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March of the Penguins Tops Box Offices

Zinside writes "Yahoo News is running a story stating that March of the Penguins may become the No. 2 documentary of all time at U.S. box offices." From the article: "The film, which follows a pack of Emperor Penguins during an arduous mating season, had grossed $18.4 million by Wednesday and was poised to surpass the $21.6 million for Michael Moore's anti-gun documentary Bowling For Columbine. For 13 months, Jacquet and his crew braved Antarctic temperatures as low as 70 degrees below zero - and winds up to 150 mph - to capture astonishing images of thousands of emperor penguins engaging in a mating and child-rearing ritual that is nothing short of astonishing. The Penguins are a miraculous species, capable of extreme heroism, self-sacrifice, sorrow and unshakable love."

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  1. And the best part... by gbulmash · · Score: 4, Funny
    And the best part is at the end when Opus is finally reunited with his mother. ;-)

    - Greg

    1. Re:And the best part... by archgoon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, go and spoil the ending for us. Thanx.

    2. Re:And the best part... by gbulmash · · Score: 2, Informative
      Thanks a lot.

      Idiot.

      It was an "in joke" for fans of a comic strip, not a spoiler.

      I doubt that stating a comic strip penguin finally finds his mother (anyone remember when he raided a Mary Kay testing lab in search of her?) ruined the end of the movie.

      It may not have been a funny joke, and you may have found that idiotic. That, I accept. But if you think I spoiled the end of the movie, any cred you may have as a "trivia geek" could be in jeopardy.

      - Greg

    3. Re:And the best part... by themoodykid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Argh!! Now I know how the comic strip ends.

    4. Re:And the best part... by gbulmash · · Score: 2, Funny
      Argh!! Now I know how the comic strip ends.

      I guess I'd mod that "smartass", but would that be a +1 or -1 mod? :-)

      - Greg

    5. Re:And the best part... by l.b.+noire · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Penguins are a miraculous species, capable of extreme heroism, self-sacrifice, sorrow and unshakable love.

      They're also capable of extreme homosexuality.

    6. Re:And the best part... by ff1324 · · Score: 2, Funny

      And damn...they even look good doing it. Never once did I see them send their tuxedos into the cleaners!

    7. Re:And the best part... by GeckoX · · Score: 4, Funny

      We are supposed to be above all other forms of life on this earth. We are supposed to be able to control our baser instincts and not behave as animals do. That's the point. We are at the stage in evolution where the next step is spiritual, not physical. We should not degrade ourselves by giving in and returning back to animalistic behavior.


      I think my mom threw out my instruction book when I was born, could you please send me your copy so I can finally know exactly what I am _supposed_ to do with my life?

      Thanks.
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    8. Re:And the best part... by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Homosexuality is not "natural" to the extent that it is, at best, unproductive in the view of a species which intends to perpetuate itself


      Even this is debatable. It's entirely possible that a modest rate of homosexuality actually helps a (highly socialized) species survive, in that it decreases the the possibility of overpopulation, decreases the amount of (potentially disruptive) competition for females, and frees up some extra individuals from the burdens of child rearing so that they can devote their efforts to other things that are useful to the species as a whole (e.g. defending the group from invaders/predators).


      My feeling is that evolution doesn't make too many "mistakes", and so if homosexuality is something that appears in many species, then it's likely there is a good (albeit non-obvious) reason for it.

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    9. Re:And the best part... by Deitheres · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your handle is fitting.

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  2. Oooh... by xAXISx · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...for a second there, I thought it was linux related ;).

  3. Re:You know... by gbulmash · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Penguins are actual animal. Linus Torvalds did not invent them. I fail to see the relevance of some boring smelly animal on slashdot, or some movie about said creature.

    The interesting thing (or "news for nerds") is that a scientific documentary has become the second-highest grossing non-IMAX documentary in history... as opposed to another one where Michael Moore makes fun of people he disagrees with.

    - Greg

  4. What does it say about the mainstream audience? by ReformedExCon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am fascinated that a nature documentary is garnering this much attention. I'm not sure if it is saying something about the audience, or if it is saying something about the quality of this season's Hollywood crop.

    There is a meme in certain circles that G-rated films gross higher than R-rated films. Could this kind of flocking (hehe) to see a documentary about penguins be indicative of a trend towards a silent audience demand for wholesome, informative movies rather than violent and crass fare?

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    1. Re:What does it say about the mainstream audience? by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny

      Could this kind of flocking (hehe) to see a documentary about penguins be indicative of a trend towards a silent audience demand for wholesome, informative movies rather than violent and crass fare?

      I think it's actually due to a very loud audience of prepubescent children who, after being saturated with advertisements during Yi-Gi-Oh, continually pester their parents to the point of either getting to go see the movie or being tied in a bag and thrown off the nearest bridge.

    2. Re:What does it say about the mainstream audience? by gbulmash · · Score: 4, Informative
      There is a meme in certain circles that G-rated films gross higher than R-rated films. Could this kind of flocking (hehe) to see a documentary about penguins be indicative of a trend towards a silent audience demand for wholesome, informative movies rather than violent and crass fare?

