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Mars Orbiter Launch Delayed

Mictian writes "NASA's newest Mars probe, Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO), was originally scheduled to be launched from Kennedy Space Center Wednesday morning atop an Atlas 5 rocket. However a potential problem with the Atlas' Redundant Rate Gyro Units (RRGUs), that are part of the vehicle's flight control system, detected at Lockheed Martin's factory has caused the engineers to make sure that the two RRGUs in MRO's rocket are working, thus delaying the launch at least until Thursday morning. There is a 1.5 hour launch window daily until the end of the month."

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  1. Late Breaking News: by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Funny
    Today elation swept across our fair world when it was revealed by the Council that the invaders from the evil blue planet have been stymied in their latest efforts to despoil our perfect planet.

    K'Breel, Speaker for the Council, was on hand to address the jubilant masses:
    "Gentle Citizens, today I stand before you with my gelsacs swollen with pride. Today I reveal to you that our wise and powerful Council, not being content to merely defend our world against the constant antagonism by the filthy inhabitants of the evil blue planet, have struck a blow agains the aggressors on their own horrid soil! Utilizing our superior technology, we have caused irreperable damage to one of their loathsome machines while it still squatted on the noisome loam of the evil blue planet! All glory to the Council!"

    During the question-and-answer session that followed, when asked by a citizen whether rumours were true that the device damaged was only a minor inconvinence to the sickening inhabitants of the evil blue planet, and that in all probability the craft would be launched within a day, K'Breel ordered the citizen's summary execution. The remainder of the question-and-answer session passed in a remarkably subdued manner.
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    1. Re:Late Breaking News: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was almost funny. Sort of like watching a "joke" on that old show Saved by the Bell. You always knew, from the laugh track, that Screech just gave a really, really funny line. But, for some reason, you just didn't laugh.

    2. Re:Late Breaking News: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talk all you want. Your days are numbered. On everything I hold dear, I swear that the Unified Resistance Front of Mars (QKTLM) shall destroy you and your regime within the year, K'Breel.

      K'tah nrglah tn hk'tah ginr'l Marstv'k qa!!
      Laaq n'tl Marstv'k qa!!

    3. Re:Late Breaking News: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      EVERY fucking time there is a post about mars, this guy posts this SAME text, every single time. Mod this DOWN damnit! We're sick of seeing this filth.

    4. Re:Late Breaking News: by ndansmith · · Score: 1

      How about you mark him as a foe, and mod foes -5; then you don't have to read his "filth."

    5. Re:Late Breaking News: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the same text, dumbass. The story is different every time. Some of us actually get a chuckle out of it. If you don't like it, don't read it.

    6. Re:Late Breaking News: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, if you weren't such a moron, you'd probably realize that 'Funny' mods don't count towards Karma.

    7. Re:Late Breaking News: by luna69 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Who the hell wants to make friends with some random screen name on /.?

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    8. Re:Late Breaking News: by SupaKoopa · · Score: 1

      His early discorporation was the work of the Old Ones. Drink deeply the water of life as we grok him through ritual cannibalism.

    9. Re:Late Breaking News: by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      Look at his posting history, he's a total karma whore.

      If you looked at YOUR posting history, I should say.

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    10. Re:Late Breaking News: by Tiggs23 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, yes, he COULD do that...but then, someone lacking the gonads to log in and post under a username, rather than anonymously, probably wouldn't think of that solution.

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  2. Overheard by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 1, Funny

    Mission Controller 1: What about the R.R.G.O.U.S.'s?
    Mission Controller 2: Redundant Rate Gyros Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist.
    R.R.G.O.U.S: GRAAAAAAAAAAARRGGGHHHH!

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    1. Re:Overheard by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      Fixed

      Mission Controller 1: What about the R.R.G.O.U.S.'s?
      Mission Controller 2: Redundant Rate Gyros Of Unusual Size? I've never heard of them.
      R.R.G.O.U.S: GRAAAAAAAAAAARRGGGHHHH!

  3. Its just a minor delay by Saggi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They expect to launch Thursday morning.

