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Marc Andreessen's Social Platform: Ning

An anonymous reader writes "As reported on SiliconBeat, Marc Andreessen has finally lifted the covers off his latest project: an applications structure called Ning, which makes the development of social websites like thefacebook.com and match.com more accessible. See TheGlu and Dating for examples of Ning in action."

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  1. TheGlu became unstuck by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Funny

    theGLU is taking a short break. Back later!

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  2. Imposter Boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    Everything you need to know is in this article.


    Netscape always controlled the media when it came to the story about how the browser was first built. This is the only article that I've ever seen that actually went back to the place where it was created to find out the real story.


    History is written by the victors.... Even if that "history" isn't true.

    1. Re:Imposter Boy by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, that just reads like a lot of bitterness. I wonder if the journalist is peeved that Marc blew off his questions. You could rewrite the article to use complimentary terms instead of critical ones, and the facts would remain the same, but it would appear almost praiseworthy of Marc. For example:

      Then Andreessen used the prototype as a ploy for recruiting a colleague named Eric Bina to team up with him.

      A ploy? Really? Like Andreessen lured Eric into an evil scheme? The author could have written "Then Andreessen used the prototype as a proof-of-concept for recruiting a colleague named Eric Bina to team up with him." Suddenly its not all conspiratorial. In fact, it almost makes Marc sound determined or resourceful.

      Any article that uses adjectives and subjective language to damn someone is pretty weak out of the gate. On top of that, half the stuff the article "rebuts" I had never heard. Marc didn't invent the first browser? Duh. Marc has always been "sold" as the guy who created the first browser with inline graphics. And he didn't write code at Netscape? So what? He wrote code at NCSA. By the time he got to Netscape, he was in a leadership position. That article's critique of Marc is bizarre.

  3. Slashdot dating by KiloByte · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, uhm, where is the "Chicks for Sysadmins/C Programmers" section?

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    1. Re:Slashdot dating by crschmidt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Create an account. Apply for beta developer status. Click "Clone This" button on dating.ning.com. Type in that title, add a few extra fields ("What programming langugages do you know?" "Who is your ideal BOFH?")

      It's that easy.

      That's the power of cloning, and the primary force behind Ning.

      Want Proof? I just did it: SlashDot Dating.

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  4. What happened to farts.com, er, I mean loudcloud? by autopr0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry, I just can't take Marc Andressen seriously.

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  5. How many social websites are needed? by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This seems like the sort of market where perhaps one or two major sites is all that is needed. First of all, you'll get the widest slice of the community with only a few major providers, rather than a few hundred smaller, more specific sites with a far smaller proportion of the population subscribed.

    So while there could be a site for UNIX aficionados, and another for horse lovers, it'd be difficult to find somebody interested in both UNIX and horses when the smaller, specific sites are common. Both people could be listed in the more general, and larger, site. And thus it'd be easier to query for those interested in both UNIX and horses at once.

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    1. Re:How many social websites are needed? by CodeShark · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The problem with having only a few sources of information is that us folks are humans, not ants, bees, or any other form of social creature that needs only a minimal amount of information (ant:location->picnic, bees:location->flowers).

      The voice of the majority is not the voice of the all, and when our information comes from only a few sources, those sources quickly take on the vanilla flavor of the majority and are also the most easily subverted to what is acceptable to the movers and shakers AKA power-mongering types of folks, while the Internet is inherently free BECAUSE of the number of social websites.

      So how many social websites are needed? As many as there are quality "voices" who want to speak, methinks.

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    2. Re:How many social websites are needed? by j1mmy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem isn't the numebr of websites, it's the inability of social websites to mesh together. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to link to my friends on orkut from friendster and vice versa. There's also no reason a search on orkut can't pull results from friendster, and again, vice versa. If social sites could agree on a shared interface, they could all play together.

    3. Re:How many social websites are needed? by CyricZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But many of these sites are also businesses, and it makes no sense for them to provide business to their direct competitors. It would be like Amazon referring you to Barnes & Noble if you cannot find the book you're looking for at Amazon.

