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The Firemonger Project

IZ Reloaded writes "The Firemonger Project is an attempt to create a multilingual easy-to-use compilation CD with Firefox, Thunderbird and an excellent selection of plugins (Macromedia Flash, Macromedia Shockwave and Sun Java), extensions (Adblock, Googlebar, Hotmail tabs, SessionSaver, ScrapBook and more), Firefox and Thunderbird themes, related programs (Firetune and Backupfox) and a comprehensive beginner's guide. Everything you need to start up with and get the most out of Firefox and Thunderbird. There's also a lite version for download."

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  1. licenses??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    no linux distribution on earth includes those plugins, how are they getting away with it?
    why don't the linux distro makers adopt their strategy?

    1. Re:licenses??? by Stian+Engen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Many distros doesn't include these plugins because of politics. (only GPL software)

    2. Re:licenses??? by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      no linux distribution on earth includes those plugins

      The obvious stares you in the face, Anonymous Coward, and yet you refuse to accept it. Do you know of a reason why only earthbound beings can make linux distributions?

      how are they getting away with it?

      Well, before this /. frontpage story they were small and obscure and the risk of getting their asses hauled into court were negligible. Now...

      why don't the linux distro makers adopt their strategy?

      I'm not sure that "License? What license? We're too small and this project is too dumb to bother with that. Dude, Chill!" qualifies as an actual strategy.

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    3. Re:licenses??? by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      no linux distribution on earth includes those plugins, how are they getting away with it?

      Sun's Java license forbids distribution together with competing technology, like the GNU Compiler Collection. For obvious reasons, most GNU/Linux distributions choose GCC over Java.

    4. Re:licenses??? by cloudmaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, the "home" version they had for a while - when they did separate personal and professional versions - just didn't install gcc by default, because home users didn't need gcc typically. Neither one installed the Sun JDK, but I'm pretty sure there was a JRE on there (which would be within the license). Then again, at that time there was no useful gcj, either, so gcc would not have been a competing tech at the time. It's just barely a competing tech now, for that matter... :)

    5. Re:licenses??? by mshiltonj · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sun's Java license forbids distribution together with competing technology, like the GNU Compiler Collection. For obvious reasons, most GNU/Linux distributions choose GCC over Java.

      How 'bout the Google Toolbar? Can I distribute Java with that??

    6. Re:licenses??? by zootm · · Score: 2, Informative

      Either make sure you have a meta-package that installs *all* of the things I might need to compile something, or have it there by default.

      If you're talking about libraries, that seems pretty extreme — "all of the things I might need to compile something" is a crazy target. I've found that for many or most things, the "build-essentials" package on Ubuntu is fine, possibly with some of the libraries you need also (which is a matter of searching Synaptic for them, and that's fine with me — they're certainly not something which is useful to the average target user).

    7. Re:licenses??? by bgramkow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If this trend continues with other open source software Linux could gain a serious foothold. Another /. post commented that what linux really needs is applications to rival windows compatible apps. (sorry, couldn't find the link) I agree, and if this is true then open source software like firefox/thunderbird (that can easily be dl'ed for linux) gaining popularity over MS versions will someday lead to "average" user realizing: 'hey, I all the apps I'm using are available for any FREE linux OS I choose.' Then on that magical day, linux will rule the world and we'll all live happily ever after.

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  2. What? by RedNovember · · Score: 5, Informative

    You mean to tell me that this has never been covered before on Slashdot? Are you kidding?

    Or am I just being naive? I guess the slogan is true - Slashdot. The News 24 Hours After Everyone Else Or Your Money Back!

    As an aside - why not mention Portable Firefox or FFDeploy? They fit the same category of spreading firefox.

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    1. Re:What? by MaestroSartori · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interestingly, a quick straw poll of ~30 or so programmers here in the office reveals no-one that had heard of it. So I'd say it's a fair bet that it's not *that* widely known...

