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Is the Net an Independent Artist's New Radio?

An anonymous reader writes "Richard Menta from MP3 Newswire recently posted an article that describes how the Net has shifted his tastes from main stream radio artists to indie acts he discovered online. Slashdot has run a number of articles dealing with the struggles of independent artists and how the net is helping them. Between the recent payola scandal and the incursion of Big Radio into podcasting the major labels are pushing hard to monopolize what they can. The good news is that Big Music is much slower adjusting to the changes brought about by technology than Little Music and the sky is looking rosier for the independent artist. In a July article, CNET also discussed how things are looking much better for the independents."

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  1. No by tonsofpcs · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's quite hard to get the internet in my car when driving any distance over a few meters. Radio however works well for many hundreds or thousands of miles [ad infinitum, barring interference]

    1. Re:No by erick99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you listened to XM or Sirius radio?

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    2. Re:No by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      While I hate the word, you might want to investigate podcasting. Assuming you have a portable digital music player that plugs into your car, or you an in-car device, you can just download straight to that. If not, then you can set up a script to burn a CDR(W) full of music each morning, and put that in your car.

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    3. Re:No by thc69 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      First, you said:
      You actually listen to the radio? How can you tolerate that crap?
      Then, when satellite radio was suggested, you said:
      Why would I want to pay for radio?
      Is there something I fail to understand here? First you suggest that free radio sucks, then you question why somebody would pay for something better? Heh...yeah.
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    4. Re:No by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Are you bored? We GET that its not live.... Unless you're looking for traffic reports and weather alerts, WHY WOULD YOU CARE?

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    5. Re:No by xedd · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Radio however works well for many hundreds or thousands of miles"

      Yeah.
      Thousands of miles of frikin COMMERICALS.

      Oldstyle, corporate/corrupt, Milli Vanilli crapola infested "Radio" can suck my quivering antenna.

  2. Radio isn't just about music. by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The concept of "radio", as in the means to relatively easily and affordably address large masses of people, does not revolve around music.

    Another very important component is the dispersal of political thought. Indeed, that perhaps overrides the importance of music any day. If it were not for the independence of the current Internet, groups such as the 9/11 truth movement would never have been able to deliver their message to so many people.

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    1. Re:Radio isn't just about music. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If it were not for the independence of the current Internet, groups such as the 9/11 truth movement would never have been able to deliver their message to so many people

      Well, I'd not head of them until you mentioned them. Now, having read their website, I'm still not entirely sure what the truth that they are attempting to tell everyone is.

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    2. Re:Radio isn't just about music. by Brandon+K · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If it were not for the independence of the current Internet, groups such as the 9/11 truth movement would never have been able to deliver their message to so many people.

      I'm sorry, is that a good or a bad thing?
    3. Re:Radio isn't just about music. by XFilesFMDS1013 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If thats the Free Republic I think you're writing of, it's actually .com, http://www.freerepublic.com/

    4. Re:Radio isn't just about music. by XFilesFMDS1013 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately, whatever side you're on, both sides have their crazy extremists.

  3. Same here by Mr2cents · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Radio stations are controlled by the record companies, they try to force-feed you with all the crap they're trying to sell. Problem is, I'm not interested in commerce, I want to listen to quality music. So now there are these great specialized internet radio's with music I never heard before. Or you can leech months worth of music on your HD from friends, listen to it and decide for yourself what you like. It's great!

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    1. Re:Same here by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am wondering if corporations are already controlling the future of radio now. If you go to iTunes, the top 10 podcast feeds used to be anyone's talk show out of their basement.

      Now it's all ABC, Ebert Roeper, Newsweek same shit you see on the newstand. Why waste time with a new medium, if it is the same people delivering the same message.

    2. Re:Same here by mini+me · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Radio stations are controlled by the record companies, they try to force-feed you with all the crap they're trying to sell.

      Ironically, they play the songs so often that there is no need to buy the music, even if you do like it.

  4. future of radio by SolusSD · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It (hopefully) will evolve into digital radio over FM frequencies (first starting with a couple as car stereos and home stereos support the digital format) that are streamed off of the internet where radio stations can provide commercial or private content.

