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Rate Your IM Popularity

aicrules writes "The internet has long been a safe haven, and thus a play-field-leveling force, for the less socially adept to create a network of friends to share in fun, games, and conversation. However, it appears as if the influence of the social ladder is creeping its way in. While it will certainly lend itself to the abuse that any online scoring system faces, AimFight is the new place where people can go to check their popularity against others." From the article: "Your popularity is based on who has you on their buddy list. There's a complicated algorithm at work here. Your score is measured to the third degree, in the sense of the 'six degrees of separation' game that seeks to link anybody on Earth to any other person through no more than five friends. Say a couple of your friends, A and B, have you on their buddy lists. A, who has three people on her buddy list, doesn't add much to your score. That's because she doesn't have as many people on her buddy list as does B, who has 16. Your friend A is clearly not as well-connected as your friend B. Not unlike life."

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  1. Without the silly flash interface by DosBubba · · Score: 5, Informative
  2. Missing option: No-gottum IM by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Insightful
    No IM, No Cell Phone, just peachy working on having friends in the local, physical world.

    So if we're supposed to be getting away from this, what's with the Friends thing on /. ??

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    1. Re:Missing option: No-gottum IM by Bonker · · Score: 2, Funny

      I must suck since I don't use IM.

      Strangely, I still seem to be able to get laid whenever I want.

      Hmm... Seems that my Geek Card is expired. Not sure I'm going to renew.

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    2. Re:Missing option: No-gottum IM by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No IM, tried it twice and found it to be the most invasive annoying technology I've ever used. As far as cell phone, I have a pre-paid T-mobile for basic use but that's about it. I also don't have many friends... but that doesn't bother me as I tend to be a bit solitary and quite enjoy it. I think this always connected stuff is a bit out of hand. Last Weekend I was at State College (Penn State Alum) at the arts festival and every single person on the street and in bars is on a cell phone. two people walking together down the road both on cell phones... four people sitting at a bar together, all four on cell phones. Why even go out? What do people get from this? I guess this fad missed me by one generation and jeebus am I glad.

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    3. Re:Missing option: No-gottum IM by sp0rk173 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Strangely, I still seem to be able to get laid whenever I want.

      You just choose not to, right?

  3. why is this under hardware? by jabella · · Score: 2, Interesting

    just curious.

    highest score i've seen so far is in the 20,000 range.

    1. Re:why is this under hardware? by The-Bus · · Score: 2, Funny

      My girlfriend's is over 25,000.

      (Insert Tired Joke #2522 here)

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  4. Still no friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dang, and I thought online no one knew I had no friends.

  5. The real winners by otter42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So who's going to win this?

    Why, the zombie hackers of course. I imagine that their ICQ buddy lists must be light-years long.

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    1. Re:The real winners by ZephyrXero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I do seriously wonder what's the point of such a service? To make people feel good about themselves by being told they have lots of friends or will it be used as a security messure to make sure it's not just a spambot trying to add you to their buddy list? That might actually be useful...

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    2. Re:The real winners by Nytewynd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, it isn't just how many friends you have. It is how many friends your friends have. That means as long as a geek latches on to a popular person, they can be popular by proxy.

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    3. Re:The real winners by cavemanf16 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's to prove that the younger you are, the truly more 'hip' you are. For instance, my younger brother by 4 years is a *little* more popular than I am, while my sister who is 10 years younger (18yrs old and on her way to college) ranked in the top 5% of AIM users! Yikes! She blew me out of the water. But c'mon, we all had more friends during high school and/or college than we do as we grow older. Grandma and grandpa's all over the US would score in the bottom 0.1% of AIM users simply because a bunch of people from their generation are dead now.

      Still, it's a fun use of an interesting algorithm.

    4. Re:The real winners by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 4, Funny

      That means as long as a geek latches on to a popular person, they can be popular by proxy.

      Sweet, just like High School!

  6. OK by Shut+the+fuck+up! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Outside of 13 year olds, Who the hell gives a flying fuck about their IM popularity?

