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Firefox 1.5 Beta 2 Released

Anonymous Cow writes "Almost a month after the release of Firefox 1.5 beta 1, the second beta of Firefox 1.5 has been released. Firefox 1.5b2 can be downloaded from Mozilla.org. A changelog outlining the changes in this release is also available. The official announcement is over at MozillaZine." From the announcement: " This release does not contain any major new features since Beta 1. Improvements to automated update system, Web site rendering and performance, along with several security fixes are included in this release. Beta 1 users that want to help test software update, should wait for the automatic update to be triggered sometime in the next few days. The incremental update from Beta 1 to Beta 2 is 700K bytes."

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  1. Re:Once again by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Informative

    If there are security updates, the software update should notify the user ASAP. Not everybody checks a news site that would mention FF updates.

    1.5beta2 is not a security update -- it's a preview of the next major release. Not stable yet (well, unless you compare it to IE/AOL Netscape/...) and not considered to be fit for the general public.
    It's a release for developers and adventureous users.

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  2. Re:Nice. by Associate · · Score: 5, Informative
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  3. Re:Nice. by freak117 · · Score: 1, Informative

    It is called Nightly Tester Tools and it is available at http://users.blueprintit.co.uk/~dave/web/firefox/b uildid/nightly.html

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  4. Re:Flash fixed? by Xabraxas · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're looking for Flashblock.

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  5. List of improvements in Firefox 1.5 Beta 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
  6. Re:So what's new by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Informative

    The obvious answer: It's a beta. So if you want to test it and don't mind a few bugs, random crashes, etc. then you might want to try it. If you need something that's solid and stable enough for everyday browsing, continue to use the 1.0.x series.

  7. Re:So what's new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    The most significant change is to update the gecko engine from 1.4 to a newer version (1.7 I think).

  8. Re:Nice. by tgd · · Score: 5, Informative

    I only had three come up as not working (GreaseMonkey, Google and FoxyTunes). All three worked fine when I went into the install.rdf in my profile directory for each one and set the max-version to 1.4+

    It took about thirty seconds total. I don't have any GreaseMonkey scripts installed right now but Google Toolbar and FoxyTunes both seem to work fine.

  9. Re:Copy & Paste sorted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, noticed the fix with the first b-2 code that appeared on the nightly branch builds a few days ago.

  10. Re:Killing Karma... by csirac · · Score: 2, Informative
    Because if it just comes down to a secure and fast browser, MS has much more money and resources to make this come true than FF, I believe, let me know where I'm wrong.


    "money and resources" aren't everything. MS can't afford to make radical changes in IE, in fact they've absolutely struggled to make _ANY_ changes at all compared to FF which has ejoyed a fairly nimble development process so far. I will speculate that the reasons include: a crusty code-base which hasn't seen much work since the Netscape war (compared to the Everything Is New (tm) enthusiasm FF developers seem to have), and a fear that any real change will break things in new and horrible ways (crusty code tends to be like this - if IE is "secure" it's only because it has stagnated so much; touching it significantly may result in a whole slew of new holes to plug).

    My favorite quote on there is: "Keep in mind that this is not yet part of any W3C or other official standard. At this time it is necessary to bend the rules in order to have full keyboard accessibility."
    But isn't this what MS did long ago to make the better browser experience over NS?


    Both sides were guilty of making up and/or bastardising standards. Most people are angry at MS's "abuse" of standards to achieve standardised functionality in a non-standard way. What you've just described there from the Mozilla page seems to be a new feature that has no standard to go by.

    Anyway, I don't mean to trash on FF at all, but I just wonder, who really wants the Standards implemented (I actually do), and then what happens after that? How do we get better dev tools and code to use in our web-apps (the w3 doesn't seem on top of new tech)?


    The w3 and other standards bodies for that matter, aren't perfect. For example I've read plenty of threads about SVG (Scaled Vector Graphics) to get the impression that some standards are written before the technology they describe is even useful let alone implemented... standards writers require collaboration with implementors and users (or at least, an understanding of the users). But it does depend on which standards body you're talking about... they're all guilty of something, it seems (ITU, IETF, etc).
  11. Re:Crahes...alot by Linker3000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Funny old world innit: I've had the beta on my laptop for about a month and it's been working fine even when kludged to run adblock, forecastfox and googlebar. The only weird thing I found was that typing an apostrophe would sometimes fire up the find (CTRL-F) feature.

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  12. Re:Killing Karma... by esme · · Score: 2, Informative
    Because if it just comes down to a secure and fast browser, MS has much more money and resources to make this come true than FF, I believe, let me know where I'm wrong.

    IE is insecure mostly because of Microsoft's philosophy, not because of development resources. Public statements and publicity stunts to the contrary, Microsoft is more interested in building and maintaining their monopoly, adding new features, etc. than providing a secure browser (or OS, for that matter).

    And furthermore, not even FF adheres only to the standards, as outlined in the paragraph that speaks of the w3

    First, the whole standards process assumes that, in addition to supporting the standards, implementors will also support non-standard new features. These new features are supposed to be tried out in practice, and then submitted to the next version of the standard when all the kinks are worked out. When there are multiple implementations, and one of them gets picked for the standard, you're supposed to implement the new version.

    Microsoft's problem isn't that they added non-standard features. Their problem is that they used non-standard features to tie web pages to IE, and failed to fix broken or incomplete implementations of standards. This combined with IE's massive market share made a lot of people develop non-standard websites that only worked with IE.