  5. Absolutely by kerrle · · Score: 3, Informative
    I started listing to SomaFM's Groove Salad a year or so ago, and it's tipped me off to several artists I wouldn't have otherwise known existed.

    If I lived in a larger city, maybe there'd be enough of an independent music scene that this wouldn't be necessary, but in South Texas, it just isn't there (unless you're into Tejano).

  6. Big Radio is going down by tunabomber · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can easily imagine a time when the only remaining stronghold of Clearchannel clone stations and their ilk is the morning commute. They might be trying to "monopolise" newer mediums like webradio and podcasting, but it just can't happen because there's no scarcity of broadcast bandwidth (as is the case with radio spectrum).

    If you buy the Long Tail theory, it looks like the media market will become only more diverse as we increase our global bandwidth capacity.

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  7. No question about it by Crixus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think there's any question that the net is the new radio. Whether it be talk or music, Podcasts have shown that they can get REAL ratings.

      Like with so many things, either the dissemintation of information, music, or software, the internet is a great delivery mechanism with a ridiculously huge distribution potential.

        Let's take advantage of it. Speaking of which, check out my sig.

      Rich...

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  8. Indie Podcasts are the new college radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    www.75minutes.com

    This is a perfect example of a radio show with knowledgable hosts and DJs, well-informed interviews, excellently selected indie music, indie music news, etc. In fact it is a picture-perfect radio show... but it's a podcast.

  9. No matter what, it's hard work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Speaking as a music artist, there is no easy way to get your music out. No matter what type of medium or media, it always involves a lot of patience, work, and dedication.

    -pronobozo

  10. WOXY by bigbigbison · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not only is WOXY.com an independently owned and operated web radio station that is commercial free and has live dj's M-F that play requests, they are also restarting their unsigned band contest as Unsigned@woxy.com an hour-long show and a podcast for unsigned artists.

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  11. the RIAA already knows this... by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 3, Informative

    And that's why they've tried to stifle the genesis of internet radio streams, by setting the standard licensing rates very high and using patents on both the techniques and the technology to suppress the services. Internet radio definitely has the potential to break the RIAA's monopoly on introducing people to new artists.

  12. Marketing versus Distribution. by neo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The Music Industry" controls two parts of a long chain:

    artist -> art -> marketing/advertising -> distribution -> retailer -> listener

    It's pretty obvious that people can only like music they have heard, so "The Music Industry" tried to control radio, where listeners could hear music for free (if you consider being forced to hear commercials free) what "The Music Industry" wanted you to buy. In fact, the playlist was often created by a single person at the station who more or less made money from the industry by pushing certain "products".

    An artist had two choices. Sell out and let "The Music Industry" take care of marketing/advertising -> distribution and give up large control over their art in their contracts -or- go indie with a smaller label that didn't have the power to really get a large audience to hear the music.

    The internet has taken care of one half of the problem. So distribution is now available more or less for free when compared to shipping CD's to retail stores.

    What's missing right now is marketing/advertising. You have to get people to hear a song before they can decide they like it or not. Apple figured this out and now that's what PodCasting is about. If you find a PodCast you like, then you are likely to find music there you want... and Apple hopes you buy it from the iTunes Music Store.

    But the whole current system is flawed, IMO. I'm certainly in the minority with this opinion, but I view artist, musicians in this case, as part of a service industry. They don't make property, like a chair or a computer, they create music, which is not physical and hence can't be owned. But that's a debate for another thread.

    The good news? Big Music is going to die and it doesn't even know it. The bad news? Artist need to switch to a neo-patronage system to get paid when information trading gets to the point that it kills Big Music.

    1. Re:Marketing versus Distribution. by geekd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      artist -> art -> marketing/advertising -> distribution -> retailer -> listener

      Quite true.

      I am an "independent musician". I distibute my music over the web. I know many, many other musicians who do so also.

      Most musicians I know are quite good at the art part, and quite bad/clueless at the marketing part (myself included). Marketing is mostly salesmanship. Musicians, for the most part, are not salesmen. Mostly, we dislike salesmen.

        If you look at sucessfull bands that came from the indie scene, either they were good at marketing, or had someone on their side that was.