    But its better to wait one dya, than loosing a big rocket, just to stay on shedule. Better be safe, than sorry.

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    1. Re:Its just a minor delay by RandoX · · Score: 2, Funny

      ESL, I hope.

    2. Re:Its just a minor delay by KarmaBlackballed · · Score: 1

      Just one more day and no more Lance Bass. This is the rocket Lance is riding right?

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    3. Re:Its just a minor delay by timster · · Score: 1

      I thought loosing the rocket was the whole point. What good is a rocket if you never turn it loose?

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    4. Re:Its just a minor delay by nacturation · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But its better to wait one dya, than loosing a big rocket, just to stay on shedule.

      That's okay... they'll wait one dya, fix the porblem, and then let loose the rocket.

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    5. Re:Its just a minor delay by Buran · · Score: 1

      Soyuz missions are launched by a derivative of the R-7 ICBM that is usually just also called "Soyuz". NASA spacecraft use Atlas or Delta IV rockets. This one is using an Atlas V.

    6. Re:Its just a minor delay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad it took the Challenger incident to get them to learn that lesson.

    7. Re:Its just a minor delay by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, the launch window for the MRO mission is actually quite generous, with 1.5-hour launch window periods every day until the end of August. They'll have 20 more days to try to get it off the ground. :)

  4. And to think they might of not noticed. by kinglink · · Score: 1

    Imagine if it's only a Rate Gyro Unit. They could have launched and their rate gyro might have been off.

    Thank god to that engineer who figured out "let's have a Redundant Rate Gyro Unit".

    The thing I don't understand is as long as it gets to outer space on the right course isn't that good enough? They arn't recovering the shuttle as this is going off into the far ether (well Mars far)

    1. Re:And to think they might of not noticed. by timster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, and if it DOESN'T get to outer space on the right course, then your pretty little orbiter is nothing more than a multimillion-dollar piece of useless space junk.

      So it's important that your rocket goes in the right direction. This is actually very hard to do. A rocket is inherently unstable, as the thrust isn't ever perfectly aligned with the center of mass, and any errors in position tend to magnify themselves.

      Ever blown up a balloon and released it? Notice how it flew every which way like crazy? Mostly NOT toward Mars?

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    2. Re:And to think they might of not noticed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might of? You should of used "have" if you had of had any grammer.

    3. Re:And to think they might of not noticed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, I am unable to parse, "might of not."

    4. Re:And to think they might of not noticed. by Jtheletter · · Score: 1
      Ever blown up a balloon and released it? Notice how it flew every which way like crazy? Mostly NOT toward Mars?

      Dude, I am SO inventing and patenting balloon gyros! Oho, Timmy will bear that smug birthdayboy smirk no longer when all balloons are gyro-guided directly at his face!

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    5. Re:And to think they might of not noticed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might "of"? You feckless idiot. Might have.

    6. Re:And to think they might of not noticed. by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 1

      Are you a former Infocom employee, by any chance?

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    7. Re:And to think they might of not noticed. by kinglink · · Score: 1

      I'm so ordering 100 gross...

      Yes, I need that many...

      and maybe a Balloon Safe pair of googles, because what happens when my enemies gets your balloon gyros.

    8. Re:And to think they might of not noticed. by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      What the heck are you trying to say? That a redundant gyro is foolish and profligate waste of taxpayers money?

            The gyro is what makes it go where it is supposed to go. Primary gyro failure, and no redundant unit = big splash in the Atlantic and/or range safety destruct. So you save $250,000 on a second gyro, and risk a $400 million+ dollar program.

              Brett

    9. Re:And to think they might of not noticed. by quarkscat · · Score: 1

      Well, it isn't as if such things have not happened before, particularly with Lockheed-Martin as NASA's contractor. I seem to recall that a previous $250 Million USD Mars orbital probe was turned into Mars "deep geological probe" when the units of measurement (Imperial & metric, or SI & metric?) were mixed between the flight and orbital software routines. Different software functions built by different sub-projects without adequate overall engineering management was apparently to blame. NASA's management should have caught the error even if Lockheed-Martin management didn't.

