redesign of X11 (which goes to show how flexible and well designed X11 is), so there is no need to increment X11 to X12 . . . unless you really are just looking to turn the volume up to "11", or in this case, "12".
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if it's any consolation, the new render acceleration architecture will accelerate desktops with little to no eyecandy, too.
Inconceivable!
Maybe it worked, maybe it didn't. When was the last time you saw a can of Burma Shave on the store shelf? :)
Eye Candy is not always bad. For example shadows under the windows and semitransperance helps the eye understand where the data is in a more realistic environment. Animations help the eye follow where the data is going.
For example on Max OS when you minimize a Window it does a fancy dgeni efect which allows your eyes know that the window just didn't go away but it shrunk into a spot on the dock. While the boxes on linux and windows does a simular thing the Mac method makes it more percises that you know the application is still running it is just smaller, while the linux and windows way makes a person feel the application has stopped when it was minimized.
Semi-Transparencies are good to. It help the person realize there is something under your window. There are a lot of times when an App is open and an other windows is on top of it and you don't know it is there.
Eyecandy when used correctly is not a waist of processing for trivial things but actually an important key in having people understand the environment.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
This poster has a valid point.
Xorg crashes my machine on switching from X to a text VC.
This bug is well known and serious - all eye candy and other non-essentials should wait until this and other serious bugs are fixed.
Qaulity before features.
If I wanted it the other way around, I know where to buy Windows.
Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
I'd much rather see fonts that don't suck on LCD monitors than eye candy. I can do without shadows and showy effects, but not without clean, clear fonts.
I'm writing this from a machine with a 1600x1200 Dell 2001FP monitor, and an ATI Radeon 9200SE, connected with DVI running X.Org version 6.8.2. I have never, ever been able to get decent fonts with XFree86 or X.org. The fonts are either too jagged without antialiasing, or too blurry with it.
I have wasted hour after hour following various FAQs, playing with antialiasing, autohinting, and subpixel rendering in my ~/.fonts.conf. I have installed the Bitstream Vera fonts. I have sacrificed a goat and done a rain dance. And still, all those fonts look so blurry that I feel like I'm going blind.
Thinking that it was something about the Radeon, I tried an NVidia 5200 with the commercial NVidia drivers. No joy. I've also tried the ATI fglrx drivers for the Radeon. No joy.
Yet when I plug in my Apple Powerbook, OSX makes the fonts clear and legible, so it must be possible to drive the LCD monitor correctly.
Just ask Nvidia, Xorg people can do nothing to fix Nvidia drivers problems.
Wondering why i am doing so strange posts? I am trying to get a "+5,Flamebait" or "-1,Insightful" rating.
POST: I wish feature XYZ would work on my machine...
RESPONSE: Works fine for me, you idiot...
Some settling may occur during posting.
This happens when you don't use the native resolution of the screen in your X server (1600x1200 in your case), because the screen has to resize the image before displaying.
s/Linux/Gentoo/
Of course, you were just trolling.
Chances are, the folks that are implementing this eye candy and not the ones that could / want to fix bugs - this stuff is pretty parallel, so I don't think these people working on acceleration will prevent others from fixing bugs. -Neil
This guy makes a new acceleration architecture, and 90% of the comments here on what this guy is supposed to be doing instead.
He should be making X more stable, he should be making RenderExcel work correctly with the nvidia X server, he should be making the composit manager more stable, he should be making copy and paste work between gnome and KDE...
Well guess what? He doesn't work for Nvidia, so he can't help your RenderExcel problems. He decided instead to make a new acceleration architecture....
Just because YOU don't need more then a Pentium II 233 Mhz doesn't mean the REST OF US shouldn't be allowed to buy an Athlon FX-57 or whatever new thing is out. Just because YOU don't need more then 640K of memory (And really, who in their right mind would) doesn't mean the REST OF US aren't allowed to enjoy the greater then 4 gb a 64-bit architecture offers us.
Just because you DON'T LIKE eye candy, doesn't mean the rest of us aren't allowed to enjoy the computer hardware WE have.
You think this guy wasted his time? Learn to code, show him where his time is better spent. Don't jump down his throat for being gracious enough to release his work into the public domain for the REST OF US to enjoy.
Honestly, slashdot seems at first to be about innovation, true competition and letting the best technology win. Progress. Advancement. But every story that talks about a faster CPU, or multiple cores, more memory, expensive video cards, etc is met with "My 486 runs linux command prompt just fine, so only losers with more money then sense will waste either on this."
No you didn't. You said that you tried a few things but completely left out how you tried to go about them. Maybe your attempts were misguided and you missed the obvious solution? If the grandparent used the same method to configure two different operating systems on two different pieces of hardware, maybe he's on to something that you're overlooking.
Just because you're less bad than 19/20 of entrants in a particular contest not related to the subject at hand doesn't mean that you're an expert on this topic.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?