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HP Invents A New Way To Print

Sushant Bhatia writes "Forbes is reporting that HP is introducing new technology in its inkjet printers that should help the company and consumers save time and money. If successful, the strategy may alter the economics of the printer market. The new inkjet platform, which will initially be geared toward the high end of the market, will incorporate the print head in the printer itself rather than in the ink cartridge. It means cheaper prints for consumers (about 24 cents per photo print) and faster output. HP says it has more than halved the time it takes to print a 4-inch-by-6-inch photo, to 14 seconds. The press release from HP has details on the new technology."

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  1. Photolithography by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Informative

    Print-head-in-printer has been around for a long time. The advance they've made is using photolithography for more of the construction process.

    1. Re:Photolithography by parvenu74 · · Score: 3, Funny

      So not only do the /. editors run story dupes, so does the PR team at HP... brilliant!

    2. Re:Photolithography by Reaperducer · · Score: 5, Funny

      So did my Commodore MPS-802 in 1985.

      I think the big story is that HP's invented a combination Wayback Machine and Reality Distortion Field.

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    3. Re:Photolithography by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 4, Interesting

      $.24 per copy??? Shoot, I can just put my photos on a CD-R after cleaning the pictures up and print them out at Walgreens for .19 a photo, and they look better! Have seen very few inkjets approach 'photo quality' output.

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    4. Re:Photolithography by Drachemorder · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "why print photos when there are such cooler ways to display them if you want to"

      Some of us have kinfolks who can barely turn on a computer, much less look at pictures on one. They aren't happy unless I give them something on paper.

    5. Re:Photolithography by gessel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...woo hoo... what an advance:

      Merrill's Steven Milunovich believes the new technology makes HP more competitive, and that "the foundation for longer-term price competition is evident." In a research note, he said that competitors may be pressured to introduce similar photolithographic capability. While HP claims to have a years-long head start with the technology, Milunovich says it may take that long for HP's new technology to trickle down to mainstream price points. - Forbes

      Oh yeah, do that research Forbes... later heard to say "duh... what's google?"

      Canon Full-photolithography Inkjet Nozzle Engineering (FINE) uses a high-performance 1,856-nozzle print head that ejects precise, consistent droplets as small as 1 picoliter, resulting in beautiful photos with virtually no detectable grain.

      Frobes might also have check Amazon for those prices:

      Refills of HP's new color Vivera ink cartridges will sell for $9.99, while older color ink cartridges can run $30 or more.

      Canon BCI-6BK Black Ink Tank $9.99.

      It'd be one thing if maybe the exact key words weren't so easily googled...

      Fact checking, a lost art.

      Canon's print head is not "built in" to the printer, meaning they've even developed a non-disposable printer too! Of course that's done really well for them...

      Survey results show that 85.6% of respondents reported they would most likely purchase an Epson printer, while no other vendor reached even 7%.

    6. Re:Photolithography by gasp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, I believe the reason for integrating disposable printheads with ink cartridges is largely driven by maintenance requirements and support costs. Inkjet print heads clog up and are somewhat finicky, especially over years of intermittent use. It's far easier to have users change the printhead when they change the ink cartridge.

      I'm very aware that Epson has been using non-disposable printheads integrated into the printer. This is in part why Epsons are generally more favored by high-end users. However, letting your Epson sit for a couple months or more can easily make it unusable, and cleaning the nozzles with alcohol can ruin them. (A glycol solution is available that does a great job.)

      I had an Epson CS880 that I modified with a homebrew CFS ink system to avoid paying for new ink carts, it worked great, but I had to clean it often especially if nothing was printed for several days. I had to soak the nozzles overnight once after not printing for a month. Eventually after another period of disuse I couldn't get the nozzles all working again and had to toss the whole printer.

