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'Whispering' Wireless Internet

Zondar writes "MSNBC is reporting about a new radio filtering technology allows an ISP to use already-occupied frequencies to transmit and receive data. From the article: 'xMax, the latest innovation in broadband communications, is a very quiet radio system that uses radio channels already filled up with noisy pager or TV signals ...' and 'xMax is trespassing radio frequencies, although trespassing is not the right word, because we're allowed to transmit a signal if it doesn't interfere with other, stronger signals...' Too good to be true? Sounds like it would just raise the noise floor, to me."

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  1. FCC by cybercomm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is extremely interesting, if not tried before. I wonder what FCC/ologopolies will have to say when someone else starts using their hard lobbied/bribed frequencies.

    FP?

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    1. Re:FCC by bluGill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or will the TV stations roll out internet service themselves, since they have the license?

    2. Re:FCC by dancpsu · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a crazy tech, supposedly outside the FCC regulations. More info available here

      "Our technology uses a narrowband channel, and places a carrier there for an extremely precise clock in the receiver," says Bobier. "The transmitter also transmits information in side bands, at levels lower than ultra-wideband. We are able to get performance comparable to a wideband licensed trasmission."

      The low-power channel it uses can overlap with other users, because it is below the noise floor, creating "dual use" for the radio spectrum, claims Mooers.

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    3. Re:FCC by dancpsu · · Score: 2, Informative

      This uses a wider frequency band than a TV station. Plus, since digital television is coming RSN, they won't be able to use another tech to make a broadband internet style transmission anyway.

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    4. Re:FCC by CRC'99 · · Score: 3, Informative

      UWB (Ultra Wide Band) by any other name... It already got shot down once. Now it's rebranded and trying again. It shall get shot down again.

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    5. Re:FCC by dingleberrie · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, it's not UWB. Unless PCs and radios are the same because they both have displays, make sound, and draw power.

      Typical transmissions use a center or carrier frequency and have what's called sideband noise, which is a fairly strong signal around the carrier frequency. This sideband is information needed as part of the primary transmission, but it is noise to its neighboring frequencies. This makes your 96.6 FM station really have an allocation of 96.5 to 96.7 MHz. The tuner locks into the carrier frequency and then gathers the information from the sidebands.

      Ultra wide band distributes all of its information across several frequencies (generally near 1 GHZ of bandwidth with center frequencies varying from 3 to 10 GHz) without providing any RF power above the FCC limits for stray radiation, even at the center frequency.

      xMax, however, is designed for sub-GHz channels. It places a significant amount of power on the center/carrier frequency like traditional transmissions. In contrast to traditional transmissions, however, xMax spreads the sideband information over a large bandwidth and thus the power amplitude per frequency is below the FCC mandated power limits for stray radiation (like UWB).

      The net effect for xMax is that the primary signal it is so narrow that it can slip in between the existing allocated channels without emitting sideband information into neighboring, already channels. This makes it attractive for a way to cram more information into limited spectrum.

  2. Spread-spectrum by DrLex · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is just some kind of spread-spectrum technology, nothing new... The signal consists of pseudo-noise. If the receiver knows the key to this pseudo-noise and can synchronize to it, he can decipher the message. This idea and this technology have been around for years.

    1. Re:Spread-spectrum by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Informative

      The technology site seems to confirm this.

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    2. Re:Spread-spectrum by DaCool42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I work as an engineer in the broadcast industry, and I concur. This is nothing new or amazing, just another implementation of spread-spectrum. I found this acticle's pseudo-science quite entertaining. Especially the use of quoted words in this paragraph:

      What is unique about the system is that it can emit signals that are too weak to be picked up by normal antennas, but that can be "heard" by special aerials which know where to "listen", thus enabling dual usage of the same scarce radio spectrum.

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    3. Re:Spread-spectrum by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is pretty much off topic, but the inventor of spred-spectrum was hot.