  7. Only works for AIM of course by jandrese · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This fight is for people who aren't technical and are in the US. I score very low because most of my friends (and their friends) are on ICQ.

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    1. Re:Only works for AIM of course by Kethinov · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Uh, ICQ is owned by AOL now, chap. And neither AIM nor ICQ segregate based off country, nor is there any difference in the technical skills of the users.

      Now, if you just want to be an elitist and advocate a better protocol, feel free. But I would suggest you stop advocating ICQ and start advocating Jabber. :)

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  8. I don't have any. by elgee · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have no friends whatsoever. At least not human friends.

    AmISnotOrNot ?

  9. Well that was unexpected by doublem · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess those high school bullies really did peak in high school.

    I'm incredibly popular by this measure, and one of the jerks who tormented me is a virtual unknown!

    Karma, it can be a bitch.

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    1. Re:Well that was unexpected by pHatidic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Similarly, I noticed that all the girls I'm friends with are vastly more popular than the guys I'm friends with. And it seems that as breast size increases, popularity also does. The sad thing here is that I'm not even trolling, try it for yourself.

    2. Re:Well that was unexpected by jinzumkei · · Score: 2, Funny

      Really? Let me borrow a pen, so I can write that down on the list of things I give a shit about.

  10. This sounds really cool... by g0bshiTe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh never mind, I'm not 12 anymore.

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    1. Re:This sounds really cool... by Seumas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I found it kind of interesting, but not for popularity.

      I did a little search on my accounts and compared them to each other. I was most interested in the account I've had for about seven years that AOL shut down out of nowhere for no reason with no explanation (and they wouldn't help unless I became an AOL subscriber).

      My main account these days is around 3,000 on that scale.

      The account I've had for seven years, but haven't been able to use for almost two years now, was 23,000 on that scale.

      Just goes to show that if someone where to just yank away your email account or AIM account or phone number out of nowhere, you potentially lose a lot of contacts and communication. Even if you retain contact lists, the retention rate when you switch contact methods is never complete.

  11. Nerds! by endeitzslash · · Score: 3, Funny

    Everyone knows that popularity in real-life is based on whether you're on the football team and how many girls have held still long enough for you to nail them!

    Now would you like fries with that?

  12. Quality by demachina · · Score: 2, Informative

    As in many things in life its quality not quantity that counts. Having 100 blithering idiots on your friends list, who also have a 100 blithering idiots on theirs doesn't score in my book. In fact its a net negative versus having 10 people who have a clue and have something to say, because the 100 idiots can bug you all day every day and are just wasting your tim.

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  13. The summer that never ended.. by EvilStein · · Score: 3, Interesting

    myspace being bought out, the growing popularity of all these online "social networking" sites (read: online ego jerkoff sessions, basically) and now this?

    Ugh. More & more 'tweeners that don't know squat about computers except how to click & install Napster and AIM.

    I'm saddened at what the Internet has become.

    1. Re:The summer that never ended.. by Angron · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously! The internet should only be for people who are really into computers! That way only intelligent people would be online - you know, people whose activities I consider to be worthwhile. Then I wouldn't have to deal with idiots online! Yeah!

  14. screenname auction by Se7enLC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was going to give up my old ScreenName to get a better one...

    but I'm thinking with a score of 18245, I should sell it on eBay instead

  15. Oh I get, Slashdot changed their format,,,, by dfn_deux · · Score: 4, Funny

    On my system it says something about "stuff that matters" in the upper right corner of this site...

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  16. AIM popularity, not IM by c0ldfusi0n · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's only for AIM, doesn't take into consideration MSN messanger, Yahoo, ICQ, RendezVous, Jabber or any other protocols. I'm sure i'd fare better than 1780 on MSN.

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  17. Re:How? by thegamerformelyknown · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's run by AOL anyways, so I imagine it's all secure and such...

  18. Re:How? by DustyShadow · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you look at the bottom of the page, it is owned by American Online. I'm pretty sure they have full access to the AIM database =) This "news" post seems very much like an advertisement to me.