      I replaced it with an Epson SP-R300 and a new CFS system (not homebrew-this model has chipped carts) and now have my server sending a 6-color test page to it each night to prevent nozzle clogs. It's great printer, except for the whole cartridge-chipping thing. It makes using a CFS a lot more complicated, and cheats non-CFS users out of using all the ink in each cart.

      As for using laserjets, you gotta be kidding? Show me a $100 laser printer that can print photo quality color at over 5000dpi. With my CFS-modded R300 (~$400US) I can print 4x6 photos for about 16 cents each.

    7. Re:Photolithography by spectre_240sx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please, get your facts straight. For one thing, inkjets are way too slow for that type of use. They just wouldn't be able to handle the load of customers. Secondly, they cost too much. Better printers can make your prints for much less than an inkjet costs. How much do you think they pay for those $0.19 prints? Last of all, have you taken a look at a print from a mini-lab? There's a noticable difference.

      Most mini-labs use either a dye-sub or some type of lightjet process to make their prints. Not the best quality you can get, but far greater than that of an inkjet for glossy prints. Not to mention the fact that they're about 10 times faster.

  2. All Carley's Fault by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Funny

    I blame Carley for this concept seeing the light of day. If she hadn't left the company so abruptly, such innovation technology would have been soundly buried, the employees sacked, and the tech developed by a competitor. Instead, HP is producing equipment based on this!

    It used to be that you could count on HP to produce absolutely nothing of interest and sap up every failing tech company on the market. What is the world coming to?

  3. My prediction by njfuzzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    HP makes their money off of ink, not printers. My prediction is that this will allow them to produce cartridges more cheaply, but they will still charge as much for them.

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    1. Re:My prediction by jfengel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it's more likely they'll produce them for a fifth as much, and charge half as much. They'll still look great compared to the competition, the actual price per photo goes down, and they make a bundle.

    2. Re:My prediction by peculiarmethod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which keeps them from supporting internal advances in quality ink. What I will pay for is sun resistant ink with a shelf life of at least a 100 years. And I want it cheap. Enough of this disposable "they will pay and pay" model.

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    3. Re:My prediction by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Putting a part that's subject to significant wear and tear into the printer itself suggests to me that their goal is making the printer a disposable device that's consumed and replaced just like printer cartridges are.

      The photolithography tech in the printer sounds interesting (and probably heavily protected with patents) but it sounds like the value to a consumer like me may not be significant when all costs for purchase and replacement are considered over a three year term (or thereabout).

    4. Re:My prediction by afidel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why would this make them cheaper than the competition? Canon and Epson already integrate the print head into the printer rather than the cartridge. Of course HP's argument was always that you got better and more reliable output by recieving a new printhead each time you reaplced the cartridge, not sure how they will deal with their own PR (similar to Intel and the Mhz myth).

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    5. Re:My prediction by gadgetbox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not news...it's a carefully placed ad in Forbes. If you dig deep enough, you'll find that there is a PR company behind the "story" being published in Forbes. HP pays the company to convince various "news" outlets to make their press release appear to be news. /. is merely contributing to that by providing more free advertising. Real news reporting is practically dead....

  4. The Best Way To Print... by nokilli · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is to not print at all. I haven't had a printer for a decade now, and those two or three times that I've missed it were easily remedied by a trip to a Kinko's or some such similar service.

    I have to believe that with the greater reliance on web and email for communications, along with bigger and better monitors, that most of the rest of you will cease missing their printers as well within the next few years.

    So HP invented a new way to print, just it time for nobody to care.

    1. Re:The Best Way To Print... by DogDude · · Score: 3, Informative

      Still totally unrealistic for businesses, but nice try.

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    2. Re:The Best Way To Print... by jmacleod9975 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thats not half as bad as the anti-tv zealots that feel a need to mention that they never watch tv every time it is mentioned just so they can feel superior.

      So what if you have a girlfriend, and are in shape, and actually do some open-source programming in your new-found spare time.

      You can pry my remote-control out of my cold dead hands.

