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EFF Requests Help to Identify "Evil" Printers

jason writes "In preparation for a possible legal challenge, The Electronic Frontiers Foundation is requesting your help in identifying which printers are embedding traceable information in the documents they produce. Printer manufactures added this technology under persuasion from the government inorder to help combat counterfeiting operations, however this technology defeats the presumed anonymity most people expect from the documents they print."

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  1. Epson 1280 photo printer by joejoejoejoe · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think my Epson 1280 does.

    If I print anything, even one line of text from notepad, it will print the text, advance the sheet of paper most of the way, print something else you can't really see, then spit out the paper.

    I think this is a good test. If you are printing only to the top of the page, and then it appears to spend time printing where you had no text, you've got one of these...

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    1. Re:Epson 1280 photo printer by harrkev · · Score: 2, Informative

      The article is specifically about laser printers. And you cannot tell if a laser printer is doing this or not, as there is no physical "print head" to move around.

      Ink-jet printers are usually very dumb. So any mischief is done in the driver software.

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  2. Re:very informative by matt21811 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Err no, they ask for "you to print and send us test sheets from your color laser printer and/or a color laser printer at your local print shop."

    Not to figure out how to disable it.

  3. Re:Tinfoil printouts by billdar · · Score: 5, Informative
    Our xerox does this... I just followed the instructions in TFA:

    The dots' minuscule size, covering less than one-thousandth of the page, along with their color combination of yellow on white, makes them invisible to the naked eye, Crean says. One way to determine if your color laser is applying this tracking process is to shine a blue LED light--say, from a keychain laser flashlight--on your page and use a magnifier.

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  4. Re:Stupid question but... by blackmonday · · Score: 3, Informative

    What makes you think a driver can't call home and register your IP Address to the printer serial number? OR - maybe you sent in a mail in rebate for the printer? Just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you.

  5. I work for a manufacturer by YttriumOxide · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work for a large printer/copier manufacturer in the technical services area (IT related) and can confirm we've been doing this for MANY years in our colour products.

    We refer to the technology as "micro dots". Each dot can uniquely identify the device by it's serial number (which is not only printed on a label but also hardcoded in to the machine).

    I also happen to live in Australia, where it'd be a cold day in hell before we told anyone who didn't have a court order the serial number of a printer that produced a page or who we sold it to.

    The dots are MUCH smaller than 1mm as suggested here, however I can confirm that yellow toner is used. If you have a good magnifying glass (at least 8 times) and a sharp eye you can spot them, but it's really not easy.

    Additionally, our machines all have anti-counterfeit technology anyway. If you try to print or copy a banknote from any major world currency, all you'll get is a black square and possibly an error code being displayed on the panel.

    In the entire time I've worked for this company, we've never once had to do a micro dot check for the police/government/whatever - I'd know because there's only about 3 or 4 of us in the company that have the knowhow to do it and they all work in my department. (no, the govt doesn't know how to do it themselves and even if they did, they'd still need to ask us where that serial number is now).

    I've deliberately avoided mentioning my employers name in this post. I'm pretty sure I haven't broken any confidentiality agreements with this post (all I'm doing is confirming, not supplying new info) but you can't be too careful. Suffice to say, I don't think it matters which major manufacturer, I'd bet my bottom dollar we all do it.

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    1. Re:I work for a manufacturer by YttriumOxide · · Score: 3, Informative

      1. That explains why the yellow toner gets used so fast.

      Actually, I'd be utterly shocked if you ever even noticed the amount of yellow toner it's using. If you only ever printed black and white documents with an average 5% coverage or so, you'd go through thousands of black toner cartridges before you used up even one yellow one.

      The primary cause of going through lots of yellow toner is that yellow gets used in a LOT of colours that people commonly print (think CMYK mixes, not RGB)

      2. It's really nice that your products continue to work after (not) printing controlled documents. Our printer conked out when some yahoo decided to make a copy of a money order for his records by scanning it & printing it out.

      Conked out as in stopped working? Yikes! Our machines will print the black square, call an error and then continue to work fine unless you do another 5 attempts at the EXACT same document... (at which point it will lock up and require someone that knows how to get in to service mode (ie, a technician) to fix it)

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    2. Re:I work for a manufacturer by rekoil · · Score: 3, Informative

      I used to work for a printing company that did color proof output on Canon color copiers. We had exactly the problem you described once when we tried to print a job that had a partial currency image on each page - the printer shut itself down after printing five pages with a black box over the image.

