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New IBM Ultra Fast Printer

avxo writes "CNN/Money is reporting on a new IBM printer, that can print Tolstoy's "War and Peace" in less than a minute, by delegating pagination to a separate unit." Fully loaded it runs a million bucks. Plus the 330 pages it can print in a single minute is probably triple the pages I printed so far in 2005. I'm probably not the target audience *grin*

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  1. Sure it can print out 330 pages a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    But can YOU change ink that fast?

    1. Re:Sure it can print out 330 pages a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      nevermind the ink, you have to feed it whole trees.

    2. Re:Sure it can print out 330 pages a minute by johnw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not as funny a question as it might sound.

      I recall watching a similarly fast printer (printing phone bills in a Milan telephone exchange as it happens) and keeping it supplied with paper was a full time job for two people. The paper was effectively ordinary fanfold in the usual size of boxes. One person was continually glueing a new box onto the input end whilst another removed box-sized chunks from the other end. The machine was too fast for the paper to re-stack under gravity, so flappy paddle things pushed it down into a stack and an automatic guillotine cut off the stack when it reached a suitable size.

      It would have made my code listings a lot faster, but I wasn't allowed to use it.

      John

    3. Re:Sure it can print out 330 pages a minute by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 4, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, people telling In Soviet Russia jokes are taken out and shot in the town square.

  2. head spinning by Prophetic_Truth · · Score: 4, Funny

    can print Tolstoy's "War and Peace" in less than a minute........Plus the 330 pages it can print in a single minute is probably triple the pages I printed so far in 2005.

    War and Peace was only 330 pages?

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    1. Re:head spinning by RevengeOfPoopJuggler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since nobody reads literature anymore, would anyone really notice those 1000 missing pages?

    2. Re:head spinning by cms108 · · Score: 5, Informative
      yep... 330 pages per minute would be a bit crap if you'd paid a million quid for a printer.


      but from the article... "Print at up to 330 linear feet (100.6 m) per minute (1,440 2-up duplex letter impressions or 1,354 2-up A4 duplex impressions)"


      so it actually prints at 330 feet per minute... which works out at about 1440 pages per minute. which is a bit better.

    3. Re:head spinning by brother+bloat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      330 feet / minute * 12 inches / foot = 3960 inches / minute

      3960 inches / minute / 11 inches / page = 360 pages / minute.

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  3. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  4. So much for the paperless office by gelfling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Weren't we all promised that at the dawn of computing?

    1. Re:So much for the paperless office by woah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What people haven't realised when making these predictions is that printing technology would evolve in similar fashion and at similar rate as computing.

    2. Re:So much for the paperless office by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 4, Funny

      So? Don't you think an office is going to run out of paper pretty fast using this baby? There you go!

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    3. Re:So much for the paperless office by owlstead · · Score: 2, Informative

      Paper has very nice properties:
      - very fine print
      - colour possible
      - reads easily, even in low light / from an angle
      - bends pretty easily
      - rather light
      - pretty cheap
      - works with a variety of pens etc.
      - available in any size

      And also a few less favourable:
      - environmental problems
      - difficult to convert to digital (OCR is not that good, and scanning every page is time-consuming)
      - difficult to sort/search
      - it's only light in small quantities
      - difficult to destroy (completely)
      - not so good with water
      - slow to transport.

      The end of the paper era will only come if there is a digital equivalent to paper. I can see a letter sized map with e-Ink/flash/bluetooth succeed eventually to take over a small part of the market. It should at least be able to do the things paper does well, and then add some.

      Currently the paperless office only exists on PC's and maybe organizers/cell phones. These devices do have some properties that set them off against the unfavourable parts about paper. But they do not compete on readability, size, weight, cost. As long as this is the case, the paperless office is just a dream.

  5. oh goody by rootofevil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From TFA:

      Cooper said IBM sees growth opportunities in large-capacity printing as marketers increasingly use direct mail to target customers. "Mail remains a very good way to market your business," he said, because consumers are overwhelmed by unsolicited e-mails, or spam, and don't like getting called by telemarketers.

    Tis a shame that IBM is going to be marketing this printer for evil. I get enough junk mail, and the forests of our planet dont need anothe reason to be cut down.

