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LinuxCare Resurfaces as Linux Device Vendor

An anonymous reader submits "LinuxCare, famous employer of Rasmus, Tridge, and others during the go-go-90's Linux start-up days, has resurfaced as a Linux device vendor. The company, now known as Levanta, is shipping its first hardware product, which it says is the 'world's first Linux management appliance.' At nearly $8K, it's pretty expensive, but the Integra M does appear to bring some of the cool sysadmin features long available on the Windows side over to Linux IT types."

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  1. Good old sysadmin cloning by RoceKiller · · Score: 4, Funny

    From Levantas frontpage:
    "For Us, Levanta is the next best thing to cloning our system administrator."
    - Joe Poole, Boscov's Tedhinical Support Manager

    1. Re:Good old sysadmin cloning by Hyesh · · Score: 2, Funny

      From Levantas frontpage:

      "©2005 Levanta. No part of this website may be reproduced without express written permission"

      See you in five to ten minumum...can't just run around copying and posting stuff from copyrighted websit...wait...d'oh!

  2. The automation of system administration by ReformedExCon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Levanta is right in that the most crucial aspect of running a Linux network is having the manpower available to handle all the issues that arise. They solve this by introducing their hardware/software combination that makes such administration easier and more automated than before.

    But you'd never know it by skimming their site. Like many tech wizards, they get bogged down with technical details and fail to clearly present their product in a coherent manner.

    For all the slick web designing that went into their site, someone could have had the decency to tell them to "dumb it down" for the CIOs out there who haven't got the time to dig into their literature.

    After reading the site, I'm still not clear on what the name of the administrative tool is, nor the limitations as to the number of nodes I can attach to the admin machine.

    There are some very keen concepts that seem to mimic the concept of a system emulator, where the administrator can deploy experimentally and see the results of those deployments without causing system-wide disaster.

    I just wish it were better presented.

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    1. Re:The automation of system administration by Bandraginus · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Agreed. Techies don't hold the purse strings, and they should be well aware by now that "coolness" factor simply doesn't cut it with PHBs.

      Mind you, that cost is still well under the cut-off point at which most level 3 managers can sign off on, so there's a chance that it might gain some market traction.

      Still, no matter how bad the material on the website is, it's still fantastic seeing these kinds of products coming out. Good to see these guys haven't given up.

    2. Re:The automation of system administration by leandrod · · Score: 2, Insightful
      they get bogged down with technical details and fail to clearly present their product in a coherent manner.

      On the contrary, there are no relevant technical details, only some very, very high-level, ambiguous conceptual stuff.

      someone could have had the decency to tell them to "dumb it down" for the CIOs out there who haven't got the time to dig into their literature.

      Well, it is dumbed down for the CIOs, perhaps not enough for the CEOs but who cares -- such a system will be sold to them by the CIOs, they won't read this kinda stuff. It's us techies who are left in the cold, and the mention of 'systems administration' and 'MySQL' in the same pages does not bide well, nor the claims of patented software technologies.

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    3. Re:The automation of system administration by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Altiris® Server Management Suite(TM) System Requirements

      Altiris® Server Management Suite(TM) requires that you install and configure the Altiris Notification Server(TM).

      Notification Server Minimum Requirements

              * Processor--Pentium* lll 800 MHz or faster
              * Memory--1 GB RAM
              * Hard drive--20 GB
      LOOK HERE-> * Operating system--Windows* Server 2003 or Windows 2000 Server SP2 or later
      LOOK HERE-> * Database--Microsoft* SQL Server 2000 SP3 restricted to less than 50 percent of available memory. Note: MSDE 2000 recommended for evaluation purposes only.
      LOOK HERE-> * Browser--Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 or later
      LOOK HERE-> * Package servers (remote distribution points)--Windows NT* or Windows 2000/XP/2003 and a large hard drive
      LOOK HERE-> * File system--NTFS
      LOOK HERE-> * Services--Microsoft Windows Internet Information Services (IIS)
      LOOK HERE-> * Services--Microsoft .NET Framework* 1.1

      LOOK HERE->Supported Windows Platforms

              * Windows NT Server 4.0
              * Windows 2000 Server
              * Windows Server 2003

      Supported UNIX/Linux Platforms
      LOOK HERE->Note: Not all Server Management Suite features are supported on all platforms.

