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Artist Suggesting Ways Around Copy Protection

fanboyslayer writes "Switchfoot's new album Nothing Is Sound shipped from Sony with copy protection software on the CD, much to the dismay of thousands of iPod-wielding fans. The band posted a response on their official forum apologizing for the protection and detailing ways to circumvent the protection and rip their songs to PC. Switchfoot linked to open-source program CDex's download page with instructions on disabling the autorunning protection and ripping the files to MP3. Many of Switchfoot's fans have been upset by the copy protection measures, and it's nice to know the artists seem to care about the issue."

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  1. Nice comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's nice to see bands standing up for their public against the wishes of their labels. I can imagine this posting will cause some heated discussions within Sony!

    For those too lazy to RTFA their advice is "press shift when loading the CD", and "if that's too late, burn the music back to CD and rip it again".

    1. Re:Nice comment by Rosyna · · Score: 4, Informative

      I prefer this comment:

      A) If you're a mac user, or you have access to a mac, or you purchased the dual disc, you should have no problems... simply import the songs the same way as you always do.

    2. Re:Nice comment by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I prefer this comment:

      A) If you're a mac user, or you have access to a mac, or you purchased the dual disc, you should have no problems... simply import the songs the same way as you always do.

      Not trying to Mac-bash, but having only about 3% of the consumer market share does have it's advantages.

      If the Apple and Windows userbases suddenly became equal, you'd see copy protection for both platforms. Why spend an equal amount of money for copy protection that's only going to affect 3% of your consumers vs 95%?

      That said, the whole DMCA side of this is plain stupid. Microsoft designed Windows (this really *is* a feature :) so that you could bypass pesky autorun software by holding the SHIFT key (or just turning off on a per-drive basis). It's not a secret. Maybe Sony should sue Microsoft for not giving them a good way to prohibit users from exercising their fair use rights. That's a Slashdot article I want too see; Microsoft getting sued (yay!) but by Sony because they want strict media access control (boo!).
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    3. Re:Nice comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Microsoft designed Windows (this really *is* a feature :) so that you could bypass pesky autorun software by holding the SHIFT key (or just turning off on a per-drive basis)

      What's the odds that in Vista, the Autorun feature will be "improved" so that it's more like, "to disable Autorun, hold down SHIFT, unless it's a copy-protected disc in which case it WILL auto-run regardless of any key-presses or registry changes you make"?
      /me paranoid first thing on a Monday morning

    4. Re:Nice comment by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 5, Funny
      "to disable Autorun, hold down SHIFT, unless it's a copy-protected disc in which case it WILL auto-run regardless of any key-presses or registry changes you make"?

      That would be great! Finally we can again make bluescreen disks which won't be defeated with a trivial press on the shift key, hehe...

    5. Re:Nice comment by Technician · · Score: 4, Informative

      Maybe Sony should sue Microsoft for not giving them a good way to prohibit users from exercising their fair use rights. That's a Slashdot article I want too see; Microsoft getting sued (yay!) but by Sony because they want strict media access control (boo!).


      You are thinking inside the box. The simple fact is MS doesn't own the Phillips Compact Disk standard. MS is trying to sell a format that they do own. Seen any secure WMA files lately? They simply haven't gotten the labels to bite yet because too many players in cars and such still won't play the format.

      Does anybody know if the CD contains the Compact Disk logo? So far I have avoided the copy protected disks simply by not buying any CD without the Compact Disk logo as registered by Phillips. I wouldn't want any DMCA liability that the band advocates by defeating a protection mechanism.

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    6. Re:Nice comment by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The artists are mere karma bitches, playing Sony for money and the general public for simpathy. Move along. Nothing to see here.

      Do they have to give up all principles when they take payment from a record company? No. If doing something for the benefit of others (telling them how to get music onto their PC in this case) is being a "karma bitch" then you might as well make the same accusation of Ghandi and Mother Theresa (that bitch was only doing it so she could get into heaven).

    7. Re:Nice comment by Pollardito · · Score: 5, Funny
      Maybe Sony should sue Microsoft for not giving them a good way to prohibit users from exercising their fair use rights.
      they could followup with a lawsuit against the keyboard manufacturers for including not one but two shift keys
    8. Re:Nice comment by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They did give up all their principles, if they ever had any, when signing for Sony. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution.

      This is the same logic that Bush used. You're either with us or with the terrorists. It's just fallacy. Empty rhetoric. It just sounds good.

      Sony are not a "problem" they're a symptom. They're a company, created by commerce-based culture. If they go under, another company will form to take their place. Your problem is with the system that created them.

      Also, comparing a bunch of entertainers to mother Theresa and Gandhi is downright laughable, and only serves to reinforce my perception that these guys are some sort of PR hoes.

      Why? They're just human beings in the pubic eye. Look at Bob Geldof. He's an entertainer and he helps people. Just because you have them categorised into neat little boxes doesn't mean they have to conform to your definitions.

      Oh, and good_press != heaven so there goes the rest of your argument. Go get some sleep, fanboy.

      I'm going to ignore your childish insults and explain again.

      You are *assuming* that these musicians are doing this for PR reasons. If they are doing that then, although your label of "karma bitch" might be valid, you have to apply that label in some places you might not expect in order for you critisism to be consistent, and hence for you not to be a hypocrite.

      For example, the Catholic church (amongst many others, I apologise for using the easy target) preaches that if you don't follow their ways you will go to hell. It follows that people become Catholic to avoid going to hell. So, a catholic who performs a charitable act could be said to do so under the threat of hell. The same label of "karma bitch" could be applied, it's just that the reward comes in the afterlife instead of at a celebrity record launch.

      Personally I disagree with your label of "karma bitch". I think that performing charitable acts in your own interests is perfectly acceptable. In fact, think that performing charitable acts is actually usually in your own interests, even if it's only to satisfy your conscience or to appear generous.

    9. Re:Nice comment by Tink2000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Finding that little CD logo is becoming (actually, has become) nearly impossible to do anymore. Out of the last 50 cds I've picked up (read as: not bought) at local shops, nothing released in the last year has had it.

      However, they have all had that cute little FBI logo on them.

    10. Re:Nice comment by skingers6894 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's not a Mac-Bash at all. It's a succinct description of one reason why it's great to be a Mac owner.

      When the Mac Market share hits, say 25%, I'll re-evaluate my platform choice.

    11. Re:Nice comment by lowrydr310 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Time to switch to linux!!!

      There are a lot of rumors and reports about terrible copy protection in Vista, whether it's this or allowing only 'approved' monitors and the simplest solution is to switch to Linux. Unfortunately I still need Windows, and there's no way my wife would ever consider Linux at the moment so if copy protection gets too bad the best solution is to have a separate Linux box and do the rip/burn there. I can say for certain that I have no need to upgrade to Vista now, but when I do buy a new PC I'm sure it'll be on there.

      My current setup would be a decent linux box, good enough for web browsing, listening to music, and ripping CDs. Then all I would need to do is set up a shared drive on the windows machine that I could access across my home network. Am I right to assume that Linux can read NTFS but not write?

    12. Re:Nice comment by arevos · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then all I would need to do is set up a shared drive on the windows machine that I could access across my home network. Am I right to assume that Linux can read NTFS but not write?

      Yes, that's correct. Though you can read and write to an NTFS drive across a Windows network using Linux.

    13. Re:Nice comment by inquisitor · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Macrovision CDS "copy control" logo should be on the front of the CD as a sticky label and on the back cover printed; it definitely is on all copy-control releases I've ever seen. It's multi-language as well. I certainly will not purchase any CC CD, and advise others against it.

      The good news is that they're becoming less common - I've seen some very unwelcome uses of CDS here in the UK (including a jazz CD) but most new CDs I've seen from EMI/subsidiaries, the biggest users of CDS previously, have been protection-free; and new issues of some of the previously protected CDs, like Blur's Think Tank, have been CP-free. Which is certainly a good thing.

      As for the Switchfoot protection, this is almost certainly the pain-in-the-ass SunnCOMM MediaMax system as seen on a lot of Sony USA albums. It's basically a legal trojan - it will install its Windows service even if you decline the licensing agreement (illegal in the UK under the Computer Misuse Act, which may be why we haven't seen many MediaMax CDs outside the States; they usually turn up as either CDS or unprotected instead.) It may be a good idea not to load the CD as Administrator, as well as turning off autorun.

