Once you're past the first few paragraphs it's a typical intro level tutorial. The article does not take you into any undocumented/hidden features, easter eggs, or into some Myst-like labyrinth of sub-menus. A typically written "Getting Started with..." guild for OO.o charts.
You're right, nobody* wants it. A killer app ain't going to happen. If a killer app comes along in Linuxland, it'll get ported over to the other OSs where it can thrive like Firefox. Desktop Linux is here. This is it. This is as good as it gets**. What do we represent, 0.5 percent of the desktops, give or take. Isn't this good enough***?
* very few people, not worth comparing to the total population.
** Linux desktop will continue to improve, but so will windows and osx. no shift in user-base.
*** "Good enough" is about as far as most OSS projects.
Here in the US, we have fair use rights. We also have the freedom to waive those rights, as many Americans have demonstrated. By accepting DRM (fair-play), Australians are now able to enjoy the convenience of iTunes. Win-Win.
If you have no evidence of a connection between youth and roleplaying, don't make the supposition. If you have evidence, let's hear it.
I am surprised that you require evidence for something that is obvious to most people. Role-playing, in its most common form, is the interaction between individuals by projecting themselves through inanimate objects such as figurines, action figures, and dolls. This form of play is most often observed among children in the first few years of school to as late as pre-adolesence. There are some exceptions to this age range, but they are the exceptions and not the rule. The point in my original post: there is no correlation between role-playing and coding, if anything, there is a better correlation between youth and role-playing. I find it strange that you question the latter and not the origin premise.
Off topic: Follow my "homepage" URL to find proof that I code.
Why is this off topic? Yes, you code. If this is in response to my statement that the typical slashdotter does not code very much, then I stand by my statement and also go as far as to say that you are not a typical slashdotter. Go through the comments under the topics of Apple, SCO, or Microsoft and ask yourself - Does the average slashdotter sound like a coder to you?
Their probably isn't a correlation between rolplaying and coding. But the editorial staff of this forum knows that its audience consists primarily of young people who have an interest in technology. Games, in general are targeted toward the young. The typical slashdotter doesn't write much code, but assumes other slashdotters do. Hence...the erroneous belief that coders are into games as well as other adolescent activities like downloading "free" music, modding their computer, and product/OS zealotry. What the headline should ask: Youth and Roleplaying - Is There a Connection?
SCO: I hear that you're looking at migrating to another vendor, who is it? Microsoft, Red Hat...?
SCO Customer: You're not gonna pull that "AutoZone" crap on me, are you?
SCO: No, no, not at all. Hey, aren't you using MySQL for your applications?
SCO Customer: Yes, but it's the GPL'ed version, not the one you licences from them.
SCO: I think that's something for the courts to decide, after the loooong and expensive discovery process.
SCO Customer: WHAT THE...?!?!
MySQL: Hey! Why are you harrassing my end-users?
SCO: Don't you mean our customers ?
MySQL: Huh? Oh yeah, never mind.
We might as well not even have a fair use / home copying law.
Fair use is a consumer right. Consumers can choose to waive this in exchange for the convenience of on-line downloading. Consumers have already demonstrated an openness towards licensing restictions and digital rights management in exchange for access to entertainment content. It is the end-user and not the RIAA/MPAA that is driving this change in attitude.
In a nut shell-- Bill thinks the future is on-line delivery and not shiny plastic discs. Put a cape on him and call him Captain Obvious. Ever read The Road Ahead?
Nope, But I saw some of it in my rear-view mirror:)
Enough about Web 2.0, tell me more about the hot model chicks wearing skimpy alien outfits.
You have made two references to Web 2.0. The Web 2.0 Conference was about capital investment, not technical development, i.e. it was a meeting of commercial interest not engineering. I'm not try to marginalize the value of technology in the overall scheme of things, just pointing out what Web 2.0 is all about. If you read through some of the reports coming back from the conference you will see that there really isn't a lot of technical information ( see Roblimo's 3 day report in Newsforge).
You may as well say that moving from command-line batch processed software to GUI multi-tasking enviroments is about distributing content in a profitable manner.
