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Your Homework is Play Video Games

GuitarNeophyte writes "Four schools in the UK will be testing a new program idea to use video games for educational use. An IT researcher, along with Electronic Arts (the software game giant) are funding the proposition. 'We're looking at developing some of the softer skills that are needed for the 21st century, such as problem-solving, resilience, persistence and collaboration.' "

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  1. I beleive this to be the future of education by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IMO, it is vital to make homework not feel like homework in order to get children interested in their schooling again and combat their growing apathy.

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    1. Re:I beleive this to be the future of education by ryanov · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't really get it though. My parents told me "listen, quit the fucking apathy and do your homework." If I didn't, I was sorry (no, they didn't beat me up, but they punished me, y'know... like parents). I'm not really sure why grade school kids get to decide whether they wanna do work or not these days.

    2. Re:I beleive this to be the future of education by hungrygrue · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ummm no. If it is necessary to keep the brats entertained at all times and constantly stimulated in order to get their attention, then there is a serious problem. The correct response is to not allow them to have their toys and games at all if they can't be bothered to come out of their fantasy world and do some work.

      Pandering to them and trying to keep them interested because they have the attention spans of fruit flies will only make the problem worse. It is the kids that need to change, not the entire world in which they live. If little Johnny can't be bothered to do his Math homework because it's not as fun as playing Quake, then little Johny should get teh $#!+ beat out of him until he decides that maybe he SHOULD do his work. His math teacher should not have to wear a clown nose, dance a jig, and assign video games for homework just to keep him awake.

    3. Re:I beleive this to be the future of education by mrRay720 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How very true.

      But then since you can seemingly get branded a child-hating monster of a bad parent nowadays by even looking at your child in a disaproving manner while they rape and old woman... this isn't really surprising.

      Children nowadays are given more and more freedom and less and less resonsponsibilites. You can get away with pretty much anything short of murder if you're under 16. What are parents getting in return in order to combat this? Well they're told that it's not their responsibility, and this is reinforced over and over. For those that realise that this is completely stupid and dare actually try and rase their child sensibly, they're attacked for doing so.

      Homework is just a tiny fraction of the overall problem here.

    4. Re:I beleive this to be the future of education by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find that children respond better to positive reinforcement and supportive counselling than savage beatings. What is this, 1920?

      YMMV..

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    5. Re:I beleive this to be the future of education by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The idea here is to make homework more engaging. Even though the term "video game" is being bandied about, what they're really talking about is "computer simulation." This technology will make it easier to introduce the concept of *case studies* to kids at an earlier age. As anyone who went to college knows, the best way to learn something is by doing case studies.

      When I was in grade school and high school, we just did pages full of math problems, with no real explanation of what use they are. While I still think that is necessary just to build up practice, I would have appreciated going to the next level and learning how some of those concepts actually applied to real life. As a result, there is a lot of stuff I learned in algebra and trig that I have simply forgotten over the years because I never had a chance to apply it to a real life situation, albeit a simulated one.

    6. Re:I beleive this to be the future of education by Washizu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I find that children respond better to positive reinforcement and supportive counselling than savage beatings."

      Especially when savage beatings are the next step when positive reinforcement fails.

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    7. Re:I beleive this to be the future of education by Shotgun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IMO, it is vital to make homework not feel like homework in order to get children interested in their schooling again and combat their growing apathy.

      Bullocks. How will you make the hamburger-flipping jobs they get after graduation not feel like hamburger-flipping? Will EA create a hamburger-flipping game to make minimum wage exciting. This is nothing but a total abdication of responsibility by the teacher organizations.

      People need to get it through their thick skulls that success depends not on what happens to a person, but how they react to it. Apathy doesn't come from the homework being boring. It comes from the lack of a connection between the work and the real world. Teaching is the art/science of helping students make that connection, and then standing back while the student does the rest. Once the children discover that the games are pointless, the apathy will be just as deep. Except now we'll be further along the path of convincing ourselves that it is the world, not ourselves, that is screwed up, and that everything would be more exciting if we could just change the color of the virtual armor to make life not feel like work.

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    8. Re:I beleive this to be the future of education by milimetric · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I strongly disagree.