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    1. Re:oh goody by Psiren · · Score: 5, Funny

      I get enough junk mail, and the forests of our planet dont need anothe reason to be cut down.

      You're right of course. Maybe if they could find some other way to send out this marketing material. Some means of sending it electronically perhaps...

    2. Re:oh goody by AnomaliesAndrew · · Score: 5, Informative

      I work at a junkmail factory (as an in-house enterprise solution developer). We produce, personalize, and mail between 6 and 9 million pieces of mail every day of the year. We're already using "outdated" multi-color inkjet technology that prints over 1000ft per minute at over 3ft wide and it works great. We have like 6 of these machines and they cost only like $100,000 each.

      I didn't RTFA, but this seems almost as silly as Goodyear anncouncing they've developed a new "fossil fuel internal combustion powerwed 4-wheeled personnel carrier" for $90,000 when there's already been cars on the market for years at ~$15,000.

      Nothing to see here. I'm serious.

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    3. Re:oh goody by Bastian · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, you can always use your unsolicited mail from some companies to harass other companies by stuffing it into the pre-paid envelopes they like to send you.

    4. Re:oh goody by bombadier_beetle · · Score: 4, Funny

      I work at a junkmail factory

      Die. I didn't RTFA, but

      Die, die, DIE!

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    5. Re:oh goody by AnomaliesAndrew · · Score: 2, Funny

      :-D

      Hey, I actually get about 4 of our "product" every week myself. I throw them all away immediately, unless there's damage to it (like the flap didn't stay closed) -- then I take them into our QC dept. I hate junk mail just as much as the next guy. I can't even get my name off the lists. I'd say at the very least, 10% of your mainstream magazine subscription solicitations, credit card applications, and additional financial services (like unemployment protection or credit rating protection w/e) come from my company. I know, it's sad. But I gotta make a living.

      I really don't have much to do with the junkmail itself -- I just write inventory and invoicing and management software for them, and bridge third party applications into the mix, making it all more efficient. I consider myself about as guilty of as an iron ore miner is in the gun industry.

      I can handle the junkmail. Having to deal with USPS employees every day... that's a completely different story.

      -@

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  6. FYI by IamGarageGuy+2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is IBM's foray into the market that is dominated by the Xerox Docutech's. The Printing industry is moving toward Print on Demand. The concept is instead of a run of ten thousand books, it will print a single book as opposed to setting up a traditional printing press with minimum run lengths.

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    1. Re:FYI by perky · · Score: 4, Informative

      RTFA.

      IBM last year was the market leader with a 49.6 percent share, followed by Oce (Research), based in the Netherlands., with 43.8 percent, according to InfoTrends.

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  7. War and Peace by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Informative

    War and Peace is 365 chapters and 1500 pages long.

    On this 330 p/m printer will take about 5 minutes to print.

    1. Re:War and Peace by ZakuSage · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're not taking the page size into account. Surely they used 8" x 11" rather then small novel sized pages.

    2. Re:War and Peace by stevesliva · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to IBM that's feet, not pages, and it prints duplex: "Print at up to 330 linear feet (100.6 m) per minute (1,440 2-up duplex letter impressions or 1,354 2-up A4 duplex impressions)."

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  8. Re:Paperless office by LennyDotCom · · Score: 4, Informative

    And great news for rainforests, too.

    They don't use rainforrests for making paper. The biggest problem the rainforrests face is burning to make farms and grazing land.

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  9. Re:But.... by p0ppe · · Score: 5, Informative
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  10. Maybe it's just me, but... by DarkVader · · Score: 3, Insightful

    wouldn't it be more cost-effective to use a bank of 10 33ppm printers?

    You get your output just as fast, initial cost is lower, maintenance cost is likely to be lower, and if you get a failure on one unit, you're only down 10% of your printing capacity, instead of 100% of your printing capacity.

  11. Printers these fast are very dangerous. by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Printers these fast are often quite dangerous. A mistake can often be very costly and disruptive.

    For instance, we had a new coder working on one of our projects. We had an array of fast laserjet printers, but even then they were nowhere near this fast. In any case, our new coder somehow managed to dump our entire codebase out to the printers. So out go 15 million lines of COBOL and C to our array of printers.

