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The Tech of Burning Man

Marc Merlin wrote:"Some of you have probably heard of burning man, but most of those who haven't gone probably don't know that saying that it's just a bunch of naked hippies meeting in the desert to smoke pot, is a very unfair description of the event. I have been writing reports of it for the last 4 years now (akin to the linux show reports I used to do), and my 2005 report is the biggest one yet (1440 pictures, and a fairly complete overview page, showing the highlights) You can also look at the burning man index page (with pictures from the sky), and look at my first 2002 report for a view as a first timer."

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  1. Boligatory South Park Quote by Relic · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hippies. They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.

    1. Re:Boligatory South Park Quote by Keebler71 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Ok, I'll admit it: although I had heard of Burning Man, I was only vaguely aware that it was some sort of festival. So of course I looked it up at wikipedia.

      Seemed like a pretty straight-forward hippie festival; I'm cool with that. Then I get to this part:

      Commerce Free Event. No cash transactions are allowed at Burning Man... The only commerce that has been allowed are sales of coffee and ice at Center Camp, which benefit the local Gerlach-Empire school system...Besides this, participants must buy tickets to attend the event. Tickets are sold through the Burning Man ticket website.

      At this point my irony meter pegs and I giggle incessantly through the remainder of the article.

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    2. Re:Boligatory South Park Quote by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny
      At this point my irony meter pegs and I giggle incessantly through the remainder of the article.

      Dorm room hippie: Fuck capitalism, man. Who needs that shit, when we can all just share the wealth, you know? Live off the land and pool our resources and shit.

      2nd dorm room hippie: Hey man, can I get a dime bag?

      Dorm room hippie: Sure man, $25.

      2nd dorm room hippie: Thanks.

      Dorm room hippie: It's like Huey Long and Karl Marx said, we should just share everything, man--just work together, you know?

      -Eric

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    3. Re:Boligatory South Park Quote by Faggot · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cut them some slack! You can't set up for and clean up after 20000 people without money. Its leave-no-trace ethic is unparalleled in any other festival -- even the Bureau of Land Management, who's been trying to squeeze them out for years, had to admit that the desert was impeccable 2 months after the event. The net profit from ticket sales goes to art endowments and the local school system.

      And as any Burner knows, the cost of the ticket is a drop in the bucket.

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    4. Re:Boligatory South Park Quote by rossifer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In both cases, there is nothing to prevent you from bringing your own supplies and making your own coffee or ice. In fact, this type of self-driven event preparation is highly encouraged.

      When it comes to ice, however, the hardware to produce it in any quantity would get expensive rather quickly. Which is the pretty much the point of them charging for it (can't clean up the desert after the party if you're broke).

      I do think that the burning man planners would like nothing less than to eliminate these two monetary transactions as well...

      Regards,
      Ross

    5. Re:Boligatory South Park Quote by Hyperkinetic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seemed like a pretty straight-forward hippie festival; I'm cool with that. Then I get to this part:

              Commerce Free Event.
              No cash transactions are allowed at Burning Man... The only commerce that has been allowed are sales of coffee and ice at Center Camp, which benefit the local Gerlach-Empire school system...Besides this, participants must buy tickets to attend the event. Tickets are sold through the Burning Man ticket website.

      At this point my irony meter pegs and I giggle incessantly through the remainder of the article.


      Vending of ice is absolutely critical to the survival of Burning Man. Remember this is a survival trip before anything else. Participants are responsible for supplying everything they need to survive the harsh desert. Everyone is living for a week or more out of ice chests. If there was no way to replenish the ice, food would spoil, many people would likely get sick, and the event would have to be canceled. No profit is made by the BM org, and all proceeds are donated to the local school system.

      It's unfortunate that anything has to be charged at all, but the ice is produced in Reno, 125 miles away, and has to be trucked in. That alone implies that there is a cost to the ice, and therefore has to be passed along to those consuming it.

      The coffee I can't defend, but I think it's an attempt to keep Thunderdome from being overun by grouchy burners who haven't had their morning fix of joe.

  2. Work safe or not work safe by BiAthlon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are naked hippies work safe?

    1. Re:Work safe or not work safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Depends on your line of work.

      If your job involves naked hippies, then, yes, it's fine.

      Also, if your job involves lots of naked hippy chicks, I would like a job interview.

    2. Re:Work safe or not work safe by orthogonal · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are naked hippies work safe?

      Most of them are so un-photogenic, your boss can't reasonably claim you had an prurient interest in them. And given the hairiness and man-boobs, you often can't even tell the women from the men.

      It's as safe as looking at photos of some Stone Age tribe in National Geographic. Except, in this case it's a tribe of "Aging Stoners".

