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Monad Shell Removed From Vista
hggs writes "According to Stephen Toulouse at Microsoft, because of the possible virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows Vista. CNet is reporting that, even though Monad is not to be included on Vista, it will be included on a major server operating system for servers from Microsoft. Codenamed Longhorn server, that edition is due out by 2007." Update: 08/06 04:45 GMT by Z : As Mr. Toulouse states here, the submission here adds one and one and gets three. Monad hasn't been in Vista for about two months. The CNet article is clarifying a previous report stating that Monad could potentially be the first source of viruses in an OS which incorporated it. The interesting news about Monad in the server edition was obscured by the factually incorrect submission, which at first blush seemed to make sense. Mea Culpa.
Yet another feature stripped from the next release of Windows.
I guess microsoft figures that only people who spend several thousand for a computer deserve even moderately capable tools.
Oh well. More and more reason to not bother upgrading, and gear towards an eventual switch to Linux someday.
I RTFA and it does not even imply that MONAD will not be included in Windows Vista because of the virus threat. In fact, MS announced almost two months ago that Mondad will not be included in Windows Vista (then Longhorn).
Remove the capability of the command line for home users, but leave a buggy and insecure shell for servers where hackers can have lots of fun messing up enterprise level websites!
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Microsoft has decided to not release Windows Vista at all this year.
You could build a pretty good operating system from all the stuff that's been pulled out out Vista. Maybe Microsoft could take all that extra stuff and come out with a "Platinum" version of Vista; call it "Longhorn" or something.
Welcome to the department of redundancy department...
Mohad was NOT in Vista before all this sudo-virus junk appeared. It was taken out MONTHS ago! Microsoft have been saying for MONTHS that it will not appear in Vista but WILL appear in Longhorn Server.
Now some attention seekers claim they created a virus, which is no more powerful than anything you could currently do in VBScript and gets headlines. Now you link to a blog that says "There is no virus threat [TRUE!] and Mohad will not be in Vista [TRUE]" and conclude that A == B?! Dear god you people!
You do realize that many of the features in Longhorn/Vista (most importantly WinFS) were due for Windows NT 3.x? The creators of NT were way before their time, but typical Microsoft screwed everything up. If Windows NT 3.x had the features originally planned, I don't think Windows would nearly suck as much as it does now. Instead they have spent 10 years trying to add the features that were supposed to be there in the first place. Imagine where we could be instead. A world where Microsoft might actually not suck. But instead here we are, wishing Longhorn/Vista had all those nice features that would make our experience with Windows (face it, you can't escape from it all the time) a little nicer. Those "MEGA-AWESOME MUST BUY features" have been delayed so long that I'm sure Microsoft doesn't mind leaving them out for later.
WASTE - The Secure P2P
Quick - somebody find vulnerabilities in the WPA and DRM modules. Bonus if you find buffer overflows in the "make Windows unstable" DLLs.
We're told that yet another feature won't be present in Windows Vista by someone who seems to think that there won't ever be a virus capable of penetrating Vista's "security". These Microsoft guys crack me up!
A clue should've been the title of the article linked to: "A virus for Windows Vista? Wrong."
...The viruses do not attempt to exploit a software vulnerability and do not encompass a new method of attack."
From TFA:
"First of all, in examining the details of the reports, there is no Windows Vista virus described in them.
If one had read either of the two articles linked, one would realize that the so-called "viruses" are nothing more than malicious scripts. No software hole is exploited; the viruses are no more dangerous than any arbitrary piece of code running on your system.
They are not viruses; they only have the privileges that a user gives them. They're the same as any other executable file.
If a stranger sends you an executable, be it a script or a compiled program, and you run it, you're already in trouble. These scripts are nothing special.
Did the article author even read what he was submitting? The author states, "because of the possible virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows Vista", which could not be more deliberately misleading, and is contracted by both articles he links to!
Will this do?
Is this really the best response that Microsoft can come up with at a time when there is so much increased dissatisfaction with their endless upgrade cycle? If it is, then the F/OSS communities should probably increase their efforts to target the corporate desktop, because Microsoft doesn't appear to have anything of substance for several years! I'll bet Steve Jobs is laughing too; he's certainly picked the right time to go through the traumas of switching architecture.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
The version number on the My Computer properties will read as different. Commence celebration.
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Or at least the worst in several years. The blurb says basically the exact opposite of what the link says. May I suggest one of the /. editors add a little "update: the above is wrong in every way" to the end?
