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Sharp LCD Display with 1,000,000:1 Contrast Ratio

i4u writes "Sharp announces in Japan that it has developed a LCD display with the world's highest contrast ratio of 1,000,000:1. The Sharp ASV Premium LCD display panel has a size of 37 inch, 1920x1080 pixel resolution and a brightness of 500cd/m2. Sharp aims the Mega Contrast LCD display at the professional TV and movie production industry. For comparison the Canon and Toshiba developed SED TV has 100,000:1 contrast ratio."

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  1. WARNING by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do not look into the Sharp LCD Display with your remaining eye.

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    1. Re:WARNING by Eccles · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nigel Tufnel: It's like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black.

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    2. Re:WARNING by Anpheus · · Score: 5, Funny

      We should be aiming for 0 K black body emissions or else it doesn't have enough contrast for me. I demand the best.

    3. Re:WARNING by ePhil_One · · Score: 2, Funny
      We should be aiming for 0 K black body emissions or else it doesn't have enough contrast for me. I demand the best.

      Quantum singularity. It should be so black it actually sucks the light out of neighboring pixels.

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  2. my eye does not meet its requirements by bariswheel · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't think my eyes are good enough for that...I'll have to have another talk with my lasik surgeon that cheap rat bastard...

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    1. Re:my eye does not meet its requirements by timeOday · · Score: 4, Funny

      And how am I even supposed to know how much improvement this provides over my current monitor when the article does not provide a screenshot of the new monitor!? Let's face it, there hasn't been any improvement in displays during my lifetime. Every time I see a TV commercial for the latest high-tech TV, its brightness and clarity is at most 50% better than the TV I have now, subjectively, and that just isn't worth my hard-earned cash. Not when I can put the money where it really makes a difference, like expensive wine, high-end audio equipment, and Nike shoes.

    2. Re:my eye does not meet its requirements by oc255 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. That was funny as crap.

      Although those Aqous TV ads are trying to do exactly what the grandparent was joking about: Sell image quality through bad image quality devices. I always thought it was such a stalemate.

      Although people go to the movies every once and a while and maybe they'd notice the gap between the big screen and their dated tube. Maybe that's why "home theater" was coined. It was a good way to describe that clear picture you remember from the real cinema.
      1. Go to movies
      2. See pretty picture
      3. Point at screen, "me want that"
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      5. Profit!

      Maybe eventually you'd be influenced by peers if you visited their houses (dinner party etc) and saw their screens. If everyone had 800" wall TVs (see Total Recall) that looked crystal clear, I'd probably wonder what I'm doing with a tube on a table. The disparity would probably influence me.

      But at the same time it's not like an iPod where you see white earbuds everywhere. It's not so 'public'. Meh, getting OT.

  3. Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sharp announces that it has developed a LCD display with the world's highest contrast ratio of 1,000,000:1.

    The Sharp ASV Premium LCD display panel has a size of 37 inch, 1920x1080 pixel resolution and a brightness of 500cd/m2.
    Sharp aims the Mega Contrast LCD display at the professional TV and movie production industry. Message to Sharp: I also want a LCD display that works well in bright rooms. No word on when this new Sharp ASV Premium LCD displays will be available.
    The highest contrast ratio we reported so far about was 100,000:1 reached by a SED TV developed by Canon and Toshiba.
    More details in this Sharp press-release (Japanese).

    110 words, the rest is ads. What an absolutely useless website.

    1. Re:Article by screwballicus · · Score: 4, Funny

      110 words, the rest is ads. What an absolutely useless website.

      This ignores the fact that these 110 words are themselves basically an ad for the product. My thoughts were something more along the lines of "a 110 word ad, paid for by a plethora of ads surrounding it. What an absolutely useless website."

    2. Re:Article by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Funny


      Never mind the descriptions - give me the SCREENSHOTS! I want to see how good this quality is.

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  4. Contrast Ratio by mysqlrocks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doesn't this start to become meaningless at a certain point? I mean, is 1,000,000:1 really any noticeably better than 100,000:1?

    1. Re:Contrast Ratio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, it is ten times better, it really is.

    2. Re:Contrast Ratio by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Doesn't this start to become meaningless at a certain point? I mean, is 1,000,000:1 really any noticeably better than 100,000:1?

      It's very meaningful from a technology accessibility perspective (the "trickle down" theory) - right now at the consumer level sets and computer monitors are offering with 400:1 to 600:1 contrast ratios. As they develop technologies at the extreme ends, it tends to push down prior accomplishments - this might be the sort of achievement that yields us economical 2000:1 displays.

    3. Re:Contrast Ratio by jong99 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The eye has a maximum contrast ratio of 1,000,000:1. There may be little perceptable difference between the two, but the closer the better.

