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2005 Will Probably be Warmest on Record

Nilmat writes "A Washington Post Article notes that 2005 will probably have the highest mean global temperature of any year since the advent of systematic temperature records. At the moment, the mean temperature is about 0.75 degrees C above the global mean from 1950 to 1990, approximately .04 degrees higher than 1998, the year of the previous record. Only something dramatic, such as a major volcanic eruption, could cause enough cooling to miss setting a new record."

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  1. Massive volcano eruption??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seeing as how I live 30 miles North of Yellowstone, I'm not rooting for that option.

    1. Re:Massive volcano eruption??? by bigman2003 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nothing to worry about here. That temperature change is in CELSIUS...we measure temperature in FARENHEIT, so it won't make a difference in America.

      Thank god we're not in Canadia.

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  2. My plans are on track by waynemcdougall · · Score: 4, Funny
    Only something dramatic, such as a major volcanic eruption, could cause enough cooling to miss setting a new record.
    Nothing can possibly go wrong now.
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  3. Volcanic eruption you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
  4. I'm starting to believe. by yagu · · Score: 4, Funny

    With each damning new report and every shred if indicting evidence that indeed the earth is entering into massive warming because of human activity it scares me a little more. As an average citizen, I am trying to help by:

    • keeping my hot tub set at 101 degrees or less
    • never setting the thermostat higher than 78 in the winter, or less than 72 in the summer
    • avoiding jack rabbit accelerations in my HumVee during my 60 mile commute to and from work
    • never, never using acclerants to start fires when clearing the trees from my property
    • always making sure my tv, stereo, and five computers are turned off when I leave the house
    • being careful to stay mostly on the trails when I'm riding my off-rode motorcycle (hmmmm, same goes for the HumVee)
    • filling the bathtub only 3/4 full when taking a bath each day

    I only wish others would wake up and smell the coffee and be diligent too.

    1. Re:I'm starting to believe. by bcat24 · · Score: 5, Funny
      I only wish others would wake up and smell the coffee and be diligent too.

      Nooooo! Making coffee only worsens global warming!
    2. Re:I'm starting to believe. by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As an average citizen, I don't even care. I'll be dead before it ever impacts me. That's not a very nice thing to say - I know - but it's practical.

      How many hundreds of people will have to nit-pick their entire lives over every purchase they make, every item they reuse, every thing they throw away, every little thing they consume, washing out tin cans to reuse them for... whatever... -- just to compensate for one illegally dumped barrel or government legitimized "waste disposal"?

      Anyway, I figure I've already done my part. I don't drive or own a car and I don't intend to have any kids.

      Frankly, I'm not sold on "man is killing the planet and causing it to heat up!". I'm open to it, but not sold on it. Nevertheless, it doesn't hurt for people, businesses and governments to take precautions anyway. Just because we may not be directly responsible for any global warming or cooling wouldn't mean that we shouldn't try to keep our planet clean and habitable for all on it anyway.

      If this trend continues though, I'll just start wearing whatever the appropriate colored ribbon is that shows I care about the environment. Look at all the people with aids that red ribbons have helped. It's almost like fricking prayer beads! Ooh!

  5. It's All Lies by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's all lies, I tell you, all lies! It's a conspiracy by the atheistic climatological establishment to make us all buy small cars and turn off our lights. It's every American's God-given right to puke greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. But thank God that George W. Bush, His faithful servant, is making sure that these foul secularist reports are altered, so that we can continue our God-sanctioned practice of driving large vehicles, burning fossil fuels for electricity and all those other things that a proper Christian country ought to do.

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    1. Re:It's All Lies by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ecological catastrophe is in revelations. It must be fufilled so that the lord may return, clean it up and let the meek rule the world while the know-it-all science geeks get poked by demons for their materialistic ambitions and lack of faith.
      Amen.

  6. volcano! by happyfrogcow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't count out a huge volcanic eruption. With all the natural disasters so far this year, a nice big poof out of a volcano would round things out nicely.

  7. The real question is by DoctorPhish · · Score: 4, Funny

    How long until my House in the Canadian Rockies becomes tropical beachfront?

    1. Re:The real question is by blamanj · · Score: 4, Informative

      Check out these maps to see how the coastlines would change (and have changed since the last ice age).

      No, the Canadian Rockies aren't threatened, but Florida would be about 1/3 under water if the West Antarctic ice sheet melted, and about 90% underwater if the East sheet melted as well.

