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Camera Phone As High-precision Scanner

christchurch writes "The software, developed by NEC and the Nara Institute of Science and Technology (NAIST) in Japan, goes further than existing cellphone camera technology by allowing entire documents to be scanned simply by sweeping the phone across the page. As reported, an A4 sized page takes only 3 to 5 seconds to scan, and it is causing copyright concerns."

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  1. Copyright concern? bah by AmigaBen · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't know about you, but I'm sick of everything being a flipping copyright concern. Screw the media conglamorates and their infinite copyrights and fascist enforcement.

    Bah.

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    1. Re:Copyright concern? bah by el_womble · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The rate determining step in book copyright infringment is page turning. Single sheet documents can, and have, been easily pirated since the invention of the pen and notepad. I remeber going into a linrary when I was at high school and writing down passages that I thought I could use in an essay. This technology is only slightly faster than that, and is really much closer to the Iris reader pen.

      In our office we have a high speed copier that could scan 10s of pages in a minute, but of course it can't copy books, because they are bound.

      Now, can I scan a passage, page or chapter easily with this technology? Sure! But then I could do that already.

      However, what the internet might let us do is collate our efforts. If 20 people, lets call them students, can be convinced, lets call that poverty, to all go into different books stores at different times of the day and each scan one chapter, or a series of pre arranged pages then they could collate and distribute their efforts very quickly - but theyn, if they really wanted too they could do this already, and they do.

      The reason why people don't do it as much as music is that music through cheap head phones sounds the same whether its on tape, CD, radio or MP3. DVDs look nearly as good distributed via DivX or H.264 (but then your only really looking at it for a few hours and from a distrance). Books are read for hours at a time, in close quarters. Books don't run out of batteries. Books are cheap, books don't have verioning issues and work universally across continents without the need of adapters. In most parts of the world, they operate during waking hours with little or no external power requirements, and if push comes to shove you can run from burning any domestic combustable with no further modification.

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  2. crappy reporting by Lehk228 · · Score: 4, Informative

    the copyright issue is a non-issue contrived for the story, there really is nothing to it

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  3. Doesn't sound so convenient... by lav-chan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to NEC, their software is designed to sound an alarm when being used, to avoid any copyright conflicts. The company claims that any attempts to mute the device somehow or plug in headphones will not affect the audibility of this alarm.

    I can understand their reason for doing that, but that doesn't really endear me to using mobile phones 'as portable faxes or scanners that can be used any time'. I personally feel kind of awkward when my phone's camera makes that little clicky noise. I don't think i would ever use it if it sounded an alarm.

    1. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sensible:
      A truck "beeping" annoyingly when it reverses to alert people nearby that they might be in danger of being run over and horribly maimed or killed.

      Stupid:
      A phone "beeping" annoyingly to alert people nearby that they might be in danger of "losing" some "intellectual property".

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    2. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Orinthe · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think that many phones in the US have already phased out the ability to run off the camera sound because of privacy issues. You can no longer buy phones in Japan that will take pictures silently. This is, of course, not to let you know that you took the photo, but rather to let others know that you took the photo.

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  4. The future is now. by BaronSprite · · Score: 5, Funny

    So now kids can write a note, then scan it, then phone it to their friend? Good, I was getting sick of people smsing me notes of little ascii pr0n.

  5. My god, when will they understand? by Vo0k · · Score: 4, Funny

    New, improved, never-jamming zipper for use in trousers/jeans has been developed, which takes only 2s to take your pants off, and it is causing rape concerns.

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    1. Re:My god, when will they understand? by Vo0k · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the works: New, government-approved DRM-enabled version of the zipper, that allows unzipping only after obtaining proper certificate from the local authority (e.g. public toilet). It is believed to reduce number of rapes by at least 98%.

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    2. Re:My god, when will they understand? by mark-t · · Score: 4, Funny

      In related news, clothing manufacturers are rushing out new lines of pants and underwear that are made of highly urine resistant fabric.

  6. You mean...it copies images...into the computer. by CptTripps · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Give me a break. How can this be a threat to copyright? It's no different than someone snapping a picture of something now. There have ALWAYS been high-resolution scanners...thin ones now too!

    This smells a lot like when people were all upset that cd's were getting 'too cheap' and nobody was going to buy another CD. Well...maybe that KINDA happened.

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  7. Copyright what????? by digital-madman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Copyright concerns?? How about industrial espionage concerns. Seems a little more important.

    Now the spys can get away with saying: "Copy what? I'm calling my mother!"

    -Digital Madman

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  8. Re:Great... by TinyManCan · · Score: 4, Informative

    The kind of companies that would worry about this have already banned cell phones in sensitive areas.

    This is a non-issue.