      Marketing is phone calls, footwork, contacts, etc. We'd rather smoke weed and write songs. :)

      Here's my marketing: go check out my band: http://theexperiments.com/ Free music for download.

      See, that's about as much marketing as most bands can do. Now, where's the bong?

      -dave

    2. Re:Marketing versus Distribution. by neo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed. The odd thing is that there isn't really an incentive to create more from owning copyrights. The incentive of artist, it's been my experience, is to create and communicate. It's the distributors that buy the copyrights from the artist who are intent on controlling information as if it were property.

      Most musicians just want people to hear their music. It's about communication, not money. If they can somehow live off the act of creation, then so much the better.

      Market economics breaks when you effectively have an infinite supply of something, but only one supplier.

    3. Re:Marketing versus Distribution. by Gonarat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you look at sucessfull bands that came from the indie scene, either they were good at marketing, or had someone on their side that was.

      Marketing is phone calls, footwork, contacts, etc. We'd rather smoke weed and write songs. :)


      That is what a record label should do. A band should be able to sign up with a label/promoter for a fair cost. Unfortunately the RIAA labels are not this way. Instead of being the Artist's friend, they have turned into greedy little maggots that not only take money from the Artist, but also wants to own their music (copyright). This has worked in the past, but Artists are starting to get wise and use the Internet to get their music out. There are also Independent labels and sites (DMusic.com, CDBaby.com, and Garageband.com) just to name a few that are willing to give the Artist a fair shake.

      Hopefully sites like this will prosper and the big labels will continue to lose business.

      I'll check out your site -- I'm always looking for something new.

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  13. Last FM by CowboyBob500 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Last FM is a great concept. Basically it uses a system similar to Amazon's recommended links. You download their player (don't worry, open source, BSD license, Mac/Linux/Windows) and you type the name of a band in the box. It then streams music the database thinks is similar. You can vote to skip, ban, or love a track.

    When you've done it for a while you'll have your own profile. You can then go and listen to music that your "musical neighbours" are listening to.

    Lots of indie music on there. Lots of everything on there.

    Bob

    (Not affiliated with them)

    1. Re:Last FM by FullCircle · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.last.fm/help/player/

      Interestingly, it has an OSX, Linux static binary, FreeBSD and FreeBSD AMD64 version and QT4 BSD licensed source.

      So is this just late 90's radio? That's what it looks like.

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    2. Re:Last FM by CowboyBob500 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope, it's everything from classical to the latest releases.

      In the player, select "change station", type in a band and listen to similar artists. This updates your profile with the stuff you've listened to.

      Or get the plugin for your favourite MP3 player and it will update your profile as you listen to your MP3s.

      Once you have a decent size profile you'll be able to click on "Start Radio" and choose "Neighbour Radio" which streams stuff that other people who listen to the same kind of music you do have listened to.

      They have other stations on there if you're a subscriber, like being able to listen to your own playlist without having to have your files around.

      Bob

    3. Re:Last FM by humankind · · Score: 3, Funny

      I typed in "Radiohead" and it recommended "Coldplay".

      NO THANKS!

  14. Re:Missing Link? by rhandir · · Score: 5, Informative
    Gotcha right here: http://irate.sourceforge.net/

    Imagine listening to the radio and being able to influence what kind of stuff you hear. Imagine hearing all kinds of things that you've never heard of before. Imagine no "...buffering..."

    iRate does this.

    Oh, and:
    Open source? Check!
    Supports Creative Commons? Check!
    Legal Downloads? Check!
    Runs on Linux? Check!
    Free as in Beer? Check!
    Did I mention no streaming?

    More detail:
    Technical explanation with easy to understand diagram here:
    http://irate.sourceforge.net/
    Site you can send the non-technically inclined to here:
    http://www.irateradio.com/

    "Just click on the executable. No, really, it's safe this time."

    Oh and the guy's name is "ajones". He's a kiwi. Mad props to kiwis.

  15. It isn't just payola by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Between the recent payola scandal and the incursion of Big Radio into podcasting the major labels are pushing hard to monopolize what they can.