      -Peter

    4. Re:Spread-spectrum by the_weasel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats pretty cool stuff, thanks for pointing out her contribution!

      One thing that I find interesting is that her role as a scientist was somewhat celebrated. The wikipedia article still focuses on her celebrety as a movie star but I found myself most interested in how intensely driven she seems to have been.

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    5. Re:Spread-spectrum by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Thats pretty cool stuff, thanks for pointing out her contribution!"

      That's an interesting way to describe her pic... Who says geeks aren't gentlemen?

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    6. Re:Spread-spectrum by nicktripp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also interesting to note that the Navy rejected her invention for 17 years after her and her partner received a patent. WWII completely missed out on spread spectrum military applications because of thick-headed Navy officials. Nice.

    7. Re:Spread-spectrum by ergean · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Isn't she the one on the Corel Draw 8 ad?

  3. Re:Range? by dancpsu · · Score: 3, Informative

    from the article:

    The first xMax network is currently being built in Miami and Fort Lauderdale where one base station can deliver broadband Internet over a 40 square mile area.

    But with that much area, you need to start worrying about capacity. What good is it to cover 40 sqmi when you can't get a packet through:

    The capacity of that wireless network is not bigger than any other wireless technology, which means that more base stations need to be added if a certain number of people are using the network -- typically several hundreds to a 1,000 users.

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  4. Interesting, but possible problems? by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I didn't see any mention of the FCC in this article at all, something that may be indicative of a lack of approval from the relevant bodies. It's all very well the inventors/creators saying that this is technically ok, but when the people who are allocated the frequency range this technology operates in have problems with the raised noise or extra signals, or even just object to something else intruding on their licenced spectrum, I wonder what will happen.

    1. Re:Interesting, but possible problems? by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 3, Informative
      The regulatory position has improved greatly recently for spread spectrum.

      The problem they had was that the regulators looked in the regulation books, and discovered that the only category that really fitted was spark gap transmitters, which were banned outright (spark gap transmitters transmit across all the wavelengths simultaneously and can cause enormous interference).

      However it seemed a bit ridiculous, because the powers intended to be used for spread spectrum are really minute, and unlikely to cause interference, nevertheless 'rules are rules'.

      Recently the argument was made that hairdryers often produce sparks from the brushes in the electric motors, and these don't produce significant interference, and these aren't banned; hairdryers are basically spark gap transmitters; and spreadspectrum produces much less interference than hairdryers.

      The regulators hmmed and hahed, and it's looking like spreadspectrum is being permitted at very low powers in America.

      Other countries like the UK have followed suit.

      Incidentally, the noise floor often isn't affected measurably by this stuff, except at very close range. Noise doesn't add linearly and many of these systems are well below the noise floor. Also see Shannon Hartley theorem.

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  5. I'm surprised by cerberus4696 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm surprised that no-one's actually tried something like this before. What with the prevalence of radios that can adjust themselves to noise conditions, it seems that it would be fairly obvious to build one that could listen to the frequency (or frequencies) it wanted to transmit on and intelligently avoid stomping on other, old-fashioned signals in the vicinity. It's interesting, 'cause I just got done reading about something like this in this rather weird, but oddly compelling book.

    1. Re:I'm surprised by Phil+Karn · · Score: 4, Informative
      It certainly seems obvious, but receiver sensing doesn't really work. You can't rely on the absence of a signal at the transmitter to ensure that you won't interfere with someone if you transmit, and conversely you aren't guaranteed to interfere with a signal you can hear. This is the problem with plain CSMA on radio channels.

      A better approach is to have each receiver (not transmitter) indicate where and when it is listening so that other transmitters can avoid interfering with it. Busy Tone Multiple Access (BTMA), proposed way back in the 1970s, is probably the earliest such scheme. The MACA (Multiple Access with Collision Avoidance) scheme I invented for amateur packet radio circa 1990 that found its way (with enhancements by others) into 802.11 is basically time-division BTMA on a single channel.