  9. Copyright concerns? Ptoeey! by scdeimos · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe they should be worried about these new fangled photocopier thingymajigs.

  10. An unmutable alarm? by logicnazi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds really fucking annoying. Can you imagine any time you need to scan a page or text an alarm sounds. Either it won't be loud enough to alert people across a bookstore (and what will they do if they are alerted?) or it will be loud enough to annoy nearby persons and make even legitamate uses (say in a buisness meeting recording documents passed around) problematic.

    How long do you think it will be before a competitor cellphone company comes out with a phone with the feature or just 'oversight' which allows this to be easily disabled?

    Besides the entire idea is really stupid. Clicking to get one page of text is hardly the big scary threat that publishing companies need to be wary about. If the magazine is good enough to buy in the first place it will have many interesting articles and that will be too annoying to scan in a bookstore for a couple dollars.

    I mean be realistic here plenty of people buy text copies just because they don't like reading online. The real problem that faces paper publishers is the rise of e-readers and the same threat that faces the music industry.

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  11. Ummm little late to the part aren't they? by Allnighterking · · Score: 4, Interesting

    consider this patent. Mouse/scanner or the ability to purchase this Pen Scanner or god forbid instead of using the phone the person turned around and used the Xeorox. *sigh*

    No it's more a case of someone shouting "Quick close the barn doors the horses have all left!"

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  12. Re:Just like spy cameras. by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, that's the classic Minox with the Document Copying Attachment (part #69319). Developed in 1938 and still in production, the Minox was the classic spy camera of WWII and the early days of the Cold War.

  13. Re:Just like spy cameras. by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Informative
    This isn't new; I've seen James Bond copy pages by photographing them with one of those tiny cameras. This is only different in that it's digital, and built into a cellphone

    Those differences are prety significant

    • this would be a part of a cellphone, not an expensive spy camera,
    • the software corrects for distortion and stitches together 20 or so images to make a whole page,
    • it OCRs it automatically.
  14. real-time super-resolution & 3D model generati by LionKimbro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, according to the article, we will see this commercially around 2008-2010.

    Justin Rattner tells us that in 2015, we should expect to see real-time super-resolution from cell cameras. That is, the ability to pick up several frames, and figure out more about the image, in real time, just based on the offsetting from holding a camera with a minute unconscious shake. (The problem is parallelizable, and 2015's x10-x100 core systems should take care of it.)

    We already have the software to construct models & textures, after some rendering, from video footage.

    If we could do real-time super-resolution in 2015, then it makes sense to me that, with some processing time, cell phone cameras in 2015 will render 3D-model textures and models. If the 4G network is around by then, (and it should be,) we could very well see instead that the data is sent to more powerful processing arrays elsewhere, (ie, on your home computers, or on Google's computers) and rendered into models in real-time. 4G is around 20Mb, perhaps 3G at 3Mb is enough to transmit low-grade video capture in real-time; Enough to make our 3D models in real time as well.

    Presently, the OCR cameras require some rendering time. That requirement will clearly be gone by 2015; The cameras will automatically OCR text that is identified on-screen. (Perhaps the alarm will be a constant chirping buzz, whenever you use it?)

    As a side note: Perhaps Google maps of the future will learn about what street names go to what streets, simply by recognizing and reading the sign posts.

    What do you want to bet Google's going to get video footage of every city, and crank it into full-on 3D models? You better believe it. I'm betting on 2015, tops. (Who knows; I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't cranking on their Seattle footage now.)

    We should also expect, I think, that the public will assemble it's own models from public footage. Volunteers will capture footage with their cell phones (or, if they are showing off, sophisticated digital video recordsers,) and feed it to a public free culture grid, which will churn out 3D models and textures for distribution and retrieval.

    Is there a flaw in my reasoning? Are these outlandish thoughts for 2015? No! You can't have your Flying Car! Down boy! Retrain your imagination! Yes, people have predicted the future before; read about NISTEP's 1970's predictions for 1990-2000.

  15. Copyright Concerns? by ewhac · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Oh, for cry eye, a Minox camera can be used to copy pages. How about a Kodak Brownie? Christ, how about a fscking Daguerreotype?

    You're not seriously telling me that photographic copying is a surprise to these people?

    I'm sorry, but consumer-level digital computers are 30 years old. Electronic computing in general is at least 60 years old. Photography is over 160 years old. If you haven't figured out by now that Copying Happens, then you're a complete, blithering idiot. Seriously. Grow the hell up now; the world isn't going to stop for you, and the ulcer you save may be your own.

    Schwab

  16. Vulnerability in software by SamMichaels · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to NEC, their software is designed to sound an alarm when being used, to avoid any copyright conflicts. The company claims that any attempts to mute the device somehow or plug in headphones will not affect the audibility of this alarm.