      Since it's a service, it's removable from the Computer Management services screen and from a hard to find link on he SunnCOMM website, but it has an obscure name - "SbcpHid" according to the CD3 analysis here, although I suspect they've either changed it now or added a partner (can't find any info to suggest otherwise). Can't someone sue them?

    14. Re:Nice comment by lowrydr310 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think most new CDs (at least the ones I've seen) have a little disclaimer that says something about them not being compliant with some standard and that there's no guarantee they'll play on all CD players. I haven't had any problems playing anything yet, but I'd be a little upset if I bought a CD that wouldn't play. I don't know of any store that would accept a return on an opened CD, unless it was physically damaged in which case they'd issue a replacement of the exact title.

    15. Re:Nice comment by arkanes · · Score: 4, Informative
      it will install its Windows service even if you decline the licensing agreement

      This almost certainly falls under various US anti-spyware laws. It *probably* falls under good old 18 USC 1030 as well. The reason why spyware and other trojans don't is the nominal "authorization" of the EULA. If it installs even when you specifically decline that authorization, that should be a violation of law. Granted that the odds of any DA choosing to go after media companies for this is... poor.

    16. Re:Nice comment by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 2, Funny
      they could followup with a lawsuit against the keyboard manufacturers for including not one but two shift keys

      With the stupidity levels of judges as they are today, I can actually see it working.

      "Your honor, there is no question that a shift key is necessary to allow the user to quickly and easily capitalize the odd letter, but was the motivation behind the second shift button?...

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    17. Re:Nice comment by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If the Apple and Windows userbases suddenly became equal, you'd see copy protection for both platforms. Why spend an equal amount of money for copy protection that's only going to affect 3% of your consumers vs 95%?

      same idea as spyware.

      i've got a question, though (being as I don't use windows and I've had the opportunity to rip several protected CDs for other people)...

      One of the main problems with windows, in terms of reasons for lack of stability and the like, is that there is so much crap being installed on a regular basis (spyware, adware, and not to mention actual real software), what's to stop all this crap from conflicting and bringing down the system?

      at my job, they just locked down all of the windows computers. Software cannot be installed without an administrator password. hell, you can't even look at the built-in calendar without loggin in as an admin (doubleclick the time in the taskbar).

      how are office peons supposed to listen to music, now?

      this also brings up another issue. Earlier on slashdot, there was an article about the 6 stupidest ideas for security. the author proposed a whitelist for executing software on a machine, rather than a blacklist. Having audio CDs require installation of software just to listen to music completely shatters his idea of keeping a clean system. Suddenly, you go from knowing exactly what you need to run (excel, word, minesweeper, adobe reader, etc) to saying "sonydrmdaemon32.exe? columnbiaprotect_win32.exe... wtf is that crap?"

      I can see it now. in 2 years when nearly every audioCD comes with their own flavour of software DRM, the next wave of security exploits are going to involve that software.

      the future looks pretty dark.

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    18. Re:Nice comment by bonzooznob · · Score: 3, Funny
      MSFT should just get a patent on the [SHIFT] key as a DRM system.
      Then they can charge a levy on all Music labels.
      Why not? I mean, if you Double-Click the CD Icon, you are already using patented innovative MSFT technology.
      Personally, I can't wait till MSFT patents the ToasterTM.
      I can see it now... (cue dream sequence)
      New MSFT Toaster Vista (Corporate Office Edition) Features innovative 5 slice design, built-in Popup Blocking! and anti-toast Phishing feature! (workaround available via the undocumented [pull-plug feature]). Users will love the new streamlined interface... all the controls for each slice bay (cough tab) are on the far side of the toaster (cough, horrible IE7 tab implementation)... each slice is pre-buttered with MSFT Genuine Fudder(R) so you don't have to...
      Aghh! Will these nightmares never end!
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    19. Re:Nice comment by frequnkn · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is no "AutoRun" feature within Mac OS itself, and I don't think there ever has been. Quicktime had a similar function several versions ago (which could be disabled by removing/not loading the extension), but that was removed due to fear of malicious use, AFAIK.

      Mac OS X will automatically open a Finder window upon mounting read-only media (and usually network volumes as well), but no code is executed.

      Not sayin' it's good or bad, just sayin'.

      -Foo

    20. Re:Nice comment by Technician · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Finding that little CD logo is becoming (actually, has become) nearly impossible to do anymore.


      And if shiny round pieces of plastic that didn't have the logo didn't sell, DRM on fake CD's would be already dead. Sadly there is enough demand for DRM CD's to keep making them.

      nothing released in the last year has had it.


      I've noticed. My purchases have reflected this. My last few CD's were purchased from Goodwill.

      I Rip, Mix, and Burn my CD's. I also honor the DMCA. I don't buy DRM CD's.

      I spend my entertainment dollars elswhere.

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    21. Re:Nice comment by hey! · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Catholic church believes in salvation based on grace. I.E. that one is saved by the grace of Christ and not based on works. ...

      And no I am not Catholic.


      And it shows in your post. You've just outlined the Protestant position on the problem of "justification". RC doctrine is not precisely antithetial to this doctrine, in that it agrees that salvation is by grace (e.g. that it is not a human right but a gift). However, RC theology goes on to a number of other concepts such as the redemptive value of suffering, the increase of grace through merit,or the loss thereof through mortal sin, which amount in affect to the ability to increase the probability of salvation or to lose it altogther via works.

      So, neither you nor the poster got it exactly right.

      In any case, I think the point of who is more meritorious is somewhat irrelevant. It is possible to use people through the pretext of serving them, or to serve people while engaging with them commercially. Even if materially you sacrifice for the material benefit of another, it is quite possible to exploit them in other ways, for example for social status, for ego gratification, or, as in the case the poster posited, for the purpose of ensuring ones' salvation. It should be noted that there is in RC theology no merit in an action that is intended for the selfish purpose of personal salvation.

      At least in my opinion, the fundamental issue is recognizing the humanity of other people and responding to it appropriately. If you have a commercial relationship with somebody, it does not, or at least should not, preclude this.

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    22. Re:Nice comment by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Informative
      Mac OS 9 and prior did have an autorun, IIRC, though nobody ever did anything with it.

      Mac OS X does not support automatic execution on mount.

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    23. Re:Nice comment by FLEB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From what I recall of the format, though, at least with these, it's a strange sort of "affirmative DRM", in that the CD portion of the disc isn't corrupt, but you "have to" (if you don't know how to turn off Autorun) load the player/driver, which includes a wedge program that scrambles reads from the CD-ROM if the disc is marked. If I'm not mistaken, it's plain CDDA if you never load the "driver". So, if the security software says "no", then the installer won't run, and you'll just have a plain ol' Multi-mode format CD in the drive.

      It's really a shame, though, that CDDA doesn't support multichannel audio out of the box. That means there's a real competitive advantage for a next-gen audio format, which will undoubtedly end up having integrated DRM ability. Until then, there are predominant existing media (with consumer-ubiquitous players) to openly encode most current DRMed content, which means that DRM can't completely take over with the current 2-channel audio format.

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  2. Wow by rm999 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wow, I wonder how Sony will respond to this. After all, bands usually have to give away all their freedom (and their souls) to the record companies when they sign.

    Respect to Switchfoot. Oh, and down with the record companies, who don't give a damn about the artists or their music.

    1. Re:Wow by fabs64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      yes but what their paying customers want, is in fact a way to circumvent the copy protection on the cd, whic because of the infinite intelligence that is the dmca, is illegal ;-)

    2. Re:Wow by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And to play those purchased songs on their ipods, they have to circumvent copyright protection, which is a crime. This has nothing to do with piracy or p2p.

    3. Re:Wow by E8086 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've always considered the CD autoplay nothing more than a nuisance and have been disabling it since 1996. Anyone who thinks disabling a unneeded pre-existing windows process is circumventing the DMCA and a criminal act needs to have their head examined. They have their CD autoinstall a piece of restrictive spyware without the users knowledge and then complain when people do something to stop it. I was almost confused by that, then I remembered it's the RIAA we're talking about and the phrase "but that would make sense" doesn't apply.