      More to the point, it's a decent idea. Firefox isn't hard to install, but why not make packaged versions with all the handy things in it? Thanks for the links to those other two, I'll have a longer look at all three of these options later :)

    2. Re:What? by Steinfiend · · Score: 3, Informative

      I can't tell you how much I have to recommend PortableFirefox, not only for use on a USB key, but also for use on machines without admin privilages. Take for instance a work machine locked down so tightly and with IE only installed. As long as you have the abillity to run an exectuable you can run PortableFirefox.

      If you are used to running IE6/Firefox on your latest uber Quad Processor 12GHz Pentium 7 machine, you don't really get the full difference between the two. However, run IE6 and Firefox on a slightly older machine (P3 128mb etc) and you'll soon realize what you thought was a slow network connection is in fact a slow rendering engine.

      If you couldn't guess, this is exactly what happened to me!

    3. Re:What? by jp10558 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If that's the case, you likely would be amazed by Opera.

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  3. I think you're missing something. by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they should already have internet connection, in which case there should be no reason for making this on a CD unless I am missing something.

    The idea behind this is to encourage more people to use Firefox. Giving a CD with everything needed is preferable to sending a link to certain friends/family because a CD sitting on your desk is a constant reminder to install Firefox. Also, some people don't think software is real unless they're given real media to install it with. Why does AOL go to all the expense to send out their CDs? Because it's more effective to get people to install it than many other techniques (giving out a phone number or link for instance).

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    1. Re:I think you're missing something. by value_added · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It could be the folks at the Firemonger Project are also missing something.

      The extensions listed as Most Popular on the Firefox page aren't necessarily included. To wit:

      FlashGot (yes)
      CustomizeGoogle (NO)
      NoScript (NO)
      Tabbrowser Preferences (yes)
      Adblock (yes)
      Forecastfox (yes)
      IE View (yes)
      PDF Download (NO)
      StumbleUpon (yes)
      Gmail Notifier (NO)

  4. This is a great strategy! by michaelzhao · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Although Firefox is meant to be liteweight, there are some people on this planet that don't use it because it is too lightweight. Enter my grandparents. Old Chinese folk with no knowledge of computers. They don't know how to download extentions, definitely don't know how to download and install Thunderbird. Suites like this make their life easier. My life will be eased as well because I won't have to tell them how to download everything over the phone.

    This is a great piece of software.

    1. Re:This is a great strategy! by pjbgravely · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, When you parents call, have a bookmark setup so they can find their IP address.
      Then SSH into their box, and install the software. Much easier than phone tech support.

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  5. Why not Improve it first? by Famatra · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is still a lot of features lacking in Thunderbird, partly because I do not see many people incorporating other GPL software into it (are there still licensing issues, or is it fully GPL/LGPL now?).

    Things that Thunderbird lacks is:
    *Any type of attachment based filters (if it has an attachment, size, etc.). For fuck sakes, even outlook *express* has attachment based filters.
    *Auto compacting of folders. When you delete something it really isn't deleted and your folders can grow to huge sizes unless it is 'compacted'.
    *Auto expirary of mail. Kmail has it (http://kmail.kde.org/features.html) why not Thunderbird?
    *A lot more, just look at some features that have been requested over the past few *years*.

    A little less self congradulations, especially with regards to Thunderbird, is in order I think.

    1. Re:Why not Improve it first? by nooby_god · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is still a lot of features lacking in Thunderbird, partly because I do not see many people incorporating other GPL software into it (are there still licensing issues, or is it fully GPL/LGPL now?). Thunderbird and Firefox like most of the Mozilla Foundation's projects are licenced under a GPL/LGPL/MPL tri-licence. You can pick whatever licence that fits your needs.

  6. Re:Excuse me by malkavian · · Score: 5, Informative

    Modem connections? They're still around, and it's a pain in the derriere to download Firefox, plus extensions, plus thunderbird.
    All on one CD, chuck it in the drive and go. Much better solution.

  7. AdBlock? by CdBee · · Score: 4, Informative

    AdBlock represents a possible problem as it hasn't been updated in quite a while and in its current iteration doesn't work with Firefox 1.5.