      Hopefully, that particular embarassing lesson will not need to be re-learned.

    10. Re:And to think they might of not noticed. by kinglink · · Score: 1

      check the dictionary for something called Sarcasm.

  5. Hopefully Thursday by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 5, Informative

    They are planning on testing the gyro unit today so they can get the launch off Thursday morning.

    Oddly enough, the Atlas V acually uses Russian engines in the 1st stage. Ironic for a rocket that was originally an ICBM.

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    1. Re:Hopefully Thursday by Ironsides · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oddly enough, the Atlas V acually uses Russian engines in the 1st stage. Ironic for a rocket that was originally an ICBM.

      One thing I've always wanted to seen done. Take all the US and Russian engineers, put them together, give them a blank check and the goal of colonizing space along with permission to use any and all knowlege (including classified) that they posses. And just wait to see how long it is until I'm living in orbit.

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    2. Re:Hopefully Thursday by GileadGreene · · Score: 2, Informative

      AFAIK, the Atlas V has little in common with the original Atlas ICBMs, aside from the name.

    3. Re:Hopefully Thursday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly enough, the Atlas V acually uses Russian engines in the 1st stage. Ironic for a rocket that was originally an ICBM.

      Actually, all that the Atlas V really shares with it's ICBM and payload vehicle predecessors is the name.

    4. Re:Hopefully Thursday by frgough · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'd wind up with the R101 Airhsip, version 2. It would be over deadline, overbudget and crash on liftoff.

      The best way to get a horrible result is to remove all restrictions.

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    5. Re:Hopefully Thursday by halber_mensch · · Score: 1

      One thing I've always wanted to seen done. Take all the US and Russian engineers, put them together, give them a blank check and the goal of colonizing space along with permission to use any and all knowlege (including classified) that they posses. And just wait to see how long it is until I'm living in orbit.

      With all of the ships adrift in the solar system from broken russian equipment and american software failure, you'd basically have the setting of Space Hulk... minus the space marine power armor... but maybe BLEEX will get there soon.

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    6. Re:Hopefully Thursday by boarder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Atlas V wasn't originally an ICBM. The Atlas was originally, but the Atlas II, IIAS, IIIA and IIIB were just normal launch vehicles. I work and did work on the latest four of these (I'm too young to have worked on the original Atlas and Atlas II) and can tell you that each is VERY different from the next iteration.

      It would be like saying your current Pentium IV PC is anything like the Pentium you had 10 years ago. ISA bus is gone, RAM is different, video cards are AGP instead of ISA or PCI, floppy drives aren't as prominent, *ATX form factor and power supply connectors instead of AT, etc. There are so many architectural changes (aside from speed and internal cpu design) that they are barely considered similar.

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    7. Re:Hopefully Thursday by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      A NASA guy on Science Friday was needled by a caller into talking about an Air Force contingency plan where they maintained a manned spaceflight capability throughout most of the life of the shuttle, because they don't trust the security around the shuttle.

      So, there's a parallel manned spaceflight program going on in the US under wraps. That's a resource that your plan could leverage if it were politically feasible.

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  6. What the heck is a launch window? by Lothsahn · · Score: 2

    I know that a launch window is a period of time that you can launch in, but is this an environmentally created window (ex: the atmosphere being ideal at a specific time), or is this some sort of legal clearance granted by the FAA/NASA, etc?

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    1. Re:What the heck is a launch window? by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 1

      Its a period of time when the Earth is pointed the correct way to align the crafts trajectory where you are wanting to end up (since the launch pad isn't very mobile).

      In this case its Mars. In the Shuttle's case it was to be able to meet the ISS in its orbit, AND be daylight during the launch.

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    2. Re:What the heck is a launch window? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The launch window is generally dictated by where you are trying to go, not so much local conditions like the atmosphere, but in which direction in space Cape Canaveral happens to be moving, and where the Earth and (in this case) Mars are in their orbits.

