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Microsoft And JBoss Collaborate On Server Software
wellington map wrote to mention a C|Net article discussing a collaboration between Microsoft and JBoss, intended to ensure their server software is more interoperable. From the article: "Microsoft has struggled to deal with the arrival of open-source software, which is collaboratively developed with a code-sharing process that stands in stark contrast to the secrecy that shrouds most of the products from Microsoft and other proprietary software makers. After several attacks on the intellectual-property foundations and the methods, quality and cost of open-source software, Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft has begun a more cooperative phase."
What is the appropriate response when you are offered a hand that started out with a knife in it?
Idiot.
I'm sure Microsoft has some plan for assimilation (this is not meant to be a troll or a flame). Hopefully this doesn't turn out like J# where Microsoft put in their own proprietary libraries that developers built on thinking they were building Java applications that could run on any JVM.
Bradley Holt
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"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
Products from the two companies are similar in purpose, but very different in design. The JBoss application server, based on Java, runs on Windows, Linux and Unix systems. Microsoft's Windows-based application server tools, based on the company's .Net programming model, are part of its Windows Server operating system.
Oh, well that explains everything. One product runs everywhere, the other runs only on Windows. See? They're different!
Don't worry, though. Microsoft is working hard to correct the problem. Once they "make sure that JBoss runs well on Windows", both products will be very similar. After all, who needs Linux and Unix support?
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I think this has got nothing to do with FOSS but everything to do with IBM. Hitting on Websphere will be hitting on IBM's one of the server product. If you look at Microsoft website, it always compares .Net with Websphere. By collaborating with open source product MS will kill two birds in one stone. MS open source supporter and other kill websphere as much as possible by promoting an open source product.
1) Denial
2) Anger
3) Bargaining — Microsoft, you are HERE.
4) Depression
5) Acceptance
Hey, at least they're working the program. Who would have imagined 2 years ago that they would even acknowledge open source, let alone cooperate. The next 2 steps will be rough for them.
Bill Gate's saying is:
"If you can't beat 'em, have Steve Balmer fling a chair at them.
That is all about positioning of windows servers. That is all. It says nothing about their embrace of open source. The market wants to run some Jboss. MS wants to sell some server licenses. While they do this to help themselves, they can still slam java, open source, and move people from java to .net all while they position server 2003 as a worthy jboss host.
MS: Let's work with JBos to interoperate more cleanly. Once we're done, we can always change the way ours works ... I mean improve on our protocols. Our customers can now use Windows and .NET to talk to JBoss, while JBoss users can't talk to our stuff. It's brilliant, as it makes JBoss look bad. Further, it will slow down the JBoss developers who will have to spend more time playing catch-up, while setting them up so that even if they change their own protocols in a game of tit-for-tat, we can point to them and say, "look, the JBoss developers deliberately broke compatibility with our software -- aren't they evil!".
"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."
Sun Tzu (probably maybe)
I have plenty of common sense, I just choose to ignore it. -- Calvin
"Embrace, extend, and extinguish" mean anything to you?
Good point. Here's a summary of JBoss. Its a J2EE application server. Translation: it runs server side java code for websites and web services (servlets, jsp, jsf, enterprise java beans, more buzzwords) Its kind of like ASP.NET's runtime equivalent in java. Sun, Oracle, HP and several other companies make competing products. PHP folk make recognize it as a bloated service thats used to run code you can just write in PHP as a script. (i don't like php, but its a fair assessment for smaller projects) JBoss is included in Mac OS X and Mac OS X server (10.4).
A little more information:
JBoss is a greedy project which used to charge people for the documentation! Yes, it was free and open source to download jboss but the documention was $$$. Most people don't even know what J2EE is and can get away with running Apache Tomcat, Resin, or Jetty. In fact, JBoss uses apache tomcat.
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THEN they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
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JBOSS still IS free. And thanks to the real OSS license will remain so.