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Marvel Gets Cash to do 10 Films

jmozena writes "Marvel has raised $525 million to independently finance 10 movies based on its comics over seven years. The titles named are Captain America, The Avengers, Nick Fury, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Cloak & Dagger, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Power Pack and Shang-Chi. The company's also changing its name from Marvel Enterprises to Marvel Entertainment."

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  1. Good Investment by fembots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Based on the statistics, comic-turn-movies are bringing in around $350 millions each after cost.

    It's a pretty safe investment, they just need two good ones to break even, and another 8 crappy ones @ $20m each to have 30% return.

    1. Re:Good Investment by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 4, Funny

      I dunno man... Ant Man? Just not seeing the returns on that one.

    2. Re:Good Investment by ciroknight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Based on SlashStatistics (a general look through the comments), these movies will fail, miserabily.

      The novelty of a comic book movie or a video game movie wears off very quickly, and are often greatly critisized by the true fans of the comic/video game. Yet they keep making these movies because they don't need to put a lot of thought into them; their designers already put their hearts into it and spent their life drawing these characters out in the comic books.

      I will admit, there is an occasional breakout hit: The Matrix, Sin City were amazing, Spiderman was not as bad as it could have been. But it hardly makes up for the disasters they wage in the process (Daredevil, Elektra, The Incredible Hulk, come on).

      It really is evident in the hollywood scheme of things that they have ran out of movie ideas because the corporation is stifling the idealists. People are too busy crunching the numbers on the films instead of spending the money, making it, and learning something from it. Some say Hollywood has matured in this way, but just look at the box offices: Hollywood hasn't matured at all. They're just remaking the same movies over and over, with different names for the characters, different actors, and in different cities.

      I think that's all I can say before I get into a rant..

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    3. Re:Good Investment by ihtagik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Based on past movies based on ants/ant-like creatures/and men with links to said creatures:

      Antz - 170million
      Spider Man - 400million +
      Spider Man II - 250million in 2 weeks

      what's not to see, the better question is how many sequels can we expect!

    4. Re:Good Investment by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Funny

      They're just remaking the same movies over and over, with different names for the characters, different actors, and in different cities.

      Worse in some cases. Sleepless in Seattle and You've Got Mail were basically the same movie but they forgot to replace the same actors! One comment I've heard was "It wasn't as if the Empire State Building collapsed that they needed to make a new one!"

    5. Re:Good Investment by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Still, shouldn't have problem getting $20m. There are people who watch everything-comic, or just couldn't buy seats for their intended movies.

      If that $525M gets split evenly into 10 movies, that means $52.5M goes to Ant Man's production. A $20M take means a $32.5M loss for a movie that probably shouldn't have been made. I'm thinking this will be an Electra but won't have the pull of Jennifer Garner, which, for many, was the only reason to see it.

      I understand your reasoning though, but I don't think it should be treated as a batch-gamble, where they seem to throw piles of money, small ideas and big names at a vat-o-projects and hope a few get a blockbuster.

    6. Re:Good Investment by ErikZ · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's aimed for kids.

      And if you know kids, there's no such thing as "Too many times"

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    7. Re:Good Investment by zakezuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Worse in some cases. Sleepless in Seattle and You've Got Mail were basically the same movie but they forgot to replace the same actors! One comment I've heard was "It wasn't as if the Empire State Building collapsed that they needed to make a new one!"

      Could be worse. A mild mannered Microsoft employee working 100hr weeks gets fed up with all the software piracy. His only resolve is to put on an Ant constume to fight commercial piracy and spams moral messages to all the kids in....

      "You've Got Mail from Sleepless Antman in Seattle"

      Don't copy that floppy!

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    8. Re:Good Investment by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Funny
      I dunno man... Ant Man? Just not seeing the returns on that one.

      Shit, I can come up characters just as good as "Ant Man"! Like Slug Boy, Earwig Lad, Captain Fruit Fly, Dung Beetle Man, Pillbug Woman, and the Amazing Aphid.

      Anyone care to give me $50 million apiece to develop these properties for the big screen?

    9. Re:Good Investment by nunchux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I will admit, there is an occasional breakout hit: The Matrix, Sin City were amazing, Spiderman was not as bad as it could have been. But it hardly makes up for the disasters they wage in the process (Daredevil, Elektra, The Incredible Hulk, come on).

      Superhero movies are a pretty safe bet because they do make their money back, eventually. Even the "failures" you mentioned (Daredevil actually did quite well, BTW) make the cash back in foreign markets and on DVD. And the ones that do well do spectacularly well-- as in, people will see it in the theater, buy the DVD and still watch it on cable.

