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NASA to Research Antimatter Rocket

Fraser Cain writes "One of the dozen technologies selected by NASA's Institute for Advanced Concepts (NIAC) this year is Positronics Research's ideas for an antimatter rocket engine. Instead of 3100 kg of propellant on board Cassini, the spacecraft could get by with just 310 micrograms of electrons and positrons. Of course, making the antimatter can be expensive."

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  1. If they can make it, good. by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they could make this work it would cut down the size of the object to be launched drastically. That would be a great thing, which in itself would make spaceflight more profitable. No more 3T fuel, fuel tanks, etc.

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  2. But, if I give'r any more she'll explode! by beldraen · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Is everything shooting along while power generation creeps?

    Work out the chemistry on it. The simple truth is that unless there is a fundamental change in energy density of chemical reactions, there just isn't a lot more to ask of chemical storage. That's why there is the shift towards "power generation." This is really just a fancy term for changing from where there is a chemo-eletrical differential (i.e. positive/negative sides) to actively causing a chemical reaction that provides electricity; however, there are two problems with this approach. First, it is usually easier to ask the device to use less power. Second, power generation at a minimum produces heat, sometimes violently and excessively. Batteries are nice because they are generally quite safe, reliable, and (most importantly) currently mass-produced.

    On a side note, super atoms seem to be a possibility on "rewriting" our understanding on chemical reactions.
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    1. Re:But, if I give'r any more she'll explode! by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, chemical advances are pretty much a dead-end (although there may still be *some* improvement left to go - for example, alane (stabilized aluminum hydride) hybrid rockets) but there's a long way to go before we can just deal with things like antimatter rockets.

      Just ignoring all propulsion-creation issues (you can't just pump the two things together in a reaction chamber, and most of the emitted energy is gamma), when you see statements like this:

      Instead of 3100 kg of propellant on board Cassini, the spacecraft could get by with just 310 micrograms of electrons and positrons.

      It sounds great until you realize that, with conventional technology, those 310 micrograms would require a penning trap weighing hundreds of tons (at best) to store them. We need *far* better storage density in addition to far more efficient antimatter generation.

      Far more near-term is antimatter-catalyzed microfission and microfusion (where you use antimatter to start a fission or fusion reaction in a tiny fuel pellet). For non-antimatter based high ISP propulsion, there are lots of neat ideas - to name a few, solar and magnetic sails, magnetohydrodynamic propulsion, fission fragment rockets, Orion and its successor Medusa, photonic rockets, and one of my favorites, nuclear saltwater rockets (you store an concentrated aqueous uranium or plutonium salt in capillaries, and inject it into a reaction chamber where it reaches critical mass and flies out the back at extreme speeds)

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    2. Re:But, if I give'r any more she'll explode! by Alsee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >magnetohydrodynamic propulsion
      How would this be useful for a spaceship? If it ejects the water out through a jet nozzle...


      For most scientific purposes liquids, gases, and plasma all count as fluids... as "hydro"s.

      For example the solar wind is a plasma. It is an extremely low density medium and probably would not be well suited for the working fluid in an MHD engine. However as the other reply to you indicates, a spacecraft could produce it's own plasma and potentially use the MHD effect to thrust it out at high speed. Whether you can make a *better* engine that way, I think that's still an open research question.

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  3. How much? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How much antimatter would it take to wipe out all human life on earth? My guess is in the 20g - 5000g range, depending on how it is "deployed". Anyone else have a better clue?

    Why do I ask? Think about nuclear power. We are now worried about radioactive material falling into the wrong hands. Fortunately, we have some detection methods to make it a little harder to deploy. Now if antimatter becomes a common battery source (say SUV's have 1 millionth of a gram to make it run for the week), how hard would it be to make the ULTIMATE terrorist act?

    Granted, the availability of antimatter on this scale won't happen for a few decades, if not centuries. But when it does... it will be interesting...

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  4. Expensive isnt even beginning to descripe it.... by imsabbel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Without so much more technological breakthroughts (who will of course make that whole project pointless, because totally new options would arise), building a antimatter rocket will be impossible.

