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Wallace and Gromit Studio Loses History
TheFarmerInTheDell writes "CNN is reporting that the Aardman Animations building in Bristol, home of Wallace and Gromit, has been destroyed by fire From the article: 'Today was supposed to be a day of celebration, with the news that 'Wallace and Gromit' had gone in at No. 1 at the U.S. box office, but instead our whole history has been wiped out'"
Be on the lookout for a penguin with a rubber glove on its head.
What is music when you despise all sound?
And that is why 11 out of 10 firemen recommend off-site backup! How do you backup clay btw?
Wait, I thought the fire was supposed to come after the /.ing, not before...
Joking aside, this is pretty sad. But I'm sure they'll be back on their feet in no time and making new stuff.
An e-mail sent this morning to all the subscriptors of the Aarmand website:
On the day that Aardman celebrate a chart-topping opening weekend in the US with
Wallace & Gromit 'The Curse of the Were-rabbit', news of a fire at our storage
unit in Bristol has been devastating.
The facility used to store sets, awards, and historical artefacts, is not a part
of the Aardman studio, and we are glad to report that no Aardman staff have been
affected. However, we have lost a number of irreplaceable storyboards, awards,
props and pieces of film memorabilia from our 30 year history.
None of the material from the new Wallace & Gromit film 'The Curse of the
Wererabbit' was in storage at the time, but we have lost many original sets from
Chicken Run, Creature Comforts, and the three Wallace & Gromit short films, that
were used for reference and toured around the world for exhibition.
This will not in any way affect existing or future Aardman productions as 100%
of sets and props are purpose built for each production.
Wallace & Gromit 'The Curse of the Were-rabbit': http://www.wandg.com/
Since The Wrong Trousers made an appearance at a shorts festival, I've been a fan. The good news should be that the clay figures should be ok evermore now that the heat has turned them into...ceramic...
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Maybe a pyromaniac is burning all the animation studios in alphabetical order?
Well their time zone is ahead of us, so they get the news early. Don't blame /. ;)
Wallace and Gromit's creator, Nick Park, said the earthquake in South Asia helped put the loss into perspective.
"Even though it is a precious and nostalgic collection and valuable to the company, in light of other tragedies, today isn't a big deal," he said.
Good to hear that Nick Park is so well-grounded.
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Well thats where it gets a bit difficult. Everyone here seems to come from a mentality of, "there is nothing but computer data worth saving". I'm sure they had that covered, however what is a little bit harder is to "backup" a physical item, like the original Morph model, or the sets from "The Wrong Trousers".
Unless of course you have some kind of matter duplicator in your basement, in which case more fool Nick Park for not coming to see you first.
. . . that Wallace and Grommit are Pottery?
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Historic things were lost, yes, but still, they were only *just things*.
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you are an idiot. if you dont like slashdot, dont read it. if you read it 12 hours ago, you should have posted it. otherwise, dont bitch about slow reporting times.
Since you were so quick to post, you apparently didn't rtfa. Even Mr. Park himself said, "Even though it's precious stuff and nostalgic - and it's dreadful news for the company, in the light of other tragedies it's not a big deal."
I know I'm feeding a troll here but I'd wager he's got things in the correct perspective.
I'll create an amusing sig when I have something meaningful to post.
This has to be the worst thing that could possibly happen Not according to Nick Page, who made most of the stuff. As he pointed out in the BBC article, it's dreadful news, but nothing compared to the awfulness of most of the other items of news today.
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They lost everything *except* the material for the new movie. That is, the original three W&G's, Chicken Run, and their other material. I feel awful for them. This must feel like watching your house burn down. :(
- ME -
If the critics didn't like it a simple it sucked would have sufficed.
They didn't have to resort to arson, unless they felt that Wallace and Grommet are really that evil and must be destroyed at all costs.
Keep the faith guys, from the ashes will rise a phoenix.
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This is what happens when you beat Captain Malcom Reynolds at the Box Office. I imagine investigators will reveal that the cause of the fire was a "Crazy Ivan" Gorram claymation.
If it was so important to them they should have spend the money to store it in multiple locations.