              * AIX* 4.3,3, 5.1, 5.2
              * HP-UX* 10.20, 11, 11i
              * Red Hat* 7.2, 7.3, 8.0, Advanced Server 2.1
              * Solaris* 7, 8, 9 (Sparc)
              * SuSE* 8.0, 8.1, Enterprise Server 8
              * UnitedLinux* 1.0

      Right - I reaallly reaally want this to manage my Linux server farm...

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    4. Re:The automation of system administration by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have a different definition of coolness than I do.

      I don't think the product is cool at all.

      Why?

      I don't know what it is at all.

      They don't actually say, in technical terms, what the box offers me, as the sysadmin.

      I already know how to run a site on Linux. I'd love to know there's something out there to make it easier, but make it easier *how*?

      I'm not putting out $10k for a box that doesn't have software and functional specifications.

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    5. Re:The automation of system administration by Bandraginus · · Score: 2, Funny
      Why?

      I don't know what it is at all.

      That's what makes it so cool :)

  3. Why sell a device? by cybrthng · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When you can make more money selling off the software and support?

    Seems like lots of engineering time for something that is basically commodity hardware these days when the focus is the software to begin with.

    1. Re:Why sell a device? by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because now the CIO's can pay a few $1000 more for the same product.

      Realistically, I think the major benefit is that this box comes completely preconfigured, working and plug-and-playable. Spending a few thousand dollars extra on this might be less expensive than having a person do the same thing on another box. And how about support? Software not working on vendors' box; Vendors' problem, software not working on your own box; your own problem. $8000 may seem like a lot, but compare it to payed labour and it may be cheaper.

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  4. What sunk Linuxcare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, it was the 90ies, and things did get out of hand, but the basic idea of doing Linux services - tech support, consulting, training - was a good one, and many companies continue to pursue these businesses quite successfully. The things that really sunk that company were two of the nitwits that they hired:

    Fernand Serrat - CEO

    Doug Nassaur - CIO

    The second one managed to spend a metric shitload of money on equipment that there were no plans to even use, and, indeed, if you follow his career around, you see him getting turfed out of pretty much everywhere he goes. The sad thing is that, he comes in at such a high level that instead of just being fired like you or I, he gets a big severance package, and no one says anything bad about him anywhere.

    1. Re:What sunk Linuxcare by che.kai-jei · · Score: 3, Insightful
    2. Re:What sunk Linuxcare by Cat_Byte · · Score: 2, Funny
      Can someone post the conversion factor to US Standard shitloads? I can't seem to find it on Google.


      It is more than a buttload but less than a motherload. I think it is a 1:1.1 ratio so you will get a little more shit when trading shit with other countries like France.

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  5. Fair Chance? by one_who_uses_unix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is curious to me to see the frequency that the Linux/Unix enthusiasts complain about the lack of robust/commercial offerings of Linux hosted/compatible systems in various areas compared to those that are Windows hosted/compatible.

    We should be supportive of companies and individuals that are attempting to establish a broader base of Linux/Unix hosted/compatible systems since it can only benefit the industry.

    If a system truly is a piece of crap, then many will hopefully learn from the experience - even folks not part of the effort. Many great products started as a POS and grew into respectable offerings.

    Although I understand people taking the opportunity to thrash this system (it can be fun), I wish that the general attitude of the vocal members of the community was just a little more positive.

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  6. Re:linux hardware by broward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Perhaps.

    Firmware devices still seem to be in an uptrend, but not by much.

    http://www.realmeme.com/miner/preinflection/linuxf irmwareDejanews.png

  7. Ha... by William+Robinson · · Score: 3, Funny
    Among LinuxCare's contributions were a beautiful 8-foot tall printed map of the Linux kernel

    Big deal. It cant be more beautiful than Windows, which gives me map of kernel daily, that too on blue screen.

  8. I've downloaded the "papers" --- also marketing by baldvin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am really interested, since I've spent the last two years of my life for creating a sysadmin tool, i hope much better than fai, but sort of similar.