      As for the FAA, clearance is usually the other way around. NASA wants to launch, decides when, and the FAA then forbids pilots to enter the area.

    3. Re:What the heck is a launch window? by DestroyAllZombies · · Score: 1

      Everybody above basically has it right (i.e., Earth-Mars trajectories and planetary rotation), but the launch windows have also been shifted slightly to allow telemetry to come down near the upper stage separation. And most of the windows are actually 2 hours long, except on 8/11 and 8/18 (90 minutes).

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  7. Spheroid Earth and Launch Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The 1.5 hours is because of the optimum time for launching to Mars due to the earth's rotation right? Darn scientists! If they'd stuck to the flat earth model we'd not have to worry about all this launch window mumbo-jumbo.

    1. Re:Spheroid Earth and Launch Windows by richdun · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually launch window in this case (better explained in a post above) has to do with Earth's rotation, Earth's orbit around the sun, and Mars' orbit around the sun, among other celestial gravitational pulls and such. Basically since we don't have uber-powerful engines (or enough fuel to keep them going for long periods of time) and rely mostly on drifting in orbits to reach interplanetary targets, there's only a certain time frame that you can launch in and still be able to reach the orbit of the object you're aiming at.

    2. Re:Spheroid Earth and Launch Windows by databyss · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Actually it has to do with the Earths rotation and orbit around the sun.

      There wouldn't be only 1.5 hours a day if it didn't matter on the rotation of the Earth. It would then be anytime within these dates.

      1 Earth rotation = 1 Day.
      1 Earth revolution around the sun = 1 Year

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  8. Wikipedia to the rescue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It takes almost 5 seconds searching the term in the Wikipedia.

    Launch window is a term used in aerospace to describe a time period in which a particular rocket must be launched. For trips into Earth orbit almost any time will do, but if the spacecraft intends to rendezvous with another (or a planet, or other point in space) the launch must be carefully timed so that the orbits overlap at some point in the future. If the rocket does not launch in the "window", it has to wait for the next one before it can be launched.

  9. launch window by Craig_P92669 · · Score: 0

    "There is a 1.5 hour launch window daily until the end of the month.

    Anybody else thinking what I'm thinking?



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    1. Re:launch window by mailtomomo · · Score: 0

      Well, I think so, Brain, but I can't memorize a whole opera in Yiddish.

  10. Rumor has it... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Informative
    However a potential problem with the Atlas' Redundant Rate Gyro Units (RRGUs)...has caused the engineers to make sure that the two RRGUs in MRO's rocket are working

    ...that they just want to make sure that the RRGUs were installed the right side up.

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    1. Re:Rumor has it... by EqualOrLesserValue · · Score: 0
      The $264 million Genesis mission launched in August 2001 to study the composition of the early Solar System, which is thought to be reflected in the solar wind.

      Great. Makes me wonder if car mechanics would have done a better job and for cheaper.

      You'd think the direction of these sensors would have been checked and double-checked at that price.

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  11. Launch windows by Julian+Morrison · · Score: 1

    They're a matter of when the planets are close together so that you can conveniently lob a piece of hardware from one to another, and when the Earth has rotated to point in the right direction. Closeness of Earth and Mars happens every so often as they mutually orbit the sun at different speeds, and pointing in the right direction happens once a day.

    1. Re:Launch windows by p3d0 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Nope, that's not it. How close two planets are doesn't matter. What matters is that the trajectory you plan to use must intersect the planet you're trying to reach.

      However, even that is not pertinent here. When launching a spacecraft, it is beneficial always to launch eastward, because then you get an extra 400m/s boost due to the Earth's rotation, which can save a considerable amount of rocket fuel. (Fuel is exponential in the speed boost you need.) The 1.5 hour-per-day launch window represents the time during each day when your launch location is moving in such a way as to give that 400m/s boost in roughly the right direction to get to the trajectory you want to use to get to Mars.

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  12. Cell phone explionsion by sushipants · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Once it's launched "Guy/Girl On Mobile:" submissions are expected to skyrocket.

