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Following Bill Gates' Linux Attack Money

UnderScan writes "After researching this material for about three years, Tom Adelstein tracks Microsoft's anti-Linux lobbying money: "Microsoft has unparalleled influence throughout the Federal government. On the cover of a recent edition of VarBusiness Magazine dated June 26, 2005 the editors presented a large headline which read: 'It's A Microsoft World. Five years after running afoul of the Feds, Microsoft is as powerful as ever. Pushing a platform instead of products could make it stronger still. Why nothing seems to stop it.'""

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  1. Microsoft may not be the problem. by Vodak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing seems to stop it because people act like sheep when it comes to technology. Try selling OSS solutions to a non-profit group when companies are in thier ear about how OSS is evil.

    Give the local company gives them a free copy of Office and they are sold that OSS is the devil.

    1. Re:Microsoft may not be the problem. by dfsiii · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Exactly. Technology awareness is only half the battle - convincing people that the status quo is not acceptable is a whole other battle.

      Because the field of information technology and technology as a whole is so fast-moving, people like to have some consistency. Sadly, Microsoft gives this to them with not only widely-compatible products (as most people use MS) but mediocrity. Why keep to this trend, we in the technological "know" ask. Why change, everyone else asks - what they have works fine.

      If only there was something we could do.

    2. Re:Microsoft may not be the problem. by arivanov · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Err... You clearly have never heard of Italy. Or Eastern Europe. Or Russia for that matter.

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    3. Re:Microsoft may not be the problem. by IdleTime · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How2 this is rated as a troll is a mystery. here in the US companies and Special Interest Groups have politicians on their payroll. Any person who don't see that is truly blind.

      And to all people who claim I have never been outside USA, I can only say I'm not an American, but come from a Scandinavian country. I have lived in USA since 1999. I've lived in several countries around the wolrd and travelled extensively in East-Europe too, both before and after the fall of communism. Nowhere have I seen politicans so blatantly ignoring the common peoples interest as here in the US while beeing in the pockets of corporations. You can mod me troll as much as you like, but it doesn't change the facts.

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    4. Re:Microsoft may not be the problem. by Gordo_1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only techies seem to be interested in things like awareness or battling the status quo.

      Perhaps you should rephrase that to include the caveat that this applies to the *technological* domain. Many people care about battling the status quo, but the average person doesn't understand the nuances of how M$ maintains its monopoly through government lobbying and embrace-and-extend philosophy... they just want the computer to accomplish the task at hand and carry on with their lives.

      Just like you don't ask what animals were harmed in the making of the product you use to wash your hair. Nor does the typical geek sound the alarm to bring attention to the conflicts of interest entrenched within the US pharmaceutical industry or the worldwide monopoly that DeBeers holds on diamonds, or the dairy lobby or human rights.

      So the point is, there are plenty of non-technology causes in this world, but technology is your domain, so it's fitting that you should be a proponent for education and change if that's what you believe in.

  2. The Golden Rule. by macaulay805 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whoever has the gold makes the rules.

    1. Re:The Golden Rule. by Doug+Dante · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, it's: Whoever makes the rules gets the gold. Notice that Microsoft is paying (*) politicians and not vice versa? (*) As in, donating money to the campaigns of said politicians.

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  3. You are such babes in the woods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why nothing seems to stop it

    Don't tell me you actually believed that the "GNU/Linux revolution" would somehow change the rules of the game and that future business would be conducted on the basis of competence/performance alone instead of politics and money?

    The fact is that competence and performance can never compete with politics, lock-in and big money. IBM, Sun and a few other corporations like Red Hat are adapting Free/Open Software in the way that actually matters. Cash in on that success, stop whining about the "Microsoft World", play the backstab/lobbying-game to the end and you just might win.

    1. Re:You are such babes in the woods by Ruie · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The fact is that competence and performance can never compete with politics, lock-in and big money. IBM, Sun and a few other corporations like Red Hat are adapting Free/Open Software in the way that actually matters. Cash in on that success, stop whining about the "Microsoft World", play the backstab/lobbying-game to the end and you just might win.

      But having won that way would it be any different from losing ?

    2. Re:You are such babes in the woods by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "Don't tell me you actually believed that the "GNU/Linux revolution" would somehow change the rules of the game and that future business would be conducted on the basis of competence/performance alone instead of politics and money?"

      Actually, the GNU/Linux revolution is a revolution. That means it didn't change the rules of the game, it created a whole new game and dared anyone else to play on their turf. Microsoft is deeply entrenched in the wallets of the corporate and political world. But FOSS has taken off despite that, and now has a great mindshare, far more than you would expect. But hey, they give you freedom, and never underestimate the power of freedom.

