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Winemaker Drinks To Linux

An anonymous reader writes "Australian winemaker De Bortoli is a firm believer in Linux. CIO Bill Robertson says he's 'bemused by any notion that Linux is poorly supported in the enterprise since he has never had any trouble finding support for De Bortoli's open-source systems', and says that those IT managers having trouble simply 'aren't looking hard enough.' There are also some other good case studies here -- telecommuncations provider TransACT, online hotel booking service Wotif, engineering contractor Coates and investment and funds management group Aviva."

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  1. Yeah, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    A lot of people in this country pooh-pooh Australian table wines. This is a pity, as many fine Australian wines appeal not only to the Australian palette, but also to the cognoscenti of Great Britain.

    "Black Stump Bordeaux" is rightly praised as a peppermint flavoured Burgundy, whilst a good "Sydney Syrup" can rank with any of the world's best sugary wines.

    "Chateau Bleu", too, has won many prizes; not least for its taste, and its lingering afterburn.

    "Old Smokey, 1968" has been compared favourably to a Welsh claret, whilst the Australian wino society thouroughly recommends a 1970 "Coq du Rod Laver", which, believe me, has a kick on it like a mule: 8 bottles of this, and you're really finished -- at the opening of the Sydney Bridge Club, they were fishing them out of the main sewers every half an hour.

    Of the sparkling wines, the most famous is "Perth Pink". This is a bottle with a message in, and the message is BEWARE!. This is not a wine for drinking -- this is a wine for laying down and avoiding.

    Another good fighting wine is "Melbourne Old-and-Yellow", which is particularly heavy, and should be used only for hand-to-hand combat.

    Quite the reverse is true of "Chateau Chunder", which is an Appelachian controle, specially grown for those keen on regurgitation -- a fine wine which really opens up the sluices at both ends.

    Real emetic fans will also go for a "Hobart Muddy", and a prize winning "Cuiver Reserve Chateau Bottled Nuit San Wogga Wogga", which has a bouquet like an aborigine's armpit.

  2. Here it goes... by thc69 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cue the wine jokes...

    Does his wine run linux? Imagine a beowulf cluster of linux wine bottles.

    Does he offer wine packages for many distributions?

    Will his wine run Internet Explorer in Linux?

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  3. Ambiguous Headlines by NoTheory · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course, wine makers support linux! Oh wait. wrong wine.

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  4. Wine? by ndansmith · · Score: 3, Funny

    So wait, are they a wine company or a Linux gaming company?

  5. "Looking hard enough" for support by ReformedExCon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't doubt the ability of Linux to be everything a company needs to run their software. After all, it is based on Unix, which was designed for ease of use, and has been standardized upon across many industries. Linux is absolutely a useful operating system, a great, working cog in the networks across the world.

    But support is one of those things that ought not be something that ought to be sought "hard". Support should be easily purchased from service companies dedicated to the task. Support should be available from any number of certified engineers who have made it a priority to understand the system. Support should not be intricately tied to Google (though it certainly has its place there), but rather it should be supported by professionals.

    And really, in all but the most remote locations, it is. Linux isn't difficult to put into place because support is difficult to find. On the contrary, it is easy to find companies willing to provide support. The drawback is that typically these services come at a price higher than similar service contracts with Microsoft support professionals.

    Then again, you get what you pay for.

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    1. Re:"Looking hard enough" for support by kevin_conaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Looking hard enough isn't an answer.

      Sometimes, people NEED to be able to have support if something is broken. Waiting for a reply on a mailing list or hoping you don't piss off an op on IRC just isn't good enough.

      This reason is why Redhat is so successful with their paid support.

    2. Re:"Looking hard enough" for support by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Their job is to purchase services from the first contractor that walks up to their desk with something to sell. You're suggesting that they should pick up a phone and call someone who offers services - like Red Hat or IBM. I mean, who the FUCK can find IBM? Their website is some three letter acronym that nobody can remember. And the website acronym is the same three letters as the company name, so forget about putting it into a bookmark. If you can remember the three letter acronym that stands for 'IBM' then you could have just typed the fucking thing.

      They don't do that. Windows service providers magically appear in front of their desk. And all an IT manager has to do that that point is buy something. What could be easier than that? Linux obviously can't compete with that kind of boot-licking service.

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    3. Re:"Looking hard enough" for support by Zphbeeblbrox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can truthefully say that I rarely get my support from a mailing list or IRC. Actually I just use google. 99.9% of the time it has the info I need and I'm intelligent enough to understand it. IT workers are paid to "think". Solve the problem. If I have to solve a windows server problem I hit the msdn website. If I have to solve a linux problem I hit google. both get me the answers I need in roughly the same amount of time. Oh and one other thing at least when I hit Linux HOWTO sites they haven't moved the content and forgotten to redirect you to the right spot. How many broken links are on msdn now? Or maybe that's just me.

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  6. Fluf by Flamesplash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a crappy case study amounting to little more information than "Company A uses Linux well for what they do." If this is a real case study it should go into details not just "hey it works."

    If this is supposedly marketing then show me a case study for a company using X and I can find one for a company using it's competition Y.

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  7. word! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "and says that those IT managers having trouble simply 'aren't looking hard enough.'"

    word!
    Yes, it's a pain in the ass to go on IRC or users groups or read, post and interact with people, learning sucks,.. and it's hard too.
    just someone, make it work for me.

  8. Isn't this EXACTLY the point?!? by fzammett · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "...those IT managers having trouble simply 'aren't looking hard enough.'"