  13. shoulda used... by justforaday · · Score: 1

    "Dammit, I knew we should've loaded it with falafel instead."

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  14. Mod Gyroscopes... by kjones692 · · Score: 4, Funny

    -1, Redundant.

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  15. launch windows not a problem by skeletor935 · · Score: 0
    launch the rocket as soon as it gets fixed

    just rewrite the onboard navigational software to have a multiton rocket moving in excess of earth's escape velocity do a 180 degree turn so it points in the right direction towards mars

    with today's level of understanding of OOP and the required 49 layers of abstraction it should be as easy as baking a pie... never mind the bazillions of joules of energy wasted in reversing the momentum of a rocket

  16. launch Windows... by skeletor935 · · Score: 0
    launch Windows is a condition often experienced when buying premade computers from pretty much all retail stores and turning them on.

    Then some black screen with the words Windows appears and some little bar on the bottom of the page moves to the right leading you to believe that this Windows is loading up stuff important to running your computer successfully and securely

  17. +5 Best use of "noisome" by DG · · Score: 1

    There's a word you don't see every day - unless you're Stephan R Donaldson of course.

    Good job!

    DG

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  18. I've come to look forward to these by spun · · Score: 1

    Every story having to do with mars, I know there's going to be a funny update in the continuing saga of the Martian Council and their plans to keep the nefarious Earthlings off their planet. Just saying that in counterpoint to the jealous asshats who keep trying to drag you down.

    Yours are the best first posts ever, may you get a million more and frustrate hundreds of slimey trolls in the process.

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    1. Re:I've come to look forward to these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Yours are the best first posts ever, may you get a million more and frustrate hundreds of slimey trolls in the process

      Agreed.


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  19. Use it on the recently discovered surface ice? by brian0918 · · Score: 1

    Isn't one of the major goals of this orbiter to look for signs of water, and didn't the British orbiter recently find a "pool" of frozen water in a crater? It'll be interesting to see this orbiter's observations of the pool, especially at the resolution the size of a dinner table (compared with previous orbiters' resolution the size of a bus). Martian animal fossils, anyone?

    1. Re:Use it on the recently discovered surface ice? by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 1

      You're correct that Mars Express photographed an ice lake in a crater. However, the Mars Express Orbitor is run by the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency, not the British. The British did have a lander attached to Mars Express named Beagle 2, which crashed.

  20. While we're at it by spun · · Score: 1

    I'd like a pony.

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  21. They'd better hurry this up by durbnpoisn · · Score: 0, Redundant
    At the rate we are chopping down rain forrests and killing the atmosphere with fossil fuels, we are really going to need to consider colonizing Mars.

    So, they'd better this shit fixed and let's get moving already.

    1. Re:They'd better hurry this up by aevan · · Score: 1

      there are no rain forests or decent atmosphere on mars...so what would be the benefit? lording over two dead planets?

      live in domes there, live in domes here... and if we can teraform mars, we'd most likely be able to fix earth much more easily

      just failing to see the connection between reaching a dead world and the fate of our own

  22. They Still Use Atlas Rockets, huh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the 60s, those rockets were renowned for exploding on the launch pad. In fact, if the russians hadn't put a man in orbit before the US, they would have never strapped John Glen on top of one! BTW, they brought Glen down early because they thought they had a heat shield problem because of a defective sensor (all these seamless shuttle flights have spoiled us!).

    What's it gonna take to get better space program funding? Osama Bin Laden beats us to mars?

    Congress, and ultimately the People of the US need to accept responsibility for the shuttle disasters because of lowered funding since the 60s,70s and the fall of the USSR. Did they delay the entire space program to roll heads at NASA after the Apollo 1 fire? No, They re-engineered the hatch and got on with it.

    We've become a nation of whiners and finger pointers, and I personally think it's disgusting.

    1. Re:They Still Use Atlas Rockets, huh.... by Analog+Squirrel · · Score: 3, Informative
      I know I shouldn't feed the trolls... but this one is a little too silly to let pass.