      I've been too lazy to hold shift so I just disabled autoplay:
      Win95/98/ME get to properties of the drive uncheck auto insert notification
      Win2000/XP run gpedit.msc Administrative Templates - System - Disable Auto play-enabled

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    4. Re:Wow by lgftsa · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is such a thing as "right of fair use", which is sacrosanct.

      In your country perhaps, but not in mine. We have no fair use rights, we can't even back up an audio or video CD/DVD to preserve the original from physical damage.

    5. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'll believe the band did this in defiance of the label when Sony sues Switchfoot. Until then, I'll assume this is just another case of engineered street cred.

    6. Re:Wow by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      There is such a thing as "right of fair use",
      Not in any country I know of. In some places, there are fair use exemptions to copyright law, but that's not the same thing at all.
      which is sacrosanct.

      Again, not in any country I know of. Many places now have laws that make circumvention of copy protection mechanisms a crime in its own right, regardless of whether you would otherwise be allowed to copy the material. This is why things like the DMCA and EUCD are such bad law: they created a loophole through which fair use exemptions could be eliminated.

      You might wish it to be different -- and I'm sure you would not be alone -- but wishing does not make it so, and I'm afraid shouting all over Slashdot in bold capitals that it is just makes you sound ill-informed.

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    7. Re:Wow by Bastian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed. Doesn't installing this software without my knowledge qualify as some sort of computer crime? If I installed software on one of Sony's computers without asking them first, you can be sure my ass would be in jail on computer hacking charges faster than you could blink.

  3. NOBODY WANTS IT by frinkacheese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So..

    Artists dont want it.
    Consumers dont want it. ...

    When will they learn? It's such a pain in the ass to get any media, especially DVDs with diff region codes that I am literally FORCED to warez movies to play on my mac. If I buy the DVD, I can not play it (I am in the UK - I want to buy a Region 1 DVD...)

    1. Re:NOBODY WANTS IT by Willeh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That doesn't matter as long as the people who call the shots want it, ie. the record companies themselves. The rest is by and large, inconsequential. They control the band via stranglehold-contracts, and the consumers buy the product like the sheep they are.

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    2. Re:NOBODY WANTS IT by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Artists dont want it.

      You're extrapolating a bit. In this case:

      Artist dont want it.

      I'm sure we have thousands of artists out there that puts record company deals before their fans abilities to use iPods. I wouldn't even be surprised if it's more the rule than the exception.

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    3. Re:NOBODY WANTS IT by Lisandro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sadly, it doesn't mean a thing. As long as people continue to buy copy-protected CDs, region-encoded DVDs and other DRMed media, they will continue using it.

          It's as simple as that; if they feel it might be benefitial to their buisness and consumers put up with it, it will be there. That it might annoy consumers who have deal with that shit with media they bought legally is of little consequence.

    4. Re:NOBODY WANTS IT by dave1212 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sure we have thousands of artists out there that puts record company deals before their fans abilities to use iPods.

      Very true, and those 'artists' that feel that way will end up without any fans.

      Bands who care only about money won't last.

      Bands who care about their fans? They'll last forever.

    5. Re:NOBODY WANTS IT by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Take them back to the shop. They were sold and advertised as audio CDs, but do not work as audio CDs. The record company may well refuse to take them back - if so this is ideal, since it means the shop will be more wary about stocking crippled CDs in future.

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    6. Re:NOBODY WANTS IT by LordFnord · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You're in .uk? Richer Sounds (and Comet, and Currys, and everywhere else) are selling multi-region players. If they're illegal then no-one's bothered :-)

      For example, try here.

    7. Re:NOBODY WANTS IT by BridgeGarth · · Score: 2, Informative

      No problem at all. Many, many region free players are available in major high street shops (including Sony), lesser hight street shops (Richer Sounds), supermarkets and online. If you are concerned there are many web sites which list capabilities of virtually every player out there and with reviews. Or you could pop into your local Co-Op and buy the 30 quid DVD player with "Region-Free" in big letters written on it. Well this is in UK, maybe different elsewhere, of course.

    8. Re:NOBODY WANTS IT by laffer1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, an example would be the Rolling Stones. I think its obvious from their history in court. All they care about is money and not the fans. I think i'll go listen to bitter sweet symphony.

    9. Re:NOBODY WANTS IT by xouumalperxe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All you have to do is (...)

      But all you WANT to do is just stick the legally bought DVD into your computer and watch it. Such a remarkable concept, isn't it?

    10. Re:NOBODY WANTS IT by yotto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sure we have thousands of artists out there that puts record company deals before their fans abilities to use iPods. I wouldn't even be surprised if it's more the rule than the exception.

      I would argue that those people are not artists so much as businesspeople. Not saying that's bad, we need businesspeople to keep the economy running.

  4. Good to see... by SecureTheNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that bands at least care about their listeners. Maybe artists can pressure their labels into getting rid of this crap? Now that they've posted instructions on getting around the copy protection, is Sony going to sue them using the DMCA??

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  5. RIAA Lawsuit Factor by digital-madman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Okay folks.. My first thought was: "How cool! At least not all artist's (I'm looking at you metallica) are all about money and not the art". But here's another thought. Most artists only make around $2 profit (I've read that somewhere, sorry I can't source it) per album. The rest of the 15 bucks go to production, marketing, studios, and guess who? The RIAA! So this could be the first case where the RIAA sues AN ARTIST! With all the P2P music trading lawsuits... I think the RIAA has the grounds here. The Artist could be called pirates for detailing how to bypass the DRM. Plus the OSS software is now at risk of a RIAA lawsuit. I'm no lawyer so I may be off base here but I do think the next Slashdot headline will be "RIAA Sues Switchfoot". -Digital Madman

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    1. Re:RIAA Lawsuit Factor by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You overshot the artist's profit by about a buck.

      I don't recall specific numbers, but the artist gets a number of points. Each point counts for something like sixteen cents. It usually ends up being around a dollar per album. And out of that, I believe they have to pay their agent, manager and often times pay for some or all expenses involved in videos and touring and maybe even production.

    2. Re:RIAA Lawsuit Factor by JeFurry · · Score: 4, Informative

      The information linked below is out of date by a decade, but the industry hasn't changed in essence very much except for the very recent introductions of online music shopping (which the RIAA is still involved in) and podcasting/torrenting (which it isn't much, *yet*). I think the title sums it up well: "Some of your friends are already this fucked." http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic. html The financial breakdown on this page indicates a rather bleaker picture than $2 per album.

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    3. Re:RIAA Lawsuit Factor by Asic+Eng · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So this could be the first case where the RIAA sues AN ARTIST!

      Doubt it - they might be able to pull that off legally, but it would hurt them politically. So in all likelyhood they'll just ignore the whole thing.

    4. Re:RIAA Lawsuit Factor by Tink2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And this one by Courtney Love (who'd have thunk it?) does even better: http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2000/06/14 /love/index.xml

    5. Re:RIAA Lawsuit Factor by Man+of+E · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'm no lawyer so I may be off base here but I do think the next Slashdot headline will be "RIAA Sues Switchfoot"

      Nope the next headline will be "Artist Suggesting Ways Around Copy Protection".

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  6. I'd never heard of the band.. by jcr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But, once I read TFA, I looked them on the iTMS. Not really my thing, but I hope that they get a lot of sales from this exposure.

    -jcr

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    1. Re:I'd never heard of the band.. by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because nothing will show Sony the error of their DMCA/DRM ways like skyrocketing sales of their DRM CDs...

  7. No Possible way out??? by inflex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is heartbreaking to see our blood, sweat, and tears over the past 2 years blurred by the confusion and frustration surrounding this new technology. It is also unfortunate when bands such as ourselves, Foo Fighters, Coldplay, etc... (just a few of the new releases with copy protection) are the target of this criticism, when there is no possible way to avoid this new industry policy.

    [Bolding mine]

    Not sure about there being "no possible way" - perhaps when it comes time to renew their contract with Sony they'll consider going to alternative solutions. Worse comes to worse, perhaps they won't ever be able to escape Sony but they'll serve as a warning for others.

