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First Picture of new Motorola iTunes Phone?

swissfondue writes "macprime.ch. is reporting a link to a pdf presentation by Motorola's North Asia manager Michael Tatelman, VP and GM Mobile devices, made on 21 June 2005 to analysts of Morgan Stanley in Beijing. Page 15 of the presentation shows a picture of a yet unknown Motorola phone playing iTunes visualizer, with the usual Apple logo. The silhouette of the phone is not in RAZR style, but in PEBL. It seems to also be featuring a scroll wheel."

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  1. So... by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    if you get put on hold you can listen to your own music instead of theirs?

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  2. Kind of ugly IMO by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That doesn't really look like any kind of phone that I'd want to be carrying around.

    Perhaps this is Apple's answer to people saying cell phones are poised to serve as MP3 players and music downloading devices. Since Apple isn't in the mobile phone business, this might be a way to get their brand name out there even more and to keep some of their market dominance.

  3. An iTunes phone would be great... by Unloaded · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but the carriers won't sell it because they all want the content piece of the revenue stream. They're convinced that they can get you to buy into a plan that has you downloading songs from their service, while they charge you airtime for browsing and downloading, on top of the price per song.

    No thanks.

    1. Re:An iTunes phone would be great... by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're convinced that they can get you to buy into a plan that has you downloading songs from their service, while they charge you airtime for browsing and downloading, on top of the price per song.

      They're convinced because people do it. Ringtones, applications, and stupid games for mobile phones is a billion+ dollar a year industry.

      For 30 second ringtones with crappy quality, T-mobile gets to charge $1.25+ each and people buy into it!

      I'll be more worried when they realize that they could make even more money by charging you to put your phone on buzz.

    2. Re:An iTunes phone would be great... by DaHat · · Score: 2, Informative

      And Verizon locks out your memory card (ala V710), preventing you from transferring custom ringtones from your PC to encourage you to send them via their network as an attachment... gaining them 25 cents a pop.

    3. Re:An iTunes phone would be great... by Panaphonix · · Score: 2, Informative
    4. Re:An iTunes phone would be great... by MouseR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anyone who purchases a song via a phone, given carrier restrictions & fees, ought to be aligned against a wall ans slapped (or microwaved).

      But the point of this phone is to merge your phone and music device in one. As a die-hard Mac fan as I can be, I still dont own an iPod because I feel the product lacks features. I mean, it's a portable drive that plays music. Oh wait, you can *view* contacts and limited calendar entries, buut that's it. My phone does all that, better, minus the music playback and disk mode.

      Given this "iPhone" can sync with a Mac (and a peesea) and work in disk mode, I have an iPod Shuffle -class player PLUS color screen and the full gadgetry of a typical cell phone.

      presumably (given the latest release), synching will be handled through iTunes ratter than iSync, wich makes some sense given iTines is available on both Macs and peeseas.

      Show me this iPhone thing and I'm an instant buyer (and will have a phone to sell), regardless of who makes it.

    5. Re:An iTunes phone would be great... by bonehead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Simple, they have the hardware manufacturer include a "feature" to notify the network whenever vibrate mode is enabled, then bill you accordingly.

      Considering the degree to which the carriers have managed to get Bluetooth (a hardware feature) crippled, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine them getting the manufacturers to add this functionality to the hardware.

    6. Re:An iTunes phone would be great... by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My Motorola 810 has the ability to synch with my computer via software from Motorola. Alsthough certain models allow the trasnfer of multimedeia, it is a disabled function on the v810. Why? According to Motorola, the vendor (US Cellular) requested that the data be unavailable so that all photos taken and any multimedeia apps be transferred through their EasyEdge(tm) service.

      I have a camera phone which can take pictures, but which cannot send them anywhere to be viewed/transferred/printed without a $0.25/image fee, in addition to the $5.95 per month EasyEdge service fee. All because US Cellular is greedy.