    3. Re:Work safe or not work safe by shreevatsa · · Score: 2, Funny
      To quote from TFA:
      Day 3: Friday
      In addition to visiting more camps, I had to attend the two yearly rallies: first the critical dicks march, and later the critical tits bike ride, which was the largest one yet: it went on for 45 minutes. This is actually the first time I've heard men say "Ok, I've seen enough tits for today" :-)
      'Nuff said.
  3. Yikes! Pagan rituals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Uh. Ever considered that the whole burning man thing has its roots in paganism...

    1. Re:Yikes! Pagan rituals! by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Uh. Ever considered that the whole burning man thing has its roots in paganism...

      Uh. Ever consider that the whole Christmas season has its roots in paganism....

    2. Re:Yikes! Pagan rituals! by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Er, most christian festivals are from the pagan festivals, yes including Christmas. And the one that people think is a dirty pagan festival but is in fact christian is Halloween! Check wikipedia if you want...

      OK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

      The holiday was a day of religious festivities in various northern European pagan traditions, until it was appropriated by Christian missionaries (along with Christmas and Easter, two other traditional northern European pagan holidays) and given a Christian reinterpretation.

    3. Re:Yikes! Pagan rituals! by taniwha · · Score: 2, Interesting
      you say that like it's a bad thing .... I guess if you believe in a god that might be threatening, if you don't what you're saying is just propaganda

      Besides Burning Man is full of religion, drunken debauchery, wierd forms of transport but most important FIRE

  4. oh man by Naikrovek · · Score: 4, Funny

    dudes they are going DOWN. 1400 pictures, many of them on the front page! HAHA FEEL THE WRATH!

    "Burning Man"? no: "Burning Servers"!

  5. Peace, love, by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 4, Funny

    and Linux.

  6. I'm missing something by the_mighty_$ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since when does a few pictures of naked hippies become news for nerds and stuff that matters?!?

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    1. Re:I'm missing something by dr_dank · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hope my submitted story about the Sears Catalog having almost naked ladies gets approved now.

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    2. Re:I'm missing something by pjrc · · Score: 5, Informative
      I went to burning man for the first time this year... been curious for some time... finally talked my girlfriend into going. Playa dust aside, it really was a lot of fun. But it's not for everyone.

      This is a lot of very interesting home-made tech out there.

      I resisted the urge to build any large-scale project, though I did do a couple little things. I built some custom lighting for our two bikes, using a couple handfuls of LEDs and a little microcontroller and already-present wheel sensors (from those little bike trip monitors) to switch gradually between different colors as we ride.

      We stayed with a camp called Burnstream court. They had a sign that'd broken. They had a mail list, which we'd been on much of the year, and the guy who was working on repairing the sign was using little light bulbs and dreaming of someday "animating" them. Being an electrical engineer (and not being able to resist a cool project), I broght a little microcontroller board that I had solder several high current MOSFETs (and associated circuitry) into a prototype area. On the second day out there, he was working on putting all those little lights on the sign, and I gave them the board, hooked all the lights up to it, and wrote some code to sequence the lights. Everyone in the camp was really excited about the flashy sign. It was cool. It was fun.

      Yeah, I'm into creating stuff. Geeky, perhaps? (as opposed to the other geeky... playing video games... or ooggling over shiney new products).

      Thousands and thousands of other creative and highly inspired people (must moreso than me) so there every year. And you just can't imagine all the amazing and wacky things they create and build out there.

      Well, maybe you can sit back and imagine all sorts things. Surf though the tens of thousands of pictures people post, and feel like you know. But it really is something to see in person.

      There's amazing displays of technology, like the cubetron art piece, which had a 9x9x9 cube of LED-lit pingpong balls suspended on wires in a big cube shape, which lit up in mulitple colors in all sorts of interesting animated patterns. There were many, many other very interesting things people created and brought out there, and made work in such an unforgiving environment. It really is quite amazing.

      So if you're the sort of person who see tech and wonders "that's really cool, how'd they do that", or "I should of thought of that", or "I'd love to make something like that"... then you'll probably really like burning man. But if you're one of those people, who I personally wouldn't call true geeks but saddly inhabit slashdot, who sees tech and thinks "I can get that cheaper at walmart", then burning man is defintely not for you.

      Burning man is also about lots of other things than just building art and viewing and playing with art (much of the art is intended to be played with, unlike traditional art).

      For many people, burning man is about partying all night long. There's lots of people who set up bars, which give out free drinks when they're open (pretty much when they feel like it). There's also lots of camps that set up night clubs with lights and large sound systems. Perhaps hundreds of little ones for about 20 to 80 people to party, and on the ends of the city, dozens of huge ones where hundreds of people are dancing and partying all night long.