      In the meantime, the R-rated "The Wedding Crashers" is a summer sleeper as well, running at #2 for it's first two weekends, then up to #1 in its third weekend, then back to #2 this weekend, putting it's tally for less than 4 full weeks at over $144 million. And while "March..." did really well this weekend, it's because it nearly tripled its screen count. Yet vs. "The Wedding Crashers" it had a lower per-screen gross ($3709 vs. $5312) on fewer screens (1867 vs. 3106).

      We'll have to watch it longer term to see if it's legs keep up.

      What's neat to observe is that Warner Bros. is rolling in the dough this weekend with the gamut of ratings.

      This Weekend's Top Grossers
      #1: Dukes of Hazzard (Warner Brothers) - PG-13
      #2: The Wedding Crashers (Newline - owned by WB) - R
      #3: Charlie and the chocolate Factory (Warner Brothers) - PG
      #5: Must Love Dogs (Warner Brothers) - PG-13
      #6: March of the Penguins (Warner Independent) - G

      - Greg

    3. Re:What does it say about the mainstream audience? by lxs · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...the quality of this season's Hollywood crop.

      You made a typo in that last word.

    4. Re:What does it say about the mainstream audience? by hernyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What makes you think it's mainly children who go see this movie?

      I can't prove but I strongly believe 20-40 aged people bought most of the tickets.

      - yeah, i know, my englisk sucks
      - my english also

    5. Re:What does it say about the mainstream audience? by stinerman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What the hell is #4?

      Inquiring minds want to know! :-)

    6. Re:What does it say about the mainstream audience? by chrism2k · · Score: 2, Funny
      What the hell is #4?

      #4. Profit!

  5. Mr Cranky review by DavidNWelton · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sounds like you'd appreciate the Mr Cranky review, which starts out "I hate penguins. I just fucking hate them.":

    http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/marchofthepenguins. html

  6. /. relevancy by tacarat · · Score: 5, Funny

    "For 13 months, Jacquet and his crew braved Antarctic temperatures as low as 70 degrees below zero - and winds up to 150 mph - to capture astonishing images of thousands of emperor penguins engaging in a mating... ritual"

    1) A lot of server rooms may as well be -70 degrees, so any sysad could empathize with the conditions (sans sunlight, of course).

    2) Any Slashdotter has at least one interest that the "normal population" would give a hearty 'WTF?' to.

    3) A demonstration of the amazing lengths some folks will go through for their penguin porn.

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    1. Re:/. relevancy by aichpvee · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey buddy, the sex scene was tastifully and artfully done. It wasn't a porn!

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  7. Penguintastica by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 3, Funny
    The Penguins are a miraculous species, capable of extreme heroism, self-sacrifice, sorrow and unshakable love."

    And they write great software too!!!

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  8. An astonishing and moving film. Evokes emotions... by loggia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This film evokes emotions that are hard to put into words.

    Simply put, it is truly astonishing and moving -- and leaves you with a feeling that stays with you long after you leave the theater. I guess that feeling is: life.

  9. Now you know.. by Bananatree3 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Penguins are a miraculous species, capable of extreme heroism, self-sacrifice, sorrow and unshakable love."

    Now you know why the Penguin is Linux's mascot. It is reliable, unshakable, self-sacrificing (think of all those selfless developers working night and day around the world), extreme heroism (ok, that might be taking it a little too far...)

    1. Re:Now you know.. by lxs · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's just typical of the Slashdot audience. How can you forget the sacrifices Windows '95 made? It died for your sins. Sometimes three times a day.

    2. Re:Now you know.. by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Penguins are a miraculous species, capable of extreme heroism, self-sacrifice, sorrow and unshakable love."

      Now you know why the Penguin is Linux's mascot. It is reliable, unshakable, self-sacrificing (think of all those selfless developers working night and day around the world), extreme heroism (ok, that might be taking it a little too far...)


      and doomed to exist only in isolation on an island, where only a few heart souls seek it out?

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  10. Bill Gates isn't playing this in Redmond by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Funny

    March of the Penguins:

    http://www.ecliptic.ch/Stock/Detail/RE0908_Linux_o ver_Windows.html

    http://forum.osnn.net/photopost/data/508/medium/40 Linux_Penguins1024.png

    Isn't that the title of the nightmares Mr. Gates has had whenever he wakes up in a cold sweat.........

  11. Tag line from film by AccUser · · Score: 2, Funny

    In the harshest place on Earth, linux finds a way

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  12. Just saw it tonight by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pretty good. It makes you forget your problems as the hardships facing penguins just trying to raise their chicks makes your problems seem completely insignificant.

    So, strangely enough, I would not qualify this movie as a nature documentary. For me it is genuine bona fida "escapist entertainment": 90 minutes to gawk at something so alien to your existence that it puts everything else in perspective when you emerge blinking from the theater.

    And that is exactly what movies and entertainment are supposed to do. And that explains this movies success.

    Bonus item: this movie teaches us that hundreds of thousands of years of evolution in the harshest terrestrial environment on earth has left the penguin with large rolls of belly fat as a major and important adaptation for survival (to protect the chick/ egg from the harsh cold). So eat your popcorn and drink your soda guilt free. ;-)

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    1. Re:Just saw it tonight by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      So eat your popcorn and drink your soda guilt free.

      If you plan on spending hundreds of thousands of years in the Antarctic. . .naked.