    The coder doesn't realize what is happening at first. We estimated that about 200000 sheets of paper were printed before he got a call from the printing room asking him if there was a problem. After realizing that there was, and being unable to cancel the print job, he was at a loss. They couldn't just pull the plug on the printer array, as it'd take a day just to get the system back online. Eventually somebody was able to stop it, but it wasn't until after nearly 600000 sheets of paper had been wasted.

    Indeed, printers these fast can be extremely useful, but when massive amounts of data are accidentally printed on them, the paper (and thus financial) losses can be extreme.

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    1. Re:Printers these fast are very dangerous. by stienman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Print admins should have had a process in place to place jobs that required more than an estimated 500 pages into an administrative approval queue.

      They probably do now...

      -Adam

    2. Re:Printers these fast are very dangerous. by nganju · · Score: 3, Interesting


      15 million lines of code / 600,000 sheets = 25 lines per page? And you're saying the job wasn't even complete at 600,000 pages, so supposedly there were even fewer lines per page?

      Either your font size was ridiculous or you need to check your math.

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    3. Re:Printers these fast are very dangerous. by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Informative
      Depends on whether, for example, a line consisting of
      {
      is counted as a line of code or not.
  12. Back before my day by jmichaelg · · Score: 5, Funny
    Back in the mid 60's my brother-in-law was in Naval Intelligence and got a plum posting at Pearl Harbor. They had an IBM line printer that churned out paper by printing entire lines at a time. The printer had a row of 132 wheels and each wheel had each character the printer could strike. To print an "A" in column 5, the 5th wheel would spin until an "A" was opposite the paper. When all 132 wheels were ready, the whole row of wheels would strike the paper. As you might imagine, it made quite a racket.

    Some naval geeks realized you could get it to play tunes by adjusting what it print to hit various notes and slewing various amounts of paper for tempo. Intelligence people tend to be musically inclined and these geeks were no exception. Lord knows how many hours they invested in tuning their instrument but word came down that an admiral was going to tour the computer room. When he walked in, they started up their synth and the printer started belting out Anchors Away. The admiral was suitably impressed. My brother-in-law was relieved the admiral didn't inspect the back of the printer where the output stack was because the paper didn't fold properly and as a result, paper was strewn all over.

    1. Re:Back before my day by stevelinton · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I suspect you're describing a standard line printer. We had one of these at my secondary school. It's not quite as you put it. There is a solid drum, with 132 copies of every character. On the other side of the paper is an array of 132 flat hammers. Somewhere there is a ribbon as wide as the paper with ink on it. Now to print an A in column 5 you wait until the A's (132 of them) are next to the paper and the fire the hammer in column five (and any other column that needs an A). A moment later you fire all the hammers for Bs and so on. Once every drum rotation you move the paper on. It was very noisy and also very prone to catch fire.

  13. VT used to have an IBM printer way faster... by monkeyboy87 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I remember in the early 90's Virginia Tech used to have some sort of IBM printer (pre lexmark) that could print staggering amounts paper. I remember them talking about skids of paper/min or hour. it looked more like a newspaper press with a big ole stream of paper and a bunch of scary knives at the end to do the paginagation. I remember the damn thing ate paper so fast that it had its own loading dock where the skids of paper were pushed off the back of the truck waiting to be consumed by the beast.

  14. A Printer for Google Boys by Sundroid · · Score: 2, Funny

    This CNN article also says that the new IBM printer will lighten your wallet by $1 million dollars, although you can buy a "cheap starter" model for $500,000.

    There is a report at Silicon Beat (http://www.siliconbeat.com/entries/2005/09/09/my_ jets_pretty_big_how_big_is_yours.html) that says the Google founders, Sergey Brin and Larry Page, are buying a Boeing 767 jet for their personal transportation. Perhaps they can install this printer on board to print their own Google Library books.

  15. Not 330 pages per minute by cms108 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From the IBM website.


    "Print at up to 330 linear feet (100.6 m) per minute (1,440 2-up duplex letter impressions or 1,354 2-up A4 duplex impressions)"


    So doesn't that work out at 2,880 pages per minute?

  16. pulp friction by moviepig.com · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...the 330 pages it can print in a single minute...

    Called the Termite 2000, it can conveniently be backed-up against any nearby forest...