    ISSUE
    The audible alarm may be bypassed by removing the device from which it makes sound.

    PROOF
    1) Open case
    2) Slice wire going to speaker
    3) Take pictures of secret documents
    4) Close case

    IMPLICATIONS
    You'll somehow be thrown in jail by the DMCA and your entire family somehow destroyed by the Patriot Act and other anti-terrorism measures.

    ISSUING AUTHORITY
    Common sense.

  17. banned in Japan? by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 4, Informative

    I live in Japan, and I've seen no bans on camera phones in magazine stores or elsewhere. Every single Japanese person owns one and takes it everywhere.

    What's more, it's common practice for people here to go to the book store or magazine rack and just stand there reading the magazines without buying them. :)

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  18. Automatic stitching of images by Terje+Mathisen · · Score: 4, Informative

    Autostitch/autopano/autopano-sift, along with Panorama Tools, PTAssembler, PTGui or Hugin (open source!) makes it possible to take a bunch of images, and automatically detect which sets of images can be merged into panoramas/photo-mosaics.

    Using any of them on a set of partial scans can be used to regenerate the original page.

    Terje

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  19. Japanese Tourists... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This sounds like those 60s spy movies where they would use the miniature tie-camera to take spy photos

    Or the "serious" ones where they used the Minox with the focus-string to copy documents - just like the real spys did.

    After WWII japanese industry at first was synonymous with cheap, shoddy, stamped-metal goods. This went on for a decade or more. But as they got their industry built back up they began to make some quality goods. One of the first things to be made in production were inexpensive cameras with high-quality optics.

    Back in the '60s there was a stereotype: The crowd of Japanese tourists with cameras, photographing everything: Stop signs, park benches, flowers, door knockers, etc. The impression was that photography was a fad in Japan, fueled by the availability of the good cameras and film.

    In those days industries gave tours of their facilities as a PR thing, letting anybody who wanted see how things were made: Cars, steel, plastic parts, electronic devices, cerial, you name it. Of course the ubiquitous half-busload of vacationing Japanese would take the tours.

    Shortly thereafter a host of japanese industries - auto, plastic, electronic, cerial, you name it - upgraded their processes. You might think it was just the inevitable "convergent evolution" of good engineering. But an exact clone of the Rice Crispies shot tower?

    Turns out that, regardless of whether the fad itself was a put-on or an honest social phenomenon, Japanese industrial spys had taken advantage of it for corporate espionage.

    And very effective corporate espionage: Japan went from a producer of cheap stamped-metal toys and cheap quality cameras to an industrial powerhouse. They became the dominant producer of automobiles and consumer electronics, to name just two major industries where the US HAD been the leader. The US steel industry and much of the manufacturing that used its output, meanwhile, became the "Rust Belt".

    And US companies (such as Kellogs) stopped giving the plant tours that HAD been major tourist attractions for their localities. (With the result that a couple generations in the US have now grown up with negligible understanding of the internals of industrial mass production, one factor contributing to a their profound distrust of corporations.)

    Now we have had cellphones with a built-in camera as a standard component for several years (until they're deployed ubiquitously), and news of document scanner software for the cameras. Sounds to me like a similar fad and a similar opportunity.

    Ok, so it makes a noise. And YOU can't disable the noise. But I'm sure that there will soon appear a hack that will disable the noise. (If nothing else, the "cute" ones that use a recorded camera shutter for pictures and whatever they pick for a scanner function will play them from a table. So make a modified firmware load with an empty table, or a hidden extra menu option to select an table entry containing silence for the prefered sound.)

    But if I take off my tinfoil hat I start to wonder: WHY do cellphones have cameras? Did YOU ask for your cellphone to have a camera? Did you WANT your cellphone to have a camera? Did you have a USE for your cellphone to have a camera?

    Or did it suddenly appear, despite the added expense, on a consumer item in a cost-sensitve, highly competitive, industry?

    Dominated by manufacturers in places like Japan... B-)

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  20. Other causes of Japanese industrial ascendency by technoCon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Though I agree that this is a very interesting and telling, observation, it overlooks a couple other factors in post-war Japanese industrial success.

    1) The Japanese adopted the statistical process control methods of Western Electric developed by Edwards Deming. In the '80s, the Japanese were eating Detroit's lunch by producing higher quality cars using these methods.

    2) The Japanese industrial base was severely damaged by WW2 bombing and all those factories were rebuilt according to state-of-the-art designs. Once the rebuilding expense was amortized, this gave them a competitive advantage.

    I recall from History class that "unicausal" explanation of historical trends are generally inferior to multicausal explanations.