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Yahoo Closes Chat Rooms to Anyone Under 18

Talaria writes "Yahoo has announced that they are closing all of their chat rooms to anyone under eighteen, following an agreement with New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. Spitzer, who began investigating the Yahoo! chat situation earlier this year, said "We need to be vigilant to protect our children.""

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  1. Won't somebody think of the children? by Carthag · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where are they going to chat now?

    1. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by femto · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yahoo's shopping centre?

    2. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oviously these teens will just stop chatting, ensuring their safety.

      Also if you make using a condom a sinful act, teens will stop having sex.

      Haven't you figured it out yet? :P

    3. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by Craptastic+Weasel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well.. seeing as how a simple age restriction does nothing to prevent children under the ages required to smoke, drink or view porn, they'll be there, just now they will all be lying about their age.

      This seems like a political solution to a problem that would be better handled by actual parents moderating chat rooms and moderating their children...

      But then again that problem exists in society as a whole (see also: Video Games, Television etc.) so maybe the solution is not so easy.

    4. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by haydon4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Where are they going to chat now?

      Oh, I don't know, how about face to face with people their own age where they can learn such things as manners, etiquette, constructive dialog, the fact that "teh" is not a word. Not to mention that one kid can't say something disrespectful, disparaging, or derogatory about another without immediately being smacked in the face like we used to do in the good ol' days.

    5. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by tyllwin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because God knows that "younger girl running away from her parent's house with some older guy" was UTTERLY UNHEARD OF in all of human history before the Internet arrived.

    6. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by xero314 · · Score: 5, Funny

      What? Parents actully have some clue of what their children are doing? Not here in the US (hopefully other countries are a little better than us).

      I have been saying this same thing for a long time. I only hope that some day I see a Slashdot article that reads "Parent Jailed for not knowing what their child is doing"

      The solution is "easy", even if it is a bit authoritarian. Mandatory sterilization.

    7. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny

      Considering the number of people who molest their kids or have child molestors in their family that abuse their kids and the number of people who seem to look the other way when their underage children are screwing around with adults twice their age, I have to wonder why we don't take children away from all parents. I mean, sure there are some responsible parents just like there are responsible children on the internet, but you can't take that kind of risk. Should just take children out of the home as a preventative safety measure.

    8. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      C'mon everyone, read the (second) linked article:

      "Under the agreement, one of the nation's leading internet service providers, Yahoo!, has removed and barred the posting of user-created chat rooms with names that promoted sex between minors and adults"

      No, not all chatrooms... No, not all minors...

    9. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh, I don't know, how about face to face with people their own age where they can learn such things as manners, etiquette, constructive dialog, the fact that "teh" is not a word.

      So if your kid hangs out with other kids, he will start saying "Please" and "Thank You", use the small fork for his salad and put the napkin on his lamp, plus have conversations about current events AND speak proper English with improved grammar?

      I agree that face to face interaction teachs them that actions have consequences, like getting popped in the mouth for talking trash, but they can also try out some stuff they saw on Jackass or Crank Yankers.

      The internet doesn't screw up kids, apothetic parents do.

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    10. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "Remember, "violence never solved anything"."

      That's a value assumption on your behalf. Millions of years of biological evolution would say otherwise. Just because you are morally outraged at the fact that species such as humanity have used violence for millions of years to curb socially inadequate behaviour doesn't mean that violence doesn't serve a purpose.

      People seem to think that violence is completely negative, however it has served a purpose throughout history. To stick your fingers in your ears and scream at the immorality of violence, because your modern values demand peace, would be to deny the bloodbath of human history. Some examples of violence being used to "solve problems" include gaining the resources of others and most importantly to defend against loss of status and ones resources. These are important things in a social species such as humans. Am I saying that violence is the only way? No. But you'd be stupid to think that it never solved anything when history says otherwise.

    11. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by TheFlamingoKing · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, if MTV wouldn't keep shaking preteen ass in my face I wouldn't be so tempted...

    12. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by stor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, if MTV wouldn't keep shaking preteen ass in my face I wouldn't be so tempted...

      Hey buddy, I think you missed the "Post Anonymously" checkbox.

      Cheers
      Stor

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    13. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by NotBorg · · Score: 5, Funny

      [...] better handled by actual parents moderating chat rooms and moderating their children...

      Just the other day I gave my little Johnny a Troll (-1) for posting to a 25 year old woman from Texas. Not that I have anything against Texas, mind you, I just feel that Johnny could do better. She wasn't that hot.

      Only by taking an active roll in our kids's lives can this kind of treachery be stopped.

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    14. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      All chatrooms, all minors:

      http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?t ype=internetNews&storyID=2005-10-12T212130Z_01_HAR 253163_RTRIDST_0_OUKIN-UK-YAHOO-SPITZER.XML&archiv ed=False


      Chat rooms used by child predators will be shut down by Yahoo Inc. ...