    If the large corps keep on with this process it'll typically generate a new band of recording studios who don't and thus are seen as somewhat more friendly (though the cycle will probably still go on).

    1. Re:No Possible way out??? by Seumas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hah. Unless I'm in the Rolling Stones, I'm probably having a hard enough time negotiating a contract that allows me to own a home and consider retiring someday (or even just put food on my plate), but I'm going to waste my bargaining power (what little there may be unless, again, I'm the biggest act around) on making sure the few legitimate users out there who need to circumvent copy protection can do so?

      Not bloody likely.

    2. Re:No Possible way out??? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've got a friend that is in a quickly-rising band. He's getting fucked twelve ways to Sunday - bigtime. He's having to borrow money from friends and relatives just to stay on the road.

      The problem is that he has a contract with both a record label and an agent, and the agent is fucking him over. Unfortunately, he can't do anything about it until his contract expires - which it does, soon.

      After that, he's got a guy lined up to give him and another member of the band (the only two who aren't restricted from leaving) a contract on another label, complete with a 11k/month salary and various other benefits.

      It might not be enough to live off indefinately, but it's certainly enough to compensate them for their time. Artists shouldn't be allowed to eat off their art indefinately; they need to keep innovating and improving, just like the rest of us. A good example of this is, I think, Greenday. Their sound has matured quite a bit, and now they're not teen punkers but fairly mature adult artists.

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  8. DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a band from the USA. Unless I'm mistaken, since the record company is usually the copyright holder of the recordings, this is actually a case of a band infringing the DMCA by telling people how to access their own music. Seems like a perfect example of how screwed up the DMCA is. I can only hope that they get sued for it, perhaps then people will realise the extent to which both copyright and the music industry is screwed up.

    1. Re:DMCA by dr_d_19 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is NOT "a perfect example of how screwed up the DMCA is". This is a perfect example of the original copyright holder (Switchfoot) SELLING the copyright of his/hers/their music to another party (Sony). There. You get the money, and you LOSE the control. Simple as that.

      DMCA only involvement in this story is the fact that the band gave instructions on how to circumvent the copy protection. But the discussion about DMCA belongs in another thread.

    2. Re:DMCA by Tezkah · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Sony will have to sue their own employees, since when I voiced my frustrations after buying a CD with copy protection (The Coral - Invisible Invasion), I couldn't put it on my iPod. After giving them my email they sent me this:

      [Windows]
      If you have a PC place the CD into your computer and allow the Sony BMG audio player on the CD to automatically start. If the player software does not automatically start, open your Windows Explorer. Locate and select the drive letter for your CD drive. On the disc you will find either a file named LaunchCD.exe or Autorun.exe. Double-click this file to manually start the player.

      TIP: If your CD does not contain either the LaunchCD.exe or
                      Autorun.exe files, it may not be compatible with this iPod
                      solution. Please reply to this letter for more information.

      Once the Sony BMG player application has been launched and the End User License Agreement has been accepted, you can click the Copy Songs button on the top menu.

      Follow the instructions to copy the secure Windows Media Files (WMA) to your PC. Make a note of where you are copying the songs to, you will need to get to these secure Windows Media Files in the next steps.

      Once the WMA files are on your PC you can open and listen to the songs with Windows Media Player 9.0 or higher (or another fully compatible player that can playback secure WMA files, such as MusicMatch, RealPlayer, and Winamp). You can then burn the songs to a standard Audio CD. Please note that in order to burn the files, you will need to upgrade to, or already have, Windows Media Player 9 or 10.

      Once the standard Audio CD has been created, place this copied CD back into your computer and open iTunes. iTunes can now rip the songs as you would any normal audio CD.

      Please note an easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation from Apple, who we have already reached out to in hopes of addressing this issue. To help speed this effort, we ask that you use the following link to contact Apple and ask them to provide a solution that would easily allow you to move content from protected CDs into iTunes or onto your iPod rather than having to go through the additional steps above:

            http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html

      Thank you for the opportunity to be of assistance.

      The Sony BMG Online Support Team
      CCKM


      Notice how they try to blame Apple because they only allow customers to rip to crippled (and crappy, IMO) WMA. I eventually just downloaded Exact Audio Copy and it ripped it just fine. Still frustrating.
    3. Re:DMCA by Boiling_point_ · · Score: 5, Informative

      ...You get the money, and you LOSE the control. Simple as that.

      (bold emphasis mine) Except we all know that's not actually the truth. Sony still gets the money, and the copyright. Cue the href to the now-five-years-old Courtney Love article for more information.

      Sadly, unless you're Fugazi, you're not likely to be heard by many people unless you sell out. Something about the world just not being a fair place or some such...

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  9. sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long do you think it'll take for Sony to delete the post? My guess... they'll say "even if you bought the cd, simply trying to extract the songs onto your pc means you're going to send the songs to all your friends" and shut it down within a couple days. I don't understand this logic at all. Apparently (since the RIAA goes after p2p), they don't seem to care about the commercial pirating of music. I wonder what will happen when every music cd has copy protection on it, yet p2p and everything else (insert bittorrent jokes) thrive. The only thing this copy protection does is piss off people who legitimately bought the cd... it does absolutely NOTHING to stop piracy. sigh

    1. Re:sigh. by Eric604 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am an old fashioned pirate, I just sing out loud the songs I hear. Like in the old days. No DRM that can shut me up.

  10. Evil? by __aaxwdb6741 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, let me get this straight.
    The record labels ARE the bad guys, and the band themselves probably didnt have a say when their record label decided that the CD should have copy protection, right?
    The artists did realize that by putting copyright-protection on their CD, the piracy of their CD would increase, and not decrease - like the record company propagates - because everyone wants to listen to their music not just on their CD player, but also on their mp3 player, car stereo, and whatnot, right?

    I really salute these guys for doing that they did, by putting out these instructions. It doesnt even matter to me that this smells a bit like a PR stunt - The thing that matters is that maybe more artists will follow this example, and soon "UNPROTECTED AUDIO-CD" will be a treat, just like "Limited Edition" is today.

  11. The bottom line of DRM by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Has always been that your fans pay with extra inconvenience and the pirates-that-be will get around it with ease.

    Companies should learn that all it takes is one copy cracked for it to be out there.

    But then I see the upcoming standard for Blu-ray, etcetera - and I suppose making the paying customers pay is the point. I mean, it's wonderful for the bottom line when you can sell the same person a movie on VHS, and then on region hobbled DVD, and then entice them with a HD version on Blu-ray. And the incentive is even greater for Joe Consumer once they can't back up their stuff or transfer it to other formats.

    I'm glad for corporate thinking - because of this whereas I used to buy 25 CDs a year from mainstream RIAA companies, I buy 1-2 now. I don't download music but I simply don't care anymore. My money has moved onto other interests......

  12. Nice try, but by inkfox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they really cared, they wouldn't be signed to a shit-ass major label in the first place. They can't have their street cred indie underground image and swing for the major league cocksuckers at the same time.

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    1. Re:Nice try, but by bnitsua · · Score: 4, Interesting

      they're a "christian" band, not indie. which, for some reason, only adds humor to the situation for me...

    2. Re:Nice try, but by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cool, so if they get struck by lightning we know God is pro-DRM.

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      How we know is more important than what we know.
    3. Re:Nice try, but by somersault · · Score: 2, Interesting

      errr yeah, Christians shouldnt be allowed to play rock music.. o_0 that makes sense *enjoys rock music, is in a band, is a Christian* though I agree, most 'christian' bands play sucky music, hehehe

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      which is totally what she said
    4. Re:Nice try, but by ElBeano · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I know Christian bashing is popular on Slashdot, but it merely displays ignorance of the diversity of those who call themselves "Christian". For example, the first Christians were model citizens but refused to recognize the "godhood" of the emperor. You may disagree with them (Switchfoot), loathe them, but they are doing what they believe is right. If you take care to analyze the situation, you WILL respect them... and avoid the snide comments. I take every claim to be "Christian" with a grain of salt. I examine the evidence to see whether the claim is valid (admittedly according to my fallible judgment) and then comment. I have a lot of respect for this band.