  19. Random nonsense by ahem · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, just on a whim, I decided to see what things were more popular:

    apple (6293) vs orange (7389)
    coke (3830) vs pepsi (4274)
    snoopy (10653) vs garfield (3791)

    and finally...

    bush (2884) vs freedom (1422)
    bush vs iraq (1241)
    bush vs democracy (3)

    and most telling of all
    bush vs decency (0)

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  20. Re:Hardware? by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    that'll be corrected in the dupe

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  21. Algorithms by cynic10508 · · Score: 3, Funny

    There's a complicated algorithm at work here.

    Translation: "We're not really sure how we got it to work. Basically we just randomly fiddled with things until we got an acceptable output." Much like the time-test C programming technique of adding/removing * and & to pointers until it works.

  22. Isn't that kind of backwards...? by hayh · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A, who has three people on her buddy list, doesn't add much to your score...Your friend A is clearly not as well-connected as your friend B

    It seems to me that A should add more to my score than B does, because A is more selective as to whom she considers her friend.

    It's like being A-listed (pun intended).

  23. Worklists make you popular by cornjones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This will be wildly scewed by people who use IM for work. In my experience, most workplaces use MSN but I am sure some use AIM. I have dozens of workmates grouped by their functional area. According to this, I am really popular. THere are people here at work that have 100s in their lists, since they are on my list does that make me cool?

  24. Nobody expects by RealProgrammer · · Score: 4, Funny

    their Spammish AIM position!

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  25. Re:I liked this game better when it was called... by HarvardAce · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Except that with BuddyZoo, you had to upload your buddy list to the site, so it could only calculate based on the data that users voluntarily uploaded. This site, on the other hand, was done by AOL and therefore has access to ALL buddy lists!

    An interesting note on BuddyZoo and degrees of separation -- it was created by one of the creators of Synapse, the other co-creator being the creator of thefacebook.com, with whom I worked on a small project several years ago.

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  26. Buddyzoo? by qodfathr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sounds a lot like www.buddyzoo.com, which has been around a Real Long Time now.

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  27. Re:"Social Ladder"? by CDS · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IM has become an ESSENTIAL part of my work. We pass code snippets, ask each other design questions, and even share pieces of screenshots ("I'm seeing something really weird. Here is a shot showing the anomoly" etc...)

    IM has the advantage of being slightly more immediate than email, yet can be freely ignored if you're busy with something else. When you're concentrating on something important and someone sends an IM, you can just hit ESC and close the window. That's a bit more difficult to do with a ringing phone...

    Also, IM has the advantage of automatic logging. Everything I send or receive is logged on my PC (with the option for manual deletion). I can go back and refer to an answer later. You can't do that with a phone conversation either.

    All in all, my work would be much more difficult without IM.

  28. Re:How? by e03179 · · Score: 3, Informative
    "this is an example of some of our new AIM server APIs that we expect to make public in the near future"
    from an AOL IM dev a few days ago.
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  29. The best part, hands-down: by Marc2k · · Score: 2, Funny

    From the "What Is AimFight?" section:
    What can fighting really prove? Using a complicated algorithm, AIM® Fight crawls through the depths of the Internet to answer the all-important question that plagues us all blah blah

    Yee-ikes, traversing a tree is wicked hard. I'm glad I never had to learn to do anything like that in...oh, say..Comp Sci 1.

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  30. Re:"Social Ladder"? by mcb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah you're a little out of touch. I'm a senior in college and everyone I know uses AIM, and has since freshman year. This includes both nerds and 'popular' people.

    In fact the 'popular' people generally have way more contacts and seem to get im'd nonstop all day.

  31. Re:Privacy implications? by Zammo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What if I don't want my 'popularity' published?

  32. ICQ by Shads · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can also use your icq# to get a popularity rating based on that.

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  33. Re:Quick Perl hack by ForumTroll · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's not your fault it's ugly that's just the effect Perl has on anything. ;-)

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