      If you make something easy or fun it loses educational value. This is much more obvious in athletics. I have yet to encounter a workout regime that is "fun" and actually works to make you a great athlete. To run even a 5 minute mile, you have to get your ass out there and run until your veins pump acid and keep running and do it every day with a little day of rest once in a while.

      Why is it that everyone seems to think mathematics or language or anything is any different? There may be some geniuses among us that love to learn and absorb everything and make it seem fun. However, they are most often tormented by their passion and driven through some very hard nights of sleeplessness and study.

      To learn something well, you have to work hard at it. When America comes to grips with the fact that working hard is not fun and that you can't buy such and such device to make it fun, it will perhaps be the country it once was. Until then, it is headed in the direction of easy come easy go.

      I am a 23 year old young adult who learned mathematics, programming, language, art, science, history, basketball, all the hard way. I loved every minute of it without having an ounce of fun. I had fun playing starcraft and quake and unreal tournament and pick up basketball games. I've lived in many varied neighborhoods and been educated in many different schools. Trust me on this one. What the world needs is not fun, it's hard work. The world was built on hard work. Having fun would only consume what has been built. Working hard would further develop and build our world. It's your choice, but I sincerely hope we'll choose to work hard.

    9. Re:I beleive this to be the future of education by Captain+Penguin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am inclined to disagree with you. It is not always so simple. Some children simply have major mental and social issues that need to be addressed and merely threatening punishment will do no good. Instead, for some children threatening punishment will only make things worse. Counseling and, if absolutely necessary, medications are the only way to deal with such children. I should know. It happened to my younger brother.

    10. Re:I beleive this to be the future of education by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree that there are some children with real mental problems that need professional treatment. The problem is that we are getting to the point where ALL children are being treated that way. Drugs are being given to children who don't need them because adults don't want to have to deal with thier naturally overactive personalities instead of teaching them that there is a time and place for different kinds of behavior. Constant counseling given to genuinely 'bad' kids who learn that they can do anything they want and get no punishment at all except having to BS their way through a talk with a boring old guy every few days.

    11. Re:I beleive this to be the future of education by dnoyeb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Video games feed information at a relatively accelerated rate. They contribute to low attention span, impatience, and quickness to boredom. Bad qualities to nurture.

      But hey, theres always Ritalin.

    12. Re:I beleive this to be the future of education by Durinthal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They contribute to low attention span, impatience, and quickness to boredom.

      That's because you're letting them play an FPS before an RPG.

  2. Calling Captain Obvious by WormholeFiend · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it's work, it won't bring the same satisfaction as playing a game for pleasure.

    1. Re:Calling Captain Obvious by bedroll · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Exactly.

      As an example I'll use my nephew. When he was 5 years old my brother-in-law bought a new computer, after two years of me pleading that he accept that his Packard Bell Pentium 133 wasn't up to playing 99% of available video games. When he did this we almost immediately bought my nephew several K-3 educational video games. At first he really liked them and was excited to play them, until someone gave him their old playstation. Now you can't pull him away from your standard lot of sports and kids games. These games do little to teach more than hand-eye coordination. They are more fun, though, so he'll stick to them.

  3. It's a start by Nairoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The way I see it, at least they're considering if this is a good idea, rather than going down the "games=bad" route. All of the skills they want to teach the kids, from the article, are present in games.

    I'd be interested to see how this turns out, and if it's actually teacher-led "gaming", as it were, rather than "I'll sit here with a cup of tea catching up on my mountain of paperwork when you play these games and hopefully learn something".

    At the very least, it's a start.

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  4. Games in school? Not MY child! by Knight+Thrasher · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Some parent, some where, is in a panic thinking the system is about to spring GTA on their kid.

    It's been said before that parents don't care what kind of games their kids play but rather how much time they're spending playing them.

  5. Sounds like fun! by TildeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I was little, I had all the computer games like Operation Neptune, Super Solvers Midnight Rescue, Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego, Number Munchers, and so on. Those were totally awesome. I'd play them again if I had them. When I was even younger (like maybe 4), I had an awesome baseball game where at each at-bat, you choose a level of difficulty and they give you an appropriate arithmetic problem. You get it right, you get a hit. You get it wrong, you're out. /No point to this post, just waxing nostalgic...