    First: containment-> Its hard getting long livetimes in a nice good storage ring that doesnt suffer massive accelerations and other nasty stuff launching from earth brings with itself.

    Second: containment part two: To power it, you would need a energy source of such capacity that could feed an ion drive or equivalent just fine without the need for antimatter.

    Third: containment part three: if it fails it will give the a real nice flash. ok, with such a small one this doesnt matter (a normal rocked exploding is also devastating, but a bigger one would be like a nuke on steroids).

    Fourth: Production of anitmatter: current efficiency of antimatter creation is somewhere around absolute zero... dont know the the exact numbers (the article was a few years old), but with current technology it could very well take the energy production of the whole USA to create that much anitmatter... for a year or so...

    All those points dont mean that it wont be possible (or even desirable) to build an antimatter engine, but the needed advancements are THAT far away, that every kind of basic studies now are pointless.

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  5. Re:zero-point energy no chance! by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ZPE is what they think is forcing the galaxies apart.

    seems like lots of power to me.

    BTW, purely empty space is not empty. there are constant creations of particles and their anti particles (thus servicing thermodynamics) popping in and out of existence in empty space. this causes a pressure to form and this pressure causes a force which can be used to extract energy.

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  6. What's a teeming horde to do? by lheal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Humans like to find new territory and conquer it. We currently have exhausted the Earth's surface, except for the submerged and frozen parts. So we have to go somewhere.

    That said,

    Many of our upcoming challenges both earthbound and space bound relate to the safe, efficient, portable, and inexpensive generation of HUGE amounts of power.

    Space propulsion may end up being a two-fold operation, with a rocket or rail gun used to break free of the earth or moon's gravity well and a deep-space propulsion unit used for the long haul.

    Something like a solar sail or ion drive might fill the bill. An ion drive is relatively inexpensive, but doesn't give much push. If a chemical rocket or magnetic accelerator gets you started, an ion drive could work nicely.

    You still need "HUGE" amounts of power for a rail gun or rocket, though.

    Feel free to ignore the above. I'm just waiting for an rsync to finish so I can shut down the old server and go home.

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    1. Re:What's a teeming horde to do? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Better yet, I say we build a lunar mass driver, and mine the moon for materials to build lots of near-space orbiting infrastructure around the Earth. The mass driver could be powered by solar arrays and would continually launch small packets of ore and other materials towards earth. "Catcher" ships would go out to meet the incoming deliveries and take them where they're needed. Giant solar reflectors could take moon rock and melt it, at which point it could be foamed by gas injection, molded into any desired shape and then used as a structural material.

      Actually, this all came from James P. Hogan's "The Two Faces of Tomorrow". Interesting book from a space-technology perspective.

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  7. More than that... by ControlFreal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The upper end of your scale, 5 kg, amounts to E = m * c^2 = 5 * 9e+16 = 4e+17 Joules.

    The Russian Tsar Bomba ---the World's largest nuclear weapon ever detonated on Earth--- yielded 50 Megatons of energy, or about 50e6 * 4e9 = 2e+17 Joules.

    That bomb didn't kill us, so 5 kg of antimatter won't kill us all.

    To put things in perspective, the Hiroshima bomb (15 kton) destroyed about 1.5 grams of matter. The Tsuami quake on the Pacific, last year, yielded about 30 Gigaton, or 6.4e+19 Joules. That amounts to about 600 to 700 kg of destroyed matter.

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    1. Re:More than that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I pretty much slept through physics, so, if you could please indulge my question,...
      shouldn't that figure be doubled?
      because mass (m) is equal to the combined mass of the antimatter and the matter?
      or am I wrong?

  8. Re:mite expensive by foos_guy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    But you have to keep in mind that these facilities weren't designed to create anti-matter... I'm sure that these facilities can be modified/upgraded to produce anti-matter in a more efficient manner, maybe even increase production by several folds....