      And yes the die-hard fans will complain about liberties being taken... But the die-hards are never happy. The superhero genre relies more on the casual fan, those who used to read the books when they were kids, or those who just like superhero movies... And there are a lot more of these people than the die-hards.

      Yet they keep making these movies because they don't need to put a lot of thought into them; their designers already put their hearts into it and spent their life drawing these characters out in the comic books.

      Well, maybe in Sin City's case, or Ghost World, or V is For Vendetta... But come on, there's no heart and soul in Marvel's assembly line. A Marvel comic might have a talented artist or writer pass through every now and again, but that's all they're doing-- passing through. Most of the time it's done by hacks for hire. I don't consider The Fantastic Four to be too sacred for a B-movie adaption.

      It really is evident in the hollywood scheme of things that they have ran out of movie ideas because the corporation is stifling the idealists.

      You think this is something new? There have always been shitty movies. And shitty movie sequels. Superhero movies certainly aren't a new trend, and cheesy sci-fi serials have been made since the thirties. Movies have always been made for the lowest common demoninator, with a few bold talents managing to squeak through (and the same goes for comic books, doubly so.) We tend to forget the crap, so it's easy to say Hollywood is going to hell... But the good-to-crap ratio has been pretty steady for eighty-plus years.

      BTW there are a lot of good movies being made right now, you just have to know where to look. With the advent of cheap DV editing suites, for example, documentaries have never been better.

    10. Re:Good Investment by circusboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the things is, unlike daredevil and elektra which were passed off to secondrate scripters and directors, the Hulk was a brilliant and underappreciated film. of all the comic book movies, it is the one that most closely captured the graphical elements of comic book design since will eisner and walt simonson. the way ang lee manipulated the multiple layers of imagery and time was really brilliant.

      one thing that really makes the hulk a great adaptation of a comic book though is that the writers and director were smart enough to cut rick jones. if there was *ever!* a comic book character that needed to burn in hell, it was rick jones. who managed to be the dippy sidekick to not only the hulk, but captain america and captain marvel too (and the whole bloody avengers team!) oy what a waste of ink!

      I am not a great fan of the Hulk comic book, I was aways in the x-men corner, and while I think the x-men moves are well made and a lot of fun, (more joss whedon dialogue please) and the spider-man movies are very good, the hulk is, I think, a much better piece of art. (of course I prefer batman begins to any of the other batman movies to date too, despite the plot holes.)

      the things that always made the great comics characters, was the real depth of character, and what really made the comics books great, was creators who really believed in and felt for those characters.

      see what kind of rant 3 glasses of wine can start? kids, don't drink and post!

        more (hic) wine!

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    11. Re:Good Investment by unitron · · Score: 4, Funny
      " And it sucked."

      "When I said "He was played by David Hasselhoff.", I thought I had pretty much covered that angle.

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  2. Not Too Much Left by Nimrangul · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone else notice how those are all the second grade comics of Marvel being done? I mean, seriously, who would want to watch a film about Ant-Man?

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    1. Re:Not Too Much Left by gardyloo · · Score: 5, Funny

      I mean, seriously, who would want to watch a film about Ant-Man?

          The studio is obviously hoping that swarms will want to watch.

    2. Re:Not Too Much Left by aztektum · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Those movies you listed may have used characters that are well known, but the characters themselves are some of the weakest.

      DareDevil's biggest claim to fame in the Frank Miller run. They've been doing nothing but trying to recapture that ever since. Kevin Smith's run was "eh" at best.

      Hulk has been a long time icon of The Avengers, but the essence of the character has been so dilluted by now that no one is really sure who the Hulk is. That's not to say making an interesting comic about a green brute who can't talk and has a prediliction toward purple pants is easy.

      Punisher is Punisher. Death Wish with a skull on his chest.

      The problem is these characters don't really have much character to them to begin with. They are constantly being reimagined and reinvented in the comic books.

      When someone says X-Men or Superman, you immediately have this basic feeling of what they are talking about. Almost an essence, which is all you need to capture to make a good movie. The studios are looking to make some fast scratch, but like any movie, making a *good* comic book movie that will bring in the casual audience and the fans requires just as much attention to the character as the special effects. It isn't enough to have them smashing shit up and talking like idiots, people will get sick of that. But if you inject the essence of the character, that part of them that people instantly recognize throughout your 1.5-2 hours, that's when you have a successful movie.