  8. I don't know about you guys, but... by penguin_asylum · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's nice and cool in my new Hummer v2.

  9. Warmest 2005 on record? by toetagger1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    How many other 2005s do they have records of? If this is the only one, it will be the warmest, coldest, shortest, and longest 2005 on record forever!

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  10. Land sharks in Siberia by ghoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On a non related note real estate valuations in Siberia and Canada are rising to new highs.

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  11. Memo from God's Lawyer by ghoul · · Score: 4, Funny

    It has come to our notice that you have been using the registered trademark of our client GOD(TM) for justifying Mr George Bush's actions. This is a cease and desist order as our client has never authorized any of Mr George Bush's actions and frankly considerd such advertising offensive as Mr George Bush happens to be an employee of our rival firm.

    Thanking You
    The only lawyer in heaven

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  12. Re:Global Warming Is Not Bad by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    But I think even if global warming is real, it's not a big problem. We just came out of an ice age recently, I'd rather have it be more warm and cold. We'll just spend more time outdoors playing sports, enjoying the warm summer breeze, rather than freeze and shiver in the cold.

    This sounds great until you realize that more atmospheric energy implies more extreme weather. And that it will shift climate zones so that regions which were once temperate become deserts, or deserts become rainforests. A shift in the atmospheric equilibrium will lead to more water vapor in the atmosphere, and more intense rains and flooding. The sudden melting of vast quantities of land-locked ice will release pressure from the earth and potentially lead to earthquakes (did you know that the island of Great Britain is slowly tilting because of the enormous weight of ice that was lifted during the last Ice Age? And that happened gently over thousands of years.)

    You know, maybe humans are responsible for global warming, and maybe they're not. But it's happening, and perhaps it would be prudent to do what we can to not enhance the warming any further. Because you know, why fuck with the one planet we've got?

  13. Science is hard by jfengel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, correlation is not causation. But when you have correlation and the most accurate models imply causation, you definitely have to think hard about what you're doing. The fact that global warming was predicted by the models before the data could be taken further suggest that it's not simply alarmist readings of the data.

    Science is hard; in many fields it's impossible to prove causation completely. But when you have a theory, and the theory holds up to all the available data, you act as if the theory were true and make decisions based on that. You don't over-react as long as there are competing theories that imply otherwise, but this is one more piece of data to suggest that global warming is very real and quite possibly man-made.

    The "quite possibly" means that we shouldn't over-react; as you say, the correlation need not imply causation. But as the burden of evidence falls on the side of man-made global warming, it becomes increasingly dangerous to rely on "Yeah, but are you really, utterly, totally, completely sure?" arguments against action.

    1. Re:Science is hard by jnaujok · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Those models do not "predict" global warming. They show a trend towards warming with an increase in atmospheric CO2. However to call these models "the most accurate" is quite a stretch. I ask you to look into the quality of these models and ask simple questions, such as, "do you accurately model the largest heat sink on the planet, or are your oceans just a thin slab of water that is basically a rigidly driven model that doesn't adjust to changes realistically." Ask if they solve their fluid model for all variables, or do they just solve for two of the three (pressure and temperature, but not volume). I can go on for hours about how completely inaccurate these models are.

      But I don't have to. The models show that CO2 causes an increase because the modelers set up the model so that CO2 holds more heat in the model. Good golly, what a shock.

      On the other hand, we have data that all of the inner planets are now heating up. The Twin MER rover teams were shocked at how warm the Martian winter was this year on Mars. They never expected their rovers to make it through the winter, yet both survived without a problem. In just the 30 years since the Viking missions, the temperature of Mars has increased substantially. In fact, it's done so by very nearly the exact same percentage as the temperatures seen on Earth. Similar remote measurements of Venus have shown the same increase.

      Now, unless you want to claim that Dick Cheney is secretly driving his SUV's on Mars, that means the cause of the rise in temperature must be mainly external. And, oh look, here's a study that's found just that.

      Science is hard, Climatology is very hard. We have no hard evidence to support anthropogenic global warming theories. We have computer models. The same people on this list who would scoff at the idea of a computer predicting the weather one week in advance, will accept, without the slightest hesitation, the prediction of a computer 100 years into the future. And, no, don't give me the "it's climate, the little changes disappear into climate" because that's bullshit. It's been disproven time and time again. The "best model" in 1995 mispredicted the temperature in 2000 by 300%. That's not a minor mistake, that's not within one standard deviation, that's a wild-ass guess that was totally wrong.