    4. Re:Contrast Ratio by Mprx · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, because the human eye sees brightness on a log scale, so we have a very large brightness sensitivity range. The contrast ratio of staring directly at the sun: the dimmest light we can see is about 1e13:1, so this display has a long way to go to duplicate contrasts visible IRL.

    5. Re:Contrast Ratio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      But we are talking about contrast here. Put the the sun next to the dimmest light we can see and I bet the eye can't see the that dimmest light again.

    6. Re:Contrast Ratio by nonlnear · · Score: 2, Informative
      [turns off funny detector]

      If it was as bright as the sun you would probably need a fusion reactor to power it!

      Actually, a typical welding arc is brighter than the sun, and doesn't take nearly that much power. Now, to be as bright as the surface of the sun...

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    7. Re:Contrast Ratio by feyhunde · · Score: 3, Informative
      It is meaningless! Ex-monitor R&D guy here.

      But not for sensitivity.

      The 1 million to one ratio has been beat by OLED screens that have an infinite Contrast ratio. But what folks need to know is there are are in fact 2 contrast ratios. Essentially you can call it dark and light room contrast. For Dark room, it's simple, maximum brightness/maximum darkness as measured in a photonics unit. . Usually you do it over 9 points on the screen and mix min brightness and min darkness for an average. When you look at manufacture's ads, this is the number you see. An LCD can be between 100 and 1000 in this number. The lost is because of LCD leakage, where the black isn't quite black and lets a small percent of light out.

      Now the real number is the light room. And Nothing is that good in Light Room. If you shine a light on an screen, you will get a fair amount back. Most LCD screens drop a factor of 10 or more in CR. Very good LCDs have an effective CR of 10-100. It's easy enough to tell the difference between white and black even with a CR of around 2. But you can tell the difference between a CR of 2, 10 and 100 even untrained. So what happens is PR hacks put out the million number, which is even more meaningless as the common methodology has the instruments not able to detect beyond the 10,000 mark. The real number is always worse...

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  5. Black? by R2P2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if this thing can do black that actually looks black, or if it just gets the high contrast ratio by being able to produce whites brighter than the sun?

    1. Re:Black? by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 3, Informative

      I wonder if this thing can do black that actually looks black, or if it just gets the high contrast ratio by being able to produce whites brighter than the sun?

      it has a brightness of 500cd/m2. still too light for me, but much better than 1000cd/m2 which are far more copmmon.

      and by the way: original announcement. Why They are posting links to such crap websites in the original story?

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    2. Re:Black? by Orgasmatron · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Slashdot relies on user submitted stories.

      This one was submitted by a user named "i4u" and the links were to (drum roll please), i4u.com.

      You visit a shitty site on the way to the press release, and i4u gets impressions on their banners.

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    3. Re:Black? by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 3, Informative
      Wait, +5 Informative? Sorry to drop the ball on this guy - but he has no clue what he is talking about.

      500cd/m2 brightness is pretty nice for an LCD display - since most of the LCD display's on the market right now are 250cd/m2 - 300cd/m2. To get a brightness of 1000cd/m2 you are looking at a Plasma Display, which is useless as a computer monitor (too large generally, burn-in issues, and even higher-resolution Plasma displays make text look like shit).

      So, 1000cd/m2 brightness it NOT common in LCD Displays currently.

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  6. What the heck does that mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "#000000" = black hole; do not touch screen or you'll lose a finger as not even light can escape a black pixel on this display

    "#ffffff" = surface of sun; again, do not touch. In fact, wear these protective goggles.

    1. Re:What the heck does that mean? by aug24 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Reminds me of the bash.org snippet:

      "What does whiter than white mean?"
      "#GGGGGG"

      J.

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  7. Announcements I'd like to read instead by core · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about "manufacturer releases LCD display where pixels don't commit suicide as soon as you look at the screen sideways"

    Or "manufacturer releases LCD display where black is black, not grayish"

    Or "manufacturer releases LCD display that is actually usable in a heavily lit environment"

    Even for movie professionals I'd guess that this is at least as important as being able to see sweat pores on an actress' skin :P

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  8. Do you actually think this is a display? by ProppaT · · Score: 3, Funny

    (1) 1x10^6:1 LCD screen + (1) monkey holding a magnifying glass = "Tartar Word Domination!!!"

    You could frickin' blow up the moon with that laser.

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  9. It can be handy by DrYak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe not for the average gaming home application.

    But in medecine/radiology it can be really useful : makes it easier to spot small subtle differences between to shades of gray on a X-ray pic, when these are located on a larger scale.

    i.e.: when an X-ray image has ~1000 shades of gray, and clinically significant information lies in features that are only 2 or 3 levels appart.