I don't know what this means.
As with anything you always have what the suits hope to get from the changes (which never changes.. greedy bastards) but that is not really the fundamental driving force behind those changes. The only reason those changes can be profitable is if they are delivering what end users are willing to pay to get.
Yes, the driving force, in the case of Web 2.0, is delivering music and movies to a paying public via the internet.
End-users want the web to be more responsive, look nicer, offer more content, and make communicating easier and more fun.
Partial credit. The people that you refer to as "suits" and greedy bastards" (Web 2.0 people) are definately working on one of the items you mentioned, guess which one. Since you mentioned communications, do a little research on Skype, ebay, and the inclusion of ads to make VOIP a better investment. I don't think this will fly, but it has more to do with Web 2.0 than AJAX.
What I'm trying to tell you is: Web 2.0 doesn't mean what you think it means.
A little off-topic: Did you catch that statement from Bill Gates about HD-DVD and blu-ray? Welcome to Web 2.0
Not 'getting' the Web 2.0 is dangerous for an engineer... ...the new generation of web apps. ...community features...merged into the web browser. ...communicate more complex things with more people quickly.
Interesting, you seem to be under the impression that technology, engineering, and community features are the central ideas behind Web 2.0. To keep it brief:
Web 2.0 is about the distribution of content in a profitable manner, period. This includes things such as licensing, ads, digital rights management, internation IP laws, and treaties. As you can see, this has more to do with legal/financial and not technical innovations. With indicators like itunes' success and bittorrent's broad user base, Venture capital has been rapidly increasing. DRM technology has proven effective enough to bring content providers into the equation (as demonstated by ABC recently). Web 2.0 is about raising capital to develop businesses that will profitably distibute paid content. AJAX and social/community software has very little to do with this. Hope this helps you "get" Web 2.0, thanx.
From the linked article: "...content in 75 categories from 150 "providers." Some of the major networks using the service are CNN, TLC, Animal Planet, iFilm, TCM, MLB.com, History Channel, A&E..."
Block ads? Why not? Blocking ads make the internet work better. Web site revenue - ha! There's a bazilion web sites out there, who cares if a web site closes, someone else will put up the content:) Anyone who argues that the interweb will run out of content because of a lack of ad dollars is a fool. No, really, your a fool.
peace out
...RIM should also remove the government accounts.
Not me. I would spam them with tales of doom and gloom (end of service) if legislators don't step in and "fix" things. Hey! Remember when RIMjob sued Handspring because Treo used a qwerty keyboard. Around and 'round, what comes around goes around...
peace out
A few years ago I had clogged heads in an Epson printer. Cartridges were running around $55 a set.
Same thing happened to me. I bought a laser jet right after that too. I tried the refill kits, it sucks. That darned ink jet required a lot of maintenance if it sat too long w/o use. A little dust in it was all it took to ruin a print. Clean. clean, clean, then try again. I could always count on one of the color cartidges to be empty when I finally got it working right. Some of the people in this thread justify cost for convenience, this was never my experience. I can get pics developed at $0.15 a piece 4 blocks from my home, that's convenient.
The buy in is expensive on lasers but the prints are a fraction of the cost and don't require special paper.
I like the reliability most of all!
in favor of liability for software, but not litigation
Consumer rights are violated by the EULAs
life destroying information is at risk due to faulty software
advocates bullet-proof software
The article didn't really offer any plausible solutions, or for that matter, didn't really articulate the problem very well either. The author's writing style is a little whiny.
The article seems to be a c-composite of b-blurbs. The b-blurbs support circular reasoning. I wish the article was a little m-more informative. There are a lot of Apple ru-m-mors this weekend.
Slashdot Mirror
It was up to +5 when I posted this. WTF? +lame /no digg
Once you're past the first few paragraphs it's a typical intro level tutorial. The article does not take you into any undocumented/hidden features, easter eggs, or into some Myst-like labyrinth of sub-menus. A typically written "Getting Started with..." guild for OO.o charts.