    -esme

  13. Re:So what's new by Cally · · Score: 2, Informative

    Personally speaking, I find the automatic updates rocks like a Japanese death metal group doing a Peel session. The beta checks for updates daily, and picks up a new nightly build every day as far as I can see... my Firefox install is never more than 24 hours old. Suck it up, Microsoft ;)

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  14. Firefox Plugin Management by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Informative

    Firefox plugins (not Addins..) are the hidden automatic way to handle extra file extensions, and are similar to ActiveX plugins for IE.
    You can remove the flash plugin fully without resorting to letting the Flash load and then hiding it from the DOM model (as flashblock does - i hate the "flash" flicker it does and would rather a broken box appeared instead, i never ever want or need flash...)

    Plugins are listed in firefox by browsing to about:plugins
    (a very nice report actually)

    If you open about:config and change the setting "plugin.expose_full_path" to true, you can see where each plugin is located for removal.

    To remove a plugin, you must delete it, or move it into a new folder.

    I just removed the files:
    NPSWF32.dll
    flashplayer.xpt

    All flash now comes up with the green jigsaw "click here to download the plugin" and doesn't even attempt to load.

    Hope this helps :)

    Plugins list and info: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/

    Uninstalling Plugins help page: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/uninstall.html

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  15. Re:Nice. by appavi · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can use Greasemonkey 06.2 beta for Firefox 1.5.

    more details in Greasemonkey blog
    http://greaseblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/firefox-15- compatible-greasemonkey.html

  16. Re:newsreader? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Is Mozilla's usnet news reader being updated at all?

    Yeah, the Mozilla Corpor^WFoundation has made it a policy to allow the suite to wither and die. Fortunately the Seamonkey folks will take over and update it, including the newsreader. So I guess you could wait until Seamonkey comes out of alpha or just use the bloated, overrated Thunderbird instead.

  17. Re:So what's new by richwklein · · Score: 5, Informative

    Originally this was suppose to be a 1.1 release, but since there had been almost a year worth of development on the Gecko rendering engine between 1.0 and this release, they decided to bump the version to 1.5. They've also included a lot more features than originally planned for. Such as the new software update.

  18. If 1.5b1 is any indication... by green+pizza · · Score: 4, Informative

    The memory issue seems to be improved, but not fixed. I upgraded from 1.0.2 to the nightly builds and most recently to 1.5b1. I use FF on Mac, Win, Linux, and Solaris. Performance of 1.5b1 is a bit better than 1.0.2 and memory usage is a bit better as well. With 1.0.2, leaving FF running with several tabs as you describe will easilly eat hundreds of MB after a few days of running. With 1.5b1 it's down to about 100 MB. Still too much, but slightly better.

    I know it's a pipe dream, but I am hoping 2.0 will once and for all make the memory and CPU usage a good 33% lighter.

  19. Re:magnet and ed2k links by bonzooznob · · Score: 2, Informative
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  20. Re:So what's new by Dehumanizer · · Score: 2, Informative

    From my experience, the 1.5 betas are at least as stable, if not more stable, than the 1.0.x versions.

    I've been using only 1.5b1 since it was out (and 1.5b2 since today), and they've been great - stable, visibly faster, and (few people talk about this one, but I love it) you can reorder open tabs by dragging them. :)

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  21. Re:Where's my update icon? by skryche · · Score: 2, Informative
    RFA!

    “Beta 1 users that want to help test software update, should wait for the automatic update to be triggered sometime in the next few days. The incremental update from Beta 1 to Beta 2 is 700K bytes.”

  22. Re:Once again by dirty · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a beta. It's not meant for general use. If there are security problems it's your own damn fault for using it.

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  23. Re:newsreader? by twbecker · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you mean the newsreader functionality in Thunderbird then no, not really. TB is a great mail client but the newsreader functionality is still pretty much an exact copy from the suite. The devs don't seem to place a lot of emphasis on enhancing it =/

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  24. Re:Copy & Paste sorted? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Informative

    You might have a point with text, but there are other things you can clip other than text. In OS X and Windows, you can copy parts of a Windows Media Player movie and paste them into Powerpoint. You can copy your Powerpoint slide and paste it into Word. You can copy 15 non-contiguous cells from a Excel spreadsheet and paste them into Notepad.exe... and all of these do exactly what you expect. On a Mac, you can do all the same operations... you copy Excel cells and paste into TextEdit, and it works. MacOS has had a clipboard that could handle all these operations since 1988-90ish, and Windows has since 1995.

    Linux is getting better, but you still find that copy and paste does not do what you expect.

    The only people who claim that Linux clipboarding is better are the people like you who, apparently, never copy anything other than text. There's a whole world of data out there, text is just a small part of it.

  25. Re:So what's new by salimma · · Score: 2, Informative

    You're on the nightly build, not the beta. I was on beta1 for a few days, never noticed any update, so I replaced it with the latest nightly build from branch (not trunk).

    The beta release only updates to other beta releases, I think.

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  26. Where I work by Mad+Ogre · · Score: 2, Informative

    We all use Firefox... We have no spyware problems. But since we are a computer shop, we make our bread and butter out of removing spyware from machines running IE. Firefox might not be the most secure browser out there, but it sure is a lot more so than IE. IE7 is just nasty.

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  27. Re:Copy & Paste sorted? by Ayende+Rahien · · Score: 2, Informative

    I copy & paste to the shell all the time, it's the right mouse click that does the trick.
    But you need to enable the quick edit mode.

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