You're totally right, this is what they get for being so lazy. Had I been in charge of storage I would have carefully hid each bit of priceless memorabelia in a scattering of booby-trapped tombs in the most remote sections of the world. Furthermore, carbon copies of each item would have been blasted into a complex orbit which passed through our solar system only once every 217,326 light years, thereby protecting each piece in the case of Earth's total destruction.
Oh... wait... no, that wouldn't be practical... I'd just keep everything in a warehouse so that I'd know where the hell it was...
...was there no preventative measures in place to protet the irreplaceable memorabilia?!
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Not wanting to sound like an ass, let me make the following pre-comment caveats:
- I love Nick Park's work
- I own all the videos/DVDs of his films, including Creature Comforts on compilation
- I can't wait to see whatever else his fertile brain imagines.
But, having said that, is this so much a tragedy? The storyboards, the sets - why are we saving all that crap? Isn't the work itself the treasure, not necessarily the tools used to make it? I mean seriously, Shakespeare was great, but would we want to have saved every piece of parchment he scribbled on? "Oh look, here's the backdrop of the setting which hung outside the prop window on his One-Act play which only showed one night and then closed because it sucked!"
The artworks themselves are treasures. The other stuff is honestly refuse, unless they seriously plan to use them again. Extrapolated further, in 50 years we're all going to be posting our bitter comments on Slashdot from rooms hip-deep in "priceless memorabilia" (Reese Witherspoon's earrings from Legally Blonde XVII, the dorsal fin worn by a stuntman from Jaws III, etc.). Eventually we'll have to develop the technology to build dynamic-foundation skyscrapers on the mounds of movie-memorabilia that cover the countryside....
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Indeed, there are people far worse off.
BBC is reporting that an estimated 20000 people (at the very least) are dead in Pakistan and India. Compare that to the 1200 or so people killed in the southern US, or even the 3000 killed on Sept. 11, 2001.
At least Page is able to put his loss in perspective. It takes a real man to be able to do that.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
It's a penguin with a rubber glove on it's head.
This was only their storage unit and not their main offices which are near the docks, so there at least there was no chance of anyone getting hurt.
Plus I talked to someone there today and they said that some of their best sets are already out on loan for exhibitions, so those "off-site" backups are safe!
Perspective, people, this was just a bunch of crap that we would have made fun of someone for bidding too much for at some auction. It's more on the order of your mother throwing away your baseball card collection.
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Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
An animated movie isn't an island. You can learn how things were done in previous shows by actually looking at how they did it. Digging into the storyboard, layouts, sets, etc. can be very helpful. During the movie if artists needed to see what Wallace's bedroom looked like previously, they didn't have to look at the DVD and try and construct a 3D model in their minds--they could actually go and look at the sets used in the previous shows. Blueprints, too, I would imagine. Then there is the world of licensing. In the CG world all that stuff is kept around in digital files. In the analog world, you have warehouses.
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I've been a colossal fan of Wallace and Gromit ever since I first saw A Grand Day Out when I was in my early teens, and I'm quite saddened by this loss. I know that, as far as things go, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference to Aardmann as a company, but... the prospect of me owning a piece of genuine W&G on-set memorabilia has now diminished quite considerably! Whilst their financial value may have been little, it's very sad to hear that remnants of some of the best animation I've ever seen no longer exist.
/.'er with a sense of humour stifling a giggle or two. As an even more OT aside, it's a pity that the USA doesn't have Wendsleydale cheese as readily available as we do here in the UK!
As an aside, I saw a preview screening of the Were-Rabbit this weekend (first time I've been to the cinema in over a year and I noticed that the Federation Against Copyright Theft are now busy telling all and sundry that using a camcorder will land you in jail for 10 years) and it's well worth a watch. Humour "for all the family" (i.e. it's not dumbed down toy marketing fodder purely for kids) and the wealth of visual puns and arcane geekery will have any seasoned
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For the folks that work there, I'm sure this hard to take. Remember, they probably have a long history of the location, they lost lots of awards and other physical assets including the sets that were used in four movies.
I would imagine that some of these sets might have been re-used in the future, had they not been destroyed.
Moving making, espedcially using claymation is much more physical than programming. If my office burned down tomorrow, I'd need the offsite backup take restored onto a new server, a new Macintosh, a new desk, and a chair. That's it.