        Yahoo agreed to develop education materials promoting the safe use of chat rooms, restrict Yahoo Chat to users 18 and older and remove the Teen category.

    15. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I solved this problem by installing VNC software on all the computers in the house, waiting until the kids enter a chatroom and engage in... dubious... behavior, and setting the wallpaper to be embarrassing chatlogs right as I walk by to ask them a question about how school was. One child literally threw the monitor off of the desk to keep me from seeing the wallpaper I set. I should have made a video.
      Another good one is to keep note of chat logs and start introducing quotes from them into normal conversation. They won't say anything just in case you don't know, but the look on their face is priceless.
      Needless to say, my kids have the shit scared out of them every time they're looking at something they shouldn't be. Ah, the joys of being a parent that can code in the internet age ;)

    16. Re:Won't somebody think of the children? by GreyyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, this is a great idea. If they are sharp enough to set up their own Jabber or IRC server, then they are probably safe in chatting and aren't going to fall for a predator.

      Yeah- 'cause technical skills and understanding are directly related to social skills and understanding.

  2. There goes by DustyShadow · · Score: 5, Funny

    90% of their traffic...

    1. Re:There goes by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah, the parent poster is applying the "raising children is not as easy as squirting them out and this is so hard so I blame everyone else for the crap my child does and gets into rather than accepting that I'm ultimately the one liable for how they behave, the choices they make and the punishments they are given" justification.

      If you don't think your child has enough common sense to avoid meeting random internet strangers (come on, you get the "don't talk to strangers" lecture when you're old enough to walk) and you don't feel you can properly parent your children to the point that you aren't worried about them making such ridiculous choices, then simply don't allow your child to have internet access.

      Seriously, what the hell is up with parents these days? "It's so hard to keep my child from watching bad stuff on television" -- don't let them watch television. "My child runs up a huge cell phone bill that I have to pay" -- don't buy your kid a cellphone. "My child can't be trusted not to get drunk and drive their car wrecklessly" -- don't allow your kids to drive.

      I mean... come ON... People have been raising children for eons with every-changing technology and societal structures. There's nothing special that makes the current generation of parents' job so fucking impossible above and beyond every other generation in the history of humanity. This just illustrates the biological problem of nature making people want to marry and reproduce based on the symmetrical qualities of the face, size of tits and width of child-bearing hips rather than common sense and intellect.

  3. This will help a lot by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because, you know, there are no other chat rooms anywhere else on the Internet.

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  4. In other news. . . by Talondel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    New York officials also annouced plans to close public parks to anyone under 18. They made this decision after realizing that child predators know that children like to play unsupervised in parks. When asked about this decision, officals replied "We need to be vigilant to protect our children."

  5. Genders next... by TexTex · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pretty soon they'll close their chat rooms to men who pretend to be women online... That should cut back on traffic as well.

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  6. Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For once, a potential threat to children is solved by kicking the kids out of the room, instead of limiting adult speech.

    Verification issues aside, I think it's high time we adopted the "but your kids don't belong here" approach to more shit, and not just the fucking internet.

  7. Re:Fragging children. by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lets just put each child in a room with padded walls, no windows and a TV tuned to Seseme Street 24 hours a day. They will be provided with KidChow(TM) and Water.

    Dad, is that you?

  8. Re:And so that stops us how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's voilà. You sound like a fucking moron when you say "wha-la".

  9. Yep here we go again by Allnighterking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sorry but this is like using the new "Internet Explorer Enhanced Security Feature" If it's broken disable it! What's next, do we box up our kids, feed them through a slot and not let them out until they are 18? IMHO The Neo-Con(artist) mentality of "You have nothing but fear" (VS You have nothing to fear but fear itself) has reached a new low with this one.

    I apologize for being a bit too political here but I'm growing increasingly tired of this Liberal psuedo Religious Republican fear mongering that has gripped America. These preditors exist because they know the following.

    1. Mommy and Daddy are too busy going to Politcal Fund Raisors, Drinking beer on the back porch or attending bible thump sessions to attend to their children.

    2. The state has told the parents over and over. Shut up we are better at children than you are. Screw, give birth and turn them over to us, and the state hasn't a clue how to protect them.

    3. If parents do get involved in monitoring their children and caring for them and the state finds out. BIG trouble. (You slapped your childs hand and made it cry!..... Child abuse charges will follow.)