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    4. Re:How many social websites are needed? by GozzoMan · · Score: 2, Informative
      But many of these sites are also businesses, and it makes no sense for them to provide business to their direct competitors. It would be like Amazon referring you to Barnes & Noble if you cannot find the book you're looking for at Amazon.
      I disagree. As a better comparison, think about telecoms: users of a telecom do are allowed to call users of other telecoms, with an agreement on a proper compensation model between telecoms.
    5. Re:How many social websites are needed? by dalutong · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I disagree. If you wanted to start a network of evironmentalists this would be great. Or of a counter-popular network. Anything that wouldn't want to group themselves with a site like thefacebook -- not to mention that they might want to have a more professional, and closed, system.

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  6. Web development for dummies by SteveX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Looks like a great way for folks who don't know much about the underlying tech to experiment with web apps. Best part of it is you can take any existing application, clone it, and you instantly have the start of a new app that you can customize.

    It's cool to hear Andreessen is behind it; this gives it a little more legitimacy than it would otherwise have (ie, less likely to disappear thanks to not having a business model).

    The innovation is in new stuff, not in ripoffs of existing sites.. will be interesting to watch whether Ning will really make this possible.

    1. Re:Web development for dummies by Bad+to+the+Ben · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It's cool to hear Andreessen is behind it; this gives it a little more legitimacy than it would otherwise have (ie, less likely to disappear thanks to not having a business model).

      Why? Didn't Netscape mostly disappear? Admittedly, it was more due to Netscape sucking and having their business model conquered by MS free giveaways than not having a business model.
      The innovation is in new stuff, not in ripoffs of existing sites.. will be interesting to watch whether Ning will really make this possible.
      Don't count on it. The entire point of this "Ning" (stupid name) thing is to make it EASIER for other people to rip off existing social sites and start their own. IMHO and observations, the really innovative sites are developed by people using their own tools, because prepackaged sets like this one tend to limit what they can do to the preconceptions of whoever created the tools. Slashdot with it's "Slashcode" is a good example. Slashdot was innovative, but all the sites based off it aren't really. There are exceptions, of course.
  7. Re:Screw Andressen - he supports outsourcing by mustafap · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well if you spent more time working and less on slashdot, maybe you wouldn't be an outsourcing target?

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  8. CmdrTaco's dating profile... by Afecks · · Score: 4, Funny

    Interested in Meeting People for: Dating Men

    Is somebody having a little fun with CmdrTaco?

    1. Re:CmdrTaco's dating profile... by Gunfighter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Occupation: Posting duplicate stories to a small news blog

      Hah!

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  9. Andreesen = synonymous with "failed business plan" by cpuh0g · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Besides scoring alot of stock options when Netscape went public, has this guy ever done anything that has actually been a success?

    I think every business he tried to start since leaving Netscape have bombed.

    Color me unimpressed by lucky Mark's business acumen.

  10. The next great business plan? by marlinSpike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Looks like he's hit upon the next great business plan for web sites -- getting geeks hitched! No but seriously, social networking probably is going to be a mushrooming web-based industry, but so far, I haven't seen a lot of imagination given to how one can meet and extend one's social network online. The last great revolution in this sphere was Instant Messaging/Text Messaging, which has seriously taken off Europe and Asia (and to a lesser degree in the US). But as far as web sites go, I haven't seen anything that's really revolutionary or that provides something that Orkut, and other social networking or Dating sites don't already give you.

  11. Re:dating.ning.com very popular... by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 3, Funny

    "This is a test of the Emergency Dating System. The geeks of your area in voluntary cooperation with the Federal, State and local authorities have developed this system to give you hope in the unlikely event of an actual dating opportunity. If this had been an actual dating situation, the search results you just experienced would have been followed by the epiphany that no person of the female persuasion would even consider using such a system for dating in the first place, so you're wasting your time. This concludes this test of the Emergency Dating System."

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  12. Is "ning" slang for "genitals" in Chinese? by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not sure what dialect of Chinese they speak in Shanghai, but when I was there for business several years back I do recall seeing an incident involving the word "ning".

    I think there were some young adults playing football (soccer, for you American folk) on a side street, and one of them got kicked in his genitals. I recall his friends yelling "NING! repeatedly. Does "ning" refer to the genitals themselves, or is it just part of a Chinese phrase used when genital injuries occur? Is it like the "kicked" in "You just got kicked in the nuts!" or is it the "nuts"?

