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Six Bomb Blasts Around Central London
M3rk1n_Muffl3y writes "There were six explosions around London this morning. Information is still emerging, but looks like there were bombs detonated on a bus near Russel Square and several others on the Underground around the City and King's Cross. It's been difficult to reach people on their mobiles."
George Bush & Tony Blair are as much to blame for this atrocity as the idiot terrorists.
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I doubt it is Al Qaeda, since it was obviously timed to coincide with the G8 summit it was probably extreme anti-globalisation people or something along those lines
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Maybe you should shut the fuck up and 'let the story develop more' before pronouncing that this was a peaceful hippy attack you ignorant fucker.
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This explosion and the tragic deads and casualties just shows how dangerous are the arguments of Mr. Bush and his camarilla. Was not the war vs terror supposed to create a safer world? Were we not defeating all the terrorists where they were hiding? Were not we winning?
Of course not. Such "wars" cannot ever be won. The extremists in both sides will always continue to have reasons for this horror. And always strike back on their terms.
The sad thing is that it is always innocent civilians (in London, Irak, Afganistan and young americans) those who die.
Sad day, (as sad as when a bomb goes off in Irak, but then it gets much less media coverage)...
Too bad the Americans don't phone in to let the innocent move out of the places they are going to bomb back into the stone age with their 500 pound bombs dropped from 40,000 feet.
You fucking what? You admit to invading TWO completely innocent countries ( both run by former oh-so-close allies of the US and UK, by the way ), and then in the next breath claim that you were fairly well controlled for the most part! It's one or the other. Certainly not both at the same time. And that little bit about extremism at it's worst
All the stupid people who thought war could make us safer are to blame for this. Thank you, Tony Blair. You stopped the IRA bombing london then started al Qaida doing it.
I sympathize with the people of London. But how can you possibly blame Tony Blair for the violent actions of someone else? Blair and Britain's armed forces have acted honorably in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are helping to kick the shit out of the insurgents every day, God bless 'em! The radical Muslim element that still apparently skulks about England needs no provocation. They'll be found. My guess is that they will blow themselves up when they are cornered, like those fellows in Madrid.
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If I poke your ribs continuously you will slap me or punch me in the face.
Imagine if i kill 10s of thousands of people in your country?
We can all say we are sad and this is terrible but we just can't say it is unexpected.
Are people in the US and England so naive they actually believe their leaders can kill 10s of thousands of people a year without putting them in serious danger?
I really feel for the dead britishs but I think in this moment more than any other it's time to realize the lenght of the terrible mistake that is the war started by the US and England, people will want to defend themselves against the aggression, it is normal to do so, does anyone trully thought they wouldn't? This is just the beginning, and swallow that pride of yours, in this war the agressors are the US and England, don't waste your energy justifying it, it is not justifyable, use your energy to end it, the result will be far more peacefull.
Of course, their version of the self-hating left would ask:
"Why do those lunatic Christian fundamentalist wackjobs hate us and how can we change to accomodate their demands?"
At least that's what a significant chunk of Western opinon bleats out every time something like this happens...
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Tell me, how many innocent civilians have been killed by the britisch military in iraq? How could this be possible in UK? London is probably the best monitored city in the world. Didn't they tell us they need video cameras to fight terrorism? Maybe this attack was allowed or even encouraged to happen by the secret service? Could you imagine any better excuse for the G8 to put their citizens under even more surveillance and opression?
hopefully we won't whore this like September 11th was.
Agreed.
More people will die of starvation in Africa today than died in London today. Yet people still allow their politicians to subsidise farming in their own countries instead of trading fairly.
More people will die in traffic accidents in the USA today than died in London today. Yet people still drink and drive.
I'm British and I have friends in London that I haven't heard from. Save your pity, your outrage and your indignation. If you cherish life that much, stop doing stupid stuff like farming subsidies, drink driving, etc.
I'm sure you're very nearly angry enough to march right on down to the Army Recruitment office.
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The best method to rid the world of these insane fanatics is to kill them at the source.
How about just outlawing something as arcane, ignorant, and hateful as religion? Religion's at the heart of almost all violence these days (note that George Bush is an Evangelical Born Again Christian, thus the slaughter in the Middle East).