  9. The realities of containment by ChiralSoftware · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It seems like they need to produce not just positrons, but full anti-atoms. Positrons all have the same (positive) charge so containing them is hard because they repulse eachother. An anti-atom (ie, positrons oribiting around anti-protons) would be neutral and could even be formed into a solid. This solid could then be suspended. So even if they can generate lots of positrons they still need to generate anti-protons to go with them.

    Also, energy released from antimatter annihilation doesn't come out in a very usable form. From this article it looks like most of the energy comes out as neutrinos. Space is full of neutrinos zipping around, but they're pretty useless for energy because they don't interact with matter to any significant degree.

    It sounds wonderful to have some bit of matter that can be fully converted to energy but I think we'll have commercial fusion power sooner than this can happen.

    Maybe they could figure out how to make smaller, safer fission reactors for these types of missions? Maybe they could focus on fuel efficiency, perhaps even making small breeder reactors for space use?

  10. Containment, Fah! The OPACITY problem by StefanJ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    After years of thinking I knew rocket propulsion -- via SF novels and popular works and, well, building small ones -- I took a policy course on space travel at CMU. Professor Morel (sp?) insisted that we learn the science first. I got all sorts of good stuff, and started poking around the engineering library for more.

    I found, while researching my term project, a great book on advanced propulsion topics. This wasn't some popular work, but a collection of hard-core equation-filled research papers. There was stuff on what could be the next generation of fission drives, various fusion drive concepts, and antimatter propulsion.

    Beyond the obvious containment issues, there is a BIG problem with antimatter propulsion:

    The problem of opacity.

    Antimatter / matter reactions produce gamma rays. These are extremely energetic and readily penetrate many materials.

    This means that they are very inefficient when it comes to heating up a working fluid. The detail -short linked-to article glibly talks about shooting gamma rays into propellant. They will heat up the hydrogen or water or whatever you are using for a working fluid, but a lot of the energy will simply keep on going, and whiz right through the outside wall of the "combustion" chamber.

    The one research paper which described a "pure" antimatter rocket heated the propellant indirectly. The positrons would be shot into a block of tungsten alloy dense enough to intercept an appreciable amount of the energy produced by the matter / antimatter reaction. Working fluid passed through channels in the block would heat up, turn to gas, and produce thrust.

    The rated Isp was, as I recall, about 5,000 seconds. This is way more than conventional fluid / chemical rockets (500 seconds) and fission rockets (1,000 seconds) but only a little higher than existing ion thrusters (3,100 seconds for that solar-powered testbed that ran a few years back).

    The one advantage this rocket would have over ion thrusters would be the amount of thrust. Ion rockets produce just a trickle of thrust. The antimatter thermal rocket would probably produce a fair amount of thrust, although probably not enough for a ground-to-orbit booster.

    Stefan

  11. Re:Expensive to produce by tsotha · · Score: 1, Interesting
    The reason I'm not terribly worried about antimatter-toting terrorists is the same reason I'm a lot more worried about terrorists getting pre-made nukes than I am about them building one from scratch: it takes a tremendous knowledge base and industrial infrastructure that is beyond the capacity of even the biggest and best-funded terrorist group.

    Well, antimatter is pretty new stuff. We don't really know how hard it would be to produce if someone (a government or brilliant scientist) actually made a concerted effort to reduce production to an industrial process. Nukes are pretty hard to make since you need to get ahold of enriched uranium somehow. Presumably antimatter could be made without exotic, traceable materials.

    Oh, and I'm not too worried about lost Soviet nukes. You need the same infrastructure you used to make them if you want to keep them working for any length of time. After fifteen years "in the wild", I doubt a lost nuke would actually work.

  12. Cute but... by Petersson · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Well the project seems a little bit 'trollish' to me. Antimatter is nice subject to attract investors, however the Pratt&Whitney TRITON project http://www.nuclearspace.com/A_PWrussview_FINX.htm seems to be more realistic. What a pity it uses the nasty, vicious, filthy uranium.

    The antimatter must be one a hell of a job to handle safely. I don't see the future of antimatter fuel in a little light spaceships. Because of all the risks, only the large and heavy space vessels can be include all the necessary technology.

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