  13. Respect by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Informative

    This fellow seems quite intelligent and able to express himself in writing. I wonder if he wrote that or if his publicist did it for him. I've had this idea that rockers are spaced-out potheads. Well at any rate, he has my respect.

    "Hello friends,

    my heart is heavy with this whole copy-protection thing. Many PC users have posted problems that they have had importing the new songs (regular disc only, not the dual disc) into programs such as Itunes. Let me first say that as a musician AND as a music fan, I agree with the frustration that has been expressed. We were horrified when we first heard about the new copy-protection policy that is being implemented by most major labels, including Sony (ours), and immediately looked into all of our options for removing this from our new album. Unfortunately, this is the new policy for all new major releases from these record companies. It is heartbreaking to see our blood, sweat, and tears over the past 2 years blurred by the confusion and frustration surrounding this new technology. It is also unfortunate when bands such as ourselves, Foo Fighters, Coldplay, etc... (just a few of the new releases with copy protection) are the target of this criticism, when there is no possible way to avoid this new industry policy.

    For mac users these songs should import seamlessly. We are told that itunes is coming out with a new version for PC users in early November that will be compatible with all of these new CD's but in the meantime it's frustrating for all of us. That said, there are a number of solutions (as is always the case with these types of things) for importing the CD into your itunes and ipod. We have compiled some of the easier ways below. I feel like as a band and as listeners, we've all been through a lot together over the past ten years, and we refuse to allow corporate policy to taint the family we've developed together. We deeply regret that there exists the need for any of our listeners to spend more than 30 seconds importing our music, but we're asking as friends and partners in this journey together to spend the extra 10 minutes that it takes to import these songs, which we think you'll agree to be our finest collection of songs yet. As a band, we've always been known for having the best fans in the world and I know that will continue for years to come. A month from now, I hope to be singing these songs together at a show, and the extra time spent importing the music will perhaps be forgotten, or at least forgiven. Thank you for your understanding and the continued kindness that you have always shown for five dreamers from San Diego, we love you guys,

    -tim foreman
    "

    1. Re:Respect by Karyyk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As a long-time fan of Switchfoot (when they were a 3-piece band and doing some rather creative, but still cheesy videos for the Christian music scene), I'm fairly sure he did. The Foremans (Tim and his brother Jon) are a few cuts above the average rockers out there, and a bit deeper as well. They're also one of those bands who will stick around a venue for a while afterwards getting to know their fans, and to this point, have yet to let stardom cloud their eyes about what's really important, the fans. They'll stick by their guns on this one.

  14. Add Tristan Prettyman to the list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    On her Web site, Tristan, too, apologizes for the copy protection and links to a threaded discussion on her site about bypassing the protection to rip the tracks.

    It's a shame record companies are forcing their artists to be on the defensive about this issue. The record companies are for the protection, the consumers (especially those owning iPods or wanting to play these non-standard CDs on their computers) are against it, and the artists are left directly in the middle of the tug-of-war.

  15. Re:What's the point? by nmb3000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Whats the point of putting such protection on your music CDs when all you're going to do is turn around and post a link on your site about how to bypass it.

    RTFA.

    The band had no voice in the matter. Sony is their label and chose to put the protection on the disc, whether the band wanted it on or not. Switchfoot posted the info on bypassing it because it was pissing off a lot of their fans and that's not something most (read: not Metallica) bands want. In addition, they probably wanted to piss off Sony a little bit for abusing the power that labels have come to know and love.

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  16. One up for Linux and Alt OSes!!! by NiteRiderXP · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's funny cause the copy protection seems to only effect Windows. If you have Linux, Mac, or any other OS it won't hinder anything. Kind of shows how dumb the music industry is. I am sure it wouldn't be hard to find the service/dll causing the problem and remove it. Somebody should develop Copy Protection Definitions and a program to remove them automatically, kind of like virusscan.
    Nite Rider

    1. Re:One up for Linux and Alt OSes!!! by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 5, Interesting
      They're not dumb. They're getting exactly what they want, which is to restrict the fair use rights of the consumer in the pursuit of greater profits ; if they can prevent the average Joe manipulating the music through his computer, they can sell more ringtones (bigger than the singles market now), digital music (especially for your DRM enabled player), and so forth. The argument that it's to prevent piracy is pretty transparent, precisely because of the demographic the technology is targetting. Which is over 90% of the installed user base for the consumer OS market.

      The vast majority of their clientele will have Windows, with the CD-ROM Autorun feature switched on. The fact that the technology does nothing to prevent copying by the tech-savvy demographic indicates that they know that there is nothing they can do to prevent "cracking" of their protection schemes. They would love a universally uncrackable scheme, but they know that such a thing is not achievable. So they have settled for a scheme that nets them more money from a demographic that they can push around, and pointed the finger of blame at "those dirty smelly hacker pirates".

    2. Re:One up for Linux and Alt OSes!!! by jcaren · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I understood that installing any software without express permission is illegal within the UK/EU? If true, and if every purchaser returned the CD, and then somehow managed to take the record shop to courts for the IT cleanup fees, record shops would be far more wary about invasive DRM. Jacqui

    3. Re:One up for Linux and Alt OSes!!! by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have never had difficulty with cdparanoia. Just change to a directory, place the CD in the drive and # cdparanoia -B. You get a set of .wav files which are easily dealt with {for i in *wav; do lame -h $i && rm $i; done}. Note that you will have to download and compile lame yourself {from a server in a country where maths patents are unenforcible}.

      Back in the days of 2.4 kernels, you had to muck about with SCSI emulation, /etc/modules and append statements in lilo.conf; but all that finally changed with the advent of 2.6.

      For some discs, you might need a drive of 12X or slower speed. This is because older, slower drives seem not to read all TOCs as soon as the disc is inserted; so are immune to "protection" methods involving bogus TOC entries.

      I once bought a copy-protected "CD" {Macrovision / Cactus CDS 200} just for the h4x0r challenge, and was so disappointed when it came through without problems that I have not even bothered to listen to it.

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  17. Let the artist find the balance by moriya · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The artist should have a say as to whether they'd like to opt for a copy protection system that their holders/labels employ. At least this gives the artist the flexibility of being able to let their fans rip the CDs into mp3s for dumping into their portable players. Eventually all the record labels would then be able to gauge as to whether the system is worth the price to pay to "defeat" piracy.

  18. Wondering... by Karyyk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how many of the Sony bashers here have paid-for Sony products lying all over their abode? Just thinking out loud. Before this becomes a "Switchfoot sold-out" bashing thread, some of us might want to consider that we've done the same thing. Kudos to Switchfoot, Tim Foreman in particular. I'm sure they're aware that this will bring the Sony hounds on top of them, and they did it anyway. Oh, and if it's that easy to bypass the, ahem, "copy protection," Sony should get back to the corporate drawing board...

  19. Re:How will burning back affect quality? by slashnik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "burn the music back to CD and rip it again".

    The article suggests in option (c) copying the secure WMA files to the PC and then burning these WMA files to a standard CD, and then use iTunes to rip the songs.

    What's the quality going to be like after all this format conversion?

  20. CDs? by NewStarRising · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was under the impression that the CD ISO Standard does not include copy-protection.
    Any small-silver-disk that includes copy-protection could not be labelled as a 'CD', and must have the fact that it has copy-protection notified to the customer.
    Has this changed, or does this type of protection not break the CD Standard?

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    1. Re:CDs? by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I sucessfully returned a CD (Kasabian) to Amazon.co.uk

      My main argument in returning the CD was that the CD attempted to install unknown software onto my pc without my consent when I inserted it, and said software did not come with any way of unistalling - after taking advice from geeky friends, I uninstalled this driver by reverting to the last system restore point.

      Also at the time there was no indication of any copy protection on Amazon's product page.

      If everyone did that, they'd soon get the message.

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      My Karma: ran over your Dogma
      StrawberryFrog

    2. Re:CDs? by LordFnord · · Score: 2, Funny
      Nigel Kennedy's latest recording of the Four Seasons is like this. I'm not sure why, though, because although it plays and rips perfectly on every computer I own, the only CD player in the house (crufty old Cheapsui that must be easily 15 years old) just chokes and says "No disc".