      For others, it's a more mellow social gathering. Lots of people hang out, play some musical instrument or just lounge around and be mellow. It seems like there's some pot smoking, but the cops to drive around and mionitor from the streets, so any drug usage is well out of ordinary sight.

      Some people, mostly those who've never been and will never go, just can't seem to see past nudity. Yes, some people go around with little or no clothing during the day, others wearing something provocative. And some are even "hotties" by conventional mass-media standards. But it really isn't that big a deal.

      There is a hippie

    3. Re:I'm missing something by superdude72 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So if you're the sort of person who see tech and wonders "that's really cool, how'd they do that", or "I should of thought of that", or "I'd love to make something like that"... then you'll probably really like burning man. But if you're one of those people, who I personally wouldn't call true geeks but saddly inhabit slashdot, who sees tech and thinks "I can get that cheaper at walmart", then burning man is defintely not for you.

      Holy false dichotomies, batman!

      Might there be *other* reasons people don't like Burning Man, besides being brain-dead, TV-besotted oafs who've lost the ability to think for themselves?

      The community of people who don't like rock concerts sponsored by Bud Lite is significantly larger than the Burning Man community, I would venture. As is the community of people who enjoy art. As is the anticorporate community. And the tech community.

      But some people just aren't into dressing up in dayglo cowboy BDSM outfits while camping in the desert for a week, and paying thousands of dollars (ticket + travel) to do so. Some people are put off by the number of "art" installations that involve getting naked in a hot tub with a 50-year-old tech entrepreneur, while there's some kind of light show and House music playing in the background.

      I'm not saying that that's all Burning Man is. Oh, no. But there are certain aesthetic guidelines that not everyone wants to follow. For instance, it helps if you like electronic music. And dressing up in costumes with a BDSM theme. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what you like. But don't pretend that Burning Man involves any more openness to new ideas than any other festival of tens of thousands of people. There is a pretty established aesthetic, and it's not everyone's cup of tea.

  7. yeah, I know by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Funny

    This group of hippies is different, man ... they're deep ...

  8. Re:And the tech is...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Er, as far as I could see the tech constisted of a digital camera, a few bicycles and some large gears. Please someone tell me I missed something and link me to the cool stuff!

  9. Stereotype? by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On the contrary, my stereotype of 'Burning Man' was, and is a bunch of Wired-reading Californian rich kids with iPods (*) and the like playing at being Pagans, and pretending to do the hippie thing for a few days.

    Not that dissimilar to the more bandwagon-jumping hippies in the 1960s, who went on to found large, corporate companies and sell out (a la "Ben and Jerries", one of the worst examples of corporate hippie culture), whilst living off their supposed hippie credentials. Plus ca change...

    (*) Okay, iPods are *way* mainstream now. Replace with whatever that pretentious rag is recommending they buy this month.

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    1. Re:Stereotype? by imsabbel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Strange.
      My stereotype was: Tons of pyromanics gather and burn down everything they can carry there....

      (might be biased because i first heard about that even on the website of one guy who wrote about how be burned 20 magnesium engine blocks from cars in a pit)

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    2. Re:Stereotype? by HardCase · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yep, I'm with you. My boss took a week's vacation from his $150K engineering job to drive his Hummer down. Of course, if he didn't have time to make the road trip, there was also an airstrip for all of the private planes, too.

      Judging from the (somewhat less then 1400) pictures that he brought back (and that we endured in our weekly department meeting), he wasn't atypical.

      It looked like a bunch of drunk and stoned rich kids (and more than a few parents) camping out in the middle of nowhere for a week and worshipping a few hardcore hippies.

      -h-

    3. Re:Stereotype? by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ah yes, the annual political battle at the Old Poole farm in Shwhenksville.

      Here is how the Conversation goes:
      Folkfest: "we're going to do it again this year"
      Residents: "No you arent, we cant stand the hippies"
      Folkfest: "Fine, then the poole family is going to sell the farmland to low-income housing deveolpers."
      Residents: "Dont be so hasty... we'll just ignore you for the weekend"

      The only reason that section of shwenksville is country-like is because of the poole farm. if that goes, it will be just another horrible suburbia.

      i've been a volunteer there the last 5 years, but had to miss this year, as i've got a 7 month old...

      the funniest thing, is the amount of "high level" people; CEO's and such that go there to get funky once a year.

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    4. Re:Stereotype? by GeckoX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apparently there is something fundamentally wrong with partying for a week.

      Though I fail to see what it is.

      Looks to me like a few tens of thousands of people had a great time for a week. And yet all we can find to do is criticise.

      Me thinks you all need to take a freaking vacation.