      1. The early Atlas rockets were known for exploding on the pad when they had a Mercury capsule mounted on them. You see, the spacecraft was a far heavier payload than the Atlas was designed to carry. They were originally intended to carry a modest nuclear warhead, not an astronaut and all the things needed to keep him alive. All the weak points in the Atlas were eventually strengthened, and it went on to lauch 4 guys into orbit without much trouble(Glenn, Carpenter, Schirra, and Cooper all rode Atlases).

      In any case, you did notice, didn't you, that they're using an Atlas 5? Don't you think that after four more (numbered)generations, this just might be a more reliable rocket than guys in the '60s could ever wish for?

      2. And the stuff about Glenn's flight? He was only ever scheduled for three orbits. Both his flight and Carpenter's flight were planned this way. If both proved to be successful, ony then would they try for more ambitious flights. Go take a look at the book Deke!, written by "chief" astronaut Deke Slayton. He goes into a lot of details of some of the planning of many of the missions.

      As far as the rest of your comment goes, while I mostly agree with you, I also realize that since I'm living in a country with a democratic(ish) government, the sentiments of the majority will dictate(more or less) national policy. If the masses don't care for piloted space flight, neither will their representatives or sentators, which will eventually lead to the pathetic funding piloted space flight receives. I also think that, even with the limited budget, if the piloted space flight guys had permanenly grounded the shuttle after the Challenger accident and funneled all the shuttle budget after that into one or more R&D projects aimed at building a newer vehicle, we'd be much better off now. 20/20 hindsight, eh? Isn't it great?

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    2. Re:They Still Use Atlas Rockets, huh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well I can't address point 1) although to say that I never heard of a mecury capsule on an atlas exploding on the pad, they were a couple of sattelites and dummy ICBMs that exploded on the pad. but in any case point 2) is wrong. He was scheduled for 7 orbits, they indeed brought him down because a faulty sensor told the ground that the capsule's landing bag had been deployed. They brought him down with the retro rocket package in place to keep the heat shield on longer. Turns out they didn't need to do that at all and it endangered the mission. Please read your history, you obviously were around back then, the media coverage was so intense, you couldn't forget.

      As far as your last comment goes about democracy, well, it isn't really a comment more than it is a truism (i.e. about as much a rebuttal as saying the sky is blue). In a democracy, the people usually get the kind of government they deserve. Idiots voting for idiots, great times eh?

    3. Re:They Still Use Atlas Rockets, huh.... by Analog+Squirrel · · Score: 1
      Please read your history, you obviously were around back then, the media coverage was so intense, you couldn't forget.

      Actually, I was born about the time Apollo was finishing up... reading history is where I get my information. Quoting the book I mentioned above, page 106(second paragraph of the "Delta Seven" chaper in case editions are different: "Both MA-6 (John's flight) and MA-7 (mine) were intended to last for three orbits. In the original planning for Mercury, that had been intended as the culmination of the whole program It was the creation of the Apollo program, then Gemini, not to mention the Russians with their day-long flight, that encouraged us think about longer flights." You'll forgive me if I take the word of a Mercury astronaut over your's. :-)

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  23. HiRise camera by slashd'oh · · Score: 4, Informative

    This mission will carry the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRise), which is "the largest camera ever sent out of Earth's orbit and will deliver the highest resolution images of Mars yet" according to an article that adds "The camera utilizes a series of mirrors and lenses that project the image onto a cluster of CCDs rendering images with a resolution up to 20,000 pixels by 40,000 lines, an image so large that it would take 1,200 typical computer screens to fully display. The camera's high resolution will enable the identification of objects as small as a coffee table while the camera orbits 300 kilometers above the planet's surface."

    Back in January 2004, there was an interesting article at Space.com about the high quality of the 1-megapixel camera used by the Spirit rover; I assume this is manufactured to similar quality control standards (although by a different team), but the article doesn't specify and the cameras are not manufactured by the same groups. The Spirit PANCAM has two CCDs whereas this has at least 14 (28?).

