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TrollTech to IPO?
burninginside writes "Yahoo is reporting that Trolltech, the world's biggest producer of Linux software for mobile devices, may be heading public. 'Sources close to the company' said the move may come as soon as 12 months but the official word is still that it 'is not in our immediate plans.'"
Hmm.. around here troll-techs are usually not seen, as they are below the threashold, but Trolltech is about to go public?
If so, as open source fans, should we buy stock to help ensure that Trolltech doesn't move off the right track?
Bert
Here's a link to another news story with a bit more info: Trolltech
You forgot to mention that TrollTech hired two former Microsoft executives recently -- added them to their board of directors, supposedly to help them go public.
DON'T DO IT!!!!!
He was talking about getting married or something. I don't remember.
But going public has been the ruin of many poor companies, and God knows I've been part of some. It ties you to the stockholders and limits the ways in which you can reasonably spend your capital. It also risks you losing some of your top talent who may just decide that being rich and staying at home is better than sticking around to watch the stock prices fall through the floor while they slave away 12 hours a day.
Trolltech has a very good business model. They sell Qt licenses to embedded device makers (in addition to selling software licenses to desktop application developers). Since Gartner expects devices like cellphones and other devices not normally built with graphical UIs to be overtaken in the coming years by "smart" devices that need a solid GUI, not to mention easily programmable APIs, Trolltech is positioned very well in this area.
But don't go IPO, man. Keep it small, keep it lean, and don't let your eyes glaze over with dollar signs.
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As long as Trolltech continues to make a developer kit so that us less financially inclined can just complile and test software on their platform for free, I will be happy.
I'm having fun with my Zaurus, thanks. Keep the free tools coming!
Hopefully a public float won't mean that the shareholders get greedy and cut off the free stuff in order to profit more. Hopefully these new ex-Microsoft execs quit Microsoft to get away from Microsoft's corporate practices.
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For any of you wondering who Trolltech is and why you would care about them, their biggest claim to fame is that they develop Qt, the GUI used by KDE.
Well, the quality of service has gone down and the price has gone up, so that would fit the IPO speculation.
They're a nice company and have a nice product, but Qt4 isn't quite ready for prime-time yet, and (despite claims to the contrary) they've discontinued support for Qt3 (if your bug doesn't cause a SEGV, it doesn't get fixed). This is not a great situation if you're a paying Trolltech customer and have 100kloc based on Qt3 to support.
And, right now, I'm waiting for a return call from their product folks that was promised "same day" over a week ago...
Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
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Sure, they've fixed a bunch. This is the first release that'll run on OS X 10.4, for instance (so, yes, I've had production releases of my code using pre-release snapshots of Qt3.3.5, as Qt 3.3.4 doesn't run on Tiger).
But if you report a bug to TrollTech - and I'm talking some fairly serious bugs, like, say, QTabBar fails horribly in QAquaStyle or drawing chords doesn't work at all or docked widgets cannot be resized to smaller than 245 pixels high or... - then you'll be told "It'll be fixed in Qt 4.1". When pressed they'll tell you that their policy is not to fix anything other than critical bugs in Qt3.
Showstopper bugs in Qt3 are not even being worked on, let alone fixed. The stock answer is "it'll be fixed in a future release of Qt4". Quite apart from the rewrite needed to move from Qt3 to Qt4 not being trivial, Qt4 doesn't work yet. The latest release I have of Qt4 on my Mac... well... the included tools don't work, let alone the libraries. Assistant has appalling focus problems, such that the Index box doesn't work at all, just as one example.
(To be fair, I suspect that Windows and Linux users have a better situation, as Qt3 for those platforms is more mature than Qt3 for OS X - but given I'm paying for a TrioPack license I expect all three platforms to be supported).
Once Qt4 is finished it'll be nice, but the currently available versions are early-beta quality, at best. And developers using Qt3 are being told that bugs will not be fixed, ever, and they should migrate to Qt4, where the bugs will be fixed eventually.