  6. Easy homework by mynickwastaken · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There will be some web sites filled up with cheats as well.

  7. Re:how about by utopianfiat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oregon Trail
    Dino Park Tycoon
    Odell Down Under

    and the endless other games we played in school. How is this new?

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  8. Re:Problem-solving by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps it is because of the overwhelming lack of critical thinking and other cognitive skills in young adults nowadays.
    I wonder if every generation says this about the generation they produced. Meanwhile technology still progesses forward.

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  9. When I was a child.... by kinglink · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We had many games that are "educational" the suprising thing though is these were well built games, and I believe the best ones came out of EGA (if I remember that company right) and EA. Carmen Sandiago anyone? I particularly liked the Super Solver series for their logic problems.

    If EA is making games for children that'd be great, but Video games for homework only works when we deal with games for learning. Madden isn't going to teach anyone that much except hand and eye coordination and how not to get your QB completely sacked (then again I have yet to learn that).

    All I hope is that they are as interesting and entertaining as the games in my youth, such as the typing games that had a car moving and the faster you typed the faster you went. Those games were entertaining to me, and kept my attention and taught me some spelling (though not that much) and typing.

  10. They were doing something right back then. by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People coming out of the 1920's education system were far smarter than what the system is producing now. They could actually read, write, and perform mathematics. Imagine that! Today you'll find many university-level students who struggle with such basic tasks.

    The strict discipline of the early 20th century gave children only one choice: to learn! And so they did.

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    1. Re:They were doing something right back then. by Choad+Namath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many people even finished high school then? Both of my grandfathers dropped out of school after 8th grade (in the 1920s), and I'm sure that wasn't uncommon.

  11. Re:Drivers Ed by Doverite · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I had this idea a while ago. The problem is that unlike flight sims like MSFS nobody is willing to risk the potential for lawsuits and liability that these things would generate. Nobody expects to only use a flight sim program to learn to fly but all those teenagers are to big a risk for the software companies to take, not my opinion but, otherwise there would be dozens of these simulators. I know I'd spend a couple hundred on SW and equipment for myself let alone my kid. But all those ambulance chasers out there would look past the hundreds of lives these things could save to sue the company for a few mill. because there is a potential flaw in the program.

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  12. Dance Dance Gym Class by Travelsonic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They should go to Konami for games they could use in gym class. Last time I checked, Dance Dance Revolution is one helluva addicting, and sweat inducing game even when you are not in workout mode.

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  13. Re:Ew... by Elias+Ross · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Am I the only one who remembered EA back in the C=64 days, when they truly were the maker/publisher of innovative video games? Classics such as Archon, Mail Order Monsters, Racing Destruction Set, Modem Wars, Wasteland, etc.

  14. Missing key by RyoShin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'We're looking at developing some of the softer skills that are needed for the 21st century, such as problem-solving, resilience, persistence and collaboration.'

    And, in the back of the package, in small print: Social skills not included.

  15. move! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    These skills can also be acquired through athletics, or the physical and artistic discipline of dance. Which might help us stop raising generations of overweight kids who grow into chronically obese adults, in sedentary jobs with all the attendant health problems (mental and physical), who are barely aware that they have bodies, much less how to use or take care of them.

  16. Re:Ew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The company that created Battlefield wasn't owned by EA until well into the developement of the sequal(s) to Battlefield. So they weren't developed under the conditions you'd think of when you think of EA, and your point is bogus :P

  17. Re:Headshots for soft skills... :P by NewStarRising · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure, base-camping is not nice, if the poor new-spawn can't do anything before getting sniped.

    But then, my experience of online FPS is about 20 hours of Counterstrike: Source, 15hours of that on Dust2 map. 25 per team.
    Plenty of sniping, lots of grenades, and choice of weaponry.
    And I get BORED sniping. More fun to run around, shooting, retreating, grenading, than sit in one place looking at a cross-hair, waiting for a light pixel near the centre (piece of background in the far distance) to turn dark (Person). BANG. dang, missed.

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