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I mean seriously, Shakespeare was great, but would we want to have saved every piece of parchment he scribbled on? "Oh look, here's the backdrop of the setting which hung outside the prop window on his One-Act play which only showed one night and then closed because it sucked!"
First off, your example is not going to make your argument. IF such a thing from Shakespeare existed, I have no doubt that collectors would pay through the nose for it. Sotheby's would make a small fortune from the auction comission alone.
However Nick Park noted that, "in light of other tragedies, today isn't a big deal". I would have thought they had reused some of the props (like the insides of Wallace's house). Instead, they state that each was "purpose built" for their respective films.
I think the worth is relative. For example, I own a few original animation cels that I consider extremely valuable. If I lose them in a fire, I will be upset and the loss would cause a certain amount of grief for me. Is it as bad as the tragic loss of life in natural and unnatural disasters we see on the news? Certainly not. I'd trade all my cels if I thought it would save lives, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't miss my cels. The loss of these "treasures" in fire is tragic because they had value, sometimes deep value, to the people that created them, and the fans that loved what was created by and through them. It's similar to the pocket watch my grandfather gave me. It is of great worth to me, and I would be really upset if something happened to it. Same goes for these "treasures". People worked hard. It was a labor of love for many. To see it gone effects them. Yes, there are more important things in the world, but there's room for grief of these treasures as well as things that may even be more tragic. Nobody is asking for donations to help the victim's of this fire because they were all inanimate as far as we've heard. I think we're doing a fine job of keeping it in perspective. Let's continue to be sensitive to the grief of others regardless of if we really share it or not.
First the great library of Alexandria, and now this???
Let's hope Western Civilization can withstand the blow.
With this crowd, you can provide perspective by asking "how would you feel if the original storyboards from the three original star wars movies were destroyed by fire, along with the original models of the millenium falcon, et al?"
They're organized, I know it. Ginger, she's their leader, I reckon.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
And Leonardo DaVinci's notebooks were nothing but pieces of parchment that he scribbled on, too.
/.). This isn't about eBay fodder -- this is about the process and development of an artist. Should future animators wish to learn from Nick Park's storyboards, they'll have to look at his later work. And that's very sad.
For many artists, process is often more valuable than the finished product. As a graphic design student, I find seeing the sketches and previous versions of some of the designers I admire very illuminating. Paul Rand famously provided his clients with process books (including one client notable to
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Cheese it! It's the FEDS!
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wallace_and_Gromit_set s_destroyed_by_fire
Careful - In this day and age you could be sued for stealing their intellectual property!
Argh.
don't say that too close to some Star wars/star trek/ghostbusters/whatever movie fans. they get rabid about some obscure piece of fodder from the sets and fawn over owning some random piece of crap one day at an extremely high price.
"This is the cloth they were going to use for darth vader's cloak but changed it before shooting... it's very rare."
"I paid $390.00 for this roll of toilet paper stolen from Wil Weatons trailer when they were filming the last episode with him in it on location! it's very very rare!"
gobs of morons... I mean geeks pine for this crap. it could have made them millions on ebay in a couple of months.
Now I must return to my bidding on a valuable high quality reproduction of the robot from lost in space... It's very rare.
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I had a house burn down once, and the thing that ended up being most useful afterward was a videotape showing inventory and carefully showing irreplaceable stuff like a portrait photo of my great grandfather.
If only Aardman had taken the time to create a video archive of all these props and objects... something like a movie...
erm... nevermind.
(Especially on grim days like today, I really miss Emily Latella. And Nick Park's classy reaction to this personal catastrophe impressed the hell out of me. Thanks, Nick.)
A real man with feats of clay?
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If my office burned down tomorrow, I'd need the offsite backup take restored onto a new server, a new Macintosh, a new desk, and a chair. That's it.
And a source of power and security to guard all that 24-7 in the blackened empty lot that used to be your office building.
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The storyboards, the sets - why are we saving all that crap? Isn't the work itself the treasure, not necessarily the tools used to make it?
Why save drafts of scripts or books? Why save blueprints? Why save props and costumes? Why save sets after a show wraps up?
Well, there's historical value to researchers and collectors, as to what the thinking process was, how something was constructed. Sets and props can be reused to save costs. Actual physical objects are cool to look at (note that some of the items went on tour), and took a lot of work to make. Are you going to save EVERYTHING? Hells no, but I doubt that's what the warehouse was storing (except, probably a corner that the prop shop was using.)