      Trillions of dollars and Millions of lives will be lost if the "we should take action just in case" crowd wins. Some of the best estimates say that cutting CO2 by 50% will cost 1.5 BILLION LIVES by 2100. Are you so eager to pull the trigger?

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    2. Re:Science is hard by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

      Despite doubts about whether or not human activity is contributing to gloabl warming, we still have the responsibility to minimize our impact.

      As you point out, Climatology is hard. There are several known unknowns, and even more unknown unkowns. Until we can be CERTAIN that we are not taking the risk of causing dramatic climate change, particularly given the haunting specter of a threshhold after which climate changes accelerates, we need to proceed with caution.

      If there is ANY believable evidence that our actions are causing global warming, we need to take action to lessen those actions.

      Period.

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    3. Re:Science is hard by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Why? I have said it before and I will say it again -- IT DOES NOT MATTER! The Earth will fix itself. The human race is not important in the grand scheme of things as far as the Earth is concerned."

      Nice. Do you take the same approach to individual pollution (like throwing plastic bags in a stream), or to violent criminal activity? I mean, really, killing 10 people doesn't make a difference to society as a whole, it will heal itself.

      Your lack of respect for the world around us is scary. The Earth will go on, it is true. But in what form? Why should WE be the agents of change? How is it acceptable for us to cause mass extinctions, to remake the planet as we see fit? To poison other species, and ourselves, just because we think that in the long run, it doesn't matter?

      Your selfish attitude should absolutely appall anyone with a sense of personal responsibility.

      What gives you the right to deprive future generations from experiencing the Earth in its natural state, or as close to it as possible?

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    4. Re:Science is hard by syphax · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh man, you were talking a good game until you came out with the The "best model" in 1995 mispredicted the temperature in 2000 by 300% LIE.

      How many times must this lie be debunked?

      Apparently, very many times. Key points: It wasn't 1995, it was 1988, and Hansen wasn't off by 300%, he was frickin' on the money.

      Also, remember that Arrhenius predicted anthropogenic CO2 global warming over 100 years ago. The basic premise- more atmospheric CO2 means more trapped heat- is well-understood and not controversial. The open question is the strength of the climate's negative feedback cycles.

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  14. Re:Let me be the first troll to say by the+real+manta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Try telling that to people living in low lying coastal areas or on small islands.

  15. The Weather Makers by tarvo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read this book The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery, if you are genuinely interested in doing something about climate chnage.

    It is brilliant and timely call to action for everyone to reconsider their energy use as it applies to C02 emmissions.

  16. Re:Grapes in Sweden by Misagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wine is grown on Gotland today and there is information on that site which you can use to compare the growing conditions to other parts of Sweden.

    You should also consider that many of our cultivated species are not as resilient to weather conditions as the older variations they originate from. It is quite possible that the grape found in Sweden in the neolithic area could survive the present-day climate.
    Humans have also wiped out entire species in prehistoric times. Grapes are tasty. :)

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  17. Whoa, hold on a second by benhocking · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are you actually suggesting that a web-site called "friendsofscience.org" wouldn't actually be friendly to science? Next thing you're going to tell me is that the Clear Skies Initiative allows for increases in pollution...

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  18. Recent demonstration of global warming by ManufacturedMirth · · Score: 4, Informative

    Myth 1: Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate.
    Fact: Accurate satellite, balloon and mountain top observations made over the last three decades have not shown any significant change in the long term rate of increase in global temperatures.


    No, that's not true at all. All terrestrial measurements have shown a steady increase - the satellite measurements were the exceptions, and showed a much slower increase in temperature.

    Until last year, fossil fuel advocates pointed to the satellite measurements as refutation of the warming trend. Then, a bunch of clever guys realised that the problem was that the satellite measurements were taking an average of a rapidly heating troposphere (where we live) and a cooler upper section of the atmosphere.

    There's a great discussion of this in the rather frightening book The Weather Makers by Australian scientist Tim Flannery, which is due for release in the US about now.

  19. Re:Let me be the first to say by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd rather listen to a scientist than to a "friend" of science.

    It seems very suspicious than an organization could be dedicated EXCLUSIVELY to deny claims about global warming.

    Plus, why is it called with such an emotionally moving name like "friends of science"?

    I searched google, and the only references to friendsofscience.org were forums inside that same site. Plus, I checked the hosting company, and it's "reveal.ca", a BUSINESS SEARCH company.

    Can you spell "Astroturfing"?