    The problems with FM radio go far beyond payola. Music Director's no longer pick songs to play because they thing that the song will be something their listeners will think is cool. Music Director's now rely almost exclusively on what the trade magazines (R&R and Billboard) say is popular. The trade magazines get their information from the bigger stations, which pay consultants to pick out songs
    The consultants are not picking songs because listeners will think it is something new and interesting and might bring in new ears, but rather, they pick songs based on the idea of 'please, please, we can't lose/offend any of our existing listeners.'

    This is a poor business model, as it doesn't bring in new people, and this a big reason radio is losing listeners to the internet.

    Stations that only play 250 songs (1 days worth) on a rotating basis is another.

  16. silly editors. by Madd+Scientist · · Score: 2, Funny
    Is the Net an Independent Artist's New Radio?

    Is this question about 4 years late?

  17. WFMU by jaypaulw · · Score: 3, Informative

    I still like the idea of "DJ" as the one who seaches among the literally thousands of releases (each tuesday in the US) to find the gems. And I like the idea of quality control. And I like the idea of the personality of the DJ being part of that whole experience. And the sort of implied "take my word for it" because in the past they've been right again and again.

    Hence the reason why when it comes to music WFMU is unbeatable.

    It's still teresterial radio, but it's otherwise available on the internet at 128k for free, of course, you should pledge if you like.

  18. shifting tastes.... by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    describes how the Net has shifted his tastes from main stream radio artists to indie acts he discovered online.

        Individual tastes are always shifting. The internet doesn't really have that much to do with it. It all depends on the individual and their mood. This person would have found new music at some other source (the library, perhaps? Or blasting out of car window at a red light?) because they were in the mood for new music.

        Sometimes I go months without listening to anything newer than 1968. I'll run Kazaa for hours searching for obscure pop songs from 1963-1968. It's as if music just stopped in the early 1970's. Others feel the same with perhaps different time periods.

        For music period focus, the internet is invaluable. But for just exposure to different music, it's not the best medium. You need to know nearly exactly what you want before you can find it on the net.

        A better way to get exposure to different music is to become part of drive share. This is where a hard drive (an older one with maybe 30 Gigabytes) is traded for one that is filled with each sharer's favorite music. Each person swaps an old drive with another person. The drives have the other person's favorite music on it. Each person puts only a gigabyte or so of music on it. Eventually you get a hard drive that has the favorite music of 30 different people with each person putting hundreds of minutes of their favorite music on it. No one makes judgement of the other's selections: no one erases the other's partition: no one hassles with so-called copyright issues.

        The old method of music distribution and dissemination is rapidly fading and no realistic model is taking its place. You know that when an industry reaching the point where they trying to put its best customers in jail and extort large amounts of money from them because they can't resolve a pricing issue, the industry is in a lot of trouble.

        I'm finding it all amusing. I especially like the part about how if the 'artists' aren't paid, then they won't produce any more quality product. Like if enough people copy Rod Zombie tracks, he's going to go sell insurance. Or if people don't pay $18 for Pink CDs, she's going to get discouraged and become a network applications engineer. Yeah, right... Popular music 'artists' and stars don't really have much choice about what they do, they are going to continue to do it whether they get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars or not. What the RIAA is really saying is that if people stop paying $18 for junk music, the music company executives will actually have to find some way to justify their huge salaries and perk packages. Heaven forbid! The 'artists' will just go back to whatever shithole that they were discovered from.
        The real issue with the RIAA is whether music can really be bought and sold anymore. The concept that five people playing the same songs as everybody else with slightly different words and chord patterns can go to a recording studio for a week and a hundred million dollars comes to the record company is simply breaking down. It's dependent on a 20th century centrallized media and distribution model. It used to work and work well; it doesn't anymore. Putting people in prison and extorting money from them isn't going to change anything except cause the occasional music industry lawyer to get shot by people who disagree with the concept that they have to pay a fine for being the one in a million singled out by the RIAA to be fined for downloading some stupid inconseqencial pop song.

        Music is like air. Everybody takes it in, puts it back out. It's absurd to claim that somebody wrote a pop or rock song that is basicly the same as the pop and rock songs that have been playing on the radio for the past 40 years. Music is simply part of the environment, no one can realistically claim to 'own' it. It doesn't matter what the law is. This is the new reality.