      KFG

    2. Re:Just saw it tonight by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh, wrong, lard-ass.
      1. The penguins also get EXERCISE.
      2. They don't eat absolutely unheathy crap like you do.


      hmmm...
      i wonder what the survival value of a sense of humor is?

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    3. Re:Just saw it tonight by drgonzo59 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It is alien, yet people see themselves (or rather human ideals) in the penguins. Penguins overcome hardships to raise their children - that makes them like humans and humans identify with them. Penguins are monogamous (at least for the period of one mating season) - which is an ideal that many humans today don't live up to, again people identify with the penguins. Penguins are social creatures their behavior sometimes projects this "social justice" that any American likes, for example when one mother who lost her chick, tries to steal the chick from another penguin, all the females around came to protect the chick and to fight off the "thief".

      A good fantasy or sci-fi, or any story about alien places and creatures is successful (=appeals to the audience) only if they emobody human ideals in them like justice, honesty, self-sacrifice, love, beauty, overcoming adversity and other such things. In other words if you had a movie about worms that live at the bottom of the ocean, or even some alien bacteria (or just mattrasses that sit around ) from Mars or say Titan, you couldn't entice the audience as much.

    4. Re:Just saw it tonight by indifferent+children · · Score: 3, Insightful
      i wonder what the survival value of a sense of humor is?

      The survival value of a sense of humor is 'not much', but the good news is that such unfunny people are unlikely to ever mate. If it is true that women want someone who will make them laugh, then Natural Selection should make our species more funny over the coming generations. Eventually even PHBs and marketing-types will grasp Dilbert (and boy will they be pissed when they do!)

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  13. Re:And this is relevant because... by oneandoneis2 · · Score: 3, Funny
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  14. A more important question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    >>>The Penguins are a miraculous species, capable of extreme heroism, self-sacrifice, sorrow and unshakable love.

    More importantly, how do they taste? Fried, baked, or stewed? Anyone?

  15. When it's on DVD I'll say... by amliebsch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oooh! There's a penguin on the television!

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  16. Begging for trolls... by torrents · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why on earth is this filed under "Linux"?

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    1. Re:Begging for trolls... by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because, despite appearence to the contrary, the /. editors *do* have a sense of humor.

  17. Because Natural History is a Science by jd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And damn few sciences ever make it to the movies, let alone get this successful.

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  18. incorrect statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    from the article: "to surpass the $21.6 million for Michael Moore's anti-gun documentary Bowling For Columbine"

    Obviously whoever wrote that never watched "Bowling For Columbine" or is trying to distort what it's about. Say what you want about the documentary but any honest person can tell you it's not anti-gun.

    It you watch it, weather you agree with it or not, it's final premis is that the culture of fear and violence perpetrated by our foreign policy and the mass-media that supports it, that seems to cause the staggering amount of gun deaths in the US...not guns. In fact there are arguments made that it's not the guns (I remember the comparison to canada). Michael Moore himself is a member of the NRA.

    This may be taken as flamebait or trolling or whatever but that statement made there about "Bowling for Columbine" is simply not correct.

    1. Re:incorrect statement by chadpnet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Classifying BFC as a documentary bastardizes the work of authentic documentaries that attempt to provide an objective presentation of a subject's facts.

      Documentaries exist for uncovering the preexisting conditions of a particular subject in a way that the creator's own perspective is not present. BFC's producer deliberatly and intentionally created on-camera environments that would result in an expected outcome.

      We have a responsability to preserve the legitamacy of what a documenatry is all about. If all of our documentaries were produced with such careless regard for the preservation of fact and lack of subjectiveness, we end up distorting our generation's record of history.

      If BFC was actually a documentary, its premise would be absent of intentional subjectivity.

    2. Re:incorrect statement by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sadly, idiots then write description of the film without ever having watched it (Or paid attention). Idiot begats idiot.

      While it's clear the movie was more of a comment on the nature of violence in America, anyone who watched it (and paid attention) could easily see that Moore used a pretty skewed approach, replete with sinsationalism, deception and lies to make his point.

      I saw it, I even agree with him. But it's not an objective documentary, and shouldn't really be taken seriously as a tool to understand the problem.

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    3. Re:incorrect statement by WankersRevenge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You obviously have never studied any film theory, for if you had, you would have realized that documentaries are not objective. Not one bit. Sure, some might have strive for balance, but at the end of the day, documentaries are arguments using both moving images and narration to back up their "truths". Some, like Moore's documentaries, are very obvious about it. Others, like this Penguin one, are subtle. But at the end of the day, both are making arguments.

      As a viewer, you are being shown a very small piece of "reality". You don't know what happened before or after the event. You don't what a subject said before or after the presented clip. Think about it - the mere acting of editing a conversation shows that the documentary filmmaker is being subjective. What makes him use the first part of the clip, instead of the middle part. Or even the last part? He's using it to back his argument.

      By saying you wish to preserve the "legitimacy" of the documentary is saying you want to put critical thinking aside. There is no legitimacy. Whether it appears to be subjective or not, liberal or conservative, about animals on the Savannah or men on the moon, documentaries are all arguments proporting a certain world view.

