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Apple To Unveil iPod Cellphone Next Week?

Mictian writes "Apple Computer is planning to hold a major press conference next week (September 7th) in San Francisco and the rumours say that it will be the unveiling of a new iPod cellphone (NYT). The phone would incorporate the popular iTunes software, be built by Motorola and marketed by Cingular Wireless. The companies have declined to confirm or deny the report, which would fit Apple's past pattern of being secretive to maximise the splash on announcement day."

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  1. Yet more rumours by frankthechicken · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nice, but apparently it'll only hold 100 songs. And if that is true, it is not nearly enough capacity to make me switch from carrying both an MP3 player and a mobile.

    1. Re:Yet more rumours by Iriel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True, I have a 60GB iPod and there's no way I'd switch to 100 songs from several thousand, however...

      If Apple's getting anything out of this, they're hoping more people may buy this instead of a Shuffle. ::looks down at cracked screen::
      "cuz like, I need a new phone anyway"

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  2. World turning upside down by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple is releasing an iPod cell phone, while Nokia is releasing a tablet computer with no cell phone capabilities.

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  3. Fantastic! by adamwright · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now I can watch movie clips, read news AND listen to music using my mobile phone. However, every second voice conversation will still run to the lines of "Hello? Hello? Can you hear me? Is this better? Yes? OK...wait, I've lost you. Can you hear me? CAN YOU? I'll call you back. I'LL CALL YOU BACK".

    Fix your damned voice communications before you introduce more junk into handsets. I have a perfectly good MP3 player, but I still lack a useful phone!

    1. Re:Fantastic! by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey! You forgot the camara. God I love that feature!

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    2. Re:Fantastic! by MaestroSartori · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Was gonna mod this, but I decided to reply...

      Motorola actually do make decent phones for talking to people on. My V3 RAZR has excellent clarity and (for me) a decent battery life. It comes with loads of other crap on it that I don't use, yes, including a camera, but it's easily the best mobile I've had (which list includes Nokias, Ericsson both pre and post Sony, and Siemens).

      Most of the time when I get a dodgy-sounding connection, it's the other person's phone or just poor signal. But that isn't the fault of the handset developers, because most people I know have older phones, and live in areas with poor signals.

      I've briefly tried current offerings from Nokia and Sony, and they also seem fairly clear when used in areas of good reception. Where they could definitely be improved, IMO, is that they're often too quiet, and that outside noise leaks in too much. Not sure how they might tackle that, but then I'm just a games programmer. Your mileage may vary, of course, but it does seem like handsets are improving in those core areas as well as the useless attachments...

    3. Re:Fantastic! by j3tt · · Score: 3, Funny

      You should go with Verizon. I remember they went around the country repeatedly checking with the other end - "Can you hear me now?"

    4. Re:Fantastic! by neoform · · Score: 5, Funny

      man, what's with all these people and they're broken xml.. i believe you need to open a tag prior to closing it.. otherwise the parser will just ignore your sarcasm.. i know my brain's parser did.

      *shakes head*

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    5. Re:Fantastic! by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 3, Funny

      Man, what's with all these people and their broken grammar? I believe you need to use "their," not "they're," in your sentence. Otherwise ./'ers with nothing better to do will just make fun of your post. I know I did.

      :-P

  4. iphone.org by hytmal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    maybe FINALLY apple will be taking advantage of the fact that they have ownership of iphone.org ( http://samspade.org/t/whois?a=iphone.org&server=au to&_charset_=UTF-8&btnGo=Whois )

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  5. Re:#1 by Brento · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why Cingular?

    First, they sell Motorola phones, and Motorola partnered with Apple to build it. Also, they're a GSM carrier, and they seem to sell bleeding edge phones a little bit quicker than other carriers. Motorola probably built the first version as GSM because more carriers use that protocol. I love Verizon, but ditched 'em for Cingular because Cingular gets cooler phones faster. Granted, the coverage isn't as good, but hey, geeks love toys.

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  6. Branding by StacyWebb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not really a matter of new technology, but rather a matter of branding. The Apple iTunes name sells. This behavior is being done by many corporations. Virgin started it along with 7-eleven. Next to appear on the scene is Disney Mobile (not making this up). Names sell, so individuals who are dedicated to Apple and it's products will most likley purchase this type of phone/service.

  7. Not a terrible idea by Gadgetfreak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but I'm sure it won't fare nearly as well as the iPod itself. People get tired of their cell phones after a while. Especially when something new and flashy comes out.

    Gadgets really shouldn't require contracts.