You're right, nobody* wants it. A killer app ain't going to happen. If a killer app comes along in Linuxland, it'll get ported over to the other OSs where it can thrive like Firefox. Desktop Linux is here. This is it. This is as good as it gets**. What do we represent, 0.5 percent of the desktops, give or take. Isn't this good enough***?
* very few people, not worth comparing to the total population.
** Linux desktop will continue to improve, but so will windows and osx. no shift in user-base.
*** "Good enough" is about as far as most OSS projects.
If you delay your degree by one year, you'll get paid slightly less every year.
My boss asked me why I come into work 5 minutes late everyday. I told him that I was borned 5 minutes late and I haven't caught up yet.
Here in the US, we have fair use rights. We also have the freedom to waive those rights, as many Americans have demonstrated. By accepting DRM (fair-play), Australians are now able to enjoy the convenience of iTunes. Win-Win.
If you have no evidence of a connection between youth and roleplaying, don't make the supposition. If you have evidence, let's hear it.
I am surprised that you require evidence for something that is obvious to most people. Role-playing, in its most common form, is the interaction between individuals by projecting themselves through inanimate objects such as figurines, action figures, and dolls. This form of play is most often observed among children in the first few years of school to as late as pre-adolesence. There are some exceptions to this age range, but they are the exceptions and not the rule. The point in my original post: there is no correlation between role-playing and coding, if anything, there is a better correlation between youth and role-playing. I find it strange that you question the latter and not the origin premise.
Off topic: Follow my "homepage" URL to find proof that I code.
Why is this off topic? Yes, you code. If this is in response to my statement that the typical slashdotter does not code very much, then I stand by my statement and also go as far as to say that you are not a typical slashdotter. Go through the comments under the topics of Apple, SCO, or Microsoft and ask yourself - Does the average slashdotter sound like a coder to you?
Their probably isn't a correlation between rolplaying and coding. But the editorial staff of this forum knows that its audience consists primarily of young people who have an interest in technology. Games, in general are targeted toward the young. The typical slashdotter doesn't write much code, but assumes other slashdotters do. Hence...the erroneous belief that coders are into games as well as other adolescent activities like downloading "free" music, modding their computer, and product/OS zealotry. What the headline should ask: Youth and Roleplaying - Is There a Connection?
SCO: I hear that you're looking at migrating to another vendor, who is it? Microsoft, Red Hat...?
SCO Customer: You're not gonna pull that "AutoZone" crap on me, are you?
SCO: No, no, not at all. Hey, aren't you using MySQL for your applications?
SCO Customer: Yes, but it's the GPL'ed version, not the one you licences from them.
SCO: I think that's something for the courts to decide, after the loooong and expensive discovery process.
SCO Customer: WHAT THE...?!?!
MySQL: Hey! Why are you harrassing my end-users?
SCO: Don't you mean our customers ?
MySQL: Huh? Oh yeah, never mind.
We might as well not even have a fair use / home copying law.
Fair use is a consumer right. Consumers can choose to waive this in exchange for the convenience of on-line downloading. Consumers have already demonstrated an openness towards licensing restictions and digital rights management in exchange for access to entertainment content. It is the end-user and not the RIAA/MPAA that is driving this change in attitude.
In a nut shell-- Bill thinks the future is on-line delivery and not shiny plastic discs. Put a cape on him and call him Captain Obvious. :)
Ever read The Road Ahead?
Nope, But I saw some of it in my rear-view mirror
Enough about Web 2.0, tell me more about the hot model chicks wearing skimpy alien outfits.
You have made two references to Web 2.0. The Web 2.0 Conference was about capital investment, not technical development, i.e. it was a meeting of commercial interest not engineering. I'm not try to marginalize the value of technology in the overall scheme of things, just pointing out what Web 2.0 is all about. If you read through some of the reports coming back from the conference you will see that there really isn't a lot of technical information ( see Roblimo's 3 day report in Newsforge).
You may as well say that moving from command-line batch processed software to GUI multi-tasking enviroments is about distributing content in a profitable manner.