    4. Re:incorrect statement by Momoru · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It you watch it, weather you agree with it or not, it's final premis is that the culture of fear and violence perpetrated by our foreign policy and the mass-media that supports it, that seems to cause the staggering amount of gun deaths in the US...not guns. In fact there are arguments made that it's not the guns (I remember the comparison to canada). Michael Moore himself is a member of the NRA.

      Well in a way the parent was correct because Moore does a terrible job making a coherent point in the movie. The whole scene where he went to Kmart headquarters to make them stop selling bullets certainly seemed anti-gun...but he doesn't really prove "guns are bad" because he states that Canada has more guns then the US per capita, yet less murders.

    5. Re:incorrect statement by NFNNMIDATA · · Score: 2, Informative

      One is reminded of the poor lemmings in that disney documentary. Documentaries often have the luxury of using whatever slight-of-hand and out-of-context shots are necessary to back up the point being made. People always get mad when Michael Moore does it, but then they go see the pengiun movie and think they learned something.

    6. Re:incorrect statement by arudloff · · Score: 2, Informative

      How did this get modded up to insightful? The parent was talking about *making up* material to use ina film. That's not an argument about objectivity vs subjectivity, it's a point being made about facts vs lies. From dictionary.com: documentary - "Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film."

    7. Re:incorrect statement by firewrought · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You obviously have never studied any film theory, for if you had, you would have realized that documentaries are not objective.

      You have a point in that every attempt at human communicatons can be viewed as an argument... an assertion of truthhood. Critical theories aside, most people use the label "objective" to characterize the manner in which the particular argument under consideration was built and presented.

      I could go on, but it would be more meaningful for this "film theory" to develop standards for assessing and promoting objectivity instead of finding coy ways to argue that it does not exist.

      By saying you wish to preserve the "legitimacy" of the documentary is saying you want to put critical thinking aside. There is no legitimacy.

      Honesty (on behalf of the filmmaker) yields legitimacy, but I guess you are correct in saying that we (as an audience) are too quick to grant "legitimate" status to anything labeled "documentary" in lieu of critically examining it. It is troubling, though, that films like Bowling for Columbine show such disregard for even attempting honesty. There's a dearth of honesty in the U.S.A. on both sides of the polticial spectrum, and it's only dividing us further...

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  19. Grand Movie for a Grand Movie Theater by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 2, Informative

    None of the big chain theaters have picked this film up here in Newport, RI, so the Jane Pickens Theater, one of the last of the single-screen Movie Houses from the golden age of movies, gets to cash in.

    It's got an enormous screen, bazillions of seats (including a balcony!) and a Dolby surround-sound system that became the prototype for the one found in most theaters today. It was one of the only places film conservators could show acetate-based films before restoration, because the projection booth still had all its steel fire-shutters from the '20s operational. (An equipment change in the late '90s, and the growing trend to preserve, duplicate and restore before screening, ended the practice.) They sometimes still show cartoon shorts before the movie, on reels they've had since the '60s.

    The Pickens also ran Farenheight 9/11, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, Chicago and The Nightmare Before Christmas when none of the chain multi-plexes would take the chance.

    Support your local movie house!

  20. In other news... by jtbauki · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...President George W. Bush vows to fight anti-freedom around the world.


    "Who do these penguins think they are? Calling themselves 'Emperors'? We, in America, do not tolerate such anti-democratic policies. Let the penguins have their rights. These penguins are part of the axis of evil..."

    1. Re:In other news... by insomaniac · · Score: 4, Funny

      Twenty minutes after the presidents address the government voted to call them Freedom Penguins

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  21. Anti-gun? by skingers6894 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not sure "Bowling for Columbine" was simply "anti-gun". I seem to remember that it went a little deeper than that. If I remember correctly the movie asked why the per capita gun-related murders in the U.S. were higher than Canada even though the per-capita gun ownership was lower.

    Something like that. While it was a gun related documentary I don't think it was imply "anti-gun".

    Anyway, no such controversy with the penguin movie - it's pro penguin alright.

    1. Re:Anti-gun? by OSXCPA · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bowling for columbine was not, in my opinion, 'anti gun'. The thing I got from the film that I think transcends anything Moore has caught hell for, is the sheer magnitude of the effect fear has on a culture. Those of you who spent adolescence in a state of hormonal turmoil whipped by abject fear, you know exactly what I mean. American media subscribe to the 'it bleeds, it leads' and as a result, despite decreasing rates of violent crime (go google it) from 1970-2000, reporting on crime went way up. Consequence - we don't let our kids play outside unless there is a fleet of adults around, because 'something bad' might happen. And it might, but it is no more likely today than it was in 1975, when I was running around outside alone. A kid today would be safer than I was, but fear doesn't let us (Americans) accept that. I'm curious what expats living in the US think.

    2. Re:Anti-gun? by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not the subject matter of his movies that are bad, or even that the point he's trying to make is wrong. It's the process he employes; the editing to twist people's words around, the ambush interviews under false pretenses, and the conclusions he reaches under falatious logic.

      He pisses off conservitives because he uses lies and deception to support a point they don't agree with.

      He pisses me off (and I'm pretty liberal) because he uses lies and deception to support a point I do agree with.

      If Moore tried to employ a little journalistic integrity or even simple objectivity (which even he admits he doesn't do), he could be a powerful voice. Instead he's a con artist who preys off those who have yet to learn how to read between his lines.