      So yes, the old powers can play the old games of power and money. And dinosaurs are remarkably successful despite the gnawing of little mammals. Until one day they aren't. And a new era begins.

  4. sure by nomadic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has unparalleled influence throughout the Federal government.

    Oh puh-lease. There are plenty of companies with that kind of clout; there are plenty with a hell of a lot more. Compared to Halliburton or McDonnell-Douglas or Boeing, Microsoft is strictly amateur hour.

  5. If "using the right tool for the job" by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...is the accepted mantra, than why is anyone surprised?

    Are you using Windows every day? Did you set up a Windows computer for your parents, grandparents, or other friends because FreeBSD/Linux/NetBSD/MacOS is "too complicated"? Then you are the problem...

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  6. Re:I don't get it by toounknown · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree, BUT 95% of these problems stem from Microsoft having a stranglehold. Think about it. If you were a soft/hardware developer and you are trying to make a profit, you're going to develop your product on the most ubiquitous platform and only consider secondary platforms if market share (potential profit) warrants this. It's simple economics.

    Linux/BSD variants have come a LONG way considering most of the functionality/drivers has been either creatively engineered by the community or obtained by lobbying vendors (resulting in drivers that only provide the most basic functionality).

    Boost the installed base and provide demand for functionality in your OS, and vendors will respond.

    Unfortunately these problems are difficult to solve because they are both a cause and a symptom of themselves. Not to mention the very active efforts of Microsoft to thwart any meaningful attempts at the adoption of alternate systems.

    Just my 0.02$

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  7. Re:I don't get it by Iriel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's serveral reasons that Linux doesn't work for a lot of people, and sometimes, I can sympathize. I actually run a Fedora 4 box and Windows 2000 right now, and this is my experience in the problems:

    A lot of hardware doesn't work well for Linux (or takes an enormous amount of tweaking) because a lot of hardware vendors don't open source their drivers and so the community must be users and semi-hardware developers to help eachother to get things working. Although my nVidia 6800 GT actually gets better perforance in Linux than it did in windows ;) However, there is a giant community of users more than eager to help eachother out when getting started or even finding expert advice.

    A lot of services don't work as well in Linux because the vendors don't see it worth paying someone else to support a platform with such a small user base and/or they don't want to learn a new system to support. Micro$oft has made sure that IE still won't comply with the new CSS standards in IE7, and with such a large percentage or the market, they enforce their proprietary garbage on everyone. This makes things incompatible on many platforms because a lot of companies only want to worry about the 80-90% of users that have Windows computers. It's been a somewhat recent trend to support the mac, and that's just plain sad. In time, we can hope that with the server market victories, the desktop can follow.

    With about 8 bazillion different distros of Linux, it's possible that a person could pick up Gentoo and quit before they even have their system compiled, while other flavors are built to help people get used to Linux. Sometimes, people just get a really bad first impression. You just have to find the right customization for you.

    The most important thing that I've seen holding Linux back is advocacy. I see many who are not advocates, but zealots (I used to be guilty too), and that scares many people away from trying it. Linux isn't for everyone, but I love it for certain purposes. I play games with Windows, and I program on Linux. It's a setup that works for me, but not everyone's story can be the same.

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  8. Not a troll ? Yes it is ! by alexhs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Parent post is not a troll.

    I was wondering. But I'm now convinced it is actually a troll (and won't therefore answer him) : how would an AC have written so much in about two minutes ?

    Either he had access to the news before, which implies a suscriber account, then posting as AC, or he just copy-pasted a pre-written text. In both cases, I can't see how it couldn't be a troll.

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  9. Re:Hmm... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Take a random computer and peripherals[1], to include an 802.11x network, and set up WinXP with the default Admin and a Limited account, and make it all work smoothly for the Limited account.
    Still haven't unkinked it all, even with O'Reilly's WinXP Hacks book, 2th Edition.
    And my other partition is a source-based GNU/Linux distro, so, while I may be an idiot, I lay claim to being a clever idiot.
    Back on topic, the problem is the amount of MSFT in the portfolios of decision makers.
    The stock market is a vast, perfectly legal, source of conflict-of-interest.
    Sorry, no realistic remedy.

    [1] common, non-MS hardware

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  10. Re:windows users don't have bugs, viruses, spyware by ZephyrXero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Agreed....the insecurity of Windows alone brings it back down to equal with any UI or setup frustrations you would find with Linux. It's the fact that Linux is open source that really pushes it over the top.