    4. The more laws and "protections" the state envokes the easier it becomes to get around the sytem.

    5. If you have enough money and donate wisely, you can do as you will.

    Now this carp. Wow. Now we are fully admitting to our children that we as adults aren't capable of doing anything to protect them or guide them. No wonder so few of them trust us. On this thought I'll remind so many of you what happened in Romania. The goverment forced it's people to give up child care to the state. Now, most of those children are HIV positive and or dead. Get on the Clue train America, We won't protect our children by hiding the world from them, The only way to protect them is to show them the full extent of the danger then give them the tools and the knowledge on how to deal with it.

    My 3 year old a while back was approached by a gentlemen as I watched. The gentlemen (an arthritic grandfather type, I sensed no danger but watched) started to speak to him and he said "Do I know you?" The gentlemen replied "No" and my son said. "Then I can't talk to you till you talk to my daddy first." (btw he got a big hug and a small candy for his actions) The words where his, but the idea of not talking to strangers unless mommy or daddy ok it was a tool I gave him to deal with the world.

    People, Tell the government to go abuse itself. You are not dumb and incompitent like they keep telling you, that you are. You are capable of making decisions and dealing with your children. Despite the fact that you voted for these parisites on the teats of the political whore.

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  10. Yes, communism. by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I spent my childhood on the eastern block, in a country to remain nameless (near the black sea , that should narrow it down) and every child's parent was responsible for their own... and you know what? VERY FEW if ANY of the kids I knew, and I grew up in the equivalent of "the hood" and ran the equivalent of a "gang" (small one at that, about 8 or 10 members) and played in soccer clubs and came home late at night...

    Difference being, my father taught me to fight, my mother to avoid problems such as getting in cars with strangers... thus, when I left my home, dad knew other kids would come to complain that I beat the fuck out of them (yep, and I was the little guy) and mom knew that he wouldn't "rightfully punish me" (he'd ask, "why, so he can learn that defending himself is wrong?")

    Sadly in the fine USA, justice is a forgotten term, and "consequences" are only monetary... many a time a good punch in the face would teach far more than a lawsuit. Many people who are OH so biblical forgot the old adage about sparing the rod.... Parents are sparing EVERYTHING from their kids, starting with the proverbial rod and ending with the very real absence of involvement of any kind.

    Fuck the system, when I decide to have kids, they will be raised right... it worked for me, worked for my brother, worked for my father who weathered several wars in the military and only ended up getting hurt being run over by a drunk driver (yeah, go fucking figure, eh?) It also worked for several dozen of my former friends from childhood, all of whom grew up, grew up well, and are extremely self reliant... not something very common in the USA where everyone expects to get approval from the system before moving on. Fuck it all. Live life like its yours, because it is. Too many want to have it lived for them... and Bush, Cheney, Gates, the supreme court and company will be glad to do it for you, since you pay them every time they make a decision for you.

    I say, fuckem all... I'll live my life the way I want to, I will abide by the honor code **I** impose upon myself, and when someone trespasses against me, without it being a mistake... well, I defend myself and I don't need a gun to break their arm in three different places if that is what it comes down to :)

    ~D

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  11. Microsoft's MSN IM day by stuttering+stan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's an earlier report about Yahoo and MSN merges IMs
    And here's a story about a nobody talking smack about Linux IM clients.

    Both topics are chock full of MSN IM astro-turfing goodness. Check it out. Looks like the start of a marketing campaign for MSN Messenger 7.

  12. Re:i want to ask it again by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First and most important: Who mandates it? Nobody has authority over the interwebbernet.
    That said, what defines adult content?
        What about a national geographic-style site that would include topless women from some tribe in africa?
        What about a site selling underwear? For example, you can see bush on this amazon ad: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000 7XLONC/ref=pd_sbs_a_4/102-1256598-6028138?_encodin g=UTF8&v=glance
        What about webcam sites where people are free to be as nude or not-nude as they like?
        What about informative sites teaching kids about their own body? (clitical, jackinworld, etc)
        What about non comercial personal pages that include nudes (Be they self nudes, or "my wild vacation pictures", or whatever).

    The gray area is huge. But again, more importantly, who can mandate such a requirement? Why would someone want to host their site in a banned by many .xxx tld when they can get more profit from a .com? Because of potential us law you propose? Only people that care about silly US laws are silly US citizens.

    The better proposal is a .kids tld (or better yet, an entire arin assignment or VPN you could limit your kids inside), which anybody could set up and be responsible for. If you could get a few big isps behind it, you'd have a large enough base that the big names (Disney, Nick, etc) would want access to host their sites inside your system, and the only stuff inside would be safe.

    Even if you could block a .xxx, you'll never block the millions of nude pictures already out there lurking in peoples personal sites, forgotten dir indexes, and whatever else.

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  13. Re:So what? by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

    How do they plan on verifying age? A little checkbox saying "I am at least 18 years old"?

    Of course not. They're going to require the user to enter their date of birth. Everyone knows that American schoolchildren won't be able to figure out the math. :o)