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  17. Re:Paperless office by Moloch666 · · Score: 4, Informative

    To add to that. They actually grow tree farms for the purpose of making paper. Because of paper we have more trees.

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  18. Re:Maybe it's just me, but... by back_pages · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yes, yes, and one of these to combine the resulting 10 stacks of paper! Brilliant plan!

    (Ok, so I'm being a smart ass, but seriously, how would you combine the output from 10 printers efficiently?)

    This is also interesting to me because it's not uncommon for me to print 500 pages in a single day, and I share a printer with ~35 similar people. There's nothing worse than waiting 25 minutes for someone else's 500 pages to print.

  19. Reading the comments... by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Informative

    It sounds like there aren't a lot of /.ers that have worked in big iron shops. The replies to this article seems to have more inaccuracies than most.

    The 4100 seems to be part of the evolution for "big iron" laser printers starting with the 3800. These printers started out being centralized printers to reduce cost per page for large organizations AND for billing organizations.

    After the 1980s, I don't think a lot were sold to IT ("IS" at the time) organizations because having a single printer and distributing its output to different locations throughout a building is slow, expensive and time consuming - all the things using them was supposed to eliminate.

    Where the printers really made their niche was generating bills for various organizations. The advantage of a laser printer over traditional printers was that traditional printers used pre-printed forms which were more expensive and had to be precisely lined up for the billing information to show up in the appropriate locations. The advantage of a laser printer in this application is that it can print all the background information, logos, terms and conditions, etc. just as quickly as a traditional printer just put in the differing information but at a much lower cost.

    The 3800 and subsequent printers were/are the industry standard for these applications - very little of their output actually comes into the office except in the form of invoices from other companies.

    When IBM spun off its printer division (known as "LexMark"), they did not sell of the big iron printers. They make a ton of money for IBM and also drive other purchases for IBM hardware.

    It's probably more difficult now to see these monsters in action, but if you get the chance you should take a look - they are amazing. The old 3800s could print an entire 10" high box of 8.5 by 11 fanfold paper in just a few minutes and while cutting the paper appropriately. The "high end" models mentioned probably have letter stuffing hardware so the final output is a nice neat stack of bills all ready for shipment to the post office.

    myke

  20. Re:Maybe it's just me, but... by jonbryce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you need to combine them?

    Think of a bank producing bank statements, as long as all the pages for one customer come out the same machine, it doesn't matter that the statement for another customer is sitting on the out tray at the other side of the room.

  21. Typical Printer Business Model by neildiamond · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oooh they lure you in with a cheap printer and THEN nail you with the ink/toner costs.

    Oh yeah IBM... I'm gonna buy your $500,000 printer and then go to a 3rd party toner provider!
    That'll show you!

  22. Re:Maybe it's just me, but... by way2trivial · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Um, print the first 50 pages on printer #1
    print the 2nd 50 on printer #2
    etc-- when done, put output from printer#1 on top of output from printer #2

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  23. Printer's not 330 ppm, its 330 FEET PER MINUTE... by Hollinger · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hey everyone, the printer's not 330 pages per minute; its 330 feet per minute. Please see http://www.printers.ibm.com/internet/wwsites.nsf/v wwebpublished/4100home_ww.

    Quoting IBM: Print at up to 330 linear feet (100.6 m) per minute (1,440 2-up duplex letter impressions or 1,354 2-up A4 duplex impressions).

    I had a discussion with a friend that works in that division on Friday when this machine was announced. Apparently, 330 pages per minute was done about 30 years ago according to him (I have no idea what model, when it was, or anything else). Whoever wrote the initial story assumed whoever wrote the press release goofed and wrote feet when they obviously meant pages. ;-)

    This model of printer is designed to print on a roll of paper which is approximately 19.5" wide. The roll is then cut and collated by other machines.

    ~ Mike

  24. Ouch... by TheLink · · Score: 3, Funny

    Death by papercuts...

    Double plus ungood.

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  25. lol omg by Goaway · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "*grin*"? What is this, an AOL chatroom?

