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GNOME 2.12 Previewed

An anonymous reader writes "Davyd Madeley has completed his Prerelease Tour of GNOME 2.12. Scheduled for release on September 7th, 2005, GNOME 2.12 has picked up a new theme, some features popularised by Apple's System 7, some new multimedia tools and plenty of bug-fixes."

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  1. Re:What about Beagle? by ralinx · · Score: 2, Informative

    as long as Red Hat is opposed to distributing Mono, Beagle (written in C#) will never be in the default Gnome Desktop... at least not the one Red Hat will ship. So who knows... there may be another high profile fork (red hat gnome vs novell gnome) coming up soon.

  2. Re:BSD ? by trollzor · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have seen other GNOME stuff listed under the BSD section a couple of times. It's all a bit of BS if you ask me. Because the G in GNOME stands for GNU. Perhaps timothy mistakenly believes GNOME is a BSD project, I dunno, anything is possible with these editors. I don't mind the BSD guys using LGPL stuff or GPL stuff, hell I use the OpenBSD derived ssh stuff which totally kicks ass (ubuntu lists it as OpenBSD derived in the bootup and shutdown I believe), but credit where credit is due.

  3. Re:Gnome vs. KDE by Rapsey · · Score: 2, Informative

    I dont think KDE has more money. I dont know of any company that puts money into KDE, but a few that put money into GNOME.
    They do have more developers. Simply because its much easier to develop programs for KDE than it is for GNOME.

  4. Re:Gnome vs. KDE by bhalo05 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It seems that so much time is put in KDE and Gnome, that if the two teams worked together, they might make something superior to what they made on their own

    Sigh. There's no way they'd be working together anyway. Gnome devs love C and GTK. KDE devs are C++ experts and like QT.

    Besides that, Gnome users like Gnome. KDE users... well, like KDE. They can choose because both are different and there are many different kinds of users, you know...

    There's not going to be a single desktop environment. Period.

  5. Re:GNOME? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Oh my! This is a poor attempt at a troll.

    Gnome has had a consistent icon theme, mainly developed by jimmac, for a really long time. It is really quite different then the crystal icon theme in KDE and I actually think that it is the foremost icon theme in all operating systems today. I dont have a clue how you can see something that has been ripped from KDE.

    And by the way, both KDE and Gnome are developed by international communities so if you want an "all american" desktop please use something from a large software vendor instead.

  6. Re:What about Beagle? by KeyserDK · · Score: 3, Informative

    To be honest, the widespread porting of the lucene engine(beagle backend) is the highest amount of forking i've ever seen.

    There exists a port for every language, it just doesn't make sense. The basic algorithms for searching, and storing indexes hasn't changed for quite some time.

    In the digital library space there even exists quite old (10 years) open source software such as zebra[1] which can handle large indexes fast. There are actually open standards[2] for information retrieval (IR), but nobody in the open source desktop space seem to know about it(?).
    [1]http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra
    [2]http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/zing/

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  7. Re:Still ugly fonts by Gleng · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you're using a Debian based distro, you can run:

    dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig

    And then select the bytecode interpreter from the menu. Fixed. :)

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  8. Re:Did they fix the Gnome Settings Daemon? by moranar · · Score: 2, Informative

    nautilus --no-desktop
    As it says if you do
    nautilus --help
    But I don't really know about the correct icon for file types. Nautilus has done this for at least a year, and quite possibly more.

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  9. Re:Still ugly fonts by Gleng · · Score: 4, Informative

    Also, here's a copy of my /etc/fonts/local.conf which disables antialiasing on font sizes under 10 points, so you get nice crisp Windows style rendering on small fonts. I use Tahoma size 8 on my Gnome menus and it looks pretty sweet.

    <?xml version="1.0"?>
    <!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd">
    <fontconfig>
    <include ignore_missing="yes">/var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d/ fonts.conf</include>

            <match target="font">
                <test name="size" compare="less">
                    <double>10</double>
                </test>
                <edit name="antialias" mode="assign">
                    <bool>false</bool>
                </edit>
            </match>
            <match target="font">
                <test name="pixelsize" compare="less" qual="any">
                    <double>10</double>
                </test>
                <edit mode="assign" name="antialias">
                    <bool>false</bool>
                </edit>
            </match>

    </fontconfig>

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  10. Re:Apple System 7 ?? by peterprior · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's referring to nautilus's spatial tree file view.