    Now they come, and create this buzz with only marketing bullshit on their site. I have filled in the form with all my data (curios that they did not ask my mothers maiden name...), and got the chance to download the whitepapers with such a huge amount of marketing stuff in it, that I still don't know how this system works.

    So:
    - I don't care about cost graphicons
    - I don't care about stories
    - I don't care about anything, but

    could anybody please tell me what the architecture is, what is the way it installs/maintains servers, so how does it work?

  9. redhat satellite network by Raleel · · Score: 2, Informative

    seems really similar to RedHat's Satellite stuff. we use that where I work and it'll do pretty much all of that. It won't do it with Suse, of course, but the other functionality is there.

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  10. Duh by NineNine · · Score: 2

    Well, if you'd read the article summary, it says that this company is run by the guys who started LinuxCare. LinuxCare was a company that did do Linux support. They went bankrupt. They failed. It didn't work. So, apparently, you can't "make more money selling off the software and support".

  11. porting to appliance form factor by dan+the+person · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Dennis says that porting the Levanta software to an appliance form-factor was "a very smooth operation," which he credits to the maturity of Levanta software as a standalone product.

    In related news Microsoft reports they have successfully ported Windows from Intel Desktop ATX platform to VIAs mini-ITX platform

  12. The first? No... by buffy · · Score: 2, Informative

    For one...

    http://www.rlx.com/

    In addition to pioneering the whole concept of Server Blades, we've had a Linux-based management system for quite sometime. We're on our sixth generation, so it's pretty smooth to boot. Target audience varies a little bit, but the "first" they are not.

    Just my $0.02.

    -buf

    PS. I work for RLX, though these opinions are mine.

  13. How It Works by DavidDennis-Levanta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For those who would like more details on how the Levanta technology, and specifically the Intrepid M, works, I thought I'd jot down a quick response. After LinuxWorld, we plan to update the website with additional technical information, as well as a conceptual Flash demo, that should help answer some of the technical questions.

    In the meantime...

    As a basic concept, the Levanta technology marries network-boot provisioning with data virtualization and change control. MapFS, a GPLed Linux kernel-loadable module, is an integral part of this process, as is PXE-boot.

    However, rather than trying to post a white paper's worth of content here, with limited space and no ability to draw diagrams (you don't want to see my ASCII art), it's probably best to refer those who are interested to a recent report published by Illuminata, a niche technology research firm specializing in grids, clusters, virtualization, and other leading edge stuff. Illuminata does a good job of giving an introduction to the architecture, including a few basic diagrams.

    You can access the Illuminata paper below, no registration necessary:

    http://www.levanta.com/downloads/docs/levantaPDFpo sting.pdf

    [Full Disclosure: Levanta did not commission this paper from Illuminata and it's available to Illuminata subscribers. However, we did purchase redistribution rights to it.]

    Currently, Levanta supports managing Linux servers and workstations, although we're seriously considering adding Open Solaris support for next year. Right now, officially supported Linux distros cover Fedora, SuSE, and RedHat, although other RPM-based distros like CentOS are sometimes possible. Levanta can manage these distros running on x86 hardware (racks, blades, boxes), VMWare virtual machines, and z/VM sessions on zSeries mainframes.

    Levanta Release 3.3 exists as two software products that support x86 and zSeries. The new Intrepid is actually running Release 4 of the Levanta software. We currently plan to port the new features of Release 4 to the software product lines in the near future.

    For those who were asking, "Why sell a device?", there were many factors that contributed to our decision:

    -Some were technical. For example, the Levanta Manager needs access to shared storage to act as the data store. Many customers like having the idea of the storage 'built in', especially if they don't already have ready access to NFS, iSCSI, or SAN.

    -It costs less. The Intrepid appliance licenses actually cost less than the standalone software. With an appliance, there are fewer things like a multitude of shared storage device drivers and SMIS differences to worry about, which reduces our R&D and support costs. This, in turn, lets us come out with a lower-priced product.

    -Simplicity. One of our key goals was to make a product that is easier for a broader range of people to use. This is especially important now that Linux is growing beyond universities, data centers, and hobbyists and (hopefully) is on its way to becoming more mainstream. It was easier to make the technology more 'plug and play' by putting it in a box.

    If you plan to be at the SF LinuxWorld, feel free to pop by and ask questions.