      As a result, if you want to listen to this music in our front room, you have to turn on the chipped Xbox and listen to the MP3 rip through Media Centre.

      I'm not quite sure what all this DRM stuff is supposed to achieve, but whatever it is it's not working yet.

    3. Re:CDs? by Fweeky · · Score: 3, Informative

      Many CD-DA copy protection schemes like to munge error correction codes which make CD-ROM drives and ripping software very upset, but which most cheapo CD players don't even notice. These definately break the standards, hence many copy protected CD's lacking the CD-DA logo.

      It's just a shame these discs don't have to be clearly labelled by law as not being "real" audio CD's. I basically don't buy CD's any more because it's a crapshoot as to whether you get a real disc or not.

    4. Re:CDs? by Zocalo · · Score: 3, Informative
      That would be the so called "Red Book" specification which defines the audio CD format and certainly does not include copy protection in the spec. Most copy protection schemes out there involve deliberately breaking the Red Book specification by tampering with the data to prevent the audio being copied to PCs etc. Since adherance to the specifications is explicitly required to qualify for the "Compact Disc" logo on the box and disc, this is why you don't see that logo on music CDs as much as you used to. As an aside, simply auto-running an application from a data track, whether to try and "add value" by providing some multimedia content or make a lame attempt at DRM, is within the bounds of the relevant format ("Yellow Book", IIRC).

      All of which, given the title, is going to make it somwehat ironic if Texas' upcoming CD entitled "Red Book" includes any form of copy protection...

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    5. Re:CDs? by ettlz · · Score: 3, Interesting
      A trojan cd. I believe there's a criminal case...

      This is actually a good point. Did the grandparent contact the Police?

    6. Re:CDs? by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Informative

      they get away with it by using the CD-Text standard... it lets them put a "CD" logo on the disk... it takes a sharp eye to note that the word in the logo is "Text" and not "Audio". "Joe Public" doesn't know the difference anyway, he's been well trained to just look for the "CD" logo and not the actual standard.

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    7. Re:CDs? by ettlz · · Score: 2, Funny
      He did, but their response was "De doo doo doo de da da da is all I want to say to you."

      So they'd organise a sting operation, then?

  21. Re:So, are they any good? by Osty · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would it be worth it to me to buy their album as a way of showing my support for their being awesome?

    If only there was a way to register a reason why you're buying something when you buy it. Without that, you'd just be adding to the total number of sales, proving to Sony that consumers don't care about, or even like(!), this copy protection BS.

    My advice? Don't buy the CD. Even if you're a fan, don't buy it. The artists get barely anything from CD sales. Go see them live, or buy their songs off of iTunes or MSN Music or similar (I have no idea if they're listed on any online music service). The very last thing you should do is buy the CD if you want to show support.

  22. Re:Publicity Stunt by BackInIraq · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If sharing the music was such a big deal, why not just post everything as mp3s? Giving away publicly known information on bypassing copyright protection gives the band more publicity and probably won't increase the amount of avaliable media considering the rampant piracy already occuring.

    Well, while telling users how to circumvent the protection may or may not be a grey area (see DMCA), giving away the MP3's on their site is very much black and white: they (likely) do NOT have the legal right to do this. Their contract with their record company (likely) explicitly forbids it. And they are not worried about their fans' ability to SHARE the music, they just want their fans to be able to LISTEN to their music, on whatever devices they might own. So this would be the best way to help their paying fans make use of the CD's they have purchased. Switchfoot was never trying to give the album away.

    Oh, and while bypassing this protection may be common knowledge on /., there are hordes of people out there who do NOT know how to do this. Imagine for a moment that there is a subset of the human race that does visit the Switchfoot home page, but does not visit Slashdot...perhaps those very people are the ones the band was trying to inform.

    Though of course I'm just guessing.

  23. How stupid are Sony? by BenjyD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Something like 90% of my music listening is on my iPod: if I can't rip your music to my iPod in one easy step, I'm not going to buy your album. It's as simple as that.

    I'm sure that is true for a large number of people these days, most of whom are 18-35 with a reasonable disposable income: ie. exactly the kind of people that buy large numbers of CDs. It's amazing how companies can be so incredibly short sighted.

    1. Re:How stupid are Sony? by Seumas · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just skip the whole ordeal and buy my music from mp3search.ru for a dollar an album. No DRM. High quality MP3s. Huge selection. Works on all my hardware. Even for music I already owned, it was cheaper to go through that place than waste my time popping the disks in and out of my drive and waiting for the songs to burn.

      Sure, nobody involved in the making, promoting or distribution of the music gets a dime of it, but what the fuck do I care? The pushers of music don't get a fuck about me except as something to suck cash from. So why should I give a shit about them? And, luckily, I don't.

      Maybe I'll go to hell for it. I don't really care. I still buy CDs from really good indie bands who deserve it. But you're fucked if you think I'm going to stick $16 in the hands of some assholes still profiting off of music from an artist dead long ago.

  24. Do not buy those CDs or stop whining by jopet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As long as there is a market for selling copy protected CDs, companies will do that. If people are dumb enough to let companies impose all those restrictions on them and still buy the crap, complain to the idiots who do that. This is not much different to why you do not get a decent tasting apple in any supermarket: people will buy the nice looking, crappy tasting ones and that is why the do not sell anything else.

  25. In general good, but.. by Eivind · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Most of what he writes makes sense and is true, but he is a little bit overeager to put the blame on someone else:

    It is also unfortunate when bands such as ourselves, Foo Fighters, Coldplay, etc... (just a few of the new releases with copy protection) are the target of this criticism, when there is no possible way to avoid this new industry policy.

    This is bull. The artists are the original copyrigth-holder for their work. They choose to license it for publication by some record-company, or not. They are free to set whatever demands they want for this publication. (with the risk that if their demands are too stiff, the record-company will say: "no deal")

    Especially famous, well-selling artists have considerable leverage. If say Madonna (more realistically, her manager or whomever representing her) walks into a record-company and say she'd like to publish her new record with them, but one of the conditions is that it be released in standard CD-format, that the company would refuse to negotiate a contract.

    Artists do have a way of influencing record-companies. It may not be easy, and it may be that not all artists have a lot of negotiation-leverage all the time. But to claim, as he does here, that they have "no possible way" to influence things, is bullshit.

    1. Re:In general good, but.. by Dhalka226 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If say Madonna (more realistically, her manager or whomever representing her) walks into a record-company and say she'd like to publish her new record with them, but one of the conditions is that it be released in standard CD-format, that the company would refuse to negotiate a contract.

      If you're already a superstar at the contract negotiation phase, sure. If you're a new artist looking for exposure and you sign a four album deal and hit it huge after album #1, you're in trouble for three more.

    2. Re:In general good, but.. by Tom · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Especially famous, well-selling artists have considerable leverage.

      Not all. Most of them are under long-term contracts. Remember Prince? He didn't even own his own stage name.

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  26. If they really cared... by Jekler · · Score: 2, Informative

    If artists really cared about fans, freedom, etc. they wouldn't ink deals with the devil in the first place. Signing on with a big label isn't the only way to succeed in this world. I don't think they posted instructions like this against the label's wishes. Anything that happens within a label is the result of a marketing pow-wow. Some guy in a suit told them to post the instructions to further their rebel image and make them seem even more cool so they'll sell more albums.

    Wealth, fame, and integrity; pick two.

  27. Albums I would buy if they weren't "protected" by SageLikeFool · · Score: 3, Informative
    The following is a list of CD's that I haven't bought in the last few years because (at least here in Canada) they are copy protected CD's.

    Chemical Brothers: The Singles Double CD
    Chemical Brothers: Push the Button
    Fatboy Slim: Palookaville
    K-OS: Joyfull Rebellion
    Massive Attack: 100th Window
    Massive Attack: Danny the Dog Soundtrack
    A Perfect Circle: Emotive
    A Perfect Circle: Thirteen Steps
    Radiohead: Hail to the Theif
    Royksopp: The Understanding

    That is just off the top of my head. There may be more. I know I could probably circumvent the protection with a sharpie, but I prefer to not pay for something that is essentially a broken CD.