I have to say personally, I was extremely discouraged while learning to draw, until I saw rough sketches and early works by painters and artists like Van Gough. They made the same mistakes in perspective and proportions in learning that everyone else does, but you'd never have known it from the final product. As an animator, I learned a lot from studying storyboards and other materials that audiences will rarely see outside of DVD special material.
If you had asked whether the final product from George Lucas (the film - choose one) was the thing to treasure, and that all the props, models, costumes, and other materials should have been discarded, you'd probably get an argument from many folks. There's a lot of detail that goes in to prop work that is never shown on screen, and much of it is art in its own right. I think one person I ran into said it best - we aren't the best people to judge whether something is historic or not, because we lack the perspective that society in 20, 30 years will have on the times we're living in.
Police have identified the suspects as part of the "Garden Gnome Liberation Front" after recieving a video tape claiming the arson was justified because the claymation sets were "going soft". More information on this at 10 pm.
I'm a bit of a beginner with this type of thing but ... the only general fire figures I could come up with put burn temperatures below 700C. Granted the commercial setting and open space of a warehouse probably promotes fast burning.
... I thought they used plasticine!
Earthenware is fired to 1000C (roughly 1700F, I think). It seems that the temps reached may not be enough to properly fire the pieces. Also there's the quartz inversion point at about 570C - heating too quickly up to this point could be disastrous.
I also doubt that the pieces are wedged properly to remove air (as they aren't intending to fire them) and so explosion with the air expansion is likely.
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Plasticine (aka "modelling clay") melts when heated, FWIW.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasticine
http://www.vanaken.com/howclay.htm (note "melting them in a large vat")
Interesting fact: you contain about a thousand atoms of any historical personage (Napoleon, Caesar, any king or queen) you care to think of.
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...a great deal of the production art from the classic Warner cartoons aka "Termite Terrace" aka Looney Tunes & Merrie Melodies era would be gone. The standard operating procedure at animation studios was to wash and reuse cels...Clampett would sneak out the occasional cel, the occasional sketch, etc. and keep them. It is only since the 1960s that there was any care taken to preserve the ephemeral art that were by-products of animation production.
Who's to say that an original set from Chicken Run or The Wrong Trousers or the Peter Gabriel "Sledgehammer" video isn't art? Who's to say that storyboard sketches aren't art? Damn, I would have loved to have one of the original storyboards from an Aardman production. I have lucked out in that I have some layouts and sketches from some Spumco productions thanks to our family friend Jim Smith.
The sketch really is where the art lives, you know. A cel is pretty and colorful but the artist's soul is in their sketches. It's at the point where I'd rather have a sketch than a cel. And considering that almost everyone scans sketches into a computer for "ink and paint" cels are pretty much made only for collectors by artists who had nothing to do with the original production, the sketch is really the only thing left now. In some cases the sketch doesn't even exist anymore...some animators nowadays like to directly work with a computer tablet instead of paper and pencil.
This is a big loss. Maybe it won't seem like it now, but later on, when animation historians are trying to document what Aardman has been doing over the past 20 years or so they will look at this day as being when the history of a unique animation studio was lost. I grieve with Nick Park and his crew. This is not a lightweight thing.
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Well, why keep the source when you have a working app?
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As someone who's lost his office and everything in it to a fire, let me tell you - it smarts. The decades of data that you painstakingly helped to collect, even though you've written a few papers out of it, are worth countless human hours, blood, sweat and tears. They may still have a use, and they're worth a lot to you and your colleagues. To see them senselessly destroyed takes a few days to get over.
Of course, when you put it into perspective of the bigger human tragedies in the world, it suddenly seems rather inconsequential. But it still hurts... for a while.
Our knowledge of Shakespeare is so sparse that there's an entire genre of claims that Shakespeare's plays were actually written by someone else. Everyone from Ben Jonson to Francis Bacon to Sir Walter Raleigh has been put forward as the "real author". David Kahn's classic work on cryptography, The Codebreakers , devotes almost an entire chapter to debunking the "secret coded messages", supposedly hidden inside Shakespeare's plays, which reveal their true author.