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    5. Re:Stereotype? by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funny, I didn't spot a single iPod in that gallery.

      Of course not; that's "so four years ago", which I believe I alluded to in the original message.

      If they have iPods, they're probably iPod Nanos which are discreetly stored up their left nostril.

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  10. mirror mirror mirror! by coolnicks · · Score: 2

    Not sure if the summary photo page will get slashdotted, she seems to be holding, but incase...here we go:

    http://data.coolnicks.co.uk/burningman

  11. &@%$# HIPPIES! by Turbofish · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's all just a bunch of tree-hugging hippie crap!

    (Sorry, had to get the Cartman quote out of my system.)

    Seriously though, who really cares about a bunch of brain damaged losers trying to save the world one reefer at a time?

    1. Re:&@%$# HIPPIES! by wwwillem · · Score: 2, Funny

      a bunch of tree-hugging hippie crap

      Let me get that straight ... trees in the desert?? and then a few thousand people that burn everything in sight??? Mmmmm, there better is some other hugging going on .... :-)

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  12. Re:Proving once again... by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Natural selection? I vote that they go back to "burning man" 1973 style.

    That should weed out the suburbanites from the real pagans (^_^)

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  13. A discussion I once had by ifwm · · Score: 4, Funny

    It went something like this

    Acquaintance: "Hey I went to Burning Man last week!"

    Me: "Why?"

    Acquaintance: (stunned by my question) "It's BURNING MAN!"

    It's so clear now.

    1. Re:A discussion I once had by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      it went something like this

      Acquaintance: "Hey I went to Burning Man last week!"

      Me: "Why?"

      Acquaintance: (stunned by my question) "It's BURNING MAN!"

      It's so clear now.


      Meh, one could easily put ...

      Acquaintance: "Hey I went to a Shuttle Launch last week!"

      Me: "Why?"

      Acquaintance: (stunned by my question) "It's A SHUTTLE LAUNCH!"

      It's so clear now.

      It is entirely possible that for some people it is of a sufficiently cool magnitude as to be self-evident as to why you'd go. Replace Shuttle Launch with Stone's Concert, Star Wars Movie, amusement park, or anything of your choice if it's not suitably attractive to you.
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    2. Re:A discussion I once had by ifwm · · Score: 4, Funny

      "It is entirely possible that for some people it is of a sufficiently cool magnitude as to be self-evident as to why you'd go"

      I agree, but we were talking about Burning Man, so I don't really see how that applies.

  14. Mirror by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Informative

    Coral cache seems to work fine.

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  15. A very technological experience indeed by SpaceGhost · · Score: 5, Informative

    In 2002 I had the distinct pleasure of attending both Siggraph in San Antonio and, about a month later, BurningMan. I found them both to be amazing examples of what the human mind can do.
    If you go to Siggraph just looking to see the people who made Spideman's butt look tight, that's all you'll see - but the hundreds of tiny forums and sessions with researchers exploring the edges of science is both enlightening and frightening.
    BurningMan may look like a big party in the desert, but unless you go, you just cant understand the experience. The most striking and important thing about BM is the "gift economy" - aside from ice and coffee, there is no money-based commerce. It's not even a barter economy - you can almost always find whatever you want or need, and quickly find yourself getting engaged in the societal lovefest. Even the law enforcement officers we met (and had to deal with after an assault in a neighbooring camp, a very unusal occurence there) were outstanding examples of restraint and respect. The only time Ive seen that level of public harmony and effort outside of BM has been in disasters, my personal experience being the volunteers for the Columbia Debris efforts and here at home on Houston, the Katrina relief efforts.
    That said, technologically, BM is a treasure trove of ideas and thoughts - there are many amazing technologies, it's many of the same people that I saw at Siggraph, but this time using their advanced knowledge and resources to delight and amaze their fellow citizens of Black Rock City.
    Siggraph and Burningman - I recommend both heartily and without reservation. Look for the beauty, it's not hiding at all.

    1. Re:A very technological experience indeed by PetriWessman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed.

      The thing that has struck me both the times I've been to Burning Man has been how nice everyone was. In today's all too cynical world, it's surprisingly refreshing to spend a week in a community that encourages people to be friendly and helpful to each other. Maybe it's the fact that the place is just so weird and the desert to hostile, people have more need than usual to be social. Or maybe it's a just an ongoing cultivated culture thing. Whatever, it works, and I like it.

  16. fucking sterotypes by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Just who is starting this bullshit sterotype of hippies becoming corporate types? I hear this bullshit all the time. I've known plenty of former hippies... most of them are still hippies, just without the obsession with drugs and other silly shit. But this sterotype of hippies starting big companies I hear mostly from people who are on the opposite end of the political spectrum.

