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Textbooks With EULAs

overshoot writes "We all knew it was coming, didn't we? Now Princeton University and nine others are introducing DRM'd textbooks. For a 33% discount, students get a 5-month node-locked e-book instead of all that glossy paper. Maybe Congress should just get it over with and change the law to allow EULAs on printed works?"

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  1. EBooks are a failure... get over it by DogDude · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't understand some people's (companies') obsession with e-Books. They didn't catch on. People don't like them. They're a royal pain in the ass. The article says that there are roughly $3.2 million dollars worth of e-books sold every year. $3.2 million?!? That's essentially -zero-. So why are companies still trying to push what has been proven time and time again to be a product that nobody wants? It ain't gonna work.

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    1. Re:EBooks are a failure... get over it by Bvardi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually I buy my casual reading almost exclusively in ebook format - but through webscriptions.net (baen, scifi and fantasy publisher)

      The difference is they offer a variety of formats, NO DRM, and you can redownload any time if you lose the original file. (I've done that a few times when I had to wipe out my palm and restore)

      Ebooks will only catch on when they are convenient, and less expensive than the paper versions (the webscription model is about 5 books for 15 bucks US... certainly reasonable)

      Compared to other publishers with onerous DRM, prices that frequently are MORE than a paper copy - and they have indifferent selection at best.... I can understand why most ebooks don't do well - but I personally hope baen keeps on doing what they are doing. (heck they've pretty much hooked me for a steady 15 bucks per month since I tend to buy every month when it comes out)

  2. not Princeton, only the bookstore by edfelten · · Score: 5, Informative

    For the record, Princeton University has not signed on to this program. Only the bookstore is involved, and it is not affiliated with the university.

    1. Re:not Princeton, only the bookstore by jcorkery · · Score: 3, Informative

      For more information on this, check out Professor Ed Felten's blog http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/. He commented on this the other day, particularly with the regards to the separation of the university and the bookstore.

  3. EULAs on books by overshoot · · Score: 5, Informative
    They allow EULAs on shrink-wrapped software and shrink-wrapped DVDs already, what makes books any different?

    I can't wait. The reason is that the US Federal courts have a long body of case law on the "first sale" doctrine. A publisher tried to put the equivalent of a EULA on a book back in the 19th century and got shot down, big time.

    If someone makes the argument in court that they should be able to have a EULA on a book because they manifestly can on an e-book and there's no fundamental difference, the court is either going to have to twist itself into at least two additional dimensions to avoid either shooting down EULAs on e-books or overturning more than a century of fundamental copyright law.

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  4. This is all wrong by Bipedismaximus · · Score: 3, Informative
    As Ed Felton explains in his blog
    As far as I can tell, Princeton University has no part in this experiment. The Princeton University Store, a bookstore that is located on the edge of the campus but is not affiliated with the University, will be the entity offering DRMed textbooks. The DRM company's press release tries to leave the impression that Princeton University itself is involved, but this appears to be incorrect.
    http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=881/
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  5. Re:So much for selling used books by Tink2000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speaking as the manager for a textbook department for a university affiliated bookstore at a 30,000 population sized university, I have to say that I don't think you don't know very much about how much margin is in used vs new textbooks, nor what the average margin at all. The insane prices you are paying and the constant edition changes are due to one source: the publishers. Not your local campus bookstore. The bookstore is making roughly 25% on new and 35% on used. Those margins on a $8mil/year basis will not sustain a bookstore; ask any business major and they will tell you that that enterprize will float for a while and then sink like a rock. What causes the prices to go up constantly and more new editions in a shorter length of time is actually the used book market: the publishers get zero return when we sell a used book.

    Contrast that with buying a tshirt or hoodie at a 50 to 60% margin, and you have what keeps almost all college bookstores afloat these days.

    Additionally, our bookstore does buyback everyday we are open. We also automatically discount all new textbooks 10% from what the publisher's list price is. So: if a $100 MSRP book is being carried, we sell it for $90. If we have a used copy of that book, we sell it for a 25% discount from MSRP, so this book would be $75. At the end of term, we know that book has been adopted for the following term, we will buy that book back for $50, making your total cost on this book $25. Yes, you have to work for it by coming in early to get the used copy, and you have to have a little luck on your side when the adoptions roll around, and a little more in hoping that the book doesn't change editions (again, that's a publisher thing through and through), but it is possible. By my reckoning, you got ripped off shopping online, at least from a long-term perspective.

    YMMV.

  6. Re:And for a dollar more by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've purchased exactly one "e-book" from Spiderworks. Their e-books are very inexpensive--about 1/3 of the cost of similar books on the shelf--and much more useful. They aren't DRM'd either. Supposedly your name is embedded in the document's code, so if you redistribute it, they can track who leaked it. I'm sure it can be stripped out if you know how. You can download it as many times as you need on different computers, and they're Adobe PDF's.

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  7. Re:Stallman was right up to this point ... by reverse+flow+reactor · · Score: 4, Informative

    You sound like you are looking for Wikibooks. They are developing and disseminating free open content textbooks, manuals, and other texts.

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  8. Re:Crime? by MntlChaos · · Score: 3, Informative

    U.S.C. Title 17 Chapter 5

    It references Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 106. Hence we see that making a copy is copyright infringement, and the copyright owner can take action against the copier. The content of an e-book is definitely copyrightable material. I'd quote statutes if you want it, but I don't think that's necessary.