    3. Re:The Best Way To Print... by Golias · · Score: 4, Funny

      Although I realize you mean documents, Walmart lets you upload photos for printing and pick them up at the store. It's pretty slick.

      Being able to upload documents to a store's printer to pick up later is a great idea... but better still, if you have a printer/fax, then you would not even need to go pick them up, because they could fax them to you and save you the trip! :P

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  5. Informative Article by vmcto · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nice article about the new system and printer here.

  6. Print head in the printer itself? by Alyred · · Score: 5, Informative

    How is this "inventing" a new way to print? Hasn't Epson been doing this for years in their printers?

    I know when I replace my printer cartridge on my Epson I just replace the ink, unlike the old HP I used to have where I replaced the head every time.

    Of course, this might be a new thing for HP to sell new printers, as when the ink dries in the head the whole printer has to be replaced. One of the downsides that we've always had to deal with in an Epson.

    -Alyred

  7. Ouch by Spackler · · Score: 4, Funny

    So now will the whole printer expire instead of just the ink cartridge?

  8. Ink Prices? by abcxyz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Most of the complaints against HP printers surrounds their replacement cartridge prices. Looks like, from the Forbes article that the new ones will be in the $10 price range. Curious to see how they turn this into their new cash cow. (Maybe 6 really, really low-capacity cartridges?)

  9. ..and Gates invented the PC. by teknickle · · Score: 4, Informative

    Epson has had print heads in the inkjet printers for a long time. That's why the ink cartridges are only $7 retail (I got a dozen for ~$15 on ebay).

    Canon used to have theirs seperate from the little ink wells so that you could replace the heads independent of each other.

    The 'heads' are just micro-voltage actuated valves. The ones built into cartridge heads have short lifetimes (hence why you shouldn't refill more than 3 or 4 times). The quality of heads in the Epson are much sturdier, but then you waste alot of ink trying to purge clogged valves.

    I used to work on a LARGE printer (printed directly to custom cardboard boxes). The printheads were made by Marsh printing (~400 just to have them repacked) and was bigger than my fist. (can you see me clenching).

    Anyway, not a new idea. Just a 'new specific implementation'.

  10. Please stup the marketing! by imsabbel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Come on! "New Way to Print" my ASS.
    This is just corporate newspeak saying "we are taking over the technique our closest competitors have been using since 1995".

    Single ink tanks&co arent innovative in any way. The same with permanent printing heads. It was just HPs idea of product marketing up to now to maximize running costs by making everything disposable.

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  11. Canon is better than both by WD_40 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Canon has a printhead that is seperate from the ink carts, but also replaceable if it gets fouled up, thus allowing you to replace only the parts that need it.

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  12. Re:cheaper ink??? by Andrew+Tanenbaum · · Score: 3, Informative

    By taking the print head out of the cartridge, this does make the carts cheaper.

  13. Re:cheaper ink??? by eclectro · · Score: 3, Informative

    now if they could just lower the price on ink cartridges. 45 bucks to refill my ink is a bit steep

    RTFA. They are coming out with a lowend printer that will have black and color cartridges at $15 and $18, with the printer costing $50.

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  14. Printing changes by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except that people use printers diffrently now than they used to.

    The biggest change is that you really can print photos at home now. Ten years ago that wasn't practical. People like having physical copies of their photos for an album, and you just can't replicate that with a screen. There are services that let you do it online, but a lot of people like the control that they get from having it right there: they can choose the paper and do a lot of tweaking right at home.

    In addition, new kinds of paper have opened up new opportunities to use your printer: bumper stickers, tee shirts, even tattoos. You can't get those at Kinko's.

    So I'd hardly say that nobody cares. In fact with the digital cameras many people care more than ever. (Not to mention that most schools still won't accept your homework on a CD-ROM.)

    1. Re:Printing changes by Golias · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...new opportunities to use your printer... even tattoos.