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    3. Re:Anti-gun? by Tiroth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What you say is very true -- Moore is certainly not a journalist in that he abandons even a veneer of objectivity. However, I think his message is powerful for precisely that reason -- he is a subversive*, not another cog in the machine of mass-market media.

      In a time when the rich and powerful have insulated themselves from criticism or comment, he has had some success in forcing powerful individuals and corporations to pay attention to the smaller people, and embarrassed them in front of a large audience. I think this sentiment appeals to Americans who feel that their lives are increasingly beholden to large corporate interests.

      I think his victories are, for the most part, fleeting -- he might persuade a large corporation to do something because their PR department sees disaister looming, but in the long run the company will likely revert to status quo. You could argue, though, that the bigger victory is reminding his audience that they do still have power.

      *especially in the sense that Neil Stephenson used in "The Diamond Age"--someone who shakes up the status quo and forces us to view a situation in a new light.

    4. Re:Anti-gun? by digidave · · Score: 2, Funny

      "surprised to hear that people even left their doors unlocked (he tested several)"

      Incidentally, those particular people now lock their doors :)

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    5. Re:Anti-gun? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Moore tried to employ a little journalistic integrity or even simple objectivity (which even he admits he doesn't do), he could be a powerful voice.

      No, he would be just another documentary film-maker that no one has ever heard of and no one will ever see any of his films. Just like thousands of other documentarians with more "journalistic integrity."

      There is a reason F9/11 was the largest grossing documentary of all time -- he made it entertaining, he worked the system to get as much play as he could. In doing so he sacrificed some of the moral high ground, but he did get his message out.

      Remember, it doesn't matter how right you are, if you keep it a secret. Moore's approach seems to be that it is better to get your core message heard even if it costs him some credibility because in the american public consciousness, perception is reality.

      Given that no other documentary, on any topic, has had even one tenth the public recognition - not just box-office receipts, but news coverage, public discussion, etc - I think his tactics are at least one reasonable option.

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  22. Re:You know... by AnuradhaRatnaweera · · Score: 2, Funny
    Penguins are actual animal. Linus Torvalds did not invent them.
    Not only he didn't invent them; he hates the "fat little flightless bird"... ;-)
  23. Which penguins? by mmj638 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I noticed an article on Slashdot with the title 'March of the Penguins Tops Box Offices' I really did assume that 'March of the Penguins' was a documentary about Linux distributions (and their brave struggle against the elements of er, MS, I guess).

    1. Re:Which penguins? by samsonov · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A coworker of mine thought the title 'March of the Penguins' would be an excellent title for a biography on Linus Torvalds :>

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  24. The narrator is apparently very popular by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Plenty of documentaries of this kind exist, and none of them have made this kind of a splash. (It is currently number 6 in the weekly movie charts, beating both War of the Worlds and Fantastic Four.)


    As a piece of trivia, March of the Penguins grossed more per screen shown on than the Fantastic Four did, in the Fantastic Four's first week. (Although MotP didn't make a whole lot of cash, it was only shown on 64 screens, whereas FF was shown on a something like 3,500. Those of you who also visit K5 may remember my diary entry on it at the time.)


    Ultimately, it is the selling value of the narrator that probably made the big difference. HOWEVER, Hollywood pays attention to box office figures, and the fact that a wildlife documentary could hit the number 6 spot may cause them to seriously think about how they make movies for kids. (They're going to assume that kids are the main audience, whether that is true or not.)


    If wildlife sells, then expect it to be merchandised to death. Having said that, it would be one hell of an improvement if kids get SOME natural history in their diet, as opposed to the turgid carp they get at the moment.

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    1. Re:The narrator is apparently very popular by WillerZ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Turgid carp are a part of natural history.

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  25. You might also like.. by dasdrewid · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not (/me is lazy), but if you liked this film, you might wanna also check out Winged Migration, by Jacques Perrin. It's good on details, and incredibly beautiful. If you suffer a bit from add (/me again), you'll like it cause it's split into regions of the world, so you can take it bit by bit, if you don't think you can stand 2 hours straight of birds flying...

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    1. Re:You might also like.. by eraserewind · · Score: 2, Informative

      Microcosmos produced by him is also quite interesting. Worth watching for the snail love scene alone.

  26. Anthropomorphization by TomHandy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The footage in this movie is incredible, no doubt. However, I think one valid concern that has been raised about it is its tendency for anthropomorphization of the penguins. The narration often ascribes various human emotions and motivations to the footage that is shown, and realistically, this probably isn't accurate and probably leaves a lot of audiences with the wrong impression. It's certainly understandable why this was done (if nothing else, penguins especially are prone to anthropomorphization anyway), but when this does come out on DVD, I think it might be nice to be able to just watch the footage and turn off the narration.

    1. Re:Anthropomorphization by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Funny
      The footage in this movie is incredible, no doubt. However, I think one valid concern that has been raised about it is its tendency for anthropomorphization of the penguins. The narration often ascribes various human emotions and motivations to the footage that is shown, and realistically, this probably isn't accurate and probably leaves a lot of audiences with the wrong impression. It's certainly understandable why this was done (if nothing else, penguins especially are prone to anthropomorphization anyway), but when this does come out on DVD, I think it might be nice to be able to just watch the footage and turn off the narration.

