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Best Setup for Mapping in Undeveloped Countries?

Floodimus asks: "My girlfriend lives and works in West Africa and on my next visit she has asked me to help her do some mapping of uncharted villages. I want to make this study really accurate and useful, so I am thinking about using high tech and low tech resources such as GPS and good old fashioned compasses, but I was wondering what the Slashdot crowd would recommend for GPS hardware (does GPS equipment from the US work over there?), field equipment, mapping software etc. I use both PCs and Macs and would like the software to run on the Mac, but it doesn't have to. What's the best, most rugged stuff you've used? Where are some resources that would help me out?"

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  1. Rugged GPS units by bobcat7677 · · Score: 5, Informative

    To my knowledge, Trimble makes the best/most rugged GPS units available. They supply the military. They also have specialized equiptment for mapping. Here is the linkage: http://www.trimble.com/

    There are also armored/waterproof cases and what not you can get for the more common off-the-shelf units.

    As for software and compatability...I'll defer to someone else to post on that.

    1. Re:Rugged GPS units by Jurisenpai · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can answer that! I just might work for a Trimble dealer! :)

      For mapping, I recommend the new Recon GPS Card Edition. It's under 2K, TerraSync software included, and gets autonomous accuracy of 5-10 meters. The Recon is also rugged, and can withstand drops, mud, sand, floods, etc. If you're worried about charging it, you can buy a car charger for out in the field as well as an international charger that has adapters for quite a few countries.

      Trimble is running some really good specials right now on Recons; call your local dealer and see what they can do.

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  2. GPS hardware reviews @ http://gpsinformation.net/ by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://gpsinformation.net/

    Hope this helps

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  3. Best GPS for travelling by codell · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you're looking for something compact, rugged and with a decent screen, the Garmin 60CS would be a good choice. I've had mine for two years and have put it through hell - backcountry hiking, sailing, flying, dousing it in mud, beer and water (it's waterproof.) The screen is small but readable in just about any lighting condition (great in direct sun!)

    My only complaint with Garmin is the expense of the maps, but I've yet to see much serious competition as far as hardware goes.

  4. Specific African info about GPS & Mapping by jan+de+bont · · Score: 5, Informative

    Good generic GPS info plus specific tips for mapping in Africa to be found here: http://www.gpswaypoints.co.za/

  5. Cartography by GCP · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't invent the field of cartography from scratch. Study it before you leave.

    I don't know what "mapping" means in your case. Are you trying to show where each village is or are you trying to create street maps of the major towns? In any case, find out what maps already exist, then go get yourself the best satellite photos you can find, and when you get there, prepare to rent small aircraft for some aerial photography. Trying to map West Africa on foot from scratch with a pocket GPS device would be a fool's errand.

    And be VERY CAREFUL. People who make maps are often considered spies by people who carry guns. You'd better be very sure you know what you are doing and have the necessary permission from whoever (official or unofficial) controls the guns in the region you are mapping.

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  6. Political considerations by derdesh · · Score: 5, Informative

    You should also be careful of the impression you make on local police or military personel. I don't doubt that many of them would be suspicious of an American (since you asked about U.S. equipment) wandering around with electronic devices to map villages or roads.

    Never mind that if the military or intelligence agencies really wanted to know where things were, satellite images would be even more accurate than a cheap/rugged GPS. Many West African countries make it illegal to photograph airports, military bases, police stations and the like.

    I'm not saying don't do it, just be careful who sees you. No reason to give excuses for an anti-western, self-important jerk with an automatic rifle to harrass you.

    1. Re:Political considerations by grcumb · · Score: 4, Informative

      "You've got to be kidding....why would this bother them?"

      A bunch of different coloured people speaking a foreign tongue wander all over your home town with some kind of weird sensing equipment that you've never seen before in your life.

      If you can name one town in the USA where behaviour like that wouldn't result in phone calls to (and questions from) the local authorities, I'll agree that the GP was out of line.

      But you won't. So no, he's not kidding. People in small towns are just like that.

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  7. NO!! by Minstrel+Boy · · Score: 4, Informative
    This is totally false and potentially harmful. GPS receivers do *NOT* come with built-in compasses, at least I don't know of any that have them. GPS tells you exactly four things, to various degrees of accuracy and precision:

    latitude, longitude, elevation, time

    *Everything* else is interpolated from that info, and if you lose satellites, you lose everything. Even if you stand still, GPS won't tell you where north is; you have to be moving so it can triangulate.

    A GPS has some capabilities that overlap with a magnetic compass, and vice versa, but it is extremely risky and potentially hazardous to substitute one for the other.

    That being said, I don't know what the OP was planning to do with a compass for mapping villages anyway: a compass doesn't tell you where you are, it only tells you what direction you're facing.

    KeS

  8. Best mapping and spatial software available by Hungus · · Score: 5, Informative
    I would go with PostGIS and Grass on your Mac if GIS data is available for her region ( and it is). Then you have a nice database system to drop all your GPS data into for mapping and a boatload of other uses.

    GRASS GIS (Geographic Resources Analysis Support System) is an open source, Free Software Geographical Information System (GIS) with raster, topological vector, image processing, and graphics production functionality that operates on various platforms through a graphical user interface and shell in X-Windows. It is released under GNU General Public License ( GPL ).
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  9. Be ULTRA careful by FitGeek · · Score: 5, Informative

    I travel in and out of Africa about once a month on business, hitting about 15 countries on average each year. I can tell you from experience that it is VERY dangerous to be seen using a GPS near Military installations, railroads, shipping, and anything the locals consider of strategic value. This generally means about everything. You should be extremely circumspect when using the GPS. You may have it confiscated, or you may end up in a cell somewhere with arabic graffiti on the walls. Not good. Your best bet is to make sure you contact your local embassy in the country, and ask their communications personnel about local sensitivities to GPS. You could always ask the Regional Security Officer (RSO) also, but be forewarned that they often err on the side of safety, have a poor understanding of much tech, and could very well say not without a moment's hesitatin to avoid having to retrieve you from your cell when you are snagged. Best bet; use it for quick position fixes, then put it away. It is also not safe to display an item that costs more than most locals make in a month of hard labor. Good luck!