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  3. Beating it to death... by nebaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This has happened before. Right after the initial success of Batman
    the movie studios thought that super-hero movies were the way to go. The resulting movies were not made well.
    They made Captain America once before. As much as I loved the X-Men and Spiderman movies, Fantastic Four was only so-so,
    and bringing back Captain America, they should be careful. Hollywood tends to beat genres to death, wait a while and do it
    all over again.

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  4. Greh by Madsci · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those movies sound terrible. And Hollywood wonders why it's in a slump? You can't make ten of something and have each be interesting/worth $10 in its own right.

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    1. Re:Greh by BewireNomali · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, hollywood uses an interesting model. They pay the bills and produce movies with borrowed money. This includes paying exorbitant salaries of the talent as well as the execs. so there's financial incentive to produce big budget movies... especially for producers, who typically get a percentage of the production budget plus gross participation.

      For example: Miramax last year got an operating budget of $700 million from parent Disney. This pays for Harvey and Bob's salaries and expensive lifestyles, and a lot of the decadence that has evolved from the indie scene. Out of that cash, they make a few films, and acquire a few others. If a profit ensues... good shit. If not, there's always next year. Except, they had like three red years in a row, and Disney axed Bob and Harvey. So Bob and HArvey promptly went to investors and asked for a billion dollars to start the Weinstein Company. Because they got fucked on their exit deal with Miramax - they left with nothing - no library to speak of (anybody in film knows that its a LIBRARY that makes you money - assets that appreciate over time - especially for oscar films, of which miramax had a few) They were laughed out of the room. Now they're begging for 300 million at smaller banks and still getting snickers.

      As far as a producer and film company is concerned - you assume your film will take a loss. the producer and film company makes its revenue in the short term from its advances from parent companies and investors all looking for a spider man or titanic. It's a tenuous system built up in part because the high barriers of entry prevent serious competition.

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  5. before there was monotheism by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    there was demigods and hero worship

    the roman gods and greek gods or the gods of hinduism, for example

    i think there is some sort of psychological sweet spot that superheroes touch in our heads and hearts

    it's a meme that monotheism just can't kill

    sort of ideal representations of who we think we should be or who we wish we were, and the relationships we have with other elements of society, and the struggle with evil... a social and psychological context that some nameless faceless uberentity that is a monotheistic god just can't satisfy in us

    we'll be with superheroes and marvel/dc for a long, long time

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  6. Don't get me wrong, but what? by ReformedExCon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just my impressions of the list:

    Captain America
    Didn't they do this one and it sucked?

    The Avengers
    A facless hero clan. I can't even name a single hero in this group.

    Nick Fury
    I guess because the Punisher movie worked so well...

    Black Panther
    Ah, a hero named after a hyper-racist group. I don't see anything wrong with that.

    Ant-Man
    Honey, I shrunk the superhero!

    Cloak & Dagger
    Not that Cloak was a completely contrived character, or that Dagger wore far too little clothing, but how could this movie possibly be interesting?

    Dr. Strange
    Who?

    Hawkeye
    Ah, Daredevil without charisma, but empowered with a ridiculous costume.

    Power Pack
    Never heard of them.

    Shang-Chi
    Is this like the token Asian guy?

    I think they probably need to stick with their franchise heros and stay away from these B and C-list zeroes.

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    1. Re:Don't get me wrong, but what? by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dr. Strange
      Who?

      Well, if they said they'd make a superhero movie about Dr. Who, I'd probably say, "Dr. Who? Strange."

    2. Re:Don't get me wrong, but what? by jayhawk88 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Captain America
      Didn't they do this one and it sucked?


      They also did Spiderman and FF movies that by all accounts were horrible before the "big" releases. It's not like anyone is not going to go see a summer blockbuster movie because that one time some independant film company in the 70's lucked into a license and the movie sucked.

      The Avengers
      A facless hero clan. I can't even name a single hero in this group.


      Captain America, Thor, Ironman, Hawkeye, Giant Man, The Wasp...Hell if they go really old school Hulk will make an appearance. Yes the Avengers don't have the kind of name recognition the X-Men, FF, or Justice League has, but that's what pre-movie hype is for.

      Nick Fury
      I guess because the Punisher movie worked so well...


      If they go for a Marvel Ultimates Universe style with this movie (which is pretty much what they did with FF), Nick Fury is a black, eye-patch-wearing James Bond ass-kicking character with a suit that allows him to fly and turn invisible. I guarentee you Sam Jackson's publicist is already pimping him for this role.