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  11. Breaking News..... by demachina · · Score: 3, Insightful

    News at 11, a big corporation makes campaign contributions to insure they gain influence in Washington.

    Breaking news, a major scandal has been unearthed, a big corpooration pays lobbiests with connections to influence politicians.

    Geez, EVERY big company does EXACTLY the same thing, look at all the companies on the list in the article that gave more money than Microsoft did, like AOL Time Warner. The only amazing thing about Microsoft is they didn't do it much until the antitrust suite and Congress became active in drafting legislation that directrly impacts their business.

    The only plus I can see in their /. submission is thanks to all the Gates/Linux catch phrases maybe some number of geeks will be enlightened that their supposed representative Democracy was in fact sold to the highest bidder like a century or two ago.

    This whole submission is a case of taking a somewhat interesting article on politics and business as usual(a.k.a sleezy) and bending it so its certain to make it to the Slashdot front page using certain to succeed hot button catch phrases.

    Its mildly interesting that there may be a link between Microsoft, Preston Gates and Abramoff but I assure you there are a LOT of politicians and firms that are going to have sleeze splattered on them thanks to Abramoff now that he's been publicly tagged as a sleeze and a crook, something most insiders have known for a long time.

    Its interesting Melinda Gates is on the board of the Washington post but ALL boards are incestuous dens of influence peddaling between the rich and powerful.

    But really, nothing to see here....move along.

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  12. Re:Amount of contributions by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't mean to discourage the notion that our leaders sell out cheaply, they certainly do. But documented campaign contributions are the tip of this iceberg, dive down below the surface with me.

    There are golf trips, and trips to las vegas, or other places this senator needs to check out for him to be able to properly understand Microsoft and the plight of the industry regarding the federal government.

    There are the neices and nephews with a different last name, that need a job out of college, that Microsoft hires.

    There are the flights on corporate jets. The introductions to other powerful industry people, that both junior and senior senators need.

    There's the promise of a cushy job if and when they do retire out of Congress.

    The promise of indirect contributions come next election.

    And once you consider that the $5000 is more like roughly $100,000 all things considered, and that it only required an hour here, and hour there throughout the year, never interfering with others giving him more or less the same benefits... would you pass over one more free grab at $100,000, when you're already selling out 5 times a day, and #6 won't be all that more difficult?

  13. Make mine +6 Insightful by IceAgeComing · · Score: 5, Insightful


    "Better yet, you idealists should all just die now. The world has no room for people who strive to make it a better place."

    No thanks. At the end of my life, I'd like to not be remembered as a back-stabbing cheat, but as someone who strove to make the world better. And today you're in luck: I can take your ridicule. My heart is full of love.

  14. So where does that money come from? by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't tell me you actually believed that the "GNU/Linux revolution" would somehow change the rules of the game and that future business would be conducted on the basis of competence/performance alone instead of politics and money?

    Of course not.

    But where do you think all that money Microsoft has comes from? It comes from companies, from consumers.

    And when companies wake up and realize they can take they money they have been giving Microsoft, and keep more of it themselves... that is the revolution, based entirey on the same rules of politics and money.

    The rules that say if you keep stealing long enough from someone someday they will notice.

    The rules that say if your competition has a lower operating cost they are probably going to eat you up. So it only takes a few companies going with open source solutions along with significant savings and therefore reduced pricing to tilt the whole industry that way.

    In the end even a very rich company like Microsoft cannot propel itself on money alone as they simply have to take more in then they spend out.

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  15. Re:I don't get it by penix1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "My father accepted it well enough (hell, he even told me it was sometimes nicer than Windows) but for the rest of the family it was a no-no. I was keen to learn but the RPM hunt and the randomness of program functioning is what bought me back to Windows."

    Your problem was two-fold. First, you are not proficient enough yourself to resolve problems as they arise. This can be frustrating especially if you are under pressure to "make it work!" from others. What you need to do is get another machine (it doesn't have to be top-of-the-line) solely to experiment on. This machine is called in CompSci circles a "testbed". When testing is done and you are sure everything works (and are confident that it will stay that way) then, and only then, install that program on the computers in use. You will be amazed as the levels of frustration drops with the family off your back.

    Second, never, never, never try to force someone to use something they don't want to use. There are other ways to make them want to make the switch. For example, I don't clean up my family's computers after they get them infested with spyware, adware, and virii. I let them do it. I may provide pointers from time to time but that is about it. After a few times they will eventually see that you are not doing that constant fight in Linux and may want to try again. The point is, they have to want to do it not you forcing the issue.

    B.

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