I'd buy shares from them. They sell a quality product for a reasonable price.
But I'd prefer Trolltech to stay private as it is now. The reason being, if I remember correctly, their employees own more than half of the actions, I thing over the 70% even. That sounds good, because the ones that do the work have a reason to worry for doing it good. If that has anything to do with their current quality I don't want to see this changing.
That's not even comparing apples and oranges - that's comparing cars, toasters and computers.
Let's get this straight. C++ is a programming language (and it's standard library). Java is a programming language, a standard library and a virtual machine. .net is a framework that can be used by several very different languages.
> You can just feel the object oriented speed penalty in both kde and trolltech windows, compared gtk or win32 api c.
Sure. What about comparing programs that actually do the same instead of some that just somehow look similar? There is no such thing as an "object oriented speed penalty". OOP is a way of doing things that's often used even in languages that don't support it. OOP languages just provide some help and eye candy for doing things the OO way. Your beloved gtk API is definitely object oriented. If you don't believe me (and can't see it from the API), just check http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/gtk.htm l and read: "GTK+ has a C-based object-oriented architecture that allows for maximum flexibility.".
This "oop is bad" example is just ridiculous and has nothing to do with the actual experience in any OO language. The opposite is true. Normally you have something like:
... and still don't have any reasonable error handling, which makes the code much worse readable.In an OO language with operator overloading you would get: result = Tsomething(specification) + TSomething(otherSpecification)
About your "suggestion" to use C as an intermediate language - good morning, there are things that can't (or can only with a some performance hit) be translated into C.
Praising BASIC really is an evil idea. You should't expose novice programmers to this pest when there are so much cleaner languages around which make it harder to write spaghetti code and shoot yourself in the foot than BASIC. For example, you already mentioned Python.
By the way, good morning, Java bytecode does not have to run interpreted. There are both available: Just in time compilers and ordinary compilers.
Perhaps you should also notice that C++ is not an object oriented language. Java is. C++ just allows you to do OOP. Or ordinary imperative programming. Or generic programming. Or mix them all.
Reading your comment once again I really get the impression I am just feeding a troll. Perhaps you are not, but I just can't let it uncommented as "insightful" when you obviously don't know what you are talking about.
ermmm. Qt is already GPL'd.
Not necessarily. The old owners (in this case: mostly TT-employees) could still hold majority of the shares. You do not have to sell all your shares, you could just sell some shares.
Previous version of Qt would get re-licensed under BSD-license, as per agreement between KDE and TT. Also, KDE_folks (and anyone else interested) would pick up the lates free version of Qt, and start working on it. So there would be to Qt's: the commercial Qt provided by TT available on Mac/Windows only, and free-software Qt, developed by KDE and others, available for Linux, Mac and Windows.
If TT did what you fear, those proprietary applications would do just fine. In fact, they would flourish, since Qt would be under the BSD-license. That said, I don't care about proprietary apps. I find it strange that people are pushing free software. But when Qt and TrollTech is concered, those same people get their panties in a bunch because you can't write proprietary apps with it for free. Tough luck I say. Why don't you also whine because you can't take Linux-kernel and turn it in to something proprietary?
Huh? The toolkit is GPL'ed! I really can't believe when I see people whine because some piece of software is licensed under the GPL! I can see why someone would complain when some sofdtware is proprietary and you are dependant on it, but this is GPL'ed software! But if you don't like it, go use GTK+ and Gnome. No-one is stopping you.
Since when did free software and Linux turn from being about *gasp* free software, in to "we must satisfy the whims of companies who want to write proprietary software!". With attitude like that, why don't you people just stick to Windows?
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That bloat example is just plain idiotic.