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  10. Yes! But not all. by CRepetski · · Score: 5, Informative
    It is true that some handheld GPS units do not come with a built-in compass. In this case, you will need to have a satellite lock AND be moving in order to find north. (My Magellan Sportrak Pro falls under this category)

    HOWEVER, many handheld GPS units, especially slightly higher end ones DO come with built in compasses, and can tell you which way is north even when you're in the basement of a building with absolutely no satellite reception and you're not moving. (My Brunton MNS falls under this category)

    Bottom line, you should know what you're buying and what features it has before you get it.

    On a somewhat related note, having a built-in compass can be extremely useful, as it will tell you how far away and in what direction a mark is even when you're not moving - it will tell you relative to the orientation of the GPS. Many units without a built in compass only tell you in what direction a mark is relative to direction of travel - so this can be very confusing if you're standing still or haven't oriented the unit in the direction of travel. Hope this made at least an inkling of sense.

  11. Use GRINGO not WAAS by monopole · · Score: 4, Informative

    While GPS works everywhere, the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS) is only useful for the Continental US. WAAS units will work elsewere but they will only have the resolution of standard GPS. If you need better than standard C/A code accuracy use Carrier Differential (CDGPS) mapping using two Garmin recievers and a copy of GRINGO (http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/iessg/gringo/).

    The Garmin Rhino units w/ integrated FRS Walkie Talkie units are vaery rugged and may be handy for survey. Additionally, to quote the Operation Iraqi Freedom
    PEO Soldier Lessons Learned report:

    Commercial GPS: As is widely known, many soldiers purchase their own GPS systems rather than use the PLGR. The Rhino was provided to the 82d as part of the rapid fielding initiative. Overall, soldiers were very appreciative of this addition to their MTOE. The Rhino was a vast improvement over the PLGR because of the weight, volume, power consumption and performance - the Rhino consistently acquired satellites faster than the PLGR. However, the soldiers stated they did not use the communications capabilities of the Rhino, at least not extensively, because it was not secure and consumed batteries too quickly in this mode.

    If it survives the front lines in Iraq, West Africa should be a cake walk.

  12. Re:Hello? by grcumb · · Score: 4, Informative

    I work in remote, undeveloped countries (doing IT, if you can believe it) and I can confidently say that your biggest problem is going to be power.

    Do yourself a favour and:

    1. Make sure that your GPS runs on batteries.
    2. Go out and get yourself 2-3 full sets of rechargeable batteries for every GPS device.
    3. Buy a solar battery charger that is capable of charging a full set in less than 3 hours.
    4. Bring lots of mosquito repellant. 40% DEET or better is recommended. That way you won't drop or damage the GPS as you flail madly at the bugs. 8^)
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  13. Some free solutions by nadaou · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hardware:
    Get a Garmin handheld GPS with a 12v adaptor & download cable, and probably a crate of AA batts.
    Stick with consumer stuff. Buying a spare or 3 is cheaper than buying a Trimble survey grade and they all work well enough.

    GPS Software:
    Download GPStrans &/or GPSbabel.
    http://gpstrans.sourceforge.net/
    http://www.gpsbabel.org/
    You can load the GPS waypoints/track/routes into a mapping format with GRASS GIS's v.in.garmin or gpsbabel+anything.

    Mapping software:
    Use QGIS. http://qgis.org/
    Use GPS plugin.

    Data:
    Start by downloading SRTM elevation data and VMAP0 digital chart of the world data. Best there will be publicly available for Africa.

    Instructions for converting into a usable format here:
    http://grass.ibiblio.org/newsletter/GRASSNews_vol3 .pdf

    Import and crop with GRASS GIS (r.in.srtm and v.in.ogr modules) and either use with QGIS directly or export into a secondary more popular format for use with other software.

    GRASS works well on a Mac. http://grass.ibiblio.org/

    GPS interface programs should work on a Mac, GPStrans is command line only so with some hacking and GPSbabel is well maintained so there should be a Mac port by now.

    SRTM: http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/
    VMAP0: http://www.mapability.com/info/vmap0_index.html

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  14. Turning Off GPS or Selective Availability by billstewart · · Score: 4, Informative
    The US government would almost *never* consider an emergency severe enough to turn off GPS, except possibly an incoming nuclear cruise missile. That's a really extreme case. What they might do, if they were very upset about something, would be to toggle the Selective Availability switch, which reduces your GPS accuracy to about 50-100 meters instead of 10 meters (enough that a nuclear missile is unlikely to precisely hit the lid of a missile silo or other heavily armored target), but even that's very unlikely these days. And they can set that differently in different areas, so even if it's turned off in Iraq, it'd still be ok in Ghana.

    Since you're talking about charting villages in Ghana, worst case is you'll have a 100 meter uncertainty in their locations, which is probably still much better than you have now. More likely you'd have a 5-10 meter uncertainty, and you'd have a similar uncertainty with nearby landmarks (so if the village is next to the river, they're both uncertain by 10 meters but you can see where the river is.)

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  15. Re:Hello? by rworne · · Score: 4, Informative

    Illegal meaning the country being visited might consider a GPS to be "military equipment". The US and most if not all Western countries don't care, but 3rd world countries may. Checking with the local consulate of the country being visited should clear the matter up.

    Check here.

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