    The irony of it is at 15-20 $CDN a disc, the record companies have not only helped me choose to not give them a few hundred bucks but also managed to give me more reason to "pirate" that music all with one idiotic move.

    So what is it they are really trying to protect here? My wallet?

  28. Re:Switchfoot's own fault by @madeus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Newsflash: directors of publically held companies are legally obliged to put profit before everything else.

    The consequences of this fact and your above stated opinion are that the only faultless way of making money in a band is to self-publish


    That conclusion is incorrect because it presumes that implementing obtrusive 'DRM' (and alienating your user base in the process) is a good way to maximise profit. What evidence is available, not the least of which is the dominance of the iTMS and the iPod and the relative obscurity of competing stores and DRM enabled media players, as well as the overwhelming balance of consumer feedback, would seem to suggest otherwise.

    It is fair to say that Switchfoot bear responsibility if they knew Sony were engaging in this sort of behaviour before they signed (in that they 'did a deal with the devil' and can be expected to bear the consequences of their financial decisions).

    Of course it's entirely possible Switchfoot signed with Sony years ago before this practice became practice became commonplace, but - and it's possible I may be misjudging them, but frankly I doubt it - I rather suspect they would have found the pull of fame and fortune hard to resist and that they would have signed with Sony even if they had been fully aware their music was going to be distributed in this fashion.

  29. It's a by complex17 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    stupid idea anyway. The people buying the CDs are the people doing the RIGHT THING; I would say that only a small minority of those who buy/rip a CD will then bother to upload the songs to others via P2P. More importantly, these 'pirates' are going to get the songs off the CD somehow, regardless of copy protection: all copy protection is doing is putting a mild speed-bump in the way of small-time 'pirates' and pissing off the vast majority of people who are doing the right thing.

  30. For "Bobs" sake just turn auto run off. by TractorBarry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good grief are people STILL allowing autorun on Windows boxes ? Have they learnt nothing from the last ten years ?

    Every single time that anything is allowed to automatically run on Windows (opening email attachments, Word document macros) it's been a source of viruses and other crap. It's a fatally flawed idea.

    So just turn the bloody thing off (Google to find how for your version of Windows) If the CD contains drivers, etc. etc. then the worst you'll have to do is open the disc in Explorer and double click on something yourself. No big deal.

    Then again you could just hold down the shift key when you insert a CD.

    Bah.

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  31. Publicity? by gallondr00nk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Has anyone considered that this announcment could be made with the full cooperation of Sony? The label wins by having "underground" artists who supposedly don't buy into the corporate ethos - angst and pseudo anti-corporatism generates a lot of sales. Anyone worth their salt would find a way to circumvent copy protection this easy anyway, so the label doesn't really lose out.

      The artist gains from having that warm fuzzy feeling of "speaking out", and generating sales of course. They also have a shared voice with their fans, without lifting a finger.

    I'm not saying they don't care, i'm just saying this could easily be a publicity stunt. It's on /., so it has worked to some extent.

  32. Legality of installing malevolent software? by sapone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't it at the brink of illegality to install a DRIVER on a consumer's computer which the consumer doesn't want there and that only has negative effects for him? If there is not at least a dialog that warns about what is about to happen, I think the makers of such "trojan cds" are in trouble...

  33. Re:Good on switchfoot, but... by BenjyD · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, it comes in black too now.

  34. Why don't they tell Sony to sod off? by Morgaine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's nice to see bands standing up for their public against the wishes of their labels.

    Yeah, while still taking Sony's money and saying that it is "impossible" to change the system, and therefore supporting its continuation.

    Let's be honest here. They don't WANT to change the system, because they like Sony's cash too much.

    If they were genuine about being pro-fan, there is a hell of a lot that they could do about the situation.

    For a start they could tell Sony to sod off with the copy protection, or they'll go with another publisher. If Sony threatens them with litigation on the basis of the contract signed, then get together with other artists in the same situation and run a class action on the basis of such contracts being in restraint of trade.

    Sony (and other labels) are just distributors and promotors in this day and age when you can have a billion-track studio at home for peanuts, and hire in your mastering experts for a session. Yet, the labels want to own it all, for eternity. Bollocks.

    It's time that bands did something about it, or be branded money-grabbing hypocrits. The power to bring down the system is in their hands. Currently the majority just have no interest in using that power and getting rid of the old machine.

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    1. Re:Why don't they tell Sony to sod off? by AndersOSU · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem though isn't with the production side of things, it's with the distribution and promotion side. As long as radio stations (clear channel and MTV) only play major label artists if you want to be able to make a living as a musician you have to sign up with a label.

    2. Re:Why don't they tell Sony to sod off? by F_Scentura · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "If they were genuine about being pro-fan, there is a hell of a lot that they could do about the situation."

      They're also pro-feeding and clothing themselves. There's not a "hell of a lot" that they can do in the notoriously fickle recording industry.

    3. Re:Why don't they tell Sony to sod off? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's time that bands did something about it, or be branded money-grabbing hypocrits. The power to bring down the system is in their hands. Currently the majority just have no interest in using that power and getting rid of the old machine.

      That's all well and good. Would you risk your livelihood to stand up for a cause against a company to which you will almost certainly lose?

      Most people can't afford to put their lives on hold and lose years' worth (if not more) of income to take a moral stand.

      That might be sad, that might be selling out, but that's life. Most people can't afford to fight a crusade, and no sane person wants to be a martyr for a cause he probably can't win.

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    4. Re:Why don't they tell Sony to sod off? by KrackHouse · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I went to high school with those guys, they're really not greedy people. Sony is giving them a bad name though with the copy protection and the payola thing involving switchfoot.

      In fact, the fact that they are nice and trusting is probably what allowed Sony to sneak this under their radar.

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  35. Re:How will burning back affect quality? by psymastr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's gonna be such that you'll (unless you have bionic ears or some kind of hi-fi setup costing ten grand) not understand any difference from simply playing back the CD.

    I really can't understand why this audiophile crap has infected almost everyone. Just try it yourself people. Try it with *your* ears. I'm pretty sure you won't hear any difference.

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  36. Re:Another way to circumvent the copy protection.. by Aslan72 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's especially evil in this version of the copy protection is that the disc doesn't allow any programs that could burn it to run while the disc is in the drive. If you don't close the programs (like itunes/nero/etc.) the disc ejects and won't insert into your computer unless their closed.

    --pete

  37. Re:How will burning back affect quality? by NetFusion · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah if you want audiophile quality music, buy the cd.

    Oh wait..

  38. The thing is.... by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The thing is, I've bought a couple CD's with copy protection. Effectiveness of this copy protection is essentially NIL. If you either have CD Autorun disabled, or are using Linux, then you don't even know it's there. Disabling CD autorun is good anyway, why would it want my computer to automatically execute any CD I place in the drive? Basically, all you really need is for 1 person to figure out how to copy the music off the CD, and put it on some P2P network. Then, let the internet do the rest. I wonder if the people paying to put this crap on the CDs are actually aware of how bad it is a stopping piracy, and how good it is at pissing off normal everyday users who just want to copy the music to their mp3 player.

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  39. Wonder how long..... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wonder how long it will be till the RIAA starts suing their artists under the DMCA for "providing tools to break copyright protection". They already sue their customers, so why not?

    Guess that'll shoot to hell their insistence that "it's all for the artists!", though, huh?

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  40. Re:You mean... by LittleBigLui · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Intelligent responsible cannabis users are the silent majority. [...] George Soros [...]


    George Soros uses MJ? I know he's pro-reasonable-laws, but haven't heard yet that he's a consumer. -v, please?
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  41. Re:Not a good Idea by omega9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ** If these aretists - and others - were really so much interested in DRM-free music, why not make an appropriate deal with their label? Did these guys even try to tell their label that they wanted this CD without DRM?

    It's my understanding that Switchfoot originally signed with a smaller label that was later bought by Sony. For a band to sign a contract specificaly stating they do't want DRM no matter who may eventually own their contract would be extremely forward thinking and suprising.

