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Sharp LCD Display with 1,000,000:1 Contrast Ratio

i4u writes "Sharp announces in Japan that it has developed a LCD display with the world's highest contrast ratio of 1,000,000:1. The Sharp ASV Premium LCD display panel has a size of 37 inch, 1920x1080 pixel resolution and a brightness of 500cd/m2. Sharp aims the Mega Contrast LCD display at the professional TV and movie production industry. For comparison the Canon and Toshiba developed SED TV has 100,000:1 contrast ratio."

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  1. WARNING by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do not look into the Sharp LCD Display with your remaining eye.

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    1. Re:WARNING by Eccles · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nigel Tufnel: It's like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black.

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    2. Re:WARNING by Anpheus · · Score: 5, Funny

      We should be aiming for 0 K black body emissions or else it doesn't have enough contrast for me. I demand the best.

  2. my eye does not meet its requirements by bariswheel · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't think my eyes are good enough for that...I'll have to have another talk with my lasik surgeon that cheap rat bastard...

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    1. Re:my eye does not meet its requirements by timeOday · · Score: 4, Funny

      And how am I even supposed to know how much improvement this provides over my current monitor when the article does not provide a screenshot of the new monitor!? Let's face it, there hasn't been any improvement in displays during my lifetime. Every time I see a TV commercial for the latest high-tech TV, its brightness and clarity is at most 50% better than the TV I have now, subjectively, and that just isn't worth my hard-earned cash. Not when I can put the money where it really makes a difference, like expensive wine, high-end audio equipment, and Nike shoes.

  3. Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sharp announces that it has developed a LCD display with the world's highest contrast ratio of 1,000,000:1.

    The Sharp ASV Premium LCD display panel has a size of 37 inch, 1920x1080 pixel resolution and a brightness of 500cd/m2.
    Sharp aims the Mega Contrast LCD display at the professional TV and movie production industry. Message to Sharp: I also want a LCD display that works well in bright rooms. No word on when this new Sharp ASV Premium LCD displays will be available.
    The highest contrast ratio we reported so far about was 100,000:1 reached by a SED TV developed by Canon and Toshiba.
    More details in this Sharp press-release (Japanese).

    110 words, the rest is ads. What an absolutely useless website.

    1. Re:Article by screwballicus · · Score: 4, Funny

      110 words, the rest is ads. What an absolutely useless website.

      This ignores the fact that these 110 words are themselves basically an ad for the product. My thoughts were something more along the lines of "a 110 word ad, paid for by a plethora of ads surrounding it. What an absolutely useless website."

    2. Re:Article by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Funny


      Never mind the descriptions - give me the SCREENSHOTS! I want to see how good this quality is.

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  4. Contrast Ratio by mysqlrocks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doesn't this start to become meaningless at a certain point? I mean, is 1,000,000:1 really any noticeably better than 100,000:1?

    1. Re:Contrast Ratio by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Doesn't this start to become meaningless at a certain point? I mean, is 1,000,000:1 really any noticeably better than 100,000:1?

      It's very meaningful from a technology accessibility perspective (the "trickle down" theory) - right now at the consumer level sets and computer monitors are offering with 400:1 to 600:1 contrast ratios. As they develop technologies at the extreme ends, it tends to push down prior accomplishments - this might be the sort of achievement that yields us economical 2000:1 displays.

    2. Re:Contrast Ratio by jong99 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The eye has a maximum contrast ratio of 1,000,000:1. There may be little perceptable difference between the two, but the closer the better.

    3. Re:Contrast Ratio by Mprx · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, because the human eye sees brightness on a log scale, so we have a very large brightness sensitivity range. The contrast ratio of staring directly at the sun: the dimmest light we can see is about 1e13:1, so this display has a long way to go to duplicate contrasts visible IRL.

    4. Re:Contrast Ratio by feyhunde · · Score: 3, Informative
      It is meaningless! Ex-monitor R&D guy here.

      But not for sensitivity.

