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Blu-Ray To Punish Users for Modifying Hardware
datemenatalie writes "As reported on Engadget, consumers should expect punishment for tinkering with their Blu-ray players, as many have done with current DVD players, for instance to remove regional coding. The new, Internet-connected and secure players will report any "hack" and the device can be disabled remotely. As the article asks, "Are they talking about PVP-OPM techniques and rejected HDMI keys, or something else far more sinister? Because apparently "A hacked player is any player that is doing something it's not supposed to do," which open to a pretty fair amount of interpretation--most of which egregious.""
When we tell kids about a time when it used to be possible for people "own" things.
Savage times, those were.
I think this is where this has to be stopped ... under such conditions everyone will be locked down by DRM and will be puppets to server their master, the corporations ...
But unless all the consumers band together ... I dont see anything else stopping this :-(
"In questions of science the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual."
Pick at Microsoft all you want....I think RIAA and the rest of the entertainment industry are about 100 times worse.
Can someone explaine to me why its not illegal for a company to punish a consumer for tinkering with a product that that consumer had purchased?
And why, if your going to be tinkering in the first place, you don't just remove the internet connection? Does it serve a purpose? Or is it more like the DirectTV systems, making sure your only getting what you paid for?
3 degrees of separation from Vladimir Putin
... before the term was co-opted.
Any tethered, DRM-laden DVD player will be about as successful in the marketplace as a 220-volt rubber duck.
Do they just not care if they sell any of these, or what?
Did NOBODY learn from Betamax? When will the industry learn that the ONLY thing DRM ensures is that the next high density optical disc standard will be whatever China turns out?
Wait a min.. that might be a GOOD thing.
Sometimes I wish I was a plumber, then I'd know how to deal with other people's shit.
They tried this "internet verification" crap with divx players too. Everyone smelled the tremendous stench of "ripoff" and told the salesmen where to stick it. Anything involving internet connection for "verification" engenders some very strong language which quite frankly I don't want to put into slashdot, but even the average consumer will be saying "what the hell, NO!"
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And life goes on everywhere else. Get over it.
I've just bought an XviD-capable DVD player for my TV. I can now watch DVD-quality movies that fit onto a standard 700MB CD-ROM, courtesy of BitTorrent.
AFAIK, Blu-Ray and its equivalent (HD-DVD or whatever) are being developed in order to provide Hi-Definition video and/or longer video per disc.
Why would I want Blu-Ray? As soon as Hi-Def becomes standard (or even before), it'll be available via BitTorrent compressed to less than the size of a standard DVD at HD quality. I can then watch Hi-Def films on my existing hardware.
So if this hack-proof protection is designed to foil copyright infringers, it's going to fail. Copyright infringers will simply use their existing hardware to view Hi-Def on standard DVDs on standard XviD players. Why would we criminals buy Blu-Ray in the first place?
Argh.
WTF this isnt even close to being a troll o_O. God I think the admins just give away modpoints to morons sometimes.
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Nah, it's not ironic, just $'s... region coding is designed to enable Hollywood to sell DVD's for big bucks and first in rich companies and cheaper and later in poorer countries. That way they can maximize their profits from globalization.
Frankly I think they see most of the world market (e.g., China) as a burden rather than a benefit. Especially given the piracy which originates from that front...
As for this Blu-Ray madness, I think it's more a reflection of the corporate schizophrenia of Sony --- you know, that company which is has a big division which sells media content and another big division which sells hardware to play content?
Because as far as I can tell, there is absolutely no way that ANY PC-style computer is going to be able to even come CLOSE to implementing the kinds of "security" features that the Blu-Ray Association has been talking about, without the kinds of OS+hardware-level "DRM" that Microsoft has been promoting a move toward for the last four or five years...
The entertainment industry is running around shooting at people, and Microsoft just happens to be selling them guns
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Refuse to use Blu-ray if they plan on using draconian methods. the competing format is cheaper, and hopefully its custodians will not be as large of assholes.
Viral software licensing is not freedom, it is in fact GNU/Socialism.
Can someone explain why I would have hooked my Blu-Ray player up to the Internet in the first place?