With all the humanitarian work that's been happening in the last weeks, you'd think that malcontents would be a little less belligerent. Progress is being made.
You don't get it yet, do you? The perpetrators of the London bombings, the Madrid bombing, the Istanbul bombing, the Bali bombing, and the 9/11 attacks aren't interested in "humanitarian work" or in "progress". They are interested in defeating the West and putting it under fundamentalist Islamic rule. They have never made any secret of it.
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Only 7 bombs? The US and UK drop more bombs than that on Iraq in a slow week.
While the injuries and loss of life is truly sickening, the British people can take solice in the knowledge that their military has killed far, far more innocent Iraqi civilians than would be killed in a dozen of these types of reprisal attacks on London.
If you lie through your teeth to wage an illegal and aggressive war, you should expect that people will respond in any way they can.
Nuke the middle east. I'll happily pay $5/gallon for gasoline like the rest of the world if it means that the middle east no longer exists. It's cheap, too -- we've already paid for the missiles and warheads, and we have enough that we wouldn't need to replace them. We wouldn't have to pay for occupying forces, either. We could let other countries go in and take care of the survivors (or, "take care of" the survivors).
Innocent lives? Well, yeah, it's sad and it happens. Feel better in knowing that the world poverty level dropped significantly with their destruction.
How would I feel if we were nuked out of existence? Wouldn't feel anything, having been nuked out of existence. But... we're stronger and non-evil (other than the nuking the middle east out of existence part), and might makes right. No, that's not irony.
Revenge by the survivors? Not being any fresh source of COWARDLY MOTHERFUCKERS they'd just slowly blow themselves out of existence.
Okay, I'm blowing off steam so I realize there are some inherent flaws with the above plan. So nuke me.
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This is no time to be making fun of religion. This is about innocent people getting killed by terrorists.
Actually, it's a particularly appropriate time to be pouring scorn on religion, given that it's a major driving force behind all this terrorism business.. Fundamentalist religion - both Islamic and Christian - has a lot to answer for.
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I truly believe that if we left Iraq tomorrow, the insurgency would collapse in a short time because they'd have no real reason to exist.
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That logic is so flawed it's almost sad.
We were attacked first. WTC Bombings... USS Cole... Misc Embassy Bombings, and then the WTC collapse. Hey, and guess what. We were not over there at all!!!
The fact is, their object is to destroy all infidels... since we're not muslim, or restrict women, or who the fuck knows what else... then we are on their shit list. Period.
Why we shouldn't leave? It's like bribery. If I have dirt on you, and I ask for money, and you keep paying up, then I'll just keep asking for more and more.
If we roll over and do as they say because of a bomb, then they'll see that as a working avenue. So anytime they want something, they blow up and kill a lot of people, demand, and receive. Then do it again when something else is needed...
There's no reasoning with people willing to blow themselves up....
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We were attacked first? Really? So there were no events prior to the WTC bombings that might've been a cause to motivate them? And really, "We were not over there at all"? Don't you mean our military wasn't occupying their country, because I'm sure that we had some presence or another diplomatically, or at least economically, overseas at the time.
It sickens me to think that we Americans are so often blind to what our country does overseas to believe that, when we get attacked via terrorist attacks, that we honestly believe they were unprovoked attacks. I don't suppose anyone really needs to pay attention to what goes on outside our borders, since I'm sure that none of that truely matters. Yet, too often we try to convert other countries and people to 'our' way of thinking, religiously, economically, and politically. You never know, perhaps something like telling these people that what they believe in so deeply is completely wrong for so long just happens to be sufficient provocation?
You are likely correct, that there is no reasoning with a person willing to blow themselves up for their cause. What would you do, shoot them all? Commit genocide in order to protect your way of life? Maybe there's another way.
I'm reminded of the Soviets vs. Germany in WWII. They didn't really fight them on a head on fight to start with, they let the Germans come across the border. Only, rather than give them good land, they burned it, made it useless in the short term. And yet, with all the retreats by the Soviets, the Germans lost. How could this be? Is it possibly that there was another way to fight than in a direct head-on struggle?
Food for thought.