  26. Re:Whats the ink cost? by Hollinger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hey, remember this is IBM, not HP or Lexmark. :-)

    As I posted earlier, its a 1440 ppm printer:
    Print at up to 330 linear feet (100.6 m) per minute (1,440 2-up duplex letter impressions or 1,354 2-up A4 duplex impressions). - IBM

    That works out to be about 4.364 pages per foot. With that in mind, the cheapest box of toner costs $437.48, according to the supplies page. That carton contains 4 cassettes, each of which is capable of 100,000 feet.
    4 x 100,000 x 4.364 = 1,745,600 pages @ $437.48 in toner, or $0.00025 per page. :-)

    Of course, that fails to include other consumables, all of which I imagine are important, but I'm replying to a joke poster so I'm sure you all get my point and simply don't care. ;-)

    ~ Mike

  27. Famous quote! by spineboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    To err is human, but to really fsck up requires a computer.

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  28. Re:Paperless office by TheWickedKingJeremy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Despite the fact that some (not all) of trees used for paper-making comes from tree farms, there are still problems with the paper industry as a whole. Here are a few paragraphs from an, IMO, interesting article:

    Paper Made from Timber

    Think bundling your newspapers is "messy"? Not when compared with the process of making paper from virgin timber. While modern paper recycling mills can be designed to operate without producing any hazardous air or water pollution and virtually no hazardous wastes,[16] the virgin pulp and paper industry is one of the world's largest generators of toxic air pollutants, surface water pollution, sludge, and solid wastes. A recent assessment of the virgin timber-based papermaking industry concluded that reducing hazardous discharges at paper mills worldwide to safe levels would cost $27 billion.[17] Indeed, the timber industry has in all likelihood wiped out more habitat and more species per unit of production than has any other industry. Most Americans associate virgin paper mills with both the destruction of resident-species habitat and the contamination of streams and rivers with chlorinated dioxins and other pollutants. But the fact is these mills are also major sources of a wide variety of hazardous air and water pollutants, odors, solid waste, contaminated sludge, and water discoloring agents. Besides their well known, often unbearable emissions of sulfur compounds (causing an odor resembling rotten eggs), pulp and paper mills are classified under U.S. federal law as generators of "significant quantities of Hazardous Air Pollutants (HAPs) chlorinated and non-chlorinated. Some of these pollutants are considered to be carcinogenic, and all can cause toxic health effects following exposure. Most of the organic HAPs emitted from this industry also are classified as volatile organic compounds which participate in photochemical reactions in the atmosphere to produce ozone, a contributor to photochemical smog."[18]

    Moreover, the virgin "pulp and paper industry is the largest industrial process water user in the United States. Approximately 1,551 billion gallons of wastewater are generated annually by pulp, paper, and paperboard manufacturers."[19] Water pollutants contained in these billions of gallons discharged into streams, rivers, and lakes by virgin paper manufacturers include a wide range of hazardous and conventional pollutants as well as volatile organic compounds, including chlorinated dioxins and furans, chloroform, absorbable organic halides [AOX], methylene chloride, trichlorophenols, and pentachlorophenols.[20]

    Processing rigid stands of timber into flexible, printable, smooth, glossy (or absorbent) paper requires an intensive chemical and mechanical effort after a tree is harvested. Once roads have been cut into the forest to get to the timber, it is transported to the mill, stockpiled, debarked, chipped, "cooked" in vats of chemicals, and turned into pulp and bleached mechanically and chemically. Then the pulp must be turned into paper or dried and shipped off to another mill. While paper can be recycled even at very large mills using fewer than a dozen nonhazardous chemicals and bleaching solutions that contain, for example, 99.5 percent water and 0.5 percent hydrogen peroxide (a concentration more diluted than the peroxide in your medicine cabinet),[21] most virgin pulp and paper is made using literally hundreds of highly corrosive and hazardous chemicals, including chlorine. As the EPA has documented, this presents enormous problems in reducing pollution from virgin paper mills because "elimination of dioxin, furan, chlorinated phenolics, and other chlorinated organics [can]...not be achieved unless all forms of chlorine-based bleaching are eliminated."[22] This is not expected to happen in the United States for quite some time. In addition, not all of the toxic pollutants discharged in the wastewater produced by virgin pulp and paper mills are currently regulated by the Environmental Protection Agency, including certain congeners of dioxin and furans and a range of chlorinated phenols.

    Here is the source article.

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