      The thing I hate about Luc Jacquet is that he intentionally uses lies and outright distortions to prove his liberal point about the homosexual penguins. This film is totally anti-Flighted Bird. And I even agree with his point. But anyone who casually glances at this movie can tell right away that Jacquet has a dogmatic liberal agenda. Jacquet hates Flighted Birds and the film is nothing more than a smear on the Flighted. Ooh, the poor penguins, its so hard where they live! Look at them struggle against the odds! Nonsense. If the film was fair and balanced, it would have footage of the massive environmental destruction these 'birds' have wrought upon their habitat, for instance.

      Stupid commie homo birds. They're taking over, I swear to God.

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    2. Re:Anthropomorphization by DWIM · · Score: 2, Interesting
      However, I think one valid concern that has been raised about it is its tendency for anthropomorphization of the penguins.

      I agree. I saw the movie and thought it was great entertainment, but found the anthropomorphism excessive. In fact, at times it raised unanswered questions. For example, we are told how much the penguins love their young chick and would go to great lengths to protect it. Yet there is an entire sequence where young chicks are attacked by a predatory bird and no adult penguin makes any effort at all to protect them. The chicks are left to fend for themselves and some fail to survive the attack.

      There's lots of things to quibble about in the movie, but it is still worth seeing. I think its success is due to a combination of folks' desire to see someting different from the usual fare and the glowing reviews it has been getting.

  27. Jacquet and his crew also braved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thirteen months of EXTREME CUTENESS!!! Oh my god! Mother of Hello Kitty in a hand basket! belly sliding, wing flapping, fuzzy little baby penguin extreme cuteness as far as the eye can see! And the waddling!! Oh! the waddling!!!

  28. Re:An astonishing and moving film. Evokes emotions by drgonzo59 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I agree. I saw it with my wife and we both liked it very much. I think there are a couple of components here that make it such a good movie.

    [1] It is G rated. I guess some people are sick of car chases, boobies and scary monsters - go figure! The "naughtiest" part is penguins doing "it" to make more penguins. I actually saw a parent take their child out of the theatre for this one. Felt sorry for the poor kid...

    [2] Penguins are somewhat similar to humans in the way they walk and behave. They walk upright but wobble and thus they look like "cute", "fat", "fuzzy" people. You couldn't pull this one off with snakes or, tigers. They are social creatures. In the movie ( I hope I don't spoil it for anyone ;) a mother penguin who lost her egg, tries to steal the chick from another penguin. The other females in the group would not "approve" of such behavior and came to protect the chick and the mother from the "thief".

    Also penguins are monogamous (emperor penguins are monogamous at least for duration of one year) - which often is not the case with many humans nowadays - not that there is anything wrong with it... So that also anthropomorphosizes them even more.

    [3] The bravery and determination of the people who shot the movie is impressive. Very cold weather, very dangerous, all just to film the cute little birds. And, of course, as some post mentioned, some like Morgan Freeman.

    [4] It spread mostly by word of mouth. This is similar to the "My Big Fat Greek Wedding". A small movie that made big $ because everyone told their friends to go see and how great it was. I heard about the movie from my parents then after I saw it, I recommended it to all my friends and they saw it. If everyone who see it does it - it is quite a few people..

  29. 70 degrees below zero - and winds up to 150 mph by Arthur+B. · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I use the metric system you insensitive clod! Oh... and saw the movie six months ago... it's really nice, really beautiful but the voice-over really sucks !

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  30. Won't it be surreal? by Hosiah · · Score: 2, Funny

    When this movie does so well, Hollywood execs spend years trying to copy it's box-office success, spawning Polar Wars II - attack of the Penguins, Lord of the Icebergs, Antarctic Park...

  31. Re:An astonishing and moving film. Evokes emotions by speculatrix · · Score: 3, Informative

    Another excellent documentary is "The Blue Planet" series from the BBC. They also cover penguins, but not in as much detail, but then you get to see polar bears, whales, and the weird things deep down. It really gives an insight into the amazing variety of life on "our" planet.

    The quality of the video is stunning - it's almost as if you have a window into the undersea. ...one of the best GBP30 I spent on DVDs.

  32. Doco's are made for TV by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nearly all the good doco's I can recall are made to fit a one hour TV time slot or are in "parts". Some notable exceptions are F.9/11 and "Born Free" (big hit in the 60's). The Penguin stuff was also covered in David Attenborough's "Life in the Freezer", as is normal for an Attenborough doco, the pictures were unique and awsome. Maybe this mixed with a bit of human emotion is what kindled the public's interest in Penguins.

    I find the biggest problem with doco's is that interesting subjects often get treated like they do in the classroom, mono-tone presenters, long rambling scripts and pathetic visual aids. They are great if you want to fall asleep on the couch but absolutely useless for engaging the general public's attention.

    Something like this that "humanises" a trully remarkable behaviour is bound to do well with the "family" market. The mega-hit "Lion King" was inspired by a very good doco depicting the rivalry between Lions and Hyeina's[sic]. Unfortunately alot of parents won't take thier kids to see Zebra's getting ripped apart by blood soaked Lion's.