      The 1 million to one ratio has been beat by OLED screens that have an infinite Contrast ratio. But what folks need to know is there are are in fact 2 contrast ratios. Essentially you can call it dark and light room contrast. For Dark room, it's simple, maximum brightness/maximum darkness as measured in a photonics unit. . Usually you do it over 9 points on the screen and mix min brightness and min darkness for an average. When you look at manufacture's ads, this is the number you see. An LCD can be between 100 and 1000 in this number. The lost is because of LCD leakage, where the black isn't quite black and lets a small percent of light out.

      Now the real number is the light room. And Nothing is that good in Light Room. If you shine a light on an screen, you will get a fair amount back. Most LCD screens drop a factor of 10 or more in CR. Very good LCDs have an effective CR of 10-100. It's easy enough to tell the difference between white and black even with a CR of around 2. But you can tell the difference between a CR of 2, 10 and 100 even untrained. So what happens is PR hacks put out the million number, which is even more meaningless as the common methodology has the instruments not able to detect beyond the 10,000 mark. The real number is always worse...

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  5. Black? by R2P2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if this thing can do black that actually looks black, or if it just gets the high contrast ratio by being able to produce whites brighter than the sun?

    1. Re:Black? by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 3, Informative

      I wonder if this thing can do black that actually looks black, or if it just gets the high contrast ratio by being able to produce whites brighter than the sun?

      it has a brightness of 500cd/m2. still too light for me, but much better than 1000cd/m2 which are far more copmmon.

      and by the way: original announcement. Why They are posting links to such crap websites in the original story?

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    2. Re:Black? by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 3, Informative
      Wait, +5 Informative? Sorry to drop the ball on this guy - but he has no clue what he is talking about.

      500cd/m2 brightness is pretty nice for an LCD display - since most of the LCD display's on the market right now are 250cd/m2 - 300cd/m2. To get a brightness of 1000cd/m2 you are looking at a Plasma Display, which is useless as a computer monitor (too large generally, burn-in issues, and even higher-resolution Plasma displays make text look like shit).

      So, 1000cd/m2 brightness it NOT common in LCD Displays currently.

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  6. What the heck does that mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "#000000" = black hole; do not touch screen or you'll lose a finger as not even light can escape a black pixel on this display

    "#ffffff" = surface of sun; again, do not touch. In fact, wear these protective goggles.

    1. Re:What the heck does that mean? by aug24 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Reminds me of the bash.org snippet:

      "What does whiter than white mean?"
      "#GGGGGG"

      J.

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  7. Do you actually think this is a display? by ProppaT · · Score: 3, Funny

    (1) 1x10^6:1 LCD screen + (1) monkey holding a magnifying glass = "Tartar Word Domination!!!"

    You could frickin' blow up the moon with that laser.

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  8. It can be handy by DrYak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe not for the average gaming home application.

    But in medecine/radiology it can be really useful : makes it easier to spot small subtle differences between to shades of gray on a X-ray pic, when these are located on a larger scale.

    i.e.: when an X-ray image has ~1000 shades of gray, and clinically significant information lies in features that are only 2 or 3 levels appart.

    You must either use a high contrast display (like this one, or "special for radiology high contrast CRT", or "printed on transparent film and then displayed with ultra-bright backlight")
    Or play a lot with contrast & lightning parameters until selected window makes the differences less subtle.
    Or even better, use both technique at once. ...

    Also, I'm sure the pr0n industy will find a way to do something useful out of such screens.

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  9. Useless specifications by smartalix · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a bullshit spec, as are 90% of all specifications given with LCD, Plasma, and any other non-CRT display technology in existence. (The CRT guys woulds lie too if their tech weren't so mature.)

    Contrast ratio, brightness, and screen-performance information are generated by suing highly tailored test patterns and performance benchmarks that have little to do with the real image, but a lot to do with published specs.

    For example, depending on how the technology responds, the contrast ratio test may consist of a white square, box, or dot on a black field, or a measured sequence of black-to-white screens, with the measured difference in brightness given as the contrast ratio.