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  4. Famous sayings? by nharmon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "I will never combine an iPod with a cell phone" - Steve Jobs.

    "There will never be unions in my plants" - Henry Ford.

    1. Re:Famous sayings? by fanblade · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, technically he's got a way out. This isn't an iPod. It's a cell phone that sports a mobile version of iTunes (iPods don't run iTunes).

    2. Re:Famous sayings? by Reverberant · · Score: 2

      When did Jobs say that? Link?

    3. Re:Famous sayings? by TimTheFoolMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know... mine rests underneath my shirtsleeve on my armband, and I'm able to easily switch tracks, pause, and adjust volume without even thinking about it. The variation of the scroll wheel is *very* simple to use.

      In contrast, I see people all over the gym dorking around with other players, and not just so they can try to read the tiny displays.

      Tim

  5. Microsoft's Prediction... by LegendOfLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Didn't Bill Gates predict the fall of the iPod with an MP3-enabled phone?

    Looks like Apple is going to beat them to the punch once again.

  6. Engadget by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Engadget reported the same thing yesterday with a pic and it's even in English.

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  7. Re:Public Danger... by daniil · · Score: 3, Funny
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  8. Also on AppleInsider by deepstephen · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's also on AppleInsider.

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  9. A scroll wheel? by mcc · · Score: 4, Funny

    So... in other words it's... a rotary phone?

    :O

    1. Re:A scroll wheel? by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hey, don't knock it -- that might actually work better, since a lot of calls are made by scrolling through an address book instead of punching in numbers.

      Plus, it'd be cool. : D

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    2. Re:A scroll wheel? by takotech · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,62356,00.html

      Sorry about the flash. This phone has no digits, only a scroll wheel. $600.

  10. Re:No Games by savagedome · · Score: 4, Funny

    >> Wait, how do I dial a phone that only has one butan?

    Don't worry. It's a special Apple BUTAN. All you have to do is to hold down the button and think of the person you are dialing. The BUTAN does it for you. All bow to the BUTAN!

  11. Geek Candy Bars by DanielMarkham · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the middle of the presentation there's a slide titled "Changing the Game in Candy Bars" with some cool phones in the background.
    These are some really hot products. I wish I had these guys on-board last time I did a demo to a client! But I wonder if cell phones are the new candy bars for geeks?
    Candy bars, I would guess, are a fairly stable commodity. A Mars bar last year is going to be the same as this year. Eye candy, sure, but not candy bars.
    Will all that consumer production value, it makes you wonder how much these companies actually pay product designers to keep new stuff churning out. There's got to be a lot of money in that business. Everybody's getting into it.

    Love Boat Meets Santa's Workshop?

    1. Re:Geek Candy Bars by Otter · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Candy bar" refers to a non-folding phone design.

    2. Re:Geek Candy Bars by radish · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Candy Bar" is the term used in the industry for phones which don't fold or bend or twist or anything else, like most Nokias.

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  12. Looks real but... by RavenChild · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All it might be is a phone with a circle drawn and a vis from iTunes slapped onto the screen. Also notice the placement on the keypad, it lacks numbers and also the placement of the wheel might hinder the use of the keys.

  13. What happened to basic phones? by strongmace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know I, my family, and many of my friends, do not need these super tricked out phones. We do not need games, dozens of ringtones, video playback, cameras, or mp3 players in our phones.

    All we need is a very basic phone, that has a phone book, maybe voice activated dialing, and voicemail.

    It is getting pretty difficult to find basic cell phones as it is. All the vendors try to press all these phones with extra features that I will never use. Damnit, I dont need my phone to be able to play mp3s. /me grumbles

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    1. Re:What happened to basic phones? by mlk · · Score: 2, Informative

      This comes up on every bloody time. Why? So you don't want it, I like my VNC client and pictures of my 'ickle sis.

      Most phone makers to a "basic" phone (i've no idea how you think of Voice dialing as basic? and voice mail is normally done "serverside").