The 'NORMAL' example is simplistic, and the 'BLOATED' example is contrived. You can demonstrate exactly the same level of bloat and simplicity for that exact operation in any language, object oriented or not.
assuming the 'normal' example is BASIC, which it most looks like, then A and B are numbers - primitives, then the java example is actually
System.out.println(a + b);
Or a C++ example is
cout << (a + b);
Now, lets say that a and b are _not_ primitives, what if they're a complex type of some description.
In C++ the example would remain:
cout << (a + b);
In java, it would most likely be:
System.out.println(a.add(b));
What would it be in BASIC, or C?
most likely it'd be something like -
complex_type_add(a, b);
a_string = complex_type_to_string(a);
printf("%s\n", a_string);
free(a_string);
Object oriented programming adds a _little_ bloat to simplistic cases, but greatly simplifies complex cases.
If you believe that it inherently causes bloat, then you're never planning to move beyond "Hello, World".
and yes, IHBT.
Advanced users are users too!
Only if they also release their software. If you only use the software internally you can be both GPL and closed source.
Because TT created the toolkit, and KDE decided to use it in their desktop? And since TT created the toolkit, they have the right to license it as they see fit?
What? you have to pay TT in order to use their GPL'ed toolkit? That's news to me! Here I have been deluding myself that you can freely use GPL'ed stuff without having to pay anyone one dime. I know that the KDE-folks don't pay any money to TT, so I guess we should turn them in? My Linux-distro is GPL'ed as well, yet I didn't pay one dime for it. I guess I'm a pirate or something....
Oh, you are talking about using the toolkit for proprietary developement? So what gives them the right to charge money for it? Ummmm, the fact that THEY CREATED THE FUCKING TOOLKIT AND THEY THEREFORE HAVE THE RIGHT TO LICENSE IT AS THEY SEE FIT? If you don't want to pay for it, then DON'T USE IT! Seriously, this is not rocket-science!!
Uh, it's already under the GPL, you fucking asshat. Only thing KDE and others care is that is the toolkit available to them as free software. And it is. it doesn't matter to them at all if TT also sell the toolkit under a different license. It's not relevant to KDE at all, they care about the Qt they use.
Am I going to tell TT not to sell Qt? Of course not! I don't care if they sell it, since it has exactly zero relevance to me. I care about the free version of the toolkit. if TT decides to sell is under a different license as well, more power to them! That doesn't take away from KDE in any shape or form.
Like I said, you are NOT forced to use Qt. Don't like it's license? Fine, use something else and quit your moronic whining. TT is under no obligation to satisfy your whims.
What makes you think that you have somekind of god-given right to use Qt in any way you choose? I mean, you have lots of toolkits at your disposal. You can freely choose to use any of them. Then why this tirade against Qt? Since you are not forced to use it, then surely it's not your problem how they decide to license their toolkit? just use some other toolkit and be done with it.
or do you also want a pony and whine when you are not given one?
Yet many people use Qt for their developement-tasks. why is that? But hey, if what you are saying is true, then TT is surely on it's way to destruction, right? I mean, why would anyone pay one dime for Qt? But the strange thing is that many companies DO pay for Qt! Strange, huh? I guess they see some value in it which makes it worth the money?
Funny, considering that it's you who is making moronic comments and demands. you seem to be on a Jihad to force others to give you more free stuff, which you could use to earn lots of money.
What "hypocrisy" are you talking about here?
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Oh, and TrollTech doesn't really belong in the Linux category, either. They've been around since before Linus, let alone before Linux.
TrollTech was founded in 1994, while Linux was released in 1991. Linus himself was released in 1969, proving you wrong on all counts.
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see, here's the problem:
You are expecting Unix developers to care one bit about the smallest Unix market segment there is. And one that has so much other stuff jammed into it, that not even God knows where your issues are.
If the problems amongst the software were as bad as you say they are, do you think there'd even BE a Mac release? From what you're talking , not a single part of it functions.. so, either grab the source, and get to work, or figure out where the problem on your system is, since i doubt it's shared by everyone.
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