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  33. Oh really? by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Penguins are a miraculous species, capable of extreme heroism, self-sacrifice, sorrow and unshakable love.

    Or at least, that was the end goal of the camerawork and the filtering of the hundreds or thousands of hours of penguin footage in the editing room.

    Call me cynical, but with enough footage you could probably make a pile of beercans express anthropomorphic emotions.

  34. Re:bowling for columbine was anti-gun? by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that is why it was appealing and contraversial, it asked (loaded) questions, people on both sides of the gun debate drew thier own conclusions. I think I can understand why you didn't comprehend it properly, the questions didn't sink in because guns are part of your culture. Having grown up in a country where only lunatics wander around with handguns I have a similar problem. I simply don't comprehend the US obsession with gun ownership.

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  35. Trailer.. by Gobelet · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just saw the US trailer for the movie. I think it's not really accurate, you can see all those penguins walking on that war-ish music...

    Here's the french one. I think it is way better than the US one, but maybe you'll think the US one was better. That's why we have 2 trailers :)

    http://www.commeaucinema.com/bandeannonces/marchee mpereur/qt/marcheempereur.mov

  36. Re:Not #2 yet, and no chance for #1 by Gactaculon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know about you, but I think that when I look back on my life many years later, I'll consider it much more important to have spent time watching something emotive and novel than consuming political propaganda. The films I've seen, the art and music I've enjoyed, and the places I've explored either in person or by proxy will be very much valued, when all is said and done. I can't say the same for Fahrenheit 9/11, for example. Perhaps it is important for the number of people it reached for whom its ideas were new, I'll grant that. But to the informed and interested viewer, it was little more than a rehash of world events through the prism of Moore's crazed psyche. I mean, seriously, the argument that seeing one man's inherently biased and un-countered rant rendered on film is prerequisite to making important choices is total bullshit, assuming you bother to read once in a while. Yes, I'm being a bit overzealous with the critique of Fahrenheit, but I can't see how anything like it can be considered truly enlightening and significant on a personly level.

    So I guess what I'm saying is that I think you may have your priorities severely confused. Yes, there are important and momentous events and conflicts happening in the world. There always are. They oblige us to become involved and to form our own opinions and to seek truth, but more obsession does not mean more effect. The truly important things are the things that happen in the midst of constant turmoil that make life worth bothering with. Nobody and no philosophy is going to force us to seek these things out and partake in them, and it's up to us to make sure they don't pass us by. That's the uglier truth.

    I don't know whether this documentary is really any good or not, or whether it warrants this sleep-deprived, starry-eyed rant at all. But to rank works like this to be *by definition* of lesser importance than political discourse reveals a very narrow point of view.

    (And please stop with the mouth-frothing. It's very unsanitary.)

  37. Re:An astonishing and moving film. Evokes emotions by indifferent+children · · Score: 3, Funny
    Also penguins are monogamous (emperor penguins are monogamous at least for duration of one year)

    Hey, I was monogamous for a year. However, my wife of seven years doesn't think that one year constitutes 'real monogamy', sheesh.

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  38. Re:Not #2 yet, and no chance for #1 by WesternActor · · Score: 5, Funny
    The #1 documentary is Farenheit 9/11 , which is completely out of the league of normal documentaries.

    You're right. Most documentaries document reality.

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  39. Re:Erroneous Headlines (#6 is not #1) by linuxgnuru · · Score: 2, Informative

    They only mean that it topped the documentaries in box office.

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  40. Re:An astonishing and moving film. Evokes emotions by GozzoMan · · Score: 2, Funny
    [1] It is G rated. I guess some people are sick of car chases, boobies and scary monsters - go figure!
    Oh, c'mon, how can you possibly be sick of boobies!?

    It does seem to be a very interesting movie indeed, and I like penguins just like the next geek, but, please, no need to get upset on boobies, ok? I really don't see why penguins and boobies couldn't get along together like old friends... so much in common, think:

    waddling.
  41. Re:An astonishing and moving film. Evokes emotions by sammy+baby · · Score: 3, Funny
    Let me assure you, the penguins did it only for procreation.


    You sure? Even the ones having homosexual sex?
  42. Guess it wasn't their kid. (Virgin birth?) by crovira · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or the penguins were really lousy at it and they didn't want the kid to pick up bad habits like pecking and other things which could hurt.

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  43. Re:Not #2 yet, and no chance for #1 by Eric+S.+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In conclusion, the truths of penguin life are cute, safe

    Where's the "cute" in slogging across Antartica, starving yourself for countless weeks, and then having to leave your offspring to die because your mate got eaten by a seal?

    And the very definition of "safe", by the way, is sitting through a political spiel that you already agree with.

  44. Re:An astonishing and moving film. Evokes emotions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's a male bird that acts as a bottom so he can get the girls. Wish I could remember the species. When they're not showing off the colorful parts, they look like the females. So they imitate the body language, the male nails them and leaves, and then they get the real female nearby. Oh the sacrifices guys make.

  45. Re:bowling for columbine was anti-gun? by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Please tell me which country that is...."

    Australia.

    "....so that I may stay far away."

    Tell your mates not to come either, dickhead!