    You must either use a high contrast display (like this one, or "special for radiology high contrast CRT", or "printed on transparent film and then displayed with ultra-bright backlight")
    Or play a lot with contrast & lightning parameters until selected window makes the differences less subtle.
    Or even better, use both technique at once. ...

    Also, I'm sure the pr0n industy will find a way to do something useful out of such screens.

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    1. Re:It can be handy by TheOldSchooler · · Score: 2, Funny

      This will be a real boon to the medical industry, especially Dr. Nick. "And those smudges that look like my fingerprints... that's trauma!"

  10. Useless specifications by smartalix · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a bullshit spec, as are 90% of all specifications given with LCD, Plasma, and any other non-CRT display technology in existence. (The CRT guys woulds lie too if their tech weren't so mature.)

    Contrast ratio, brightness, and screen-performance information are generated by suing highly tailored test patterns and performance benchmarks that have little to do with the real image, but a lot to do with published specs.

    For example, depending on how the technology responds, the contrast ratio test may consist of a white square, box, or dot on a black field, or a measured sequence of black-to-white screens, with the measured difference in brightness given as the contrast ratio.

    The best analogy is speaker specs, which unless they are linked to recognized performance specifications (like frequency response given as plus/minus decibel variance from 20 to 20,000 Hz), are completely misleading. A speaker advertised as delivering 500 Watts may only be able to handle that much power as a transient, and even then a speaker can only "deliver" the power fed into it, which means you also need a 500-W amplifier.

    A very good example was at the latest Society for Information Display (www.sid.org) show. Samsung had both the largest LCD and the largest Plasma in existence at the show, and although the brightness and contrast "specs" for the Plasma was greater, the LCD obviously had a brighter and sharper image in operation. True, the blacks were better in the Plasma, but that was the only visible distinction to the discerning viewer and only shows how little a guarantor of performance a high contrast rating is.

    This news is certainly encouraging information, and will certainly result in a better-performing display appearing on our shelves soon. But to look at any given spec and shout "halleluia!" is being overly generous.

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  11. Obligatory Linus quote by halleluja · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have _never_ seen a display that was both big enough to be useful _and_ accurate.

  12. This is about that by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, this article is about one of the points you raised. The display has fairly high pixel dimensions, but since it's a very large display it's not actually that high resolution. It's nothing fancy in that regard - no pores on skin here.

    What it *does* do, according to the spec, is solve the greyish blacks and muddy whites problem. Comprehensively. That's what a contrast ratio means - it's the ratio in brightness between the brightest white and darkest black the display can produce /at the same time/.

  13. Re:How is contrast ratio measured? by BenjyD · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think the point is that LCDs don't produce a black pixel, because they work by blocking the light from a lamp behind the screen with a thin film of liquid crystal. They always allow some light through, hence the grey appearance of cheap LCDs

  14. Not that good contrast, really by Sulka · · Score: 3, Funny

    I saw a photo of the screen on a website and the contrast looks exactly like my current screen. Where's the improvement?

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  15. Frickin' laser beams by John+Jorsett · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does any else get the mental image of turning on this monitor and suddenly having every square inch of one's face pierced by tiny little pixel-sized laser beams?

  16. Inaccurate Analysis by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You don't care about the min and max here, because the amount of brightness your eye can discern depends on the dialation of your pupil. What matters is the amount you can discern at any given pupil dialation, which is much mushc smaller.

    For example, Go into a brightly lit room and try to differentiate between 10 subtle shades of black. Or go into a dimly lit room and try to discern between 10 subtle shades of white.

    1. Re:Inaccurate Analysis by jackbird · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yes, but the point of these monitors is to enable film compositors to work at something approaching the contrast ratio of the final product. More and more pipelines are switching from 8 and 16 bits per channel color measured on arbitrary scales to either logarithmic or 16/32 bit per channel floating point color, thanks in large part to Paul Debevec's work with high dynamic range imaging. In this scenario, the monitor itself clamps the brightness to an unacceptably narrow range, and this monitor is a solution.

      This is not targeted at the home computer user. This is a technology for high-end video gear, and a few years down the road, for high-end home theaters (assuming anything gets released to the public in a yet-to-be-determined HDR video format).

      Above the contrast ratio of film or DLP projection, I'll agree it's close to useless, however. Unless some exotic sci/med visualization stuff needs it.

    2. Re:Inaccurate Analysis by DrJimbo · · Score: 2, Informative
      brunes69 said:
      What matters is the amount you can discern at any given pupil dialation, which is much [much] smaller.
      For electronic picture frame applications you may be correct, but as one of the many people who want to watch movies on their electronic displays, I want to be able to see the brightly lit scenes and the dark scenes in movies without having to get up and fiddle with the brightness and contrast of my 500:1 LCD display.