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    1. Re:Is "ning" slang for "genitals" in Chinese? by coaxial · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Shanghiers speak, amazingly enough, Shanghaiese (Shanghaihua in Mandarin (lit. "Shanghai Speech")).

      Being a tonal language, "ning" could mean any number of things. The excellent hanzi dictionary, zhongwen.com lists six different meanings for "ning". It is important to note that zhongwen uses standard Mandarin (putonghua) pronouciation and not Shanghaiese. How much variation there is between the two I don't know. The only thing even close to slang for testicles is "lemons", and I doubt that's right. I would think iit was a proper noun.

      FWIW standard Mandarin is really close to what is spoken in Beijing, but not exactly. Beijingers tend to end some words with 'r'. (e.g. "dian" becomes "diar" ("a little bit" or "hour") and kinda flat-vowel/whine some other words (e.g. "na" becomes "nei", "zhe" becomes "zhei" ("this" and "that")). When I asked my Chinese (meaning both the foriegn language and the nationality) TA about it, she said "You want to use the standard Mandarin. You don't want to sound like you're from Beijing!" When asked why, she said, "They're stuck up. Like New Yorkers." I said it was fine with me, as long as I didn't sound like a hick.

      Ni de zhongwen ke jieshu le. (Hopefully that says, "Your Chinese lesson has ended." :) )

  13. Re:"Redirection limit exceeded" by crschmidt · · Score: 2, Informative

    Turn on Cookies.

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  14. Interesting? Doubt it by freddej · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The first blog comment on siliconbeat said it all:
    "My first reaction, not knowing that this was an Andreesen site, was "gee, these apps are derivative". Come on, Bulldogster? And how many applications do we actually need to tell us about restaurants in Palo Alto?"
  15. Breakthrough in Social Network by wjzhu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best musicians may not build their own instruments, and the best film makers and photographers may not build their own cameras. Currently social network sites are created only by those with significant technical ability. Now with Ning, the tools are built and ready for social-artists to use: people with great social-IQ can develop some amazing social webtools that we may not yet imagined.

  16. Re:Interesting concept by generic-man · · Score: 2, Funny

    Once Google's Orkut comes out of beta, oh, man. It'll be like Friendster and Tribe and OKCupid and BDSMPartnerSearch.com.au all put together but with amazingly leet JavaScript.

    But it won't be evil.

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  17. The PHPNuke of social apps? by horza · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is a very comprehensive FAQ section on the Ning Homepage. Ning appears to be a social app framework written in PHP, hoping to do for social apps much what PHPNuke did for online magazines. It uses its own template language XNHTML, but it's not like developers aren't expected to learn a new one each week these days. It makes it easy to click-and-clone apps, much like Blogger makes it easy to set up your own blog. The business plan is to try and offer a premium service and make money off the back of that. They are clear that you own and code and content that you write, but don't have any license I can see of the framework itself. This is something I'd like to see be made clear. I'd be wary developing something where the rug could be pulled out from under me.

    Phillip.

    1. Re:The PHPNuke of social apps? by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ning appears to be a social app framework written in PHP, hoping to do for social apps much what PHPNuke did for online magazines.

      So we can expect 3-4 really bad security vulnerabilities a month till it reaches version 700000?

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  18. Everyone's missing the point by Erisynne · · Score: 5, Informative

    My company was contracted to work on Ning, and we've been doing it for over 3 months. It makes me a bit sad that everyone seems to be missing the point of what makes Ning truly great.

    It's the data. The SHARED data. It's an ecosystem, not just a platform or a hosted framework. Ning is much greater than any individual application, and I personally don't think that the true popularity will come from the dating applications. Ning's much bigger than any given application (and by that I mean piece of software and application as in "the way it's used"), and it's not a mega app. It's an app playground.

    See my blog post on the subject: http://www.slash7.com/articles/2005/10/05/fun-time s-startup-launches

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    1. Re:Everyone's missing the point by donnacha · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Hi Amy, having read both your blog post and Ning's voluminous FAQ, I see a major road-block to the series adoption of Ning as anything more than a playground, one that will see thousands of abandoned, short-lived experiments - a sort of sourceforge of social websites.