    The best analogy is speaker specs, which unless they are linked to recognized performance specifications (like frequency response given as plus/minus decibel variance from 20 to 20,000 Hz), are completely misleading. A speaker advertised as delivering 500 Watts may only be able to handle that much power as a transient, and even then a speaker can only "deliver" the power fed into it, which means you also need a 500-W amplifier.

    A very good example was at the latest Society for Information Display (www.sid.org) show. Samsung had both the largest LCD and the largest Plasma in existence at the show, and although the brightness and contrast "specs" for the Plasma was greater, the LCD obviously had a brighter and sharper image in operation. True, the blacks were better in the Plasma, but that was the only visible distinction to the discerning viewer and only shows how little a guarantor of performance a high contrast rating is.

    This news is certainly encouraging information, and will certainly result in a better-performing display appearing on our shelves soon. But to look at any given spec and shout "halleluia!" is being overly generous.

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  10. Not that good contrast, really by Sulka · · Score: 3, Funny

    I saw a photo of the screen on a website and the contrast looks exactly like my current screen. Where's the improvement?

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  11. Inaccurate Analysis by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You don't care about the min and max here, because the amount of brightness your eye can discern depends on the dialation of your pupil. What matters is the amount you can discern at any given pupil dialation, which is much mushc smaller.

    For example, Go into a brightly lit room and try to differentiate between 10 subtle shades of black. Or go into a dimly lit room and try to discern between 10 subtle shades of white.

  12. I guess that's like a "GUI User Interface" by mjeppsen · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hmm, "LCD Display"...that must be something like a "GUI User Interface". Can we mod the original story as "Redundant"? :-)

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  13. How much contrast is ehough? by Richard+Kirk · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Bright sunlight is about 120 000 lux. We can see some detail in starlight at about 0.0003 lux. If you want to cover the entire range of the eye, then about 10^9:1 ought to do it.

    This, of course, is rather silly. We cannot see simultaneous contrast of a billion to one. Our retina is not black, so the light will scatter around in the eye, and give us a flare signal of about a percent or so. We are used to rejecting a low light level like that. That would give us a sensible contrast ratio of 100:1. But this is not the whole story either - if you have a scene on a monitor with only 100:1 contrast, it might look OK in office lighting, but the shadows will look very 'milky' in a darkened room.

    In our experience, people using monitors or digital projectors to simulate film will need something like a 1500:1 contrast ratio. There seems to be a point somewhere a bit beneath 2000:1 where the blacks come convincing, and the viewer will accept the simulation. There is some point about 1200:1 where the blacks stop looking convincing, and start looking grey.

    If you are trying to match a display to a projector, it is nice to have another factor of two, so you can match the absolute brightness without having to go to the display white. You may want to get this because you sometimes have to drive the RGB channels beyond the white point to get bright and clean looking pastel colours.

    You will want to have a continuous tone curve. Field-emission devices will have a cube-type power law down to a point, and then they will cut off exponentially. This may give good-looking greys down to a point, and then plunge into black, crushing all the shadow detail. That does not look as nasty as 'milky' shadows, but it is not that much better.

    So - about 3500:1 is good for simulating colour film. However, colour film is pretty dim - 16 ft-lamberts (50 cd/m2) is standard. Images look a lot more colourful if they are brighter. If you want really high-contrast images, you need something like a LCD monitor with a variable LED blacklight, which gives you your local 100:1 contrast and a huge overall contrast ratio. Have a look at http://www.brightsidetech.com/tech/bstech.php.

    1. Re:How much contrast is ehough? by mjeppsen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the record, startup company Brightside recently introduced a 200,000:1 "extreme dynamic range" (EDR) display. Tom's Hardware stated that the 200,000:1 contrast ratio was basically "infinite". They have a few display screen images for comparison, and the differences are striking: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050923_1705 19.html
      Specs on the Brightside display are 37", 3000 cd/m2 brightness rating, 1920x1080 resolution. Yours for the low price of just $49,000.

      As to contrast ratio I wonder how 1,000,000:1 is even measureable. As the parent states, 3500:1 is comparable to color film. I also read somewhere that 70mm film has a contrast ratio of approximately 1000:1. YMMV...

      Matthew Jeppsen
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