    And regarding Ben & Jerry's... The same B&J that dropped a few products because making the product was giving the factory workers RSI? The B&J that started in a garage? The same B&J that donates 7.5% of its pre-tax profits to charities? The same B&J that's still doing this so many years later, even after having gone public and being acquired by a larger corporation? I don't know, maybe they have become corporate scum and should be hated by hippies, but I can't find any evidence of that after googling for a couple minutes. In fact, the only criticism of B&J's that I've found so far is by conservatives attacking their ideals. Forgive me if I'm a little skeptical of criticism of Ben & Jerry's coming from the fucking Cato Institute.

    Fucking hell man, I don't even LIKE hippies. They're extremists, and they piss me off. But don't even try to call them out regarding their integrity... 'cause damn, most criticism directed their way is from people who have no goddamn legs to stand on.

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    1. Re:fucking sterotypes by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It all comes down to the fact that Corporate types just don't understand a world that is not driven by money. They believe that everyone has a price. The also believe that everything has a price.

      The myth of the Hippies going whoreporate is a coping mechanism for cube dwellers. It makes them think that everyone eventually will adopt their lifestyle.

      What did happen in the 60s was a large number of maleable individuals tried adopting the Hippie lifestyle. Then they became disco freaks in the 70s before putting on collars and dress shoes to work as cogs in the great mill of capitalism.

      These were not the hippies. These were simply boomers. And if the ascetic lifestyle of Tibeten monks suddenly got popular you'd see a pile of 50 year olds on the street corner bumming rice.

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  17. Nooooo! You've got it all wrong! by asland · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some of you have probably heard of burning man, but most of those who haven't gone probably don't know that saying that it's just a bunch of naked hippies meeting in the desert to smoke pot, is a very unfair description of the event.

    This is such a horrible misconception. There are many other kinds of drugs available besides pot!

  18. "You Must Be This Cool To Attend This Event" by Petersko · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why taunt the slashdot dweebs? Most would feel out of place there even after taking the various pharmaceuticals available onsite. It's a party, and we know how well geeks do at parties.

    Imagine two people arguing through a thick mental fog of ecstasy, pot and a little ketamine over the question of which linux distro is more secure out of the box. Somebody would be bound to pants you.

  19. It's what you make it by PetriWessman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Burning Man is one of those things that's very hard to describe, mainly because it's pretty unique. Trying to stereotype it into a "naked hippies" thing is sort of like stereotyping Slashdot into "geeks who can't get laid" -- probably accurate for a small percentage, but not all that illuminating.

    This year was my second time there. It was different, calmer, but that's because of me not the event. Last year was mind-blowing -- and no, I didn't do drugs there (apart from a few random joints and lots of alcohol). This year I spent a lot more time socializing at camps and less time with the art, which left me feeling a bit art-deprived (but not too much).

    My impressions of this year? Less dust storms, I almost missed the constant whiteouts. Great art, better than last year. Cool stuff -- a small dome in the middle of the playa with a microphone and software that played harmonics based on the feedback. Hard to describe but very cool. A huge 3d cube "screensaver". Burning windmills. A very moving & emotional Temple, proving size does not matter. Lots of very cool people. The Group W bench (and Math Camp). The Moroccan double-decker bus from the always wonderful Bee People. The Barbie Death Camp & Wine Bistro.

    In other words: total gibberish to people who haven't been there. That's the way it is. It doesn't translate, even through pictures.

    It's an experience. Most people will hate it, it's not an easy "entertain us!" event for idle spectators and attention-deficit mindsets... and hey, camping for a week in the desert can get tough. At times you could scream about the playa dust getting everywhere. But for the people who love it, it's worth it many times over.

    Things I would change: the fucking motorized scooters. Annoying and they raise dust. Get rid of them. Also get rid of the tourists, the people who arrive just before the burn with videocams for shots of naked chicks. I'd tar & feather the bunch of them if I could. Spend the whole week there and get involved or keep out. It's not supposed to be an easy, convenient weekend experience.

    Oh, and Center Camp should only sell ice, not coffee. Dammit. :)

    1. Re:It's what you make it by Jethro · · Score: 3, Funny

      and no, I didn't do drugs there (apart from a few random joints and lots of alcohol).

      So what you mean by "didn't do drugs" is that you did, in fact, do a lot of drugs?

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  20. Jamie Zawinski said it better than I could have. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 5, Informative
    Quoting Jamie Zawinski:

    The hypocrisy of the Burning Man organization really pisses me off.

    Last year, rzr_grl registered as a pro photographer, and so she got the press kit, which was possibly the most hypocritical thing I've ever read. Basically, the Burning Man Organization's attitude is, "if you take a photo on the playa, we own it, and get to tell you when and where and how it can be published. Even if you take that photo of yourself, inside your tent, surrounded by your own stuff."