      Black Panther
      Ah, a hero named after a hyper-racist group. I don't see anything wrong with that.


      Are you posting this from the 1950's? Did someone invent timetravel:// and not tell me? Please, that argument isn't even worth responding to.

      Ant-Man
      Honey, I shrunk the superhero!


      Yeah, and? Those movies did pretty well if I recall; there is a huge movie market aimed at kids these days. I'll admit Ant-Man as serious comic-book movie doesn't sound too appealing, but Marvel has and obviously would love to continue to hit the 8-14 demographic or whatever, perhaps this is part of that?

      Cloak & Dagger
      Not that Cloak was a completely contrived character, or that Dagger wore far too little clothing, but how could this movie possibly be interesting?


      Hmmm...dark, brooding character who is in constant pain, running around fighting crime with an ultra-hottie. Nope, can't think of any demographic that would appeal to!

      Again, this probably isn't the type of movie that you take that seriously, but there is obviously a male teenage demographic to hit with this flick.

      Dr. Strange
      Who?


      Think of Gandalf battling the Balrog in Fellowship, except the Balrog is Dormammu, Lord of all Hell, and Gandalf is Dr. Strange, who can fly around and cast all kinds of CGI-friendly magic spells. And then take it times 10. Strange is all about magic in the MU, and this perhaps has the chance to be the best of the titles if done properly.

      Hawkeye
      Ah, Daredevil without charisma, but empowered with a ridiculous costume.


      Again, if they go the Ultimate Universe route, Hawkey basically looks like Brad Pitt; a super soldier who can use a bow like guys in John Woo movies use pistols. Hardcore action flick potential.

      Power Pack
      Never heard of them.


      Probably another kiddie flick, they were basically a bunch of kid superheros back in the 80's. Honestly this does seem like a strange choice to me, I would guess Marvel is seeing a Spy Kids type thing.

      Shang-Chi
      Is this like the token Asian guy?


      Yeah, because martial arts pictures aren't popular or anything.

      Look, I know most of these movies will probably turn out to be on the level of Elektra or Punisher, but the point is that there is material to work with here. These characters/teams are not as well known to the general public as a Spiderman, Hulk, X-Men or FF, but they do have interesting characters and stories to tell.

    3. Re:Don't get me wrong, but what? by zaren · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just my impressions of the list:

      And my impressions of your impressions :)

      Captain America
      Didn't they do this one and it sucked?


      Yeah, back in 91. A lot of movies sucked back then. As did that one.

      The Avengers
      A facless hero clan. I can't even name a single hero in this group.


      Do you mean the West Coast Avengers? Or the East Coast Avengers? Or the Great Lakes Avengers?

      Now, I'm not surprised that you can't name any of the Avengers, because there have been so many (and even I don't know who's in the teams now). But seriously, their lineup has included:

      Captain America
      Thor
      The Hulk
      The Sub-Mariner
      Iron Man

      And let's not forget Ant-Man, Hawkeye, and the entire Fantastic Four!

      Nick Fury
      I guess because the Punisher movie worked so well...


      Come on, in this day and age, you think a movie about a super-tough anti-terrorist government agent with tons of nifty guns and gadgets (and a floating fortress) isn't going to play?

      Black Panther
      Ah, a hero named after a hyper-racist group. I don't see anything wrong with that.


      Hey, he was a big deal back in the day, leader of his own country as well as a powerful hero.

      Ant-Man
      Honey, I shrunk the superhero!


      Okay, I've gotta go with you on that one. I see little potential to that movie.

      Cloak & Dagger
      Not that Cloak was a completely contrived character, or that Dagger wore far too little clothing, but how could this movie possibly be interesting?


      A bit more modern spin - she the naive and innocent girl from the good side of the tracks, and he the rough and tough gangsta from the mean streets. Mix in some exotic street drugs, some righteous vengeance, and you've got a winner.

      Dr. Strange
      Who?


      Dr. Stephen Strange, the Master Mystic, the Sorcerer Supreme! All sorts of juicy ghost-busting special-effecty opportunities there.

      Hawkeye
      Ah, Daredevil without charisma, but empowered with a ridiculous costume.


      And don't forget the fancy bow and arrow!

      Power Pack
      Never heard of them.


      Nobody did, and more's the shame. Some decent writing effort went into making and managing the characters in that series. It could be a really good kiddie movie.

      Shang-Chi
      Is this like the token Asian guy?


      Could be. And yet, it could be their excuse for a lovely martial arts wire fest.