      A few years after I proposed MACA, I also suggested a more general purpose dynamic frequency coordination scheme for the amateur service based on packet radio. It was inspired by the backlash to the proposals to broaden the use of spread spectrum on the ham bands. You'd have a coordination channel on which receivers would broadcast the frequencies and times that they were listening so that nearby transmitters could avoid interfering with them. You could get fancy and have each transmitter send a test transmission to see if a receiver is bothered by it, and if not then that transmitter would not have to defer to that receiver.

      Naturally this never went anywhere because the vast majority of hams are not really interested in any kind of technical innovation. They didn't want to have to do anything new just to continue using the frequencies they've always used, which they tend to treat as their own personal property. The spread spectrum proposal was eviscerated, and I let the idea drop. I wouldn't be surprised if the xG guys are now trying to patent my ideas. Wouldn't be the first time companies have tried to claim innovations placed into the public domain by hams as their own.

    2. Re:I'm surprised by FryingLizard · · Score: 3, Informative

      FYI Phil Karn ^^^ (a.k.a. KA9Q) is destined to be one of those people who gets written into the history books. IANAHistorian but AFAIK Phil is at least somewhat responsible for a significant proportion of Qualcomm's rather impressive success with CDMA (a.k.a. the cellphone technology that kicks the ass of all others).

      Not only that; I most remember using his early dos-based TCP/IP stack and tools (repackaged by Demon Internet in the UK, BackInTheOldDays) which, while minimally friendly, were damn fine.

      Apparantly rumour has it that there existed a system of sending information without wires before 802.11 that he was an amateur dabbler in.. ;-)

      My metaphorical hat goes off to him for decades of hard, smart, cheerful, pioneering work. ...Thanks Phil!

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  6. Re:Techdirt article on xMax by rerunn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Best quote from that article:

    Instead, they quote the technology's inventor and the executive chairman of the company, while a man presented just as "an electrical engineering professor at Princeton University" actually sits on the company's board of advisors. None of these three, of course, have a vested interest in pumping up this new technology.

  7. Hooray! by djblair · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's all the hassles of DSL but now with NO WIRES!

    1. Re:Hooray! by Feyr · · Score: 3, Funny

      this einstein quote seems appriopriate

      "You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat.

  8. Re:Range? by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1000 transcievers over a 40 square mile area doesn't sound so bad to me. If the population is much denser than that, then wired net access is likely available.

  9. Area = pi * r^2 by ockegheim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    An area of 40 square miles is a circle of radius 3.6 miles (5.8 km). Is that really more than a digital phone tower can manage, for example?

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    1. Re:Area = pi * r^2 by Pollardito · · Score: 2, Informative
      i can't find good resources on this, but here are some numbers (in google order)

      from a random wireless advisor post :
      But a typical 150- to 200-foot tower would cover a radius of 2 1/2 miles in urban areas and five miles in rural areas.
      from an article on Yale's website "The Physics of Cellphones" (but dated 2003) :
      The major component of the cell phone system is the cell. The cell phone system divides an area of service into a set of cells on what might look like a hexagonal grid. A phone tower or base station in the center of the cell covers an area of 2 or 3 square miles around the tower.
      from a MIT mailing-list :
      In metropolitan areas, the 'radius' of a cell is a few miles, at *most*.
      from a zoning petition :
      US Cellular only give in building coverage for a radius of three miles. When you are three miles away from where US Cellular is trying to cover, you miss half.
      most of the other links that i saw agreed pretty closely with the 2.5 mile radius mark, the Yale paper that is notably different might be a typo? the zoning petition is even older than the Yale paper, so i don't think it is a technology issue
  10. Technical Information by Detritus · · Score: 3, Informative

    See this article for an explanation of some of the technical details of the system.

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  11. Re:again? by Detritus · · Score: 2, Informative

    It isn't CDMA. It appears to be a combination of a narrowband pilot carrier and a wideband PPM signal that transports the data.