      However as every monthly offer normally throws in a free phone better than the basic models. So just don't use what you don't like on the free phone.
      Or if its a PAYG, go with the ~£25 Nokia 1100.

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    2. Re:What happened to basic phones? by desolation+angel · · Score: 4, Informative
      What like this one?

      A back-to-basics mobile launched

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    3. Re:What happened to basic phones? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However as every monthly offer normally throws in a free phone better than the basic models. So just don't use what you don't like on the free phone.

      Actually, I agree with the grandparent poster. It is hard to find a simple phone and even if you don't use the functions of a complex phone, it is still harder to use than a basic phone. For example. My last (fairly basic) phone finally died so I bought the simplest and cheapest phone my provider offered. It is a piece of poorly designed crap, and the complexity of unneeded features makes it hard to use. I think this is at least partially intentional.

      The one thing I do more than anything else in my phone is open the phonebook, select an entry, and dial it. On my old phone this was 3 key-presses, two of which were the same key. On my new phone it is nine key-presses, most of which are different keys. The easiest thing to do on my new phone is download new ringtones/color schemes/and pictures all of which cost money and none of which I'm interested in. In fact dropping something on my phone could download a random online item. Maybe this is unintentional, but I doubt it.

      Not using the added features is not a good option if I still have to navigate through a dozen menus to get to the one or two basic features I do use. And anyone will tell you that pushing 9 keys while navigating through a bunch of menus is harder than pushing 3.

      Remember this is the most basic phone still offered by my provider. They don't offer a simple phone not because there is no demand, but because they are hoping to sell you more crap. For the same reason they will not sell itunes phones when released. They already charge a dollar for a crappy midi songs that last 30 seconds. They sure don't want prices for high quality songs to be only a dollar and transferable from your computer because then they would not be able to gouge people who have foolishly become their customers. If only there was a phone provider that was not evil and greedy.

    4. Re:What happened to basic phones? by GauteL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For every news story about a new mobile phone:

      1. Complain that there is no more basic phones
      2. Get moderated +4 Insightful
      3. Profit!

      Come on, this is the same thing every bleeding time a new phone is announced. Get over it already.

      The fact is that it is cheaper for the manufacturers to make a limited selection of models at the same time.

      Features sell phones, so the minimum number of features will always go up.

      For every 1 user that only needs a phone book and voicemail, there is probably 20 that also wants polyphonic ringtones, 10 that wants a colour display and a 100 users that also need text messaging.

      It does not make sense to make every single combination of these phones, so you will either have a phone that is underfeatured or overfeatured.

      If it is underfeatured you will have lost most of your customers. If it is overfeatured the people that need less will still buy it.

    5. Re:What happened to basic phones? by argent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most phone makers to a "basic" phone

      The LG phone I've got is about the most basic one on the list the carrier offered for our area. It's too damn fancy and complex and even if you don't USE the features you're still paying for them in reduced battery life.

      go with the ~£25 Nokia 1100.

      Oh, a pom.

      That explains everything. Look, sunshine, you're in bloody cellphone heaven. Here in the US it's like the third world, except the third bloody world generally has better cellphone service than the US. You don't get a choice of phones when you sign up, you don't usually get to buy a phone and use it with your service because everyone's phones are locked... and not what you guys think of as locked either: there's like four different cellular protocols and most of them don't have any concept of phone portability like GSM does.

      So people who are frustrated by crappy cellphones, they probably don't have any of the options you're talking about. Even PAYG isn't PAYG as you know it.

    6. Re:What happened to basic phones? by argent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For every 1 user that only needs a phone book and voicemail, there is probably 20 that also wants polyphonic ringtones, 10 that wants a colour display and a 100 users that also need text messaging.

      You have the numbers backwards.

      For every 1 user that needs polyphonic ringtones or a a color display, there's 10 who just want a bloody phone. And EVERYONE benefits from longer battery life.