      I've been using this display for two years and I love it to death but I must admit that the limited contrast ratio is the biggest drawback.

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  17. Siggraph 2004 by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There was a paper presented in SIGGRAPH 2004 about two High Dynamic Range Display Systems (PDF*). One system was a projector shining into a LCD. It is theoretically possible to have a contrast ratio of c*d:1 where the projector has a ratio of c:1 and the LCD has a ratio of d:1. I have found a projector that has a ratio 7000:1 and a LCD television with a ratio of 900:1. Combining them could possibly give a contrast ratio of 6,300,000:1. I believe there is some merit in having c and d be close to each other, so this theoretical 6.3 million to one ratio should be taken with a mountain of salt.

    It should be duely noted that the projector-LCD system presented in the link has a measured ratio of about 54,000:1 as opposed to the theoretical 200,000:1 ratio. However, I plan to build a $3000 display with a ratio of about 70,000:1. The projector-LCD systems have the advantage of being able to take high precision illumination values. You effectively double the amount of information that can be fed into the display by having two "screens" (the projector and the LCD). Perhaps those who want to experiment with HDR imaging and do not mind a bit of bluring should consider building one of these $1500-$5000 setups, as opposed to those 100,000:1 or 1,000,000:1 displays.

    For those who have sunglasses, happy hacking.

    *I would have given a HTML link if the Authors' links were functional.

  18. I guess that's like a "GUI User Interface" by mjeppsen · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hmm, "LCD Display"...that must be something like a "GUI User Interface". Can we mod the original story as "Redundant"? :-)

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  19. How much contrast is ehough? by Richard+Kirk · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Bright sunlight is about 120 000 lux. We can see some detail in starlight at about 0.0003 lux. If you want to cover the entire range of the eye, then about 10^9:1 ought to do it.

    This, of course, is rather silly. We cannot see simultaneous contrast of a billion to one. Our retina is not black, so the light will scatter around in the eye, and give us a flare signal of about a percent or so. We are used to rejecting a low light level like that. That would give us a sensible contrast ratio of 100:1. But this is not the whole story either - if you have a scene on a monitor with only 100:1 contrast, it might look OK in office lighting, but the shadows will look very 'milky' in a darkened room.

    In our experience, people using monitors or digital projectors to simulate film will need something like a 1500:1 contrast ratio. There seems to be a point somewhere a bit beneath 2000:1 where the blacks come convincing, and the viewer will accept the simulation. There is some point about 1200:1 where the blacks stop looking convincing, and start looking grey.

    If you are trying to match a display to a projector, it is nice to have another factor of two, so you can match the absolute brightness without having to go to the display white. You may want to get this because you sometimes have to drive the RGB channels beyond the white point to get bright and clean looking pastel colours.

    You will want to have a continuous tone curve. Field-emission devices will have a cube-type power law down to a point, and then they will cut off exponentially. This may give good-looking greys down to a point, and then plunge into black, crushing all the shadow detail. That does not look as nasty as 'milky' shadows, but it is not that much better.

    So - about 3500:1 is good for simulating colour film. However, colour film is pretty dim - 16 ft-lamberts (50 cd/m2) is standard. Images look a lot more colourful if they are brighter. If you want really high-contrast images, you need something like a LCD monitor with a variable LED blacklight, which gives you your local 100:1 contrast and a huge overall contrast ratio. Have a look at http://www.brightsidetech.com/tech/bstech.php.

    1. Re:How much contrast is ehough? by mjeppsen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the record, startup company Brightside recently introduced a 200,000:1 "extreme dynamic range" (EDR) display. Tom's Hardware stated that the 200,000:1 contrast ratio was basically "infinite". They have a few display screen images for comparison, and the differences are striking: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050923_1705 19.html
      Specs on the Brightside display are 37", 3000 cd/m2 brightness rating, 1920x1080 resolution. Yours for the low price of just $49,000.

      As to contrast ratio I wonder how 1,000,000:1 is even measureable. As the parent states, 3500:1 is comparable to color film. I also read somewhere that 70mm film has a contrast ratio of approximately 1000:1. YMMV...

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  20. What Contrast Ratio Is by aarku · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most people have the wrong idea about contrast ratio. It doesn't neccesarily mean the display is extra bright. It most likely means the black is really friggen black. It is the ratio of the brightness of the white pixel to the brightness of the black pixel. Ever notice how black isn't really black on an LCD display, it's kind of lit up? That's a low contrast ratio for you. Read more at wikipedia.