Uh, no, actually it's not new at all. Look it up. For about two weeks a few short years ago, it was at the top of public awareness; the big media loosed the fact that unelected officials who are in position of real power behind the scenes are ready to come forward and take control if anything were to happen to the official administration. The problem is that nobody knows who these people are, they have their own massive hidden budgets, black-ops, man-power, and big under-mountain bases to work from and they are by necessity fully integrated into the military and the every-day activities of the current government. And you can't get elected unless you are on-board with them and their ideals. Allow the public to vote down the desires and directives of the old-money elitists? Not likely. The powerful do not let go of power if they do not have to. The Shadow Government has no publicly represented overseers, they are powerful and real and for all intents and purposes, invisible. This is not a joke and it is not a, 'theory'.
I remember when this was news, watching the 'Tonight Show' where one of Jay Leno's jokes during his monologue made reference to the fact that the Shadow Government is the elephant in the living room, and guess what? Instead of laughter, there was nothing but a very uneasy silence from the audience. People don't like to think about this stuff because of what it meant.
But clearly people can also easily forget things like this if they don't want their rhetoric rubbed the wrong way.
Look it up.
And look at your own post. You speak using the very definition of mindless Rhetoric. (Your points conflict with themselves. You even say that it is illogical for Muslims to bomb themselves, and yet you are telling me that Muslims are the ones doing the bombing. Think about this! What does this tell you???)
You're simply re-stating the faulty stories you have heard on the news, and further, you are resorting to cheap ridicule to diminish the things I have said.
That makes one of us less mature, more easily driven by emotional manipulations and thus far more prone to believing in lies. Which of us do you think that is?
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as we can tell the difference between individuals and states, unlike Al "smash the Infidel by blowing up a bunch of random people" Qaeda).
And unlike Tony "let's invade Afghanistan because someone we think hurt us might be hiding there" Blair and George "let's destroy Iraq because that Saddam guy is an asshole" Bush ?
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To understand why some Muslims kill their neighbors you have only to read the Koran. You don't need to blame politicians and secret conspiracies. Find the Koran online and search for the words 'unbeliever' and 'punish' and 'kill'. Read the Koran's instructions on how faithful Muslims should treat non-Mulsims. In a few examples out of many:
Koran - Time [76.4] Surely We have prepared for the unbelievers chains and shackles and a burning fire.
Koran - The Immunity [9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush
Koran - The Victory [48.6] And (that) He may punish the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women, and the polytheistic men and the polytheistic women, the entertainers of evil thoughts about Allah. On them is the evil turn, and Allah is wroth with them and has cursed them and prepared hell for them, and evil is the resort.
Fundamentalist Mullahs and Imams use this dogma to teach the gullible that jihad, killing infidels, is the only sure way into Paradise.
If there's no connection between al Qaeda and Iraq, why in the world would these terrorists be so upset about Iraq
The most immediate reason is that we have troops in Saudi Arabia which is where Mecca and Medina are.
IMHO, I'd like to see some group of Americans blow up some Islamic holy site as payback.
Also, I can't understand why we allow this kind of crap in our own country. Why aren't we passing a constitutional amendment to outlaw Islam in the US?
I am not saying this to troll. I honestly think that Islam is a terrible ideology that poisons the mind. In fact, I don't think a religion that tells people to blow themselves up is a good one. Freedom of religion is one thing, but there are certain groups (such as various cults) that carry it too far. I heard on the radio that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the US right now. That is scary!
I think we ought to be able to outlaw certain violent cults and religions in the US.
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Who the fuck modded this rah-rah USA flag-waving bullshit insightful?!? Go out and shoot yourselves please!
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It is just because there ARE ties to terrorism. The war is on TERROR, not on Al Quida. Does it really matter what the terrorists are naming themselves? They are still terrorists, hence the war on terror. That aside, there are ties to Al Quida. The evidence is clear for any rational person. Al Quida did not suddenly appear in Iraq, they have been there. If they hadn't, why would they bomb Spain and tell them that this was a direct result of Spain's presence in Iraq. Also, why would Al Quida (if it turns out to be them) bomb the UK. The logic only follows that they are attempting to protect their interests in Iraq. They have had an infrastructure built there with Saddam's cooperation for a long time, or do most contries have burned out shells of 747's laying around desolate areas being used for training hijakers?