      Text messaging? That's just software. You don't need to build a fancy phone to get text. OK, OK, you can't get text on a 7 segment LED, but that's a bit primitive even for us puritans.

    7. Re:What happened to basic phones? by bonehead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, as much as I despise the Moto V710, I do have to admit that it has AMAZING voice recognition.

      No training, completely speaker independant. It does exactly what you describe. You pick it up, tap a button, say "Call Bob", and it calls Bob.

      In pretty much all other aspects it's a lousy product not deserving of the hype it recieved. Interesting that the one thing it does very well (voice rec) never got any hype at all.

  14. Bah by Khuffie · · Score: 5, Funny
    PEBL? RAZR? SLVR?

    Does no one at Motorola have spell check turned on?

    1. Re:Bah by Rolan · · Score: 3, Funny

      They're just trying to be 1337.

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    2. Re:Bah by nacturation · · Score: 2, Funny

      Plus the "A" in "RAZR" was donated by Apple.

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  15. Nothing like... by llamalicious · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...linking a 6+MB PDF directly. Then posting on the homepage.

    Really, have some compassion Slashdot. :P

  16. Re:Public Danger... by pahles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Great. Now people will be able to talk and listen to music while driving....

    I've always been able to talk while driving. Listening to music isn't that difficult to, just turn on the car stereo.

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  17. Not even sure it's that by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Insightful
    That's a shitty looking phone that someone cut and pasted a screenshot onto in photoshop for a corporate presentation.

    Considering the presentation didn't focus on that at all, or bring any attention to it, I might even believe this is a hoax.

    It's scary that this is all it takes to get a mac rumour going.

    Sadly, this is actually more evidence than usual for a mac rumor.

    1. Re:Not even sure it's that by badasscat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it's a fake, it's a pretty impressive one from what I can see.

      It is almost certainly a fake and it is not very impressive from my point of view.

      The strongest evidence of a fake is that all of the graphics in this presentation are raster, except for this phone, which appears to be vector. Does that make any sense to you? No, not to me either. It's almost as if Motorola would have used one source for all of their images and then a second source for just the image of this phone. Now, you can assume that there'd be some back and forth with Apple or possibly even an outside design agency over this phone, but that still wouldn't explain why this one graphic is in a completely different format than all the others.

      Second, this phone is not a PEBL. The PEBL is a specific model, as is the RAZR. Yet it appears under the heading of "PEBL".

      Third, the design of the phone itself doesn't make any visual sense. Look at it. It's simply a candybar phone that somebody has Photoshopped an ugly green wheel directly on top of. If we're to believe this, there are actually buttons under the scroll wheel.

      Lastly, does this thing look like anything Apple would actually sanction? I mean, seriously. Use your critical thinking skills. Apple has some very rigorous standards for their branding, and they only allow their logos to appear on products that they have approved. Something this big, I can't imagine Steve Jobs himself not being personally involved with. And this does not look like anything either Apple or Jobs would ever allow out there. Not just because it's ugly (though there is that), but it just looks so completely different from their design ethos. Apple is not going to have their first iTunes phone be a mini-Xbox.

      I have no doubt this was a real presentation, but this image was not originally part of it, and it is not a real Motorola phone. If I'm wrong, I will eat my hat.

  18. Re:No Games by Iriel · · Score: 2, Funny

    But Motorola will making the phone, won't that make it a BUTN?

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  19. Great! More Buttons on a Phone! by smug_lisp_weenie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now they actually have to superimpose them on top of each other (note how the scroll pad intersects the number keys)- Don't these designers understand that this is a horrible design?

    It's so obvious what to do: The scroll wheel is great for picking songs and numbers to call out of the address book- For numbers, just use voice recognition: Having a recognizer just for digits works fantastically already- Heck, they wouldn't even have to do the recognition in the handset, but use a central server to handle that part, if it requires too many computrons!

    For crissakes, the whole point of the scroll pad is that it is a versatile input device- The scroll pad is all you need!