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walked around the park.
One was WinFS and fell into a hole.
9 little windows Vista features walked around the park. The new shell slipped and fell into the pool and drowned.
8 little windows vista features walked around the park. DRM bully came and whacked them all dead.
No new Windows Vista features were left alive, so Microsoft put some new colors in and everybody bought it.
"Freiheit ist immer auch die Freiheit des Andersdenkenden" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1871 - 1919
The problem here is that NT has lacked a decent shell with scripting capabilities since the very beginning. The joke is that *nix has had them for decades, but in the 21st century, MS still can't do it.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
I think that's pretty much what I said, but congratulations on getting modded higher than me :)
Considering that NT is, theoretically the successor to VMS, it sure is lame.
Where's our versioning file system? Where's our ironclad clustering? (Someone who's a real VMS geek can probably offer more examples)
Micrsoft hires Dave Cutler, who wrote VMS, and a bunch of the DEC engineers, has them write a brand spankin' new OS to Rule Them All, and they try to sell some retarded crapheap that doesn't have some of the best features of the '80's.
Of course, the perfectly sensible reason they're selling a crapheap is that performance mattered more than a secure microkernel architecture (which NT, at one point, supposedly was), and backwards compatability with win32 is the only thing keeping people running to back to MS like a crackhead to his dealer.
Give me my good 'ol 70's Unix. The '80's died, and the 90's just won't.
The author is pretty clear that the reported virii had ZERO effect on the choice to include monad or not.
Yet somehow the submitter was able to conclude "...because of the possible virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows Vista.". Will wonders ever cease to exist!
right, but stripped of the command shell, of course...
605413? Yes, it's a prime.
Warning, you are about to enter an alternate dimension...
The article was factually incorrect, even though it linked to correct articles, cited in the parent post. This 'story' seems no more than a waste of everyone's time, yet the submitter that pointed this out is (presently) modded down to -1.
Read up: MS isn't 100% bad. They have some good stuff and good policies sometimes. Don't complain about them point blank to improve your ego, you'll be the kid that called wolf too many times.
I wish you and your rational-thinking ilk would get the hell off slashdot. You're ruining all our M$ bashing and hot-buttoned emotionalism!
I think I speak for the majority of slashdot when I say we are here to be told what to think, not to think for ourselves.
It was found that a user thru a careful combination could induce the keyboard to cause the operating system to react in unpredictable ways.
:).
Latest reports are that all keyboard devices will be prevented from attaching to the new Microsoft operating system for users.
Server systems which have no need for such a device will still be able to use it, possibly in ways so that easier crafting of shell macro's as long as there not called virus.bat
Ahhh, a world where Microsoft makes vacuum cleaners.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
But now Windows seems less and less likely to have Monad.
What was MS thinking? Windows and monads just don't mix.
Hi,
/. submit story item and hopefully we will see an update to the story soon.
;>
Thanks for all those who pointed out I never said what the submission is commenting on. I have submitted a correction to the
And as for all the other Windows Vista comments in the thread: Thanks for the feedback, we'll take it under advisement.
S.
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Microsoft PHB: So, who really cares about this feature? Power users? Bleh, they're all hackers anyhow. Not worth fixing, easier to just pull the feature. NEXT QUESTION!
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
First WinFS, now Monad. Anyone willing to bet on what goes out next before Vista is released?
Dont waste you time reading stupid sigs like this.
Ok we've been seen the reverse-feature creep so MS can release this late next year. At this point there sounds like there is little difference between XP and Vista besides cosmetics. Funny thing is you know the damm DRM will make the cut. Bastards...
Slashdot has always been anti-microsoft, and in most cases zealously so, but this is just taking it too far. Many valid points are made here, but if the community wants to keep its self-respect, it makes no sense to allow blatantly inflammatory and untrue stories to come across the front page like this. I am a beta tester for Monad. it is nothing special - wmic + cmd + more scripting abilities. msh is not ready for prime time. I can't honestly believe that we're now bashing microsoft in the damned if they do damned if they don't way. They don't release it because it's not ready - the bastards can't write a program! They do release it and it's not up to snuff. Damn them! They released more faulty software!
I understand the nature of slashdot. I used to be one of the linux zealots prowling the area. I read the front page and, very rarely, the articles. Not quite sure what made me do it this time. But letting disinformation such as this leak to the front page scares me, when useful stories from people are ignored all the time.