4 Years ago I bought a Sony Clie that still rivals the quality, resolution, of todays PDAs. The problem I had with it was the lack of hacks for it because of how locked down they made it. They didn't make it easy to be hacked and all the software for it was proprietary. They didn't release an SDK or anything. People want to hack their toys. The PSP is hackable and consumers find this kind of intriguing. Although Sony is fighting to lock the consumer out of doing this. I've observed that if people can do more with their toy than what is intended by the manufacturer this usually drives sales. Sony still hasn't figured this out and is setting themselves up to lose the media format war just as how they lost out keeping up in the PDA market(The completely stopped manufacturing their whole PDA line)
Seeing as how they're getting away with this shit, do you people still feel as though we should obey and respect the laws designed to protect them?
I don't.
See, I read stories like this, and regardless how many people tell me I'm wrong, I honestly do feel justification for all the movies I download.
I feel no pity for them. They've done this to themselves, and apparently they haven't learned their lesson.
If they can fuck us, then there's absolutely no reason for us to fuck them harder (ooh dirty).
Just stop buying the DVDs and download them instead. Do your part and fight back since none of us have billions to persuade lawmakers with.
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PC's with DRM, DVD players with DRM....software that gets automatically turned off if you unscrew the case..ect..
Don't the Major players understand that they are creating a market for for the off-brand Korean/Chinese/Asian manufacturers to sell consumer electronics without all this crap?
Unless the U.S. starts seriously inderdicting consumer electronics that don't meet RIAA/MPAA standards people ARE going to buy these things via mailorder from overseas.
The Chinese already don't respect copyright OR patents. What makes them think they will not see this as an opportunity to make money and jump into the market? They already make practically ALL of the components that go into the "Branded" versions that will go to the U.S. It's gunna be trivial for them to duplicate (in quality) a Blue-Ray DVD player without all the DRM crap on it.
Viruses could be expected to come to the rescue. Like one which screws-up the drive so it has to be sent back for warrantee repair. When manufacturers will be swamped with "defective" drives, they will soon throw the towel, either by refusing to fix them (and then pissing-off the customers with that technology) or simply no longer making remote-disablable drives.
"I'm not so enamoured of HD quality that I'm willing to put up with the "Next Generation DIVX" player in my home."
Ditto. I have an HDTV camcorder, I'd love to be able to buy HDTV DVDs, but I'm sure not going to do so if they put this kind of crap on them.
I just don't think the early adopters are going to accept this, and if they don't then Joe Sixpack will continue watching his DVDs. To me this seems to be DAT Mark 2, where a good format is destroyed by stupid 'copy protection' nonsense.
Yes exactly. Now only if you could show how SONY and SAMSUNG are "western brands"?
Mozilla stole tabs from NetCaptor. So what? Right?
While Blu-ray association may provide this as a security option to the Studios to get them aboard the format. Since all this talk about self-destructive players and punishing pirates must be the MPAAs wet dream. However, its a support nightmare for the hardware manufacter. Most hardware manufacters don't directly profit from media content (other than the one's like Sony who own studios), most will likely forgo this feature or water it down due to the flood of technical support calls from enraged owners of their product. With the emergence of cheap Chinese and Taiwanese brands profits from hardware themselves is incredibly small, In reality, I doubt manufacters are willing to deal with potential law-suits, tech-support issues, and angry retailers that get returned players that people tried to hack.
I think your new DVD player will see no reason to play DVDs in that case. Face it, the public will buy this and you will be left in the dark.
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If you just refuse to buy this shit. Encourage everyone you know to boycott Blu-ray. Remember Divx? No not the MPEG-4 compressor but the orignal Divx, the one from Circut City. It was to be the DVD replacement. Take DVD, remove some of the cool features and require people to pay per view. Hollywood couldn't stop drooling on themselves over the PPV idea, and the fact that consumers couldn't sell used discs. All the major studios cast in for Divx and most said they were only doing Divx, no DVD.
Well, an effective consumer boycott was organized. People were informed about how much Divx sucked, and so they didn't buy it. Their VHS tapes were good enough and they stuck with that. In the end, Circut City took a bath to the tune of $100 million and Divx died.
The same can be done here. DVDs are good enough for most people. Those without HDTVs really couldn't give two shits and even for those with, it's not like DVDs are an eyesore. Yes, I'd love to have more HD content, but I don't cry when I have to watch a DVD.