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  12. Will we become invisible to ET SETI searchers? by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If everyone switches to wideband, low-power, densely-coded, mesh-network transmissions, then I suspect that the Earth will become virtually invisible to extraterrestrials who try to use SETI-style, pattern-in-RF methods. With nobody broadcasting at high power on a simple-coded narrow-band carrier, the RF emissions of the planet will become indistinguishable from noise.

    I wonder if each civilization goes through a short RF-detectability phase before they so densely pack the spectrum with so many emitters that they become invisible, too.

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    1. Re:Will we become invisible to ET SETI searchers? by stienman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A very noisy planet will still stand out since it will be generating much more radio noise than the surroundings.

      Saying that wide band communications is less visible than narrow band communications is like saying that white light is less visible than red light. You'll still be able to see the 'noisy' white light in the field of gray and black, and perhaps more easily than the red light.

      -Adam

    2. Re:Will we become invisible to ET SETI searchers? by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Informative

      The idea that the Earth's RF emissions are detectable from any distance whatsoever is WRONG.

      I've heard people say "But the Earth radiates as much RF as a star" - BULLSHIT. The Earth doesn't even radiate as much as Jupiter. The only thing is that the Earth's radiation is in narrower bandwidths and thus more detectable.

      However, ignoring losses due to the inter-[planetary|stellar] medium, the signal strength of ANY signal goes down as the square of the distance (even highly collimated signals still diverge, and thus quadruple their area as distance doubles once you get out of the near-field effects).

      Do the math: Assume a gigawatt transmitter. Assume that this transmitter is collimated to the point that at 100,000,000 kilometers the beam is 1 kilometer wide, and treat the transmitter as a point source. (BTW - that is an power density of just under 1.3 kilowatts per square meter - about the same as the total solar power at the Earth's surface).

      At just ONE light-year the signal is just over nine billonths as strong - call it 10 microwatts to keep it to about 2 significant digits. At 4 light years, it is down to less than a microwatt per square meter. At 100 light years, it is one nanowatt per square meter.

      And remember, we started with an INCREDIBLY collimated, INCREDIBLY powerful emission - normal transmissions are a thousandth this powerful, and a million times more diffuse.

      The SETI project is NOT looking for alien TV or broadcast radio. SETI is looking for a Mount Arecibo class radio telescope transmitting a narrow bandwidth high power signal designed especially for a SETI system to see.

    3. Re:Will we become invisible to ET SETI searchers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While partially true, you also underestimate the sensitivity of radio telescopes. Sadly I don't remember the exact values, but I think a few nanowatt signal could still be detectable for Arebico. Basically an earth like civ within 10 ly could probably be detected,

      What does that mean in practise, not many stars within that range, so it isn't to much help. So to have any real chance you would need a space based telescope that is much much larger to seriously increase sensitivity. But that won't happen for atleast a few decades.

    4. Re:Will we become invisible to ET SETI searchers? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > A very noisy planet will still stand out since
      > it will be generating much more radio noise than
      > the surroundings.

      Not true. The total output of all the radio transmitters in use today is much less than the thermal radiation from the Earth integrated over the same band. If all those transmitters were using UWB the effect would be to raise the apparent noise level by an imperceptible amount.

      > Saying that wide band communications is less
      > visible than narrow band communications is like
      > saying that white light is less visible than red
      > light.

      No, it's like saying that a dim laser is visible against a bright white background, but a dim white light is not.

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  13. Technical details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The technical details are sparse but here are two links.

    In the faq http://www.xgtechnology.com/faq.htm there is a brief description. Note that the spectrum plot shown is basically worthless because it does not show any signal details.

    Here is a magazine article http://www.mwee.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=16 3700624 that has a little more information.

    Note the following: In the first is the statement that Shannon's theorem is not violated but no justification is given. In the second it says that most power is put in the carrier. Both of these statements should raise red flags. Be skeptical!

  14. Signals below the noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you know the characteristics of a signal exactly, you can recover it from below quite a bit of noise. One of the experiments I have my students do is to recover a signal 20 dB below the noise. It is trivially easy to do. The amount of data you can send, on the other hand, is approximately zilch.