    Update: rzr_grl pointed out that I forgot the best part: they also demand a percentage of profit (10% or 20%) plus that you send them a copy of all photos, for them to use however they like.

    Which is not, in itself, necessarily a bad thing -- that's just a matter of contract. You buy the ticket, you camp on the land they rented, you submit to their rules, and their rules consist of a Disney-like protection of their brand. They try to protect the image of "Burning Man" in as structured and proprietary a way as Disney protects the mouse: you can be sure that Disney demands the same kind of submission the part of any press who take photos inside Disneyland.

    But the thing that really pisses me off is that they do all this -- they lay out this completely one-sided you-work-for-us lawyerly document -- and they fill the whole thing with an incredible amount of pomo hippie noise, in a sad attempt to disguise what they're actually saying! They go on at length about how they are viciously protecting their brand for your own good. And every other paragraph says stuff like "Larry Harvey -- dare we say it -- a Genius..."

    They're taking a totally standard, normal, corporate line toward their theme park -- but that idea embarrasses them, and would offend their clientele, so they cloak it up in bullshit and hope that everyone reading it will buy the lie that it's really some spontaneous group-hug, and not a theme park. (Try to listen to them explain why it's ok for them to charge money in center camp, but it's not ok for anyone else to do it without your brain melting with the incredulousness of it.)

    She really needs to find that press packet and type it in, it will make each and every one of you vomit, I promise.

    Now, you might say that the motivations are different, and that makes the intentional obfuscation ok, but A: it doesn't, and B: I don't think the motivations are different at all.

    Disney protects the mouse because the mouse's image is their whole business, and any change in how the mouse is viewed by the public could effect their ability to do their thing.

    Burning Man is no different. Disney protects their brand because if someone else exploited their park in a way they didn't like, it would no longer be projecting the image they want, and the park would no longer be profitable (or, "full of happy little kids" if you prefer to look at it that way.)

    I don't have any problem with that. What I have a problem with is the hypocrisy: Disney is at least honest about what they are doing and why. The Burning Man people went through such amazing verbal and mental gymnastics to avoid using the word "brand" it was comical.

    I've enjoyed Burning Man every time I've gone, but after reading that document, I'll be damned if they're getting another dime from me. Which is a major contributing factor to why I'm not going this year: I'd feel dirty giving them my money, and sneaking in sounds like just too much effort (given that I have little tolerance for roughing it.)

    I think someone should do Capitalism Camp: the theme of the camp will be to trade US Currency for Goods and Services. If anyone complains, tell them, "Dude, radical self-indulgence! Stop harshing my mellow!"

    Now, I am not complaining that Burning Man is about money and shouldn't be. I've got no problem with money.

    I think it would be cool if th

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  21. started in San Francisco by peter303 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The originally did it on Baker Beach. Lots of gay and Silicon Valley nerd content in the beginning. Then they dot.com arts scene joined. It got to big to do in S.F. and migrated to the Nevade desert.

  22. Not hippies by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but Bay Area yuppies who load up on Burning Man supplies at Costco.

  23. Burning man caused global warming by Hao+Wu · · Score: 3, Funny

    All that carbon released more than makes up the difference saved by hybrid cars and conservation.

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  24. Re:Hippie Cool by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The most obvious example is graphics tech, much of which was envisioned and invented at Evans & Sutherland in the 1960s, where a lot more funny stuff than pot was consumed. And the whole modern paradigm was produced by people at SRI, then injected into the zeitgeist by the "Homebrew Computing Club" members Jobs and Wozniak, no strangers to the waterpipe. And don't tell me that screensavers are the product of mere coffee and tobacco. Quite a lot of the tech we take for granted is the product of the imaginations of pioneers of "virtual reality".

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  25. Anyone says it's hippies smoking pot is wrong by wuice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All types of subcultures are represented there. All types of drugs are too. Other than that, your comment is right on the money.

  26. Not a hippie fest. by Vicsun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Recently a guy (sup blairerickson) on a forum I frequent posted a thread about the burning man. In an attempt to dispel some of the (usual) slashdot misinformation, I'm quoting some of what he said

    Burning Man is one of those events that a lot of people have heard of but few have any in-depth knowledge of unless you've actually been. So here's a thread to try and explain as many lingering questions people have about this strange phenomenon.

    How big is it?
    There were more than 35,000 people there last year.
    Here's a shot of the Playa (the place in Black Rock desert where it's held) from outerspace:

    And 's a random crowd shot to give you an idea of how many people are around any given street corner.