So work to convince consumers you know to boycott Blu-ray, they can keep buying DVDs, just no Blu-ray discs or players. Most importantly, convince the videophiles you know. These are the ones who will spend the money on the inital players that will allow the price to lower for the mass market. If the videophile community decides not to buy it, it'll be a major financial hardhsip.
That's all it will take. The electronics companies are happy to play ball with the media companies when it doesn't affect their bottom line. However if they are producing devices no one will buy, they'll get pissed and stop making them. They are also the ones with the real power, the electronics industry is FAR larger than the entertainment industry.
Maybe people would even start watching Bollywood and Chinese movies released in that format (if you could just get them used to subtitles) :-)
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A HOA isn't a company telling consumers what to do, it's owners voting on what to do. When you are in a neighbourhood with an HOA, you have a vote by owning a house. It's a fairly powerful vote, too, as there usually aren't many houses in a given HOA. Where I live, it's a 1/54th vote. Anything and everything about the contract can be changed by vote, including dissolving the HOA. If you have a problem with the way things are being run, it's easy to talk to the leaders, they are your neighbours. It's also easy to go around and try to rally people to vote how you want, also your neighbours.
The difference here is that consumers have no vote, no control. They are told "Here is how it is and there's nothing you can do." They won't give you your money back for your disabled unit, and since it's disabled you can't sell it, you have no recourse.
I'm not a huge HOA fan, but they really are different. If I have a complaint with my HOA, it's usually not that hard to come to a compramise. If I have a complaint with Sony, they'll tell me to pack sand.
If the transactions are encrypted for each individual player, you wouldn't know from traffic analysis exactly what the player was retrieving. It might be pulling back an applet to test whether it was hacked or not. If the proper response does not come back, you never get another disc key ever again.
This is not to say that the manufacturers aren't likely to screw things up again (or even several more times), but after a few cycles of lockdown and hiring some decent crypto experts they're likely to wind up with something like that.
Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
*Owner* The person that will replace the unit after my son puts his peanut butter sandwhich in the drive.
::giggles:: I've got quite a number of things that need replacing. Care to send a check now, or file for bankruptcy ?
If the answer is "me", you better damn not send a self destruct command to my property.
If the answer is "you" --
Or what about the seriously disabled? They just don't want to work, right? It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that no one in their right mind would ever hire them.
Americans are such monstrous, horrible people.
Cause I'm in Australia.
Yet the dufus in the US can still disable my player because I want to play legally purchased material that happens to be region 1 ?
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Microsoft has been successful in doing exactly this with your Xboxes for years now. No Xbox Live for you Master Tickerer... you modded our Xbox and we don't stand for that. And, people continue to mod their xboxes and play with themselves while others go along with it so they can play in the 'sanitary community' called xbox live.
It'll always be that way - people that want to be different are on the outside looking in in order to exercise their rights to freedom, until, that is, everyone decides to WAKE THE FUCK UP and see what it is we are allowing ourselves to be turned in to... a bunch of servile cattle at the hands of the older generations who don't understand the technology or the issues, yet have the power to decide how the people using it should be treated.
There. I used to be a republican.
For most people, DVD is 'good enough', and that's how the corporations have made a rod for their own backs. It's the same reason why DVD-A and SACD failed miserably to replace CD. The increase in quality is negligible when weighed against the increase in price.
In fact the trend is toward lower quality for increased convenience. For example, people are switching from CD's for audio to MP3's. They PREFER the lower quality if it buys increased conveniece. CD's audio quality is better than good enough for most people! I contend the same applies to DVD's. Many gladly use dvdshrink to fit a double layer DVD's onto a single layer DVD+-R, and will surely compress video to get it onto a media server to have more content available at the touch of a button.
Or maybe that won't even matter, considering no one's going to create movies for your player since it's not DRM enabled.
It may turn out that the only thing the consumer CAN do is not buy. That works great as long as DRM only affects the entertainment market, but what happens when digital control works its way into the more essential parts of life?
"Sorry pal, you can't pay in cash. We only take transactions via human RFID chip implants. What, you don't have one? You know that RFID chip implants are the law right?? You must be a terrorist! I'm calling homeland security!"
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