    Shannon's law describes the amount of data you can send as a function of the signal to noise ratio. As long as you are willing to put up with low bit rates it is no problem to use a signal below the noise floor.

    Several of the posters have assumed that these guys have re-invented cdma. That's not necessarily the case (although it might be).

  15. UWB vs. xMax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.wirelessnetdesignline.com/howto/uwb/163 103775

    An xMax-enabled system has several advantages of over a UWB network. Primarily, whereas UWB emissions require several gigahertz of spectrum, the "narrowband" version of xMax only requires sidebands on the order of several megahertz. The carrier synchronous nature of xMax also bests UWB, which uses thousands of pulses to represent one symbol.

    Paradoxically, UWB is often designed as a PAN technology for use in the 3.1- to 10.6- GHz range and other limited uses in higher bands (24 GHz), leading to potentially high transmitter density. Given the amount of power emitted into adjacent bands, the cumulative likelihood of interference is high. In contrast, xMax is designed as a WAN technology, leading to a low transmitter density and lower interference potential. FCC rules also prohibit UWB applications from using spectrum below the 3.1-GHz band, whereas xMax is designed for sub-GHz use.

    Lastly, xMax is a more efficient, agile system that requires as little as 6 MHz for broadband data transmission and can frequency-hop to vacant spectrum. As stated, the xMax signal is carrier-synchronous, making detection easier. UWB, on the other hand, doesn't use a carrier; timing must be embedded in the information, requiring large contiguous swaths of spectrum. Note that UWB requires higher signal power when measured using equivalent resolution bandwidth.

  16. Narrowband pilot + low-level UWB or SS by general_boy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's an important clue, from their FAQ: "The narrowband channel allocation that xMax uses to coordinate reception of its wideband xG Flash Signal is not the system's information-bearing bandwidth."

    So, it's a very narrowband pilot signal plus low level wideband signal with some new filtering/shaping tricks and maybe frequency agility on the wideband part.

    The pilot is strong, easy to find, on a known frequency, shaped to occupy minimum bandwidth, and carries low-bitrate control info - like where and when to find the "flash" information-bearing carrier. It also may be a system clock reference (why not?). Being a clock reference would allow for more fancy demodulation techniques (yielding better BER performance) to be used on the other signal, because the lack of need to do clock recovery from the weak "flash" carrier.

  17. Lower power, not greater bandwidth by snowwrestler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The point is lower power. Since signal decreases as a square of distance, even small reductions in transmit power will have a dramatic difference in the noise signature of the Earth at multi-light-year distances. Ultra wideband allows lower power.

    As an aside, the transition to heavily encoded packet RF also reduces our signature to ET. Anyone with a long enough wire and a speaker can pick up analog TV or radio and recognize it as synthetic. Can the same be said for highly dense encrypted digital traffic? Even my 56k modem sounds like white noise to me.

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  18. Trespassing? by serutan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    although trespassing is not the right word, because we're allowed to transmit a signal if it doesn't interfere with other, stronger signals...

    Damn right it's not the right word, and it wouldn't be even if it weren't legal to transmit on those same freqs. You can't trespass on frequencies because frequencies are not anyone's property. We gotta shake off this relentless trend of treating rights and licenses as property. To use a more familiar example, nobody "owns" music, not even the composer. Rights holders don't own anything at all, they merely control the rights to do specific things for a limited time.

    The distinction isn't semantic nitpicking, it's very important because treating rights as property gives the copyright control industry an unfair advantage in any public discussions about rights issues. They like to play the part of the plucky little old lady chasing down a purse snatcher, or the outraged homeowner defending his castle against burglars and government goons. They get away with it because the public has been taught to overlay the simple and familiar concept of property on much more complicated issues. Treat rights as what they are -- temporary conditions set by the government -- and various rights and DRM issues suddenly require a lot more thought, which they should.