    Is everybody there all peace love and happiness type hippies?
    Nope. In fact quite the opposite. There are entire groups built on nothing but raw rage. But there are plenty of hippies too. For some people who go, a lot of Black Rock City is described as a cross between Survivor and Mad Max. Mad Max is the most common answer. Here's some photos to better explain why:

    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/Muytator2.jpg
    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/Thunderdome.jpg
    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/mutantvehicle.jp g
    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/Spinning.jpg

    Oh and then there's a group called the UberCarneys who built a giant device called the "Roaster Coaster" where they dropped spinning cages full of riders through a flame thrower while screaming over a megaphone about the sloppiness of its construction.
    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/roastercoaster1. jpg
    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/roastercoaster2. jpg
    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/roasterfire.jpg
    Supposedly they're doing something this year called "Unsafety Town"

    In addition to the flame throwers and anarchy, you can also expect a heavy dose of insane behaviour, giant displays of sexual debauchery, and liberal drug use. Just plain good fun.

    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/blowtorch-burn-b arrel_f.jpg
    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/IMG_1079.jpg
    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/IMG_1116.jpg
    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/IMG_0617.jpg
    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/BarbieDeathCamp. jpg
    http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/amacker-and-frie nd_f.jpg

    Is it all easy and fun?

    Not at all. Surviving in the middle of the Black Rock desert is pretty goddamn tough. You have to bring plenty of gear, supplies, water, and anything you can think of. And you will probably be injured at some point. Goes with the territory. Almost everyone I was with last year was injured. I ended up with a pretty gruesome stab wound (http://www.blairerickson.com/bman/kneescar.jpg) on my leg and a sprained ankle

    1. Re:Not a hippie fest. by cygnus · · Score: 2, Funny
      Black Rock City
      finally, something i can relate to.

      is the portal for that in the Depths or the Spire?

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    2. Re:Not a hippie fest. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've been on the playa 5 times now 1999-2004. The event is always a little different each year, always demanding and always worth it for me. We've taken people who dive into it like a fish to water and we've taken other people who got intimidated by all the wierd everywhere and just wouldn't leave camp.

      I've met smoked up hippies out there, and more burn-outs that I've ever met anywhere else, but at the same time, i've camped with a criminal psycologist that works with violent criminals, a group of cirqeu du soleil clowns, seattle politicians and grade school teachers.

      The event is not about what's there, but what you can add to what's there. It's a stone soup sort of gathering and when you have 35,000 people bringing out all of their cool stuff to show off, it's hard to describe. Do anything you want, be a rock star for a week, take on a new identity, exchange bad ideas with brilliant people, or simply spend an evening looking for someone with a high intensity laser to light a cigarette for you. Go be a barista, go play some live action pac-man, go be a bartender, a pole dancer, or a mystic.

      Lots of drugs, lots of art, lots of cool tech, lots of sex, but lots and lots of enthusiasm and good will. Someone posted that they'd not seen people get along so well except during disasters - that's not a bad comparison. I think the phrase that's used over and over is orchestrated chaos.

      If you don't see the point, don't go. If you're curious and have the cohones to make it out there with a few bad ideas of your own, you'll be welcome.

  27. My Burning Man article and photos by Nostravinci · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ok, at the risk of burning my server down, here is my article and photos of Burning Man.

    Not really tech related, but it offers my virgin experience at Burning Man this year, so some of you may enjoy another perspective.

    It comes from my heart:

    http://lecter.org/fotos/BM05/

    Enjoy!

    Jim

  28. Re:Jamie Zawinski said it better than I could have by eh2o · · Score: 3, Informative

    You sir have no idea what you are talking about.

    Burning Man is NOT anarchy and has never claimed to be. Its not a free market, quite the contrary. Rules exist for a damned good reason, and this one in particular is supported by an overwhelming majority of participants. Until people think its "cool" for Fox News to broadcast live coverage from the Playa, until people think its "cool" for 2-bit pornographers to shoot footage of naked people for profit, that rule is not going to change. People go to Burning Man to have fun, not to be the animals in a media circus.

    Yes, Burning Man is a (non-profit) corporation. They annually raise and spend millions of dollars on the event. They deal with nasty legal problems and miles of beurocratic tape to make it happen. Comparing them to Disney is totally absurd.

    If you don't agree to the terms then don't go there. Everyone knows the rules. They are published well in advance on their website. If you don't agree, then don't go. Its called a choice. If you are a pro photographer and you want to shoot naked people in funny costumes without rights-encumberment, then hire some models.