All of this speculation could be disposed of, if only we had a few scribbled pages of Hamlet or The Tempest. But we don't.
Fortunately, Aardman Animations is far better documented than Shakespeare. But the destruction of their storyboards and sets is still a terrible loss.
Also, Gromit is not a real dog!
The loss of the Wallace and Gromit material is just one instance of a much larger process of history destruction that goes on continuously. More than half of all the movies ever made have been lost forever, because they mouldered away in vaults and filing cabinets instead of being out in free circulation, their owners hoarding them on the chance that one day they might produce profit, or forgetting them entirely and letting them crumble away. Simple neglect can be as destructive as fire or any other disaster.
As Intellectual Property rights are strengthened, this type of loss is going to happen more and more. Rights holders will have tight control over the distribution of "their property," even to the extent of disabling it whenever they want. Fewer and fewer unmonitored copies will exist, and more and more material will be simply yanked out of circulation because it competes with something newer that somebody wants to sell.
I collect Old Time Radio shows from the 1940s and earlier. Thanks to our Congressmen-for-hire, these shows and ALL audio recordings made before 1972 are still copyrighted, and will remain so until the year 2067. Theoretically the only legal copies are those kept by the rights holders. Ironically, most of the shows that still exist have survived only through the illegal activities of a diehard fan community. Most old time radio shows were never intended to be heard again. They were recorded only so they could be retransmitted later to different time zones, or simply so the studio didn't have to be in the same building as the transmitter. Most were destined for the trash, or sometimes already in the trash, when they were rescued and taken home by radio station engineers and the like, later to be copied to tapes, CDs and mp3s over the years, and sold/traded/handed out to other collectors. These "pirates" have kept this material alive for decades while the original rights holders in most cases did absolutely nothing. These old shows may not be great literature, but they do provide an invaluable record of popular American entertainment during one of the greatest times in our history, showing us what average everyday people thought was funny, interesting and frightening at that time. You can't get that sort of thing out of a book, and we wouldn't have it today if everybody had played by the rules.
Being able to easily make redundant copies of electronic data does not mean the same capability exists when dealing with physical objects made by artisans (I would have thought this was obvious, but apparently not...). The only way around this is to build everything twice, which is simply impractical; if it takes n months to make one, it takes 2n months to make two, which means you're doubling the construction budget without adding anything to the actual production (and contrary to popular belief, film makers do not have unlimited budgets. Aardman isn't Disney, and even Disney has limits). So forget about redundancy; not even NASA, the US center of redundancy, has a method of making backups of historically significant objects, but if you know of one I'm sure they and the Smithsonian would like to hear about it.
As to the wisdom of storing everything in the one place: the options are (1) break up the collection in the hope that any disaster that strikes is only going to affect one site, and add the problems of tracking inventory and aquiring property for little practical value (we're not talking a box of floppies here, this is stuff that needs non-trivial amounts of space to store...think "15 foot wide miniature set for a single 3 minute sequence" and you'll begin to get the idea), or (2) put everything you don't need for current productions in the one place so you know where to look for it* if you need it, minimize your real estate and inventory expenses and work on the assumption that buildings generally don't catch fire.
So Aardman went for the second option, and were wrong about the fire part. Has it affected current productions, destroyed final masters of previous productions or damaged the company's future in any way? No, the items in question were being stored for historical value, they weren't critical financial records, customer databases or the like; different security paradigm. So really you're suggesting that they should have spent probably more than ten times what equivalent digital archives would cost for less than one tenth the benefit. I know trying to keep a business afloat equates to evil around here, but do you seriously think Aardman would still be around after thirty years if they didn't do the cost/benefit analysis of these kind of things?
Just because a backup strategy makes sense for cheap, portable and easily reproducable digital data, that doesn't mean the same strategy is possible in the physical world for expensive, large, or fragile items that must be individually made by hand. If you can't see a difference then I suggest you backup your house and its contents immediately...not because its in any immediate danger, I'm just intrigued to find out how you make an off-site copy without it costing as much as the original.
*This isn't stuff you can easily sort by alphabetic order, size or any other arbitrary attribute, so there is a limit to how organized storage can be; if you've never visited a props store, you seriously don't have any idea how chaotic they are even when well organized.
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