  20. Looks fake, but... by Iriel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While the PR from Motorola on this makes it look like nothing but hype for Motorola, it would be an interesting concept to take a stab at. However, M$ plans on making phones that will kill off the iPod, and while I don't think this will happen, a good enough media phone could kill the Shuffle. If Apple plays this right, they could outdate their own shuffle with an enhanced capacity iTunes phone, and destroy Micro$oft's dream at the same time.

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  21. Yeah but.. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does it accept Morse code? :)

  22. "First Picture of new Motorola iTunes Phone?" by anonicon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ya know, when I see incredibly dumb Apple topics like this one, this article immediately springs to mind:

    iProduct.

    1. Re:"First Picture of new Motorola iTunes Phone?" by mbbac · · Score: 2

      Looks like JWZ feel into his own trap now that he is a Mac user.

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  23. Or is it something like this.. by Dynamoo · · Score: 2, Informative
    ..the rumoured Motorola E790 which is at least *white*.


    Look closely though at the two handsets and they are both a very similar layout, apart from the "rotator blob" on the new picture which seems to clash with the keypad.


    The "E790" pictured is basically the E390/E398 platform that has been remixed onto several different handsets already.

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  24. For those that don't want to click and RTFA by Delta-9 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is a Link to a screenshot of page 15 w/ a photo of the phone.

    Mod me however you feel, I don't care.

    1. Re:For those that don't want to click and RTFA by babbage · · Score: 3, Funny

      That thing clearly has too many buttons on it to be an Apple mouse :-)

    2. Re:For those that don't want to click and RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, here is a better link to that image

  25. Re:More famous sayings... by Chmarr · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There's no evidence that Bill ever actually said that. Go on, find the quote.
    Interesting challenge. I did a small amount of research, and couldn't find anything.

    Snopes doesn't even have a 'true' or 'false' on it... perhaps that'd be a good project for them? :)
  26. Razr .vs. PEBL ... by ElitistWhiner · · Score: 2, Informative

    notice the difference? PEBL looks more like a traditional phone than the RAZR StarTREK communicator .but. PEBL is without any signposts from the past.

    No buttons, no dials... PEBL isn't built on the communicator paradigm. US Supreme Court ruled yesterday that the Internet is not a "communications carrier" subject to FCC regs but instead an "information carrier".

    PEBL looks like it skirts the babyBells battle for button pushers, entirely. PEBL will be defined by its software functions and information *abilities* in the vein of RIM's Blackberry. Like Blackberry it will also have a phone but not nearly the quality or functionality of phone as offered by the mainstream Bells.

  27. Re:Talk about a stretch.... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's scary that this is all it takes to get a mac rumour going.

    Maybe. But perhaps it's just sad that Microsoft users don't get nearly as excited by the latest offerings from Redmond. Apple delivers cool stuff and people get excited about that.

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  28. Re:More famous sayings... by timster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know that it's obvious that anyone ever really said it, but Bill Gates certainly didn't play any significant role in determining it.

    What was likely said, and by an IBM engineer, was something along the lines of "a 1MB address space ought to be enough for this personal computer." Keep in mind that the PC was not intended as an architecture that would take over the world and still be around in 25 years. That happened purely by accident.

    The 640K limit for base RAM was a simple consequence of the choice of processor, as the Intel 8086 is limited to a 1MB addressing bus. IBM presumably chose that particular chip because it was reasonably inexpensive and comparable with the CPUs of other personal computers of its day.

    It was much later when Bill Gates came to be a symbol of the PC revolution, and as the most vocal proponent of the PC, it was natural for people to think of him when they encountered its most frustrating limitations. So I can believe him when he says he didn't say it.

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  29. Re:No Games by Jackmon · · Score: 2, Funny

    >> Wait, how do I dial a phone that only has one butan?

    Hmmm... if only there were a way for a phone to choose a number using only a dial.