    1. Re:HiRise camera by chrissz · · Score: 1

      "The camera's high resolution will enable the identification of objects as small as a coffee table while the camera orbits 300 kilometers above the planet's surface." If this camera can resolve a coffee table-sized object as it orbits from that height, just think of the wonderful pictures we'll get as the whole probe goes off course and plunges into the Martian atmosphere and buries itself hundreds of feet into the red soil. "Did you get a look at that rock just before we crashed into it and vaporized it"

    2. Re:HiRise camera by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we'll find K'Breel's Council Chamber at last...

      SB

      --
      It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
  24. Upside down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting. From the engineers' perspective, your plan looks like this:

    1. Profit!
    2. ???
    3. Colonize space.
  25. Random names on /.? by bradbury · · Score: 1

    Re: who wants to know the random names on /.?

    Someone who takes the time to investigate *who* the 'random names' are.

    Sometimes you just might be surprised...

  26. NASA website for HiRISE by slashd'oh · · Score: 1

    NASA website for HiRISE: http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/

  27. you have to be kidding me? by deft · · Score: 2, Funny

    "All glory to the Council!"

    They got the iraqi information minister?

    --

    There's nothing Intelligent about Intelligent Design.
  28. And the (back of the) envelope please... by Quadraginta · · Score: 1

    Now that seems like a lot of data. Let's see, I read somewhere it's going to image 1% of the surface of Mars. Mars has a surface area of [Googles radius, punches calculator] 1.4e+14 m^2, so 1% of that is 1.4e+12 m^2. If the smallest thing you can resolve is a coffee table, and that's about 1 m^2, then that suggests each pixel is 1 m^2, so we have 1.4e+12 pixels coming back. Full color, natch, so no less than 32 bpp, totaling 5.8 terabytes.

    That's a lot of data. If it has to get back here in a year or so, that's more than 1.4 megabit/second through your deep-space radio modem, even if you transmit around the clock all year.

    I conclude either it's going to take substantially more than a year, or they've actually got a deep-space radio T1.

    1. Re:And the (back of the) envelope please... by TheRocketMan · · Score: 2, Informative
      From the press kit:

      Resolution at 300km altitude is 30 cm per pixel for targeted observations (one of 3 modes). I beleve the 1% number is for targeted imaging only.

      For the high gain, the pipe to Earth is up to 3.5 Mbit/sec (receiving at a 70m antenna) and about 2.4 Mbit/sec for a 34m antenna.

      Expected total data volume for the prime mission only, (through 2010) is 34 terabtes!

    2. Re:And the (back of the) envelope please... by audunr · · Score: 1

      Time to check that Resume download feature as well.

    3. Re:And the (back of the) envelope please... by mopomi · · Score: 1

      Or, and I'm just guessing here, they're going to compress (!) the data before sending it back to Earth.

      Ok, I'm being a smart ass. But, come on, we have great compression technologies, why wouldn't we use them?

  29. Hyperlinks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This story doesn't have enough hyperlinks. In future, I would prefer to see every word with its own link, please.

    Many thanks,

    Clickman

  30. Meteor Shower? by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

    I'm sure the risk isn't hardly worth thinking about, but I've read taht some satellites are turned narrow side on during meteor showers to reduce risks of any kind of damage. I also noticed that the Perseids peak on Friday. I was wondering if anyone has any insight on considerations that might be made in light of the proximity of dates. Is it completely not worth worrying about, is it a calculated risk, or is there already enough shielding in place in anticipation of dust encountered during the interplanetary flight?

    I suppose it would be disappointing for the MRO to reach orbit, only to find out their nice new telescope has pockmarks on the lens/mirror

  31. CCAFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not launching from KSC, but from the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station CCAFS, right next door.

    Only the shuttle launches at KSC since NASA got out of the secret military launch business.

  32. skeptical by Quadraginta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just taking a guess here, but I'd say they'll only consider lossless compression schemes (no point in throwing away data it took $400 million to collect), and that photos of Mars are not boring enough (e.g. with vast seas of one-color pixels) to be very compressable via lossless algorithms.

  33. Re:10th post? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes . . . for my bung-hole. Bee-aatch!!