    Isn't that EXACTLY the point of buying from a vendor? So that I can EASILY and QUICKLY get the support I need WITHOUT HAVING TO LOOK FOR IT?!?

    I can see the MS and Sun and IBM ad campaigns next week..

    "Choose XXXX because our support staff is a phonecall away, 24/7x365... Or make sure you have a good newsgroup feed and bookmark all the good OSS sites because that's your other option!"

    Ugh. With friends like this wino, who needs enemeis?

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    1. Re:Isn't this EXACTLY the point?!? by WinterSolstice · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, considering the support we have had from IBM Tivoli, I'd rather rely on OSS. We have been unable to take reliable backups for 4 months, and had a "critsit" ticket for 3 months. IBM couldn't care less, and couldn't be providing worse service if they tried.

      For the money, just as easy to go OSS.

      -WS

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  9. I think it's obvious by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 3, Funny

    that this boss is not a psychopath...

  10. Oblig. Simpsons Quote by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Homer: Every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain. Remember when I took that home wine-making course and I forgot how to drive?

    Marge: Homer, you were drunk!

    Homer: And how!

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  11. Support is overrated by totallygeek · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Ten years ago, the biggest trouble I was having selling Linux solutions was the support issue. My rebuttal then was, "How often do you call Sun, Microsoft, or Novell?" Now, there are tons of company support outlets, and Linux is much more accepted by businesses. But, the focus has now shifted to, "Who can I get to support this?" Quality support people can be difficult to find. Of course, I hate always hearing that I might get hit by a Mack truck...

    1. Re:Support is overrated by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ten years ago, the biggest trouble I was having selling Linux solutions was the support issue. My rebuttal then was, "How often do you call Sun, Microsoft, or Novell?"

      Unfortunately, perception is and always has been reality to a certain extent. Remember the old adage, "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM."? It's getting better, but to a certain extent it's true of Microsoft now.

      Going Linux might be considered a radical idea with big risks. If the slightest thing goes wrong, you might be looking for another job.

      If you go Microsoft which is perceived as "the natural choice" by some, if something goes wrong, not many bosses would blame you.

      This doesn't make it right, but it is reality for many.

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    2. Re:Support is overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't really understand your post, but I'll agree that support is overrated. My place of employment is a Windows/Novell shop. My boss is scared of anything that isn't commercial (he even considers "shareware" to be "on par" with freeware) because he can't buy support for it.

      Meanwhile, we have several applications that we (by requirement) bought from the lowest bidder. I've spent many a day and night trying to get ahold of a competent support person (even when we've paid big bucks for onsite service with a <24-hour response time!!), without luck. We've had such bad service with commercial support that we usually end farking around with it until we get it fixed (or not), just as we would with unsupported software.

      Meanwhile, with open source (and even Microsoft) solutions I can go on Google and type in my problem and be given a list of possible resolutions.

      Don't even get me started with the idea of pre-paid support dollars, which my boss is also a huge fan of (thanks to rigid budgets). I can't count how many times we've been ripped off by that concept. It seems like it's almost better to get screwed out of money than it is to have a number in the budget that isn't set in stone.

      Open source support may suck, but commercial support sucks at least as much.

    3. Re:Support is overrated by ievans · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The thing is, your customers were basically right. Your (former?) belief that support contracts are a waste of money because the customers rarely if ever call on Microsoft/Sun/Novell ignores the main reason why someone gets a support contract: it's a hedge against their systems failing. It's like claiming that fire insurance is a waste of money because fires are extremely rare. Yes, they're rare, but if you have a fire and don't have insurance, you are SOL.

      All the posts here about how newsgroups, IRC, and Google searches provide all the support they need is irrelevent. Support is insurance. They're paying somebody to be an expert in case something bad happens, so if they can't figure it out themselves (maybe after doing some searches on Google etc.) somebody will come in and fix it.

      Note that I'm not saying that all support contracts are good investments, or making any claim about the quality of support. I'm talking about the motivation for having them.

  12. Just another argument for windows by gothzilla · · Score: 3, Funny

    Having trouble finding support? Use Windows and you'll have a million windows techs begging for a minimum wage job.

  13. Not looking hard enough? by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Interesting
    and says that those IT managers having trouble simply 'aren't looking hard enough.'

    I would argue that they're not looking at all. Not only are they not looking, they're not taking sales calls from companies that do support and customize OSS apps. They're making an effort not to know.

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  14. Of course by Approaching.sanity · · Score: 3, Funny

    He can find linux users to work for him! He makes booze!

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  15. RTFA by xstonedogx · · Score: 5, Informative

    It wasn't even a direct quote.

    From TFA:
    "In the early days we bought a support contract from HP, and they've provided us with gold-plated support all along," Robertson says. "All in all, five external organisations have provided support to De Bortoli's open-source software -- we've had no trouble finding help, and no trouble implementing on-site training."

    It sounds like he is saying those that are having trouble aren't looking at all.

  16. The support issue by dlefavor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    As long as there are people willing to pay for support, there will be people willing to do it for money.

    The thing about support of Open Source Software is that quality support demands above all else a stable product. No, not one that doesn't crash very often, one that doesn't change very often. Every change a programmer makes to a program introduces a risk of retraining for the support staff. The last thing a customer wants to hear from Technical Support is "your programmers changed the source and that's why it doesn't work any more.".

    That's why it's important for enterprises to keep programmers away from the programs unless the company is prepared to support itself. This is not a problem for proprietary software because the programmers don't have the source code. For open source, though, the temptation to "change that routine so it works better in our environment" is pretty overwhelming and absolutely toxic to the support scenario.