  29. Best Burning Man Quote Ever by szquirrel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Style is everything at one of these burns. Appearances count. Any idiot can pick up a tiki torch at a Home Depot and wave it around like a deranged circus clown; it takes talent and panache in abundance to dig a five-foot-wide hole in the ground, dump in an engine block from a scrapped VW bug and set it on fire, then exhort onlookers -- with bullhorns -- to "Look away from the fire; it is many times brighter than the sun, and it will destroy your eyes." Yes, kids, burning magnesium is fun, but the consequences are dire: magnesium burns at 1,200 degrees Fahrenheit and reacts explosively with certain salt nitrates. Good thing, then, that our fellows at Burning Man protected onlookers from the burning block by partially burying it in an alkali lakebed.

    Shamelessly stolen from Pigdog.

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  30. Brum brum brum!!! by Dogtanian · · Score: 3, Funny

    Have _you_ gone to burningman?

    No, I think he went to Birmingham by mistake; that's why he was pissed off.

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  31. Three Kinds of Burning Man Experiences by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. Party - this really kicks off with the Thursday crowd that hangs till Sunday - so if you're in party mood, don't go earlier. Or stay home. Yeah, I like that ...

    2. Art - a lot of the art is more accessible and organic early on, so best seen Tuesday to Saturday - by Saturday afternoon it's way too party to bother.

    3. Drugs - not really into that, but if this is your style, then sleep during the afternoon heat and stay up till dawn and you'll have lots of fun - the dancing till dawn part is cool tho and my fave experience was finding my flourescent green artists tube (transparent) when twirled at a giant black light music piece off in the desert with windsocks around - well, it vibrated and the dust from the playa really made it glow like mad - must be the desert salts ...

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  32. Burning Man Art Gallery by NetDrain · · Score: 2, Informative

    The festival is about many things, but I tried to capture the art (for the most part).

    My online gallery is here.

    Truly, the art is largely done by a bunch of geeks -- from the 9x9x9 "display" of ping-pong balls with three LEDs in each that can display any color on the rainbow, running a whole slew of programs that showed off the three-dimensional aspect of the project (Cubatron) (think rotating planes in the XYZ axes in three colors all at once) to the otherworldly Alien Semaphore, whose light/arm movements were user-programmable through a control panel near the front. Or The Machine whose top would rotate and arms slowly raise when all three turnstyles were rotated in the proper direction simultaneously through a tremendously complex system of gears. It was all simply incredible.

  33. Re:I'll bite... by michaelredux · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been to Burning Man, and it's not that easy to write a "fair description" in 100 words or less. Although I saw the "nuked" page, and it seems fair, the pictures are great, and he probably uses more than 100 words. (wait for the slashdot effect to cool off, the site will recover). It's tempting to say "These are not the droids you are looking for, move along...", but you asked nicely, so I'll try to offer a short description.

    Burning Man is gathering of about thirty-five thousand people for a week-long art festival on a dry lake-bed in the Nevada desert. The alkaki dust doesn't form dunes, and no bug or blade of grass can live on it. Miles of flat dry mud form a blank canvas, fresh every year.

    Participants bring amazing sculptures and structures of all kinds to the desert, some huge projects, like towering temples and mazes full of art, a gigantic Tesla coil throwing unbelievable lightening bolts, giant sculptures made of laser-light, and thousands of small creative expressions everywhere, crazy costumes and ad-hoc fire-spinning and music jams. I've seen huge vehicles that look like a 100-foot long fire-breathing dragon or a full-sized pirate ship with dozens of people and a rocking party on top. Some people play dance-music or drums late into the night. Earplugs are recommended.

    You must bring with you everything you need, not just to survive, but to thrive. And when the event is over, you take everything home, and leave no trace. Just planning your packing list for a week in the desert can be enlightening, but learning to "leave no trace" can be equally educational. No exchange of money is allowed during the event. (with minor exceptions) And although it's a simple concept, I believe it has a profoundly liberating effect on attitudes of participants. This is one of those things that really can not be adequately described in 100 words or less, but really has to be experienced.

    Buring Man is a celebration of each individuals' uniqueness, amazing diversity, creativity, skills, humor and generosity. The experience of becoming a participant, not just a spectator, is what really makes Burning Man different. The process seems simple, but Burning Man has subtly changed how I think about my own creativity, self-expression, and citizenship. Perhaps trite, but true, more than almost anything, what you get out of Burning Man totally depends on what you put into it, and every person's experience will be different.

  34. Not quite by speck · · Score: 2, Informative

    It actually moved out to the Black Rock desert in 1990, well before the dot-com boom. Dot-commers were very well represented during the boom, though, largely because they had scads of imaginary money to spend on supplies.

    Here's a timeline. Note that they were only at around 800 people when it got too big for Baker Beach.

    My favorite phrase from this year's burn: "Burning Man nostalgia isn't as cool as it used to be."