    There is a spin-off project called AdBlockPlus which would make a more logical choice.

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    1. Re:AdBlock? by DeepThoughts · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm... Does Firefox 1.5 beta1 qualify as "Firefox 1.5"? Becaus if so AdBlock works just fine. I upgraded to Firefox 1.5 beta1 from 1.0.7 and AdBlock never stopped working.

  8. In zee interest ooff oooor Svedeesh freeends: by halleluja · · Score: 4, Funny
    IZ Relueded vreetes "Zee Furemunger Pruject is un ettempt tu creete-a a mooltileengooel iesy-tu-use-a cumpeeleshun CD veet Fureffux, Thoonderburd und un ixcellent selecshun ooff ploogeens (Mecrumedeea Flesh, Mecrumedeea Shuckvefe-a und Soon Jefa), ixtenseeuns (Edbluck, Guugleber, Hutmeeel tebs, SesseeunSefer, ScrepBouk und mure-a Bork Bork), Fureffux und Thoonderburd zeemes, releted prugrems (Furetoone-a und Beckoopffux) und a cumprehenseefe-a begeenner's gooeede-a. Iferytheeng yuoo need tu stert up veet und get zee must oooot ooff Fureffux und Thoonderburd. Zeere's elsu a leete-a ferseeun fur doonlued."

    Use-a zee Prefeeoo Boottun! Check thuse-a URLs! Bork Bork Bork!

  9. Wrong ! by CdBee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thunderbird supports auto-compacting of folders and has for several releases now. It's an option, unticked by default, in the Options panel.

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  10. Re:Why Fire[xxx...]? by computerdude33 · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, the reason is that if you get the Firemonger CD and you don't install FF or TB, it'll catch fire.
     
    In your computer.

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  11. Translation by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Insightful


    All the automated translation efforts "yo mamma, sup, homey, you mammo dogface to the bananapathch?" need to be based on local lingo.

    I speak fairly good French, but translating this to something that could be understood by a second-language French learner is quite the challenge.

    But that's OK, because the language is always devolving and marketing is our friend.

  12. Who distributes GPL-only software? by jbn-o · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't know of any free software operating system that includes only software licensed under the GNU GPL. Which free software operating system does this? Not even the GNU Project advocates for distributing only GPL-covered software. Part of GNU is made up of software licensed under the MIT X11, new BSD, and other free software licenses.

  13. Firemonger stats by dlichterman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hey this is Daniel, one of the origional helpers in the Firemonger project. If you would like to see some stats on hits.....heres a link!
    http://my.statcounter.com/project/standard/stats.p hp?project_id=444253&guest=1

  14. Drop TBE! by DrIdiot · · Score: 2, Informative
    Drop Tabbrowser Extensions from the package.

    Honestly, if they're going to put together a compilation of Firefox extensions, they might want to choose good ones that don't add bloat.

    Tabbrowser Extensions is NOT recommended by the MozDev team. I've used it, and I've actually noticed that it slowed down my browser. This isn't a thing where I got a timer and timed it. This is a thing where I sat there thinking "wow, am I really on cable?"

    Next thing you know, people are going to install this package and come to the Firefox team complaining how slow Firefox is.

    The alternative: Tab Mix Plus

    1. Re:Drop TBE! by dlichterman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thats what our forums are for http://firemonger.org/forums/

    2. Re:Drop TBE! by amber_of_luxor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The alternative: Tab Mix Plus

      Last time I looked t Tab Mix Plus it didn't have nerly as many tab options as Tabbrowser Extensions.

      • Close tabs left
      • Close tabs right
      • Close other tabs
      are probably the extensions I use the most, that are missing from your suggestion.

      Amber

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  15. Customized installations by snib · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I personally prefer FFDeploy (http://home.comcast.net/~ifrit/FFDeploy.html), even though it hasn't been updated in months, I believe it still works. It allows you to pick your own extensions and settings, and it's easy enough to burn them to a CD.

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