  11. Re:What about MIME types/file associations? by smallfries · · Score: 2, Informative

    The simplist way seems to be just use the tools. So use the custom icon button in a nautalis properties dialog, and choose an icon.

    Obviously this isn't always desirable, I wanted custom jpg icons for each of my album folders and it would have been a bitch to do using a gui. So to get at the config files, do one by hand, and then look in ~/.nautilus/metafiles/

    The format is quite straightforward xml and its easy to tweak by script.

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  12. Re:Explanation of the basics? by johnnyb · · Score: 3, Informative

    The OS:

    Some call the OS just the kernel, and others put the OS as the kernel + libraries + basic utilities, and others put the OS as "everything that ships with your distribution". All of these are more or less correct, and just a matter of perspective. I personally prefer the latter two because it is the measure of compatibility of downloaded tools.

    X is a graphical system. It is actually rather barebones, as it doesn't specify anything about how the controls work. It doesn't include a text entry box, buttons, graphics, or anything. It is simply a basic toolkit for network-driven graphics. It doesn't even hook up to sound.

    A "toolkit" is a set of widgets -- text entry boxes, standard icons, buttons, etc. GTK and QT are toolkits.

    A widnow manager is just what it says -- it manages windows. The top bar of windows, with their close, minimize, and maximize buttons, are actually drawn by the window manager, not the application. The Window manager often, but not always, draws to the background (sometimes the file manager does this). The window manager is involved if you have multiple desktops. It handles minimizing and maximizing. It handles laying out the windows, and telling them where they can and can't go.

    A "desktop environment" is a complete collection of tools and specifications for a desktop. For example, the GNOME desktop environment consists of (a) the GTK toolkit, (b) a set of libraries for making applications work together in a consistent manner, (c) a panel and a set of applets (most desktop environments include a panel), (d) a set of specifications for interaction. These specifications include specifications for the function of window managers, specifications for human interface interactions, specifications for the handling of clipboard data, specifications of standard application interfaces for doing various things like printing, configuration, etc. Many desktop environments specify a default window manager as well.

    Windows and Mac roll all of these parts into one. All you have is the desktop environment, which contains everything else. There is _some_ separation, but it is not as clear-cut as it is on UNIX. Whether this is a benefit or a flaw depends on your perspective.

  13. Re:Still ugly fonts - this works too! by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Informative
    1: Install Microsoft true-type fonts.

    2: You could install them via this script: http://vigna.dsi.unimi.it/webFonts4Linux/webFonts. sh

    Then do the following:

    Configure X and Gnome to 96 dpi sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf Locate Section "Monitor" and add the following lines before EndSection: # DisplaySize 270 203 # 1024x768 96dpi

    # DisplaySize 338 254 # 1280x960 96dpi

    # DisplaySize 338 270 # 1280x1024 96dpi

    # DisplaySize 370 277 # 1400x1050 96dpi

    # DisplaySize 423 370 # 1600x1400 96dpi

    Uncomment the line corresponding to your current resolution.

    To get other values, use the following formula:

    displaysize = {pixelsize}/96*25.4

    Remember:

    The display size must be "right" so adjust those values till you get your size right.

  14. Re:What about Beagle? by dalutong · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hmm.. I disagree. First a disclaimer: I am working on a very poor memory -- beagle might not be included at all.

    But I have been using beagle on my ubuntu machine using breezy backports. Ubuntu maintains its packages well -- I have not had beagle break at all over the past couple of months of using it. Setting it up to start when I start gnome has been the only kind of work I've had to do.

    I'll admit, though, that the search is still fairly slow and not great at finding what I need. I am using version 0.11 though.

    So I think that stability won't be the issue. The package in ubuntu will be well maintained. I just hope it speeds up a bit. And I wouldn't mind some search tips to help me find my data more easily -- especially an easy-to-find help button explaining precisely what beagle can and can't search.