Second. No WMD's found, that depends on the definition. We found missles with a range slightly longer than agreed to by the surrender terms from the previous war (96 miles, if memory serves). This is arguable whether they are considered WMD's or not, and I will, for purposes of this discussion, concede the point that no WMD's were found. We did, however, find manufacturing sites for biological weapons. The weapons themselves, however, had already been cleaned out of the sight, where they are is still unkown, but I would think that finding and destroying the factory that produces them is an even higher priority than finding the weapons themselves (my opinion).
Third point. Free societies, almost without exception, only resort to violence in response to a violent act. I cannot tell you when the last war was started by a free society (and don't tell me the war on terror, it was started by Osama. The war in Iraq may, in your opinion, be the wrong target, but it is a response to an attack on us.) If free people = peaceful, then we should seek to make the people free in Iraq.
Also, the arrogance associated with the US has nothing to do with calling yourselves "America".. it has mostly to do with Bush, Clinton, and Bush.
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... something else I simply didn't hear about because my news sources didn't cover it).
Not to put too fine a point on it
You forgot about Reagan. He did a great boost to our image as arrogant bastards.
It does suck to be labelled as Arrogant. I think there was an Onion article with a title along the lines of "American foreign policy harming Americans' chances of getting laid abroad". I am not certain that we don't deserve the label. Much of our ignorance of things outside the US (and our pride in the US) stems from the greatness of the US. We can vacation thousands of miles from our homes, be immersed in a very different culture, with completely different geography, and still be in the US. We have respectable woodlands, wetlands, mountains, deserts, cities, etc. You name it, we got one.
Economically, we thrive: about 70% of Americans own their own home now. Then, there's the joke about Michael Jackson (a poor black boy can grow up to be a rich white woman)... or the current President (anyone can be elected President with no qualifications whatsoever). The American dream is a powerful bit of propoganda. It also helps blind us to the outside world much of the time. We can help ourselves by focusing on ourselves, and that actually works quite frequently.
Some of our lack of cultural understanding comes from our own lack of history. We have amazing historical sites that are 200 years old! Mabye even 250! We just don't get exposed to history older than that. Our education system covers US history spread throughout our years, while we lump the rest of world history into one or two years. The rest, we get from Hollywood (which I am certain is 100% accurate). Our borders haven't been under much dispute due to international politics in a long time (see America, ancient history).
However, I actually fail to see how having an idiot as a President gets us labelled as Arrogant. I don't believe that all of the presidents that gave us the arrogant label were idiots any more than most other foreign leaders. Seriously, how does "Gas the Kurds" come across as less idiotic than our domestic politics at the time? Sure we let down a few environmental regulations, but we didn't outright gas our own people.
OK, so being an American, I can't actually point out any other examples of stupid international leaders because, like most Americans, I can basically ignore most of the rest of the world unless it involves oil.
When most Americans do notice things going on in the rest of the world, it is usually something tragic, like the recent Tsunami, or the unfortunate events in London. In those instances, Americans generally do quite a bit to lend a helping hand. (And yes, we seem to ignore many tragic events, like devastating earthquakes in South America, or
Even more impressive than our arrogance is our incredible sense of apathy. We can hardly motivate ourselves to learn about our own domestic politics, how can anyone expect us to learn about international politics?
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Never heard of Bolsheviks? Never heard of the Jacobins? Never heard of the turn-of-the-century anarchists?
Crack open a history book Mr. Self Righteous Athiest.
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Mindless killing of innocent people in other countries is not going to solve the problem.
You waana help? Get yourselves a President that is a real statesman without the oil industry's interests clouding his judgment.
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Apparently, you didn't even read your own holy text (I've read part of it, translated by your own religion). A few month past, I believed in the BS your kind told me, but once I started checking it out... I no longer believe.
Islam is a religion of violence. They not only condone violence, they promote it as a way to get into heaven.
In US, you can easily buy enough major firearms to wipe out your neighbourhood but a few little fireworks are banned.
You've got to be fucking kidding me.
As a Texan I'd rather have another civil war to get rid of idiots like you than attack another country to "feel safe"
it's called sarcasm.
How was liberating Iraq and eliminating a tyrant an overreaction?
One of those liberals that thought patriotism was tacky
Only in the tacky way that some Republicans had hijacked the word. Their attitude would more appropriatly be termed "jingoism".