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  7. You can't top the original Nick Fury by 6502_C64 · · Score: 3, Funny

    In my mind, Nick Fury will always be David Hasselhof

  8. Maybe Marvel Should... by MattW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Focus more on making sure the stuff that comes out based on its IP doesn't suck, and spend less time filing frivolous lawsuits.

  9. As a non-american... by Frogbert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I never really "got" Captain America, I mean I know people can be patriotic and all but a superhero like him seems so lame to me.

    Its like a Politician draping themselves in their countries flag. I mean if someone did something like that in my country, and I'm sure a few have, most people would think they were a tool.

    Really I'm not flaming I just want to know why he is so popular? Did parents find buying a comic for their kids a lot easier when they knew he was fighting for American ideals?

    1. Re:As a non-american... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Informative

      Captain America only works in the context of World War II in Europe. His only "real" enemy was the Red Skull, who was Nazism personified. You have to think of "Cap" as a historical artifact.

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  10. Capital Man by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Funny

    There's No Need To Fear! CAPITAL LETTER Man is Here!

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  11. Screw that by DoctaWatson · · Score: 3, Funny

    I want to see Spiderman 3: Enter the Stilt-Man!

    Why jump the shark when you can step over it with hydraulic lifts?

  12. The Avengers by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Funny
    The Avengers A facless hero clan. I can't even name a single hero in this group.

    Uh, I take it we're not talking about John Steed and Emma Peel?

    There were four good things about that movie. a)the line "How now, Brown Cow?" b)Emma in her catsuit c)her E-type Jaguar, and d)Emma in her catsuit.

  13. Re:New compnay name by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    Huh. Looking at this next batch of superhero flicks I'd say that "Marveloss" would be a more apropos choice.

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  14. Hey, what happened to... by shmlco · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Iron Man.

    And why not the Silver Surfer?

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  15. Captain France? by toupsie · · Score: 3, Funny
    I never really "got" Captain America, I mean I know people can be patriotic and all but a superhero like him seems so lame to me.

    Well, I can completely understand from your perspective. Who would really be interested in Captain France? A guy that dresses up like a croissant, runs away from German bad guys and blames all his problems on Captain America. Would make for a short, annoying movie...

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  16. Re:which sucks less? by GeorgeMcBay · · Score: 5, Funny

    so i'm guessing out of 10 movies maybe 2 won't suck

    There you have it, folks... the most optimistic man in the world.

  17. Re:Bad Films to be followed by Bankruptcy by MavEtJu · · Score: 4, Funny

    I see lots of film flops coming our way in the next seven years.

    It's all caused by piracy! Piracy I tell you!

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  18. Re:All old characters... by GaryPatterson · · Score: 5, Funny

    (somewhere in Hollywood...)

    Exec A:
    "I'm thinking "The Sandman" from those cool comics, only in the movie he's not some skinny guy, but a musclebound hero!"

    Exec B:
    "I'm listening..."

    Exec A:
    "He's got the power of making people sleep, or hallucinate during the day. He fights crime and recharges his magic bag of sleeping dust every night. And his arch-enemy is his own sister, Desire!"

    Exec B:
    "Good twist. What about the love interest?"

    Exec A:
    "Well, his girlfriend is a rock-grrl from New York, street-hip and so marketable. We've got sketches of a clothing line"

    Exec B:
    "I like it. We need to drop some of that touchy-feely crap from the stories. I want action, and long fight sequences. Is that Woo guy available? I'm thinking of a huge fight scene, where the Sandman fights that sister, starting with fists and then getting swords from a wall or something. It'll end with him cutting off her head just when she's about to skewer him. We'll need some special effects though. Do these guys fly?"

    Exec A:
    "They do now!"

    Exec B:
    "Shit we're going to make so much money from this. Maybe there's a sequel, and she's not dead but comes back for revenge. It doesn't matter though."

  19. The PROBLEM with American comics is... by crazyphilman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ever since McCarthyism, they've been focused on ridiculous Superhero/Men In Tights nonsense while the rest of the world has moved on to much more interesting subject matter.

    On top of that, while Japanese Manga have been giving people 150 - 200 pages of black and white comics on cheap paper for ten bucks, DC and Marvel think they can make their comics into "collectibles" and sell 15 readable pages (if you take out the ads) for over four bucks.

    Hmm... Let me see... Top-notch science fiction, 200 pages for ten bucks, with NO ADS, or crappy kiddie "superman" stories at fifteen pages for four bucks... Let me think...

