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Indiana Schools May Purchase 300K Linux Computers

GuitarNeophyte writes "According to an article at PC Magazine, Indiana School systems may soon be purchasing around 300,000 Linpire desktop computers. Linspire, via its Education Program has a straight $500-per-school (not per-seat) cost, providing an incredibly-alluring price incentive for this to happen." From the article: "Many schools across the state have already had the chance to try out desktop Linux, and everyone seems excited to get this program going...This groundbreaking initiative makes it possible for schools to afford computers for every student, something that makes a huge impact on their overall educations."

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  1. It worked for autodesk by grozzie2 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Autodesk saw the schools as a 'market builder' early on. When I did my second stint in post secondary institutions (pc's were not common during the first), the school had a site license for AutoCad, and we all got copies to take home and use on our own pc.

    A whole crop of sudents entered the workforce at a time when the move to CAD was in it's infancy, all familiar with, and able to use AutoCad. They were put in charge of the move to automation, and they all purchased AutoCad when they entered industry.

    A very effective marketing strategy for a company looking beyond the next quarter.

    1. Re:It worked for autodesk by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Interesting
      A very effective marketing strategy for a company looking beyond the next quarter.

      You mean like Apple's been using to get Macs into classrooms and get kids hooked on using them instead of PCs?

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    2. Re:It worked for autodesk by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Insightful
      A very effective marketing strategy for a company looking beyond the next quarter.

      It seems to have worked fantastically for Apple, but that might not be a fair comparison.

      On the other hand, the earlier we start teaching kids about what the Lesser GPL is, why they need libxml2 instead of libxml1, and why all of their productivity apps are at version 0.99.91, the more comfortable they will be with these otherwise-daunting concepts.

      Kidding, but only half so.

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  2. Let me know when... by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... when it actually happens. A PR release from the company trying to sell their stuff isn't exactly news; it's marketing.

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  3. Why linspire?... by tregetour · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...ubuntu or such would free, even cheaper no?

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  4. Tomorrow's post -- Indiana buys MS (big discounts) by Blahbooboo3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...MS provided steep discounts to Indiana schools for their purchase of Microsoft software

  5. A hard disk failure every hour, $200,000 per hour by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    500K cheap linux boxes. This is going to be a massive number of hard drive crashes and system rebuilds per day. Why the heck dont schools use thin clients to servers. Or at least use some of those multi-headed configurations that can seat four students per box. Even the power bill makes this attractive. 500K * 200 watts = 100 Megawatts of power at 10 cents a kilowatt hour is $100,000 dollars per hour to operate. In winter time this might offset the cost of heating if they can distribute the heat, but the rest of the year the cooling costs to offset this heat load will double the operating cost. (since it usually takes one watt of cooling to offset 1 watt of heat generation) so $200,000 per hour of operation. Now imagine you had a four headed system. it would cut this cost by half to a third. Will Linspire Netboot. If not they are going to have a lot of corrupt systems to fix every day. yikes!

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  6. Microsoft Bob here to save the day! by infonography · · Score: 4, Funny

    Remember kids, buying a computer without an operating system is the first step towards piracy. Act now and call BSA and report anyone who offers you a computers without a licensed operating system. Say No to Piracy.

    Offer not valid outside the USA especially Finland.

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  7. Why $500 per school? by dtfinch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because if it was free, they wouldn't want it.

  8. Re:MS already $5 at universities by Trelane · · Score: 5, Informative
    Microsoft has had deals for years with IU, IUPUI, Purdue, Ball State, et al. for their products. Basically, you get all their products in a few different packs for $5 each.

    My school has this sweet deal too. Just a few niggling details:

    If you follow the money trail, my school takes somewhere between USD30 and USD70 (or maybe more) from my fees (not tuition; the campus usage fees) per semester for the campus student licenses. So we're actually paying somewhere between USD240 and USD560 before the up-front costs (USD5 for Windows XP upgrade; USD6 or 10 for Office full version). The campus tour guides never seem to mention this point when they're talking about the program, and all the students and parents I've talked to about it had no idea these funds were being taken and sent straight to Microsoft for the software.

    Additionally, your Windows is an upgrade copy of Windows only. That means that you must already have a Windows license (though it doesn't seme to check for this in any way; nice if MSFT is gonna come back and audit you to push you to License 7.0). This makes the Windows side of the license practically useless--the version of Windows you have likely works just fine for what you use it, and chances are pretty good you already have XP home, if not pro! Luckily, the MS Office and VStudio, tmk, are full versions, so it's not as useless. But whatever you got with your computer is probably just fine and works for you (nice for Microsoft if you have a competitor of theirs!) Finally, the academic prices are already dirt-cheap (relatively speaking). I don't think the MS site license is really very useful in terms of cheapening software acquisition costs!

    Finally, you cannot keep the license if you don't graduate. That's right; if you quit for a while or if you're kicked out, you lose your license. Not nearly as sweet a deal as the academic price, now is it?

    There are other problems with it from the university side, including problems if they ever want to stop paying Microsoft because maybe they want to standardize on Keynote or OpenOffice or something (long, expensive audit there!), but these are most of the immediately visible student-side problems.

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  9. Really? by misleb · · Score: 3, Interesting
    afford computers for every student, something that makes a huge impact on their overall educations."

    Really? I thought it had been shown over and over again that computers do not contribute to the overall quality of education for children. And in some cases, relying on comptuters can actually reduce the quality because the basics get ignored.

    Seriously, what IS the value of having computers in schools besides computer literacy? Sure, kids should have *a* computer class. Maybe a few computer labs for research. But why one computer per student? What is the value? So kids can skip lunch and IM their friends in another room?

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  10. Bootable distros by KMSelf · · Score: 3, Informative

    While it's true that a full GUI boot of Knoppix won't happen in < 96 MB, and isn't particularly happy in less than ~128 MB, your comment promulgates several fallacies:

    • You need that much memory to run a bootable distro. False. There are floppy and CD bootable distros which will run in 16-32 MB.
    • The distro loads to RAM. False Most bootable CDs actually use the "cloop" driver. This is a compressed loopback device, which reads data directly off the CD, decompressing it on access. The CD itself is NOT loaded into RAM, by default, although it can be. Rather the overhead of, say, Knoppix, is that of the applications and X session.

    Knoppix and kin offer the analytics necessary to profile a system, what they lack are the heuristics to make a sane statement of what improvements would be useful for a system. The idea of a bootable distro which simply runs an analyzer and produces a report (to be saved to file, printed, etc.) is reasonably straightforward.

    Yes, you can run Knoppix entirely in RAM (800+ MB are recommended), and yes, performance of a bootable CD isn't what you'd see from a HD install (in part because of the overhead of reading from CD and performing the on-the-fly decompression). But tests of system speed (memory, CPU, hdparm) should give a pretty good sense of performance characteristics.

    There are also floppy-based distros which run entirely in RAM (eg: Tom's Root Boot, Trinux), but they have pretty minimal system requirements.

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  11. I Suppose Even Linspire Is A Step Up From MS by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Great. It figures that when the schools decide to switch to Linux they would choose the worst distribution available.

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