      Apparently things are even more insiduous than you think...the tech told me that each time the currency detection code is triggered, the algorithm adjusts its sensitivity upwards (to thwart folks who try to "experiment" to beat it).

      Even worse, every time there's a service call to re-activate a printer that shut down in this manner, a secret service report must be filed, along with a report (or hard copy, preferably) of what exactly what the user was trying to copy. As the tech explained it, it's either 1. Canon reports this data, or 2. The Secret Service comes over directly to ask you about it. The former is certainly a far better option, IMO...

    3. Re:I work for a manufacturer by Com2Kid · · Score: 2, Informative
      • And if you contacted Xerox about dropping 300K+ on a DC8000 but told them you didn't want a service contract and that you wanted to pay cash they would laugh at you.


      And instead if I go to ebay.com or a used office supply shop and purchase one that is a few years old?

      And from the looks of it, Docucolors are sold through third parties anyways, and I am sure that it would not be too hidiously hard to find some small company willing to take $300,000 in cash.
    4. Re:I work for a manufacturer by brandorf · · Score: 3, Informative

      As someone who was a sales clerk for the largest retailer in the world, I can say that they certainly did not train us in any way for counterfeit detection. Our orders were to take the bill even if we had doubts, and then let someone higher up the chain of command deal with it.

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    5. Re:I work for a manufacturer by cbreaker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Somewhat off-topic here, but many of the "photo" inkjets these days can produce more correct color then most consumer/office color laser printers. You really gotta get into the heavy duty expensive color lasers before they get good.

      It's a nightmare trying to get correct colors out of any of the HP color lasers I've used, yet I can get damned good color prints from a $40 HP inkjet.

      Obviously, color lasers are awesome because they won't bleed or fade like inkjet, and they're great for printing things like charts and color documents that don't need correct colors. But that's all beside the point.

      I don't think I've ever heard of an inkjet printer watermarking the page like these laser printers, although I have heard of them not printing currency.

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    6. Re:I work for a manufacturer by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      If the EFF have a problem with a technology which was designed to prevent counterfeiting, do they also have a problem with serial numbers on genuine currency?

      This technology doesn't prevent counterfeiting; it makes it easier to track who made a particular document. Every document printed is watermarked, with no notice to the user. The possibilities of abuse are huge. At least knowing this exists if one does need anonymity one can avoid this technology.

  6. Evil Bit by xdc · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, the "evil" bit. Something along the lines of RFC 3514.

  7. Re:The first thing I think about.... by paulbiz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually there was a serial killer here locally (who received no press, because he only kidnapped, tortured and killed black women, but thats a different topic). Anyway he was finally caught because he mailed the local newspaper a map of where one of the bodies was buried. The police could tell by the map that it was printed from Microsoft's map site (whatever it's called) and MS kept logs of everything, and were able to narrow it down to that exact map and get his IP address, which lead to his ISP and eventually his arrest (he killed himself in jail the next day).

    So, sometimes they DO want to know who printed that map to Boston!

  8. Re:Getting the word out by ntk · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not true that the EFF "only cares about the US", although its true the core of our expertise is in that country. We now have three people working on international issues. Cory Doctorow works in Europe; Gwen Hinze, an Australian, works on WIPO and free trade agreement issues. Ren Bucholz has just moved up to Canada and will shortly be taking on the job of policies in the Americas.

    And EF Canada *is* still around.

  9. Re:Ask Publius about this by Peyna · · Score: 2, Informative


    How much more security can this country -- this nation conceived in anonymity -- survive?


    The Federalist Papers were printed to pursuade states to ratify the Constitution, after it was already written.

    The Constitution itself was not written anonymously, everyone knew who wrote it and who was at the convention.

    The same goes for The Declaration of Independence.

    The country was not conceived in anonymity, but it did manage to ratify its constitution by anonymously convincing some people to vote for it.

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  10. Ittsy-bittsy-dots... by RagingChipmunk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Easy counter measure: When you print out your great govt conspiracy expose, take the set to the Office Max where you bought the tagging-printer and photo-copy the document.

    Retail photocopiers wont catch the yellow-on-white and the small size of the dot because their resolution is too crappy. The copier does the work of getting rid of your tracks.

    Now burn the originals and leak anonymously!! Woohoo.