I don't know what this means.
As with anything you always have what the suits hope to get from the changes (which never changes.. greedy bastards) but that is not really the fundamental driving force behind those changes. The only reason those changes can be profitable is if they are delivering what end users are willing to pay to get.
Yes, the driving force, in the case of Web 2.0, is delivering music and movies to a paying public via the internet.
End-users want the web to be more responsive, look nicer, offer more content, and make communicating easier and more fun.
Partial credit. The people that you refer to as "suits" and greedy bastards" (Web 2.0 people) are definately working on one of the items you mentioned, guess which one. Since you mentioned communications, do a little research on Skype, ebay, and the inclusion of ads to make VOIP a better investment. I don't think this will fly, but it has more to do with Web 2.0 than AJAX.
What I'm trying to tell you is: Web 2.0 doesn't mean what you think it means.
A little off-topic: Did you catch that statement from Bill Gates about HD-DVD and blu-ray? Welcome to Web 2.0
Not 'getting' the Web 2.0 is dangerous for an engineer...
...the new generation of web apps.
...community features...merged into the web browser.
...communicate more complex things with more people quickly.
Interesting, you seem to be under the impression that technology, engineering, and community features are the central ideas behind Web 2.0. To keep it brief:
Web 2.0 is about the distribution of content in a profitable manner, period. This includes things such as licensing, ads, digital rights management, internation IP laws, and treaties. As you can see, this has more to do with legal/financial and not technical innovations. With indicators like itunes' success and bittorrent's broad user base, Venture capital has been rapidly increasing. DRM technology has proven effective enough to bring content providers into the equation (as demonstated by ABC recently). Web 2.0 is about raising capital to develop businesses that will profitably distibute paid content. AJAX and social/community software has very little to do with this.
Hope this helps you "get" Web 2.0, thanx.
"...if the average person downloaded it 10 times, 10 million people have downloaded it. You can't make any assumptions about usage..."
If a person downloads the application 10 times, I think it's pretty safe to make assumptions about their usage. :)
Read it and weep, apple fanboi!
From the linked article: "...content in 75 categories from 150 "providers." Some of the major networks using the service are CNN, TLC, Animal Planet, iFilm, TCM, MLB.com, History Channel, A&E..."
Who's your daddy now!
Mark Newport --
No, seriously...What the hell is wrong with you?
Here's an earlier report about Yahoo and MSN merges IMs
And here's a story about a nobody talking smack about Linux IM clients.
Both topics are chock full of MSN IM astro-turfing goodness. Check it out. Looks like the start of a marketing campaign for MSN Messenger 7.
Block ads? Why not? Blocking ads make the internet work better. Web site revenue - ha! There's a bazilion web sites out there, who cares if a web site closes, someone else will put up the content :) Anyone who argues that the interweb will run out of content because of a lack of ad dollars is a fool. No, really, your a fool.
peace out
...RIM should also remove the government accounts.
Not me. I would spam them with tales of doom and gloom (end of service) if legislators don't step in and "fix" things. Hey! Remember when RIMjob sued Handspring because Treo used a qwerty keyboard. Around and 'round, what comes around goes around...
peace out
Same thing happened to me. I bought a laser jet right after that too. I tried the refill kits, it sucks. That darned ink jet required a lot of maintenance if it sat too long w/o use. A little dust in it was all it took to ruin a print. Clean. clean, clean, then try again. I could always count on one of the color cartidges to be empty when I finally got it working right. Some of the people in this thread justify cost for convenience, this was never my experience. I can get pics developed at $0.15 a piece 4 blocks from my home, that's convenient.
The buy in is expensive on lasers but the prints are a fraction of the cost and don't require special paper.I like the reliability most of all!
The article didn't really offer any plausible solutions, or for that matter, didn't really articulate the problem very well either. The author's writing style is a little whiny.
I j-just cr-cross my eyes!
The article seems to be a c-composite of b-blurbs. The b-blurbs support circular reasoning. I wish the article was a little m-more informative. There are a lot of Apple ru-m-mors this weekend.
-- stan