    Look, it's MORE THAN OBVIOUS that companies will lose A LOT OF MONEY if the U.S. abides by the Kyoto Protocol. Don't you think that they will start creating phantom organisations to dismiss the idea of global warming?

    Look, we all know what companies like Microsoft are capable of. You think companies that produce huge emissions of CO2 and other pollutants wouldn't do ANYTHING to keep earning money?

    I'm sorry but you seem to naive to believe the "friends of science".

  20. Re:Let me be the first troll to say by jcochran · · Score: 4, Informative

    Record highs?

    Hmm. I don't think so.

    After all, they're still finding Viking farms under the ice in Greenland.
    I suspect that we have people looking at short term changes and ignoring the geological evidence about cyclic changes in world temperatures.

    As another data point look at: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/ mars_snow_011206-1.html

    Somehow, I don't think what man is doing on Earth has much of an effect on Mars.

  21. Re:Let me be the first troll to say by ccp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Suppose the temperate band moves 5 degrees towards the poles, what happens? Would there be the same amount of arable land, or more, or less?

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY has the slightest idea.
    And even worse, nobody will ever have.
    You see, climate is the poster child for dynamic complex systems, and is inherently unpredictable beyond a few days.
    Climate is obviously affected by global mean temperature, but is not the same thing.
    A lot of people here seems to think that a warmer Earth will be just like now, but you know, warmer.
    In reality, even a small change of mean temperature is going to cause massive disruptions in climate patterns, but we have no way to predict them.

    Cheers,

    Carlos Cesar

  22. Re:Let me be the first to say by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 4, Informative
    If they are "friends of science", they maybe should read some current papers - and maybe not quote old ones out of context. As far as "Myth 1" is concerned, it is true that there has been (and to a small degree still is) a discrepancy between surface temperature and climate models on the one side, and balloon and satellite data on the other hand. However, recent publications have very nearly closed that gap. It turned out that the satellite data suffered from undetected orbital drift (i.e. the satellites reported night time temperatures as day time temperatures) and the balloons suffer from a number of sensor and calibration problems. If the data is corrected for these errors, there is a rather good fit with current climate models.

    "Myth 4" is another mixture of truth and falsehood. Yes, water vapour is a greenhouse gas. However, relative humidity is more or less a constant in the atmosphere. Thus, the amount of water vapour (absolute humidity) is driven by the temperature. In this way water vapour increases the effect of any other heating - its an amplifier, but not a cause of global warming.

    If you look over the site, you find more gems. "Myth 6", for example, not-cites the 1996 IPCC report, totally ignoring the current (2001) and upcoming reports.

    Wikipedia has a reasonable good set of articles on global warming.

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  23. Re:Let me be the first to say by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    But it's the main requisite.

    Sometimes it is. But quite often, it is the main thing leading you down the wrong path.

    In this case, the "I know what's happening crowd" is looking at some very tiny variations from a very abbreviated data set and drawing some very large conclusions from them, and then clamoring for some very profound and difficult reactions on the part of, well, just about everyone.

    It is well to keep in mind that that the .04 degree quoted in the article is not .04% (it is much less) and that the highest recorded temperature means that we've got a number which should be evaluated as one sample out of 1x10^6 if we want to understand what this year's temperature stats mean in terms of human history.

    Yet... it can only be evaluated as one sample out of 2x10^3, which can be fairly characterized as what it means to my grandfather and not a lot more.

    That's not to say that global warming is, or isn't, happening. Just that these temperature measurements are woefully lacking as good quality signposts. We can add to that a few core measurements and some general knowledge, which doesn't significantly improve the quality of the data for our current situation.

    We should keep in mind that the earth sees huge temperature swings without the aid of man's actions. At one time, North America was tropical here in Montana. I live not even 15 miles from where you can dig T. Rex skeletons from the ground as well as tropical vegetation. At another time, this area was covered by glaciers. Neither circumstance required or depended upon man's intervention or activity.

    Yes, the world changes without our approval. Yes, we'll have to adapt if it does. Yes, we'll have to be clever about it when the changes are major. No, this year's temperature isn't a certain sign of any such change. Yes, we should continue to pay attention. No, we shouldn't start running around like chickens.

    We now return you to your usual sensationalist ravings. :-)

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  24. Re:Since you asked... by AGMW · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... it won't happen such that a bunch of lowland dwellers go to sleep Tuesday night, dry, and wake up Wednesday morning floating on their mattresses. We will see it coming, people and businesses can migrate (and they will... believe me, they will.)

    *cough-katrina-cough*

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