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    1. Re:Ittsy-bittsy-dots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      well, it works and it doesn't. The copier you use will not notice the dots (too small), but it will tag it's own set of dots on there (and yes i know. I'm a colour tech for a very large copier company)

  11. Re:Ask Publius about this by Fess_Longhair · · Score: 2, Informative
    The Federalist Papers, at the time they were written, were an advertising campaign meant to sway the electorate to support the constitution. Although they were published under an alias, the authors were widely known. In the end, the marketing campaign didn't work, and it was only once several other key states ratified that NY caved (FP was aimed at NYers). The Constitutional Congress, where the original draft of the Constitution was debated, was not anonymously attended, although the minutes were not publically released (the tin foil hat crowd would have gone wild).

    So, yes, we would likely still have a constitution if Hamilton et al. could not publish under an alias.

  12. Re:Greenpeace? by Narchie+Troll · · Score: 3, Informative

    1972, actually. Last time I checked, Greenpeace was non-violent and always has been.

    Of course, if you consider civil disobedience to be "criminal eco-terrorism", then I might see where you're coming from.

  13. Re:Tinfoil printouts by AllahsAvatar · · Score: 1, Informative

    The original post misstated the size. They are much smaller than 1mm.

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  14. Re:Tinfoil printouts by orthogonal · · Score: 3, Informative
    "It's likely done at a hardware level, or more specifically firmware."

    Sure, the serial number is printed at the hardware level as a partially-filled array of yellow dots:

    X_XXX__XX_X_X_X <-- printer "A"'s a binary bit pattern of Xs that gives a serial number of 23765 decimal

    X_XXX_X__XXXX_X <-- printer "B"'s a binary bit pattern of Xs gives a serial number of 23869 decimal



    I'm suggesting at the software level (in a driver) we direct the printer to fill the whole array. This will make the serial number unreadable, by giving all printers using the driver a completely filled and indistinguishable array:

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX <-- Printer "A"'s pattern with the driver filling in all the dots now gives a fake serial number of 32767

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX <-- Printer "B"'s pattern with the driver filling in all the dots also gives the same fake serial number of 32767

  15. Re:Tinfoil printouts by Cali+Thalen · · Score: 4, Informative

    Probably less than 1mm, and you wouldn't probably notice it.

    The Lexmark Optra N I'd used for several years at work turned out to be one of these. VERY faint yellow dots on the white parts of the border (I didn't test it on anything full-bleed though, so no idea what it would look like under those circumstances).

    I'd used that printer for light-to-moderate graphics work for a long time, and never noticed. Heck, I barely noticed when I knew what to look for, but it was most certainly there.

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  16. Re:Greenpeace? by BigBuckHunter · · Score: 3, Informative

    1972, actually. Last time I checked, Greenpeace was non-violent and always has been.
    Yeah, you're right. Raming one boat into another isn't violent, even when said boat is competing in the America's cup race. Breaking and entering into the control room at a Nuclear plant isn't either. Paying millions to the ELF (definately not a non-violent organization) is OK. So is trespass, destruction of property, forcibly boarding a cargo ship in flordia, etc.


    I could go on... really I could

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  17. Re:Umm... by loqi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Only if the loss of privacy is one-way.

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  18. Re:Replace the yellow ink? by Negadecimal · · Score: 3, Informative

    It seems one would be able to expose a lot of these printers by replacing (or contaminating) the yellow ink with black.

    Just try a sheet of black, glossy paper (magazine ads are good source). Toner ink has a matte texture, and is slightly opaque - when you hold your printed sheet so that light reflects off it, you'll easily see a dot pattern.

    Oh, and make sure your test printout is pretty light, or you'll gum up the printer (toner doesn't fuse well to gloss surfaces)

  19. Re:Greenpeace? by JesusCigarettes · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is totally offtopic, but I can't sit and be quiet.

    Do you consider it terrorism to be responsible for the deaths of thousands of people? Because Greenpeace convinced the leader of Zimbabwe that genetically modified foods cause horrible diseases in their efforts to make all genetically modified food labeled.

    Yeah, they're conservative sources, it's all I could find at short notice.

    I don't care either way on the issue, and they might have a point about labeling GM foods - I haven't done the research. But it doesn't mean dick to starving Africans if the food is genetically modified or not. And that can certainly be considered terrorism.

    Not as much as PETA, of course...

  20. Re:Conspiracy theory for the day by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
    Sorry, but if that's all you've got, I call bullshit. Too much doesn't add up.

    RTFA, the one at the EFF. They have lists of printers they've tested; almost all colour lasers have been found to have these dots. They have blown up images of patterns, which are spread all over the sheet. What they're trying to do is work out what these encode, so they're asking for test printouts along with printer data.