      Dude, if you can fit your arm through the line-feeder of a typical inkjet printer, you seriously need to hit the gym.

      (I keed, I keed!)

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  15. Some ideas for "grand new printer design" for 2005 by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 3, Funny

    -> do not pay executives $42 million just for quitting, this should lower cost per page by at least 2 or 3 cents
    -> do not hire executives who just came from worldcom, this will easily lower cost per page 5 or 6 cents
    -> do not build DRM chips into ink cartridges, which can obviously lower the price per page by 10 cents
    -> use the money saved by lowering executive pay to hire some actual engineers, so that the company, you know, actually might build some products

  16. Yes, what IS new about this? STARTED this way. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Informative

    How is this "inventing" a new way to print? Hasn't Epson been doing this for years in their printers?

    Heck: The first inkjet printer I ever dealt with was back in the early '70s, when they had just been invented. It was a prototype with a spinning drum holding the paper, a carriage with the ultrasonic-driven spitters, and three bottles hooked to the carriage by flexible tubes.

    Quite an advance at the time. B-)

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  17. HP product degradation by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Don't worry, this is HP. They'll make up for it somehow, probably by raising the price of ink even higher. And as an added bonus, they'll make their printer drivers even more unstable and difficult to install."

    Trends, huh? Just like their making the printers with bizarre hump shapes so you can't set anything on top of them. The wide black mouth of the 5550 printer gapes and laughs, like some sort of plastic ink-guzzling sinister giant clam: "Yes, you have IRREVOCABLY lost this desk space!" This is an example of outright poor design: form defeating function. Canon is at least as bad.

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  18. hardly news by Atilla · · Score: 3, Informative

    so what? other manufacturers have been doing this forever.

    also, there is a much higher chance of the nozzles getting clogged on a built-in head system (people with cheap lexmarks and canons know what i'm talking about). I actually prefer having the printhead on the cartridge - you'll never have to throw the printer away if the jets have been clogged with dried ink.

    It is possible to clean them out sometimes by running some isopropyl through the heads instead of ink, but i've run in to several printers that got caked up so bad that nothing would clean them.

    I wish that the printer manufacturers would make the HEADS and the CARTRIDGES easy to replace. On most of them, you have to take the carriage assembly half way apart to get the heads to slide off.

    on a side note, I don't think that inkjet market is going to change direction any time soon - they make most of their money on cartridges. As long as you'll be able to buy a printer for $39 at wallyworld, ink will not be cheap.

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  19. Laserjets are worthless for photos. by RedBear · · Score: 4, Informative

    They will just jack up the ink price further to make the final price even again. Makes me think the whole reason the head was on the cartridge was to make thirdparty cartridges difficult to make or copy.

    We should all be exclusively using laserjets anyway, why is anyone happy the inkjet technology has a new lease on life?


    Where I work we have a $2,400 HP color laser printer. I also have experience with a color laser printer at a local university that I'm sure cost about twice that much. Both are absolutely worthless for printing photos. Any $50 inkjet photo printer can kick their ass for photo printing, not on speed or cost but on how the prints look. The worst inkjets I've ever seen didn't print photos as badly as the laserjets do.

    Graphs and charts? Sure, go color laser, if you can afford the initial investment which will be around $500 at a minimum. Laserjets are great with big blocks of color, and cheaper over the long run. But a $99 Epson inkjet that uses Ultrachrome inks will get you an archival quality photo print with incredible color gamut and accuracy, and should last 70-200 years depending on what paper you use. If you print 8x10 or larger most of the time it's also cheaper than using a commercial photo printing service.

    For monochrome and non-photo color business printing, laserjets all the way. For home and business photo printing there really isn't an alternative to inkjet besides dye sublimation, and dye-sub printers are expensive and very inflexible, plus studies show that dye-sub prints fade almost as fast as most inkjet prints.

    It's all about using the right tool for the job.