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New VAIOs Made of Carbon Fiber

Shawnzyoo noted that Sony has released their new series of VAIO TX laptops. In order to make them stronger/lighter/thinner, they are now made of carbon fiber. No plans to release it in the US yet, so start learning Korean if you want this one.

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  1. Re:korean? by gunpowda · · Score: 2, Informative

    First line of TFA:
    Sony Korea announced two new VAIO TX series notebooks...

  2. I'll Let Them Try It First by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Carbon fiber is used fairly extensively in cycling and we've learned a few things about it. They have lower heat tolerance and abrasion resistance than metal. I'm not sure if those are qualities you want in a laptop which tend to get hot and rub against the table.

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    1. Re:I'll Let Them Try It First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Early Thinkpads, starting with the Thinkpad 700c and including most 7-series models until the 770z, had carbon fibre cases as well as lids. It's strong and light, but metal inserts (like screw anchors) in carbon fibre tend to pop out easily with very little force. Overall, a well-designed ABS case is probably just as good at a fraction of the cost.

    2. Re:I'll Let Them Try It First by blair1q · · Score: 4, Funny

      All my PCs are coated in plastic.

      I for one welcome our carbon-fiber overshells.

    3. Re:I'll Let Them Try It First by jgc7 · · Score: 2, Informative
      CFRP (Carbon Fiber Reinforced Plastic) is better thought of as a very strong plastic rather than a substitue for metal. Because plastic works fine as a laptop case, there should be no worries about carbon fiber.

      IMO, metal is the preferred material for laptop cases versus any plastic (carbon fiber reinforced or otherwise). While CFRPs have a higher tensile strength to weight ratio, they tend to be brittle. I would rather have a dent in the case than a crack.

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    4. Re:I'll Let Them Try It First by eepok · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not sure if those are qualities you want in a laptop which tend to get hot and rub against the table.

      NOR a terrier... believe you me.

  3. How is this different than the CF TX for NA? by cullman · · Score: 5, Informative
  4. Keyboard is Korean by Dj-Zer0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Guys

    Maybe you need to fdisk and replace the keyboard.. or stick some stickers along to make the keys english. Not that you need to but makes it easier at times

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    1. Re:Keyboard is Korean by Barnoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dude, have you ever seen a Korean keyboard? Probably not.
      It looks exactly as an English one, except that the Korean keys are printed in the lower right corner of the keys and it features an additional 'Korean/English' input mode key between Space and Alt Gr.

  5. Electrical properties by asadodetira · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd like to point out that using carbon fibers or nanotubes in consumer electronics has electrical advantages. Using a conductive filler you can achieve electromagnetic interference (EMI) protection or electrostatic dissipation (ESD). Other conductive fillers such as carbon black or metallic powders would work but due to the small aspect ratio of the particles they require large amounts, and this degrades the mechanical properties of the polymer. Some more infomration here http://www.patagon.8m.com/equations/cnt.html

  6. Oh man... by Shanep · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just dropped $5k AU on a VAIO VGN-A49GP about 2 months ago. I bought it for the spectacular display (17" 1920x1200), but I am a little disappointed with it feeling a little flimsy after not much use. Even the silver paint on the palm rests is already wearing off and showing the black plastic underneath.

    Metal or carbon fiber would have been nice, especially at this price point and size.

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  7. Re:Carbon Fiber? by hsmith · · Score: 5, Funny

    it makes it faster by 1ghz, just from the carbon fiber alone

  8. Re:Learn Korean? by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 5, Funny

    The two biggest mysteries of the world: How morons get modpoints, and how a first post can get marked as redundant.

  9. Re:Learn Korean? by ducleotide · · Score: 5, Informative

    the sony website is taking pre orders, i'm guessing it'll be released in the US soon.

  10. Re:Learn Korean? by darkitecture · · Score: 3, Funny

    Isn't that what Babelfish is for?

    If you want to order a laptop and end up with six low-grade pairs of headphones and a guide to haircare written by Kim Jong-il, sure!

  11. Re:Learn Korean? by kromozone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most Koreans can't understand anything babelfish says. It's complete unintelligible gibberish to them. Korean->English can be equally nightmarish. Most Koreans don't follow traditional rules for word separation, so the system can't figure out where the words end. In addition, hangul uses a very limited range of pronunciation whereas as its parent language, Chinese, has a variety of different inflections. As such, each Korean character has up to 50 or 60 different meanings. I can get by with most stuff, even technical documents, but talking to a University age student on the Internet is excruciatingly painful. It's like they all use some hyper-evolved form of leet-speak where you can't use spaces.