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  46. Re:An astonishing and moving film. Evokes emotions by tetsuji · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, it was moving and wonderful an all, but I was pretty disappointed about the lack of useful factual information. I thought that the movie excessively anthropomorphized the penguins and that it didn't present the information in scientific terms.

    For example, in the movie they show the consequences of the penguins dropping their eggs and losing track of chicks, but nowhere in the film do they state what the survival rate of the chicks is. They show an albatross catching and killing a penguin chick while adult penguins stand around and do nothing, and fail to explain the lack of a response. They also say nothing about the ongoing environmental changes in the antarctic and how these may affect the penguins.

    I went in to the documentary hoping to see some science, but it turned out to be mostly pretty pictures and emotionally loaded nonsense.

  47. There's a difference between by anomaly · · Score: 2, Informative

    "It's not natural" and "It's not what God intended"

    I can take no issue with the fact that many animals tend to display homosexual behaviors. The facts are the facts. That it appears in animal communities makes it as 'natural' as anything else in nature. For what it's worth, while examples do exist, it is quite far from the norm in animal communities.

    With respect to "It's not what God intended" I'd have to say that is exactly right.

    Let me be clear. What passes for socially acceptable behavior in the human community in areas other than homosexual expression are FAR from God's plan. For example: in 1 Cor 6, the Bible says:
    Do not be deceived:Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers... ...thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    This is a harsh condemnation of 'natural' behaviors. Who among us is truly unselfish? There's a stark description of unacceptable behavior without a reference to homosexual acts.

    It also says (between the ellipses) "nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor "

    Finally, it says in I Cor 6:
    "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God....Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body."

    God's plan was for man to behave in distinctively unnatural ways. In Philippians 2 it says: "Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others."

    In fact, Jesus said in Luke 9:
      Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me."

    It stretches credulity to try to interpret the meaning of passages that explicitly condemn homosexual behavior in any way other than what they say. The fact is that the New Testament writings convey a radical lifestyle. Jesus himself, when talking about the marriage relationship said in Matthew 19:
    Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery." The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry." Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriagebecause of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

    Even his disciples were unnerved by Christ's bold, counter-cultural and authoritative teaching about God's perspective on marriage.

    Jesus' teachings are radical, and quite distinctly unnatural. I find no contradiction between suggesting that a behavior is natural and yet condemned by Christ.

    Respectfully,
    Anomaly

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    1. Re:There's a difference between by Dirtside · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It stretches credulity to try to interpret the meaning of passages that explicitly condemn homosexual behavior in any way other than what they say.
      Right, but it's perfectly reasonable to treat these words as the divine law of an invisible man who lives in the sky.
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  48. Re:You know... by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is this where we are filing the Michael Moore rants?

    Bowling for Columbine is not an "anti-gun" movie!

    I know it is popular to bash his movies as hippie/commie crap but at least watch the friggin movie first. He specifically mentions that Canada has similar per-capita gun ownership and less strict gun control laws yet mysteriously does not suffer from the same gun-crime rates the US does.

  49. Ever have a pet? by 5n3ak3rp1mp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People who have these sorts of arguments never seem to have very nice pets. ;) Regardless of what a crusty old book written by some long-dead people has to say about our relationship to the animal kingdom, simple observation of non-humans would reveal the following obvious truths:

    1) Animals seem to love
    2) Animals seem to miss
    3) Animals play, animals cry, animals laugh
    4) Animals have saved humans on countless occasions without being "ordered" to
    5) Animals pair-bond, or what we refer to as "marry". 90% of all bird species are monogamous, which is quite astonishing considering they supposedly descended from the dinosaurs!
    6) And last but certainly not least, animals engage in all sorts of sexual behaviors, not all of which produce offspring. If you enjoy oral sex, as probably 95% of your human brethren do, you're enjoying without procreating. And most of the time it's done in the context of a loving relationship. I suppose hell is a small price to pay. ;)

    I don't think that spiritual development (which I also believe in) is somehow mutually exclusive or incongruous with "everything our evolving beings have learned along the way so far while they were still animal-like and not spiritually-aware". To me this is like saying that since we've built up the skyscraper to the great view on the 300th floor, we might as well remove floors 1-100 since we've gone "beyond" those and don't need them anymore. Everything has ALWAYS built on what came before, but has never totally eclipsed it. Cars did not completely replace horse-drawn carriages, calculators did not replace understanding math. Corporations did not replace mom-and-pop stores, and money did not completely replace bartering. Computers did not replace, well, everything (as some of us geeks would have preferred ;) )

    So basically, go fly a kite, open your eyes and stop listening to dogma for a minute and THINK FOR YOURSELF, as we're not as different from the animals as some ancient power-grabbing pontificators who had no extensive experience with animals (or science for that matter) would indicate.

    On a somewhat unrelated note, Jesus never dictated any sort of religious hierarchy. In fact, I'm pretty sure he was all about tearing those down. Otherwise "The System" wouldn't have been so interested in getting rid of him. And here we are again, with a religious hierarchy trying to dictate its views to us within the sheeps' clothing of the Republican party. Where's Jesus when you need him to f*** some sh** up? ;) /former-altar-boy-now-lapsed-catholic

  50. Re:bowling for columbine was anti-gun? by IceAgeComing · · Score: 2, Interesting


    As a numbed member of the US who has relatives from sane countries, I hope to visit your country someday. Cheers.