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  15. Re:Gnome vs. KDE by Andre · · Score: 4, Informative

    Qt still is not as free as GTK+, because it is a library and licensed under GPL. GTK+ is licensed under LGPL for a reason. If you use Qt, the license of your application cannot be chosen freely. Either you use the GPL, or you pay for the freedom to choose another license.

    A GUI toolkit is part of the critical infrastructure of a software component on the desktop. Every application needs such a component (apart from fullscreen applications like games).
    And a GUI toolkit is commodity, nothing special anymore.

    Many developments begin at home, and these developments are the programmers' own crown jewels. I want to secure my investment in time and energy, and want to be able to deploy my ideas anywhere I see fit. Of course, I want to take my developments to the workplace and go on without interruption. This is freedom, and highly productive.

  16. Re:What about Beagle? by ashayh · · Score: 2, Informative

    Installation is not the only problem. mono/beagle frequently use 30-50% of CPU time and/or memory.

  17. Re:What about Beagle? by Korgan · · Score: 2, Informative

    /etc/skel is one option if you intend to normalise it as the default search method on your platform across all users. But given how much of a hog beagled is when it comes to resources, on a busy server thats going to hurt.

    In my office I run an Ubuntu termsrv set up. No one has anything on their own machines except for a basic OS with an X server on it. Cuts back on hardware costs. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has set things up this way. Now add in a whole heap of mono processes going and you're gonna hit trouble. Its hard enough having just a few people loading OpenOffice.org apps at the same time, adding in multiple Mono processes running for each user (beagled constantly in the background, best in the fore) and suddenly you need a much more powerful server to cope with that kind of load.

    Sure, /etc/skel would work for desktop/workstation/laptop machines which are likely to have only one person using them at a time, but I'm not that rich. I run a small business and manage the IT side of things myself. I simply cannot afford the overhead required by multiple mono/beagled threads at once.

    This is partly why I'm glad Gnome didn't let Ximian bully them in to coding core parts of the platform in C#/Mono. I've been a Gnome user since 1.2 and I would truly have had to change desktop if they went down that path. It just wouldn't be practical or useful for anything other than desktop/workstation/laptop installations.

    One thing a lot of people seem to forget. Just because its Free doesn't mean it costs nothing. :-) In the case of Mono and C# apps on *nix, it costs a lot in memory/cpu. Sometimes beyond what I would consider reasonable.

    Doesn't stop me trying them on my own machines at home, but at this point in time, I wouldn't consider it on any of my business related machines.

  18. Re:Still ugly fonts by mrogers · · Score: 3, Informative
    Also, be sure to enable bitmap fonts - Debian disables them by default, but they're much sharper than antialiased outline fonts at small sizes.

    If web pages still look blurry, add the following line to ~/.bash_profile to disable antialiasing in GTK2 and Gecko:

    export GDK_USE_XFT=0

  19. Re:Still ugly fonts - this works too! by DeadMeat+(TM) · · Score: 2, Informative
    If all you want to do is adjust the font DPI, you can do that from the GNOME Font Preferences. KDE's Control Center has a similar option. No manual configuration-file editing is necessary.

    The configuration-file editing is only necessary if fonts are the wrong size because X guessed your monitor size incorrectly (which is very rare in my experience, since it just fetches that information straight from the monitor, but it does happen). At any rate, Windows doesn't have the ability -- GUIfied or otherwise -- to override monitor geometry, at least as far as I can tell. I'd be a little surprised if OS X does, although it might since Macs are used in graphics work so often.

  20. Re:Works For me (TM) by astralbat · · Score: 2, Informative
    Absolutely. The problem is not with the xine backend or the decryption libraries etc.. but with Totem itself. It often refuses to auto play my dvd-rom drive (as xine or mplayer does).
    If you do ever manage to get a dvd-rom to play, the navigation slider is innacurate, and skipping forwards or backwards often causes the audio to go horribly out of sync, although I'm not sure if that is more to do with GStreamer.

    For most media files though, Totem is fine and I'm looking forward to the improved DVD capabilities coming with Gnome 2.12.

  21. Re:What about Beagle? by Feztaa · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, Ubuntu's next release will be in October. They follow a 6-month release cycle that has them releasing a new distro every April and October.