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  8. The 2G iPod Shuffle by amichalo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Looks like this ROKR phone is kinda the 2nd Generation iPod Shuffle.
    - It is a small unit with minila but reasonable capacity via Flash
    - Smaller than a pack of gum, more like a piece of gum stuck to your cell phone
    - Now Suffle detractors get their screen and basically a free ride on the battery life of a much larger capacity battery too
    - Still priced at a minimal premium

    I have also read that the software people have seen is a music player only, not iTMS integration for buying tracks, so this will sync with
    - iTunes
    - Address Book
    - Calendar events?
    - To Dos?

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  9. sounds good by flynt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wireless.
    More space than a nomad.
    Sweet.

  10. 100 songs? No way! by jtangen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The advertisement for the event reads: "1,000 songs in your pocket changed everything... Here we go again". Do you really think that Apple would release a phone that holds 100 songs? My bet is a video iPod and iTunes 5 that will provide music video and movie content through the iTunes Music Store.

  11. Re:#1 by amichalo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, they sell Motorola phones, and Motorola partnered with Apple to build it.

    I contend that Apple partnered with Cingular because they are the largest carrier in the US, now that they merged with AT&T, and because Cingular would allow Apple to sell a phone that didn't get it music by buying from an over priced Verizon music store. Sprint, Verizon, etc sell Motorola phones too (yeah, Sprint only sells CDMA Motos) but the GSM carriers will sell whatever they think is gonna bring in the customers.

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  12. Almost there... by lbmouse · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just need to add a PDA, WiFi, 80GB removable HD, 6MP camera w/video, DVR, GPS, and a tissue dispenser... then, "hook it to my veins!"

  13. Say it with me... by jbrelie · · Score: 5, Funny

    iTones.

  14. WiFi equipped iPod only way forward... by Wonderkid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. There is all this speculation over a) A video iPod, yet sales of portable video devices have not taken off, unlike MP3 players before the iPod was first launched. b) An iTunes equipped phone. 2. Here are some things to think about: a) The cell phone / mobile phone networks are in a mess and not global, while WiFi is a global standard. b) The future lies in VoIP. c) The iPod OS contains an address book and a huge hard drive. Therefore, 3. An iPod with built in WiFi would be a global carrier free product and liberate people from the need to use a Mac or PC to purchase/download/sync their tunes and other data, they would simply login to the nearest WiFi network. Syncing with any Mac or PC would be wireless too which would be sweet. 4. Consider that a music playing PHONE is not original, the excellent Sony Ericsson K750i and K800 phones already do this well - and include well reviewed 2MP cameras too. (See http://www.fonebox.com/matrix ) 5. I vote for a wireless iPod as being what Apple SHOULD do, perhaps with a 2MP digicam on the back too.

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    1. Re:WiFi equipped iPod only way forward... by EchoMirage · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wonderkid wrote:
      a) A video iPod, yet sales of portable video devices have not taken off, unlike MP3 players before the iPod was first launched.

      There were [meaningful] MP3 player sales before the iPod? Really? Where? Who had them?

      The cell phone / mobile phone networks are in a mess and not global, while WiFi is a global standard.

      Say it with me: regulations, regulations, regulations. Cell phone networks are a mess and non-global because most countries strictly control which radio frequencies are available to telecom carriers for mobile communications, and many countries license incompatible frequencies. Take something as simple as GSM, for instance. In the United States, GSM is licensed in the 850MHz and 1900MHz bands, while in most of Europe, it's licensed in the 900MHz and 1800MHz bands. Mobile carriers have no control over this: it's the government regulators' decisions. Geographic problems affect network technology also. The U.S. has GSM and CDMA as its major digital technologies; parts of Asia are strongly CDMA, while Europe, Africa, and the Middle East are GSM.

      It also isn't true to say that "WiFi is a global standard." Even with WiFi, some areas of the world (think Japan) regulate some of the bands that WiFi occupies differently than other countries. What is true of WiFi is that there isn't a [strong] competing wireless network technology alongside it, e.g. there isn't the CDMA/GSM division in WiFi. That is, until WiMax takes off.

      The future lies in VoIP.

      Maybe, but that's a more distant future than the next 3-5 years. Decent VoIP transmission requires significant bandwidth; this rules out the cellular network de facto for the next few years. VoIP over WiFi requires something that WiFi lacks: meaningful QoS. Know why you don't see business switching to wireless VoIP by the truckload? QoS. Even without the QoS problem, there are plenty of other still-present deficiencies in WiFi that make it currently unsuitable for VoIP. Security is one of them; we just this year finally got a good, workable, robust wireless security paradigm in the form of 802.11i. So far, I've seen zero wireless VoIP handsets that support WPA2. Most companies won't trust their voice communications to WEP, and rightly so. Conservative estimates give 3 years before 802.11i and its affiliated technologies really bunker down and start to take root.

