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ATi Radeon X1K Graphics Launched, Benchmarked
MojoDog writes "ATi has officially launched
their all new Radeon X1000 family of 3D Graphics cards this morning and
a full showcase with benchmarks of the entire line-up can be found at
HotHardware. What may or may not be surprising to you, is the fact
that the new high-end flagship X1800 is still a 16 pixel pipe GPU but now
running at a blistering 625MHz.
Is it fast enough to catch NVIDIA's 24 pipe GeForce 7800 GTX?"
Because you're posting as an AC.
It happens to logged-in users with low karma too.
How are the Linux drivers?
I thought ATI was going to seize the advantage from Nvidia with these cards but from what the article is telling me it appears to be a GF5900-style bust. I was thinking the X1600 would've been exactly what I needed but I may just get the 6800GT instead. Oh well.
I will worry more about the drivers, especially for linux. Also ATI had some problems with supply of the chips in the last few quarters.
Why do naming schemes suck, anymore??
X1000? I thought the "X" in "X800" was there because those video cards were the generation after "9800" and "9700"... Whats next, OSX11?
Intel, AMD, ATI, nVidia... Mazda... they're all driving me nuts with their product naming schemes, lately...
Here it is in printable version
"When a ball dreams, it dreams it's a frisbee"
Now to reach into my bottomless pit of money!
... I'm not that impressed. Technically the product looks to be superior but performance wise it's not doing well... it seems more like a "dud" generation like the early fx series leafbl... graphics cards nvidia put out. I think the next generation of nvidia and ati cards are going to be much more interesting than the present generation. Have to wait and see though.
Shadus
I will remortgage my house in anticipation
The problem is not the hardware it's the software. And our understanding of how to write decent software. ATI's drivers while 'fairly good' still suck horrible for some rudmentary taskst. For example ever seen how crappy a ATI mobil chip makes a video from your laptop to a TV set look?
Well, it had to happen sooner or later. The X1800 engineering sample card pictured in the article is double high and has a giant blower on the top of it. I wonder how long it'll be before we get a card that comes with an external fan attachment that you have to hang off of the back of your case?
I read the internet for the articles.
My 2 cents: there are two key aspects: 1) Price; 2) Availability. 1 - If the price's too high, it would be very difficult to convince people to buy a high-end card with almost the same performance that a $100-less card (7800GTX). 2 - Remember that the X1800XT will be available only middle-November, which gives nVidia a lot of time to think how to counter-attack with something like a 7800Ultra.
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=172
http://www.techreport.com/
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODIy
http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/r520/
Listed alphabetically so no preference to which site is good or not.
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http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/r520/
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/r520reviewxvx
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/262/
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODIy
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=3603
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Review
http://www.noticias3d.com/articulo.asp?idarticulo
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=172
http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=407
http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/8864
"What may or may not be surprising to you, is the fact that the new high-end flagship X1800 is still a 16 pixel pipe GPU but now running at a blistering 625MHz. Is it fast enough to catch NVIDIA's 24 pipe GeForce 7800 GTX?"
Most people are worried about price, availability and not what counts with ATI cards nowadays: Power. I bought an X850 AGP and the power requirements are absolutely ridiculous. Surely, my Antec 550w can handle it, but it's completely unnecessary, as shown by nVidia. I don't like the idea of having to put aside an extra $10 a month to power my graphics behemoth, although I do love the performance.
...who incidentally isn't producing AGP versions of their cards either. The way it stands, ATI has the fastest (and highest number of) AGP cards to offer.
And you thought two gpus's were hot? Well not anymore with this new motherboard hotty (with pics) supporting not 2 or 3, but 4 (OMFG!) gpus via 2* SLI. Of course all this technowhoring glory comes at a cost, with 4 GPUS likely to force most average gamers into submissive bondage for a month or ten, not to mention what it will take to prevent such a toasty little box from going critical!
==Nuclear Power Now!==
If you're like most people and running a single 1280 by 1024 monitor resolution tops, the best thing about these cards is they make the top end of the previous generation cheaper. I can only see one of these cards (nvidia or ati) being a must buy if you are running 1600 by 1200 or multiple monitors. Especially as many games are frame locked at certain rates. My 9800XT still plays any game I throw at it just fine regardless of what the hardware sites say. Between the two manufacturers, it's a matter of preference regarding the image quality. Me, I think ati is a little sharper, but that is subjective.
Some of us are still humming along on our AGP 4x/8x AMD64 mobo's with plenty of RAM to spare. Where are the new graphics cards for us?!?! nVidia and ATI are in some damn war over their latest, greatest PCI Express cards while they pay little attention to providing cards built for AGP card slots. This, quite frankly, sucks. I'm not a freak about buying every new graphics card that comes out, but it's getting to the point where it's about time to upgrade (so I can enjoy more features of HL2's DoD:Source HDL tweaks) and you simply can't buy an nVidia 7800 card for an AGP slot. If I'm going to spend twice as much on a video card than any processor I've purchased in the last 5 years, it better be the best I can get right now so that it lasts me for a long time to come, but alas, no such card is made for my mobo! Where's the love, graphics card companies?
Is there some current game that demands that much performance?
Once you're gaming at 100fps 1600x1200 with all the bells and whistles, why do you need a new card (or pair of cards)?
Is there some game in the pipes that will actually use all the fancy features that these cards have?
It's been noted on many sites that these cards are not available for sale yet. ATI has been getting hammered lately over their decision to "paper launch" crossfire, while telling review sites that they would be in stores. Don't expect to see these cards for at least a month.
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http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=255
http://www.kubuntu.org/
It took 8 months from my last PC purchase for them to support PCIE on Linux (If I'd gone for a slightly less "high end" model with nvidia it would have worked from day 1) and their latest quirk is that if you install their latest X.org firegl driver on Debian by using alien --to-tgz, then detarring the tar file at the root level, it'll change permissions on every directory it writes in to to 0700. You may then find that your regular user account can't, say, run ls. Fortunately fixing that isn't too hard once you figrued out what caused it. I'd file a bug with them but you have to register on their web site and "Debian isn't supported." It'll be a cold day in hell before I put another piece of ATI hardware in one of my systems.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Very simple. OpenGL is hardware-based, hence faster. D3D requires the OS to interpret the instructions, translate thru the OS's API, *THEN* send the info to the card. OpenGl doesn't do this, henceforth, it's faster. Why do you think Doom3 did OpenGL instead of Direct3D??? OpenGL is directly to hardware, without stupid OS interrupts/translation needing to happen.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.