    ** Are the artists prepared to lose sales to piracy or will they demand that their label pays them as promised?

    If the label has promised to pay them then there shouldn't be a demand to follow through, unless they can be declared in violation of their contract by their recent actions. Plus, even if they succomb to a little privacy it might mean they lose a few immediate sales but gain a wider audience, meaning possible larger crowds for concerts.

    ** Before a court, this entire piece is worthless. No judge will let some filesharing kiddies go free because the band itself endorsed DRM circumvention.

    I can see that happening, but it could take a lot. Switchfoot is more of an employee of Sony, and it may be determined thay don't have any authority on how to handle their CDs, i.e. speaking on behalf of their employer. On paper, Sony would be ultimately responsible, but I could see a court understanding that direct instruction from the band gives the appearance of legality.

    ** All this sounds like a cheap marketing move: "Look at us, we are really cool, freedom-loving anti-DRM guys!"

    If it is a marketing move I doubt it's cheap. Details are details but in the end Sony is no fan of p2p or copying in any form. It's tough to imagine they would go through the expense to copy protect discs and then have the bands leak info on how to get around it just to be "cool". It could be a ploy by the band I guess, but they've just opened the door to getting around not only their own album, but evey other Sony album protected in the same way, and Sony can't be happy about that.

    And for the record, though I do appreciate Switchfoot's recent actions, I'm no fan of their music.

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  42. Conditioning the public by Mysticeti · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Everyone" hates DRM and it's currently trivial to circumvent so the only reason I can think of to continue pushing it is to condition the public into accepting DRM's inevitability.

    1. Re:Conditioning the public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is trivial to circumvent, for the 200,000 or so people who regularly read Slashdot.

      It is not trivial to circumvent for many of the "average" consumers, though.

      The point of this type of DRM is not to prevent "piracy." The point is to create a situation where the "average" consumer, frustrated by their inability to copy their just-bought cd to their flashy mp3 player, turns around and buys the cd -again- from an online music source, like iTunes. This way Sony gets to make double the money on the same songs.

      Sony knows that a "pirate" will know how to circumvent DRM like this. Sony also knows that the average human being is not a pirate. What Sony is banking on is that enough average human beings won't know or won't take the time to learn how to circumvent this DRM. Sony hopes these people will just roll over and pay them even more money just to play songs they have already purchased.

  43. The only people it hurts are... by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The only people this hurts are...the people who PAID FOR A REAL CD.

    Everybody else will just download it, business as usual.

    "SONY - Hurting our legitimate customers...". What's wrong with this business model?

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  44. Who's setting up the PayPal defense fund? by wbren · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You or me? Because no matter how much money Sony has paid Switchfoot for its work, they won't have enough to fend off the RIAA lawyers when they get sued for copyright infringement.

    The best analogy I can come up with is this: A Microsoft exployee working on Windows XP discovers that Windows Genuine Advantage is about to be implemented and posts instructions on how to circumvent it. Microsoft is feeding him and his family, Sony is feeding Switchfoot and its members' families. The Microsoft employee and Switchfoot both gave up rights when they signed their respective contracts.

    As stupid and unjust as it may seem, Switchfoot has set themselves up for a major lawsuit.

    Or.... Maybe it's just a conspiracy.

    1. The RIAA told Switchfoot to post the story so they would get sued.
    2. The RIAA sues Switchfoot to "prove" bypassing DRM is illegal.
    3. Switchfoot's lawyers intentionally do a horrible job presenting their case in exchange for an RIAA pay off, and the RIAA wins.
    4. Precendent now says that bypassing the DRM on these discs is illegal.
    5. People are scared to post instructions on bypassing any form of DRM.
    6. Profit!

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  45. Run a free software OS and free software on that. by jbn-o · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's nothing to stop the harm as long as you run non-free software. The reason spyware, adware, and such can work is that nobody but the proprietor can inspect, share, and modify the program. This means that nobody else can distribute an improved version without the annoying or malicious parts of the program.

    So, even if one runs a free software operating system and runs non-free software on top of that, one is not safe from the harm of malicious software. The solution is to run a free software OS and run nothing but free software on top of that.

    As for DRM, the EFF has pointed out how DRM is already being leveraged against users. Fighting this will require more organization around the idea that one's customers don't deserve to be treated so shabbily.

  46. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

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  47. Returning broken CDs (in the UK) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This advice applies to the UK. (I am not a lawyer, but I have taken advice from one to exercise my statutory rights when it comes to returning copy-protected CDs that refused to play.)

    If something that a reasonable person would interpret as being a CD that ought to work (and that hasn't specifically been pointed out to you before you bought it; something a reasonable person would expect, like being in a big box marked "SCRATCHED CDs - 25p"; obscure labelling on the back that it ought to play, but might not, won't do) was bought by or for you, and won't play in your CD player (any of your CD players or anything that ought to play audio CDs, regardless of whether or not it plays in the shop's CD player), it can be returned, in a complete, reasonably as received state, opened or unopened, to the retailer for refund, repair or replacement, at YOUR option under the terms of the Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended), Section 14, (2B) (a): a failure to meet the "fitness for all the purposes for which goods of the kind in question are commonly supplied".

    You have a reasonable expectation; you buy an audio CD, or something that substantially appears to be one, it should play in things that play audio CDs. If it doesn't, you can take it back to the shop, regardless of whether or not it's been opened (how are you supposed to know if it plays without opening it? Psychic CD player?), within a "reasonable period" of time (exact limits are deliberately not rigidly defined, could be 28 days up to 6 years), and get a refund.

    You don't have to accept a replacement in lieu, and they can't refuse to give you a refund if you demand one.

    The shop does have to accept returns of opened CDs, if they are faulty and weren't marked specifically as faulty, or won't play.

    If the shop is inclined to push it, you may need to prove it won't play; if it really won't play, this shouldn't be a problem. Bring the player along, and some working CDs to demonstrate your player isn't at fault. And remember, it might play in the shop but that doesn't prove it doesn't play in yours. (This may be awkward in some cases, but don't let that put you off, it's not £18.99 worth of awkward, and that damn CD was.)

    You can demand a refund in cash. The shop can offer vouchers or a credit note, but if you demand, can't refuse to give you your cash back.

    The shop is liable, not the manufacturer/distributor; that's the shop's problem to sort out, in the return channel (and they don't want to have to, which is why they really don't want to have people knowing widely about this and quoting at them).

    In fact, you don't even need a store receipt; it would not be unreasonable for the shop to want some proof of purchase, but any proof of purchase will do (credit card receipt, bank statement showing transaction, cheque stub).

    If the shop flat out refuses to offer you a full refund in cash, threaten to call the local Trading Standards. If they still refuse, make the call to the Citizens Advice Bureau, and follow up in Trading Standards. You can make a claim in a Small Claims Court if you feel inclined to push it, and this is very cheap and does not require a solicitor.

    If even one person did this in a substantial minority of stores, distributors would no longer distribute protected discs in this territory. It wouldn't be worth the bloody hassle.

  48. Actually by idonthack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The "christian rock band" is just a front. It's not who they really are.

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  49. Limited user != full lockdown (was Re:Nice comment by Laebshade · · Score: 2, Informative

    A limited user windows XP account is not a full lockdown. There are many programs you can install without being logged in as administrator. Nearly all programs that are obtained in zip format, where you unzip and run them, work. Even regular programs will install, you just need to install to somewhere you have rw access to (My Documents/Programs is a good place). Unfortunately, some programs require changing system files or the registry, and they will not run. Some install programs also explicitedly require admin rights even though they don't need it, and won't let you install otherwise.

  50. Re:Home Recording Isn't The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You can record a band in a basement with $1000 worth of gear, a $1000 audio interface and Cubase, but it's not going to be good enough for production no matter what you do with it.

    Oh yes it is (good enough), in fact it's vastly better than required. You obviously haven't heard any home studio demos recently.

    Pretty much anything you make yourself with modern equipment can be turned into a smash hit by a pro mastering engineer. They're the only people worth their weight in gold, apart from the artists.

    If the studios and labels died tomorrow and were replaced by entirely separate mastering co-ops, CD+packaging contractors, and promotors working on a small commission basis, it would be no loss whatsoever, and a huge gain for the musicians' profits. No cartels tying artists into serfdom, just competing service providers.