      Syncing with any Mac or PC would be wireless too which would be sweet.

      Everybody keeps complaining to Apple about not having any wireless options in the iPod. Well, there's a good reason they don't: speed. It takes 10-15 minutes to fill my 4G iPod mini over FireWire; that's with FireWire's 400Mbps non-peak-throughput speeds. Bluetooth 1.x crawls along at about 1Mbps in really good conditions. The best WiFi we have is the 125Mbps "Super G", although actual throughput is only 30-45Mbps at best. Now, let's say that instead of a 4G iPod mini, I have a 60G iPod with color display. How long is it going to take me to fill up my 60G iPod over my 125Mbps WiFi connection? Long enough for me to decide it's not worth it.

      Consider that a music playing PHONE is not original

      It's not done really well by anybody yet, in the same way that MP3 wasn't done well by anybody before the iPod (and with the exception of the iPod, still isn't). Sure, many people can "figure out" the current MP3 phones after significant hassle, in the same way many people could "figure out" the early Rios and Nomads, but like the MP3 player market, sales have shown that when it comes to portable entertainment, the public does not want to be hassled. If you disagree, Apple has a US$4B yearly iPod business for you to argue with.

      perhaps with a 2MP digicam on the back too.

      Apple [fortunately] only does technology that it knows it can do really well. Cameras consist of a lot more than a plastic lens and an OEMed CCD. Apple is very unlikely to get [back] into cameras; there's more in cameras than they know about, and anyway, just about everybody already has a decent (e.g. >2MP) digital camera, plus three or four others in their cell phones, PDAs, shoes, etc. The iPod really doesn't need a camera.

  15. Revolutionary by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I heard the new Apple product would be "revolutionary" and completely new, changing live as we know it and such... a mobile phone/iPod comination will NOT be that.

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  16. Makes my ears BLEED! by Zemplar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine some idiot having ~500 minutes worth of ringtones!

  17. Re:#1 by eunos94 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Plus, by issuing a GSM phone, Apple is open to pretty much the whole world on one phone platform. CDMA is pretty much US only and companies like Verizon, while supporting tech like Bluetooth, only support it in a crippled version that they can fee their customers to death with.

  18. Consider... by Captain+Perspicuous · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Consider...
    • the invitation said "1000 songs, here we go again", so it will probably have 4GB of memory
    • Adding a 4GB harddisk will make the phone look fat (Nokia N91: 160 grams)
    • Apple is rumored to buy up large quantities of RAM
    ...I think it's clear what we will see: a mobile phone with 4GB of integrated memory... drool! :-)
  19. Apple innovates the cellphone? by rocjoe71 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will their new cellphone only have one button, just like their mice? Just kidding...

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    1. Re:Apple innovates the cellphone? by sean23007 · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's going to have no buttons, like the mighty mouse. You just squeeze it in a certain way to start a song, and a different certain way to call people. It's going to be so easy, nobody will be able to figure it out.

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  20. Pictures and specs by visionsofmcskill · · Score: 3, Informative
    Engadget has pics and specs (128mb) from last month, this is a pre-production model they somehow got a hold of, im guessing the real deal will be nicer looking, and probably have a good deal more ram.

    Maybe apple insisted on a click wheel with numbers in it (like touch button rotary... :) )

    http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000887049175/ mod up and share, cheers

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  21. Re:#1 by samdu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From all accounts, it wasn't easy to find ANY carrier to carry the iPhone. Cingular apparently was the first to give in and give it a shot.

  22. Re:you could always.... by rekoil · · Score: 4, Informative

    64kbps is the technical limit of vanilla GPRS. However, T-Mobile is pretty far along with their EDGE rollout in most metro areas - here in Atlanta I have to go outside the perimeter before I lose EDGE coverage. Real-world transfer rates are in the 80-100kbps range almost everywhere I've checked where I have more than one bar. Check this forum for user's reports.

    AFAIK T-Mobile is waiting for the deployment to be completed before they begin marketing the service, but there's not going to be any additional charges for it beyond what they charge for GPRS today. They have just begun to sell the v330, which has EDGE support (I use an unlocked v551).

    As far as T-Mobile's coverage, I will note that the higher-frequency band (they're on 1800 or 1900MHz in the US, Cingular uses 850) does cause the signal to drop out sooner inside buildings than Cingular's - for some reason it happens a lot in supermarkets - due to faster attenuation of higher-frequency signals. But other than that, I don't have problems in metro areas. Rural/suburban areas are a different story, I've heard...