      That road-block is money: the admins, who are expected to invest time energy in tailoring their Ning-based websites to their target audience and then generating enough buzz/awareness to build the necessary momentum and userbase to actually make their websites useful, are not allowed to include any adverts because Andreessen & Co will already be inserting ads and explain that "don't look warmly upon more than one person running ads on an App or a page".

      The real zinger, however, is that they helpfully suggest that you integrate Paypal and charge for your service. It's not hard to see that most apps that build any traction will turn to this option as the only way to gain some reward for their efforts and, obviously, to build a wall around their service/retain exclusive value, will default to tag their data as "private", killing the whole shared data eco-system concept.

      I found your Rails articles a few months ago interesting, I'm surprised that you don't considered that a much better route for anyone with the imagination to invent new Web apps.

    2. Re:Everyone's missing the point by Erisynne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Donnacha,

      You may be right. Nobody can tell at this point whether or not Ning will succeed, or succeed for long, more importantly. Whether this spark of interest will last, or not. I'm optimistic, but I also recognize that I'm just a teensy bit biased :) That said, I didn't design the system, and there certainly are things I'd do differently. I still think it's an intriguing idea, being run by people who care about it. We'll just have to see.

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    3. Re:Everyone's missing the point by dav · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Ning is an example of something I've been calling a Blank White Server. It taps into the wisdom of crowds to create a sort of uber-application that has many facets but all built upon the same social network, the same tag system, the same capabilities (API/developer produced libs). Some ideas about BWSs:
      • You won't have to rebuild your social network when you sign up with a new web app (or your any other aspects of your profile).
      • You'll be able to create mashups of your favorite web apps.
      • You'll be able to alter/increase/delete the functionality and features of your favorite web apps.
      • They tremendously enable the long tail to be served.
      • They are almost guaranteed to have the most popular and the most specialized functionality demanded by users.
      • Companies that host BWSs will spend far less (almost no) time (and money) developing web apps than traditional Internet companies, yet they are almost guaranteed to be hosting killer websites.
      • They are a bit like a functional wiki.
      • They are bit like an web operating system.
      I see Blank White Servers ultimately being distributed across the Internet and linked peer to peer, hosted by anyone who wants to run one and sharing the common userbase, etc. Ning looks more like the AOL vs Internet model to me, which is ironic. I'm thinking of building one in rails, anyone interested?
  19. Robots vs Aliens vs Pirates vs Ninjas by Washizu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I checked it out yesterday and finally got one of theor limited developer accounts. So far it's kind of neat. I was able to clone a "this or that" type app and set it up to answer the age old question:

    Which is the coolest? Robots, Aliens, Pirates or Ninjas?

    Check it out.

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  20. Oh dear, oh deeeeear! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I dunno. I get a "danger will robinson" reaction to that thought, and my tail gets all bushy.

    We're already so divided and conquered and fractured. Specialized dating sites may cause all the politico/ideologico groups to start exclusively inbreeding until we're just a disconnected sea of tribes that don't even speak the same language.

    I'm being silly, but only a little.

  21. Re:What happened to farts.com, er, I mean loudclou by Daengbo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Autopr0n is, like, down and stuff.

    Yeah, man, for like a year now. God I miss you. What the hell happened -- Thousands of horny geeks' underwear have just begun to dry out, and they need some relief. You took down your page, I stopped writing sex in Thailand stories... What's the world coming to?

  22. A dating Profile Blog? BFD. The break through is.. by tyrione · · Score: 2, Funny

    In actually signing up real and attractive people to actually date. That part of "Social Engineering" is beyond the scope of the Internet.

  23. Re:Andreesen = synonymous with "failed business pl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think he started LoudCloud
    Went big (as in dot com big) - sold off the European department to EDS.

    Changed directions of LoudCloud and it is making some money - at least last time I checked.

    He knows what investors are looking for and he has the skill the find good people and hire them. Good people and good investment money usally means you can make big coin... but not always.

  24. Ming's too restrictive. by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 3, Insightful
    we don't let you run your own ads from third party ad networks, such as Google AdSense

    Poof! Widespread adoption peters out right there.

  25. Doesn't Drupal - Civicspace Ect do this better? by jsbthree · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mean excuse me for a second here. I've seen no mention of Drupal. If you are talking about social software and framworks no less why is this better than Drupal? Who is the comunity that is going to develop this along the same lines as Drupal and Civicpace etc?... What am i missing?