    DC and Marvel just don't get it. They think they're competing with each other, but REALLY, they're competing with Japanese and European companies. And somebody's gonna eat their lunch. Like Masamune Shirow, Mamaru Ooshi, Enki Bilal, Giraud, or Frezzato. People who write INTERESTING, ADULT-LEVEL STORIES that don't involve thinly-disguised magical thinking and wish-fulfillment.

    The American comics industry currently appeals only to little kids and adults who obsess over the current value of (I don't know) Batman #6. The collectibles market is SMALL. The entertainment market, on the other hand, is HUGE.

    Just look at how much bigger Border's manga section is than their superhero section. That'll open your eyes...

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    1. Re:The PROBLEM with American comics is... by TomHandy · · Score: 3, Informative

      You do realize that the American comic industry is larger than just Marvel and DC, right? Certainly they are the lion's share, but there are a ton of independents doing all sorts of interesting things. And frankly, you can find some pretty interesting and different things even from DC and Marvel, or imprints like Vertigo and Wildstorm.

  20. Talk about a poor selection of titles... by Regnard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most of the selected titles can be considered 3rd-tier heroes. Only the Captain America and Doctor Strange movies have a chance of making a good box-office run. While taking relatively unknown heroes does not have the big risk of alienating hard-core fans, I seriously doubt whether Nick Fury or Ant-man can even make a ripple on the casual moviegoers' minds.

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  21. I work for the company that brokered the deal... by flicman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...and I pretty much agree that the slate sucks the way it's laid out. But consider this: Marvel has never before made their own films and had controlling interest in them. They've never had creative control to hire/fire screenwriters or directors, and they've only ever gotten a cut of the profits of the movies they make.

    This deal is important because it brings a new angle to the way movies get made in Hollywood - we created a mini studio out of a defunct has-been of a comic company, and we're going to do it again. All I'm saying is that you can bash the films all you want, but this is a good precedent because it's putting creative control for the first time in the hands of the creators. I know that in this case, there's no one left who helped create Captain America, but from a company standpoint, we're at the source. Who do you think is working on a deal with Image? Those cats aren't so old - there's a very real chance that they'll get to executive produce (at the very least) their own movies like no comic book geek has ever done before.

    Lastly, remember that the slate can (and will) change. I'm hoping that '300' can invigorate the hobbled historical epic genre because the script is good and the concept excellent. Sorry I'm late to the party.

  22. Finding the right director is key by rinkjustice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm hoping Mr.Stan Lee will take a few moments and read this recent article at Salon entitled:
    How to make a superhero movie that doesn't suck

    I particularly agree with rule #1: Find the right director. When I heard Sam Raimi was doing Spider-Man, I knew he was the right guy for the job. He should also get the Dr. Strange film if he's not too busy with S-M#3. However, Raimi would not be right for, say, Captain America. I would give that project to Wes Craven since it seems he's stretching out into action/suspense territory.

    Ah... I could go on for days on this one. Any suggestions anyone?

  23. This is awesome! by Sinner · · Score: 4, Funny

    And by "awesome", I mean that Marvel is going to make 10 superhero movies that will all suck. That's a 100% suckage ratio! That's awesome!

    Can we please go back to making sci-fi movies that suck please? Or how about another Beastmaster?

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  24. Re:yes, my words were a thinly veiled slap by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You've been totally outposted.

    Besides, watch any of these super hero movies for the emotional parts. It's all about generosity, courage, good versus evil, and, most importantly, self sacrifice.

    Gee, could that have come from the Judeo-Christian roots of our society?

    Well, it's almost approaching Odin's Day. I must be getting to bed...

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  25. Re:I think you have it backwards by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 3, Informative

    Trom? Do you mean Rom: Spaceknight? I don't remember a comic or character named Trom, though.

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  26. Re:Captain America x2. by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Informative
    They brought captain america twice already to the screen, same as Punisher.

    Actually, three times. Don't forget the 1944 Republic serial Captain America.

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  27. The American Response by lheal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Cap is less a superhero than a super hero, if you'll pardon the wordplay. His strongest "power" is leadership. His only weapon is a defensive one. He acquired his combat skills fighting in a land war that makes Iraq look like a couple of kids on a playground. His work ethic is unmatched.

    Captain America symbolizes what any one of us could become, if we persevere.

    I was looking at my 42-year-old body the other day, and recalled a Captain America snippet from a 1970's Avengers comic. It showed Cap working out, tirelessly preparing himself for whatever lay ahead. That thought motivates me to work on self-improvement, since you never know what's coming at you next.

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