  12. This is already in Japan - it's the Type T VAIO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This was out in Japan first - it's the Type T VAIO.

    http://www.jp.sonystyle.com/Style-a/Product/T/inde x.html

    Depending on how good your Japanese is, they do say it is made of multi-layered carbon fibre.

  13. Re:"AV mode"? by jandrese · · Score: 2, Informative

    If it's anything like the latest Asus motherboards, the whole media player thing is handled in the BIOS. All it does is turn on the sound card, set the mixer settings to something reasonable, and send a "play start" command to the CD-ROM. It doesn't need an OS because it's not doing anything sophisticated. The whole thing is probably 200 bytes or so, and most of that is the interface.

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  14. Re:In Korea... by Shanep · · Score: 2, Funny

    In Korea, carbon fiber is for old people.

    Do I detect a new /. inspired cliché or am I late to this one?

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  15. Re:Written by a monkey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    They set up us the carbon!

  16. Re:Learn Korean? by saigon_from_europe · · Score: 2, Funny

    I agree those thing are unresolved misteries: for instance, I need mod-point now to mod you up, but I have none.

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  17. Re:safe? by CausticPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't carbon fibre both flammable as well as electrically conductive?

    If it was flammable, it would certainly be a very poor choice for constructing race cars.

    As for electrical conductivity, it wouldn't be any more of an issue than metal notebook casings which are already widely used.

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  18. Re:One word... by LikwidFlux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Except for the price concern. Not all people need the functionality of a laptop and would rather spend a grand less and get a cheap portable DVD player.....

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  19. "Instant" mode by gantos · · Score: 4, Funny

    This AV mode button makes the instant Mode available in 12secs without any booting process.

    Is 12secs the new definition for "instant"?

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  20. Re:Learn Korean? by MaestroSartori · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now straying dangerously offtopic, but if the first post just regurgitates a bit of the summary (or article) then surely it could be redundant? :)

  21. Maybe the article says that... by BJH · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...but it was presumably written by someone only familiar with Sony Korea, as Sony (the Japanese parent company) has already released the same model in Japan.

  22. Re:Yet another reason not to put it on your lap... by CottonEyedJoe · · Score: 5, Informative

    When carbon composites fail, they do so spectacularly, as opposed to Al, steel or Ti which usually just crumple a bit. They are also prone to directional issues. A teammate of mine slammed on the brakes hard in a race to avoid a crash and the lateral forces on his fishtailing rear wheel snapped his Zipp 303 (a carbon rimmed bicycle wheel) in half. The wheel was stronger than an aluminum rim in one direction, but weak under minor lateral forces that an Al rim would easily have weathered. As for laptops on your lap.... Carbon isnt known for spontaneous failure under no load at all... Unless you're sitting on it I wouldnt worry. BTW, what is it with cyclists and good beer? Nothing like a bomber of Dreadnaught to recover after an 80 mi race.

  23. Re:Learn Korean? by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 3, Funny

    Most Koreans can't understand anything babelfish says

    So this is an entirely different Slashdot article now. Ask Slashdot: Can you successfully order a laptop from Korea without actually speaking Korean? I would like to see some of the creative solutions people come up with.

  24. Re:Learn Korean? by highwind81 · · Score: 2, Informative

    its parent language, Chinese

    errr... what makes you think that Chinese is the parent language of Korean? Chinese is Sino-Tibetan language. Where as Korean is considered to be unclassified, or Altaic language or language isolate.
    I hate ignorant people...

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  25. ASUS has CF notebooks already by poity · · Score: 3, Informative

    ASUS, one of Sony's main notebook manufacturers (Sony doesn't make their own laptops), already make use of carbon fiber chassis in some of their own ultraportable/thin-and-light models, which have been available in North America for a few years.

    One particular model I have is from their M6 series, which has since been replaced by their updated Z70 series, both with CF chassis.

    What's even better is that since ASUS notebooks aren't sold retail, they come at nearly half the price for similar functionality, performance, and aesthetic quality as a comparable Sony.

    Check out www.asus.com for online reseller links

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  26. Re:Learn Korean? by derfel · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hangul is not the language, but the Korean alphabet. When you say "korean characters" maybe you mean "hanmoon", the korean version of Chinese characters. These have only one meaning and are used interchangably with their hangul'ized counterparts in writing. Hanmoon are very, very similar, to chinese characters, and also generally have only one meaning each. The hangul'ized versions are produced phonetically from the pronunciation of the hanmoon, and thus are just as understandable if you're speaking. Since so many characters with the same pronunciation have different meanings, you have to understand from context, just as we do in English with words like "too" and "two".

    Maybe you're trying to chat with Korean students in Chinese over the internet, which would explain your poor understanding of the Korean language...

  27. Thinkpads have had this for years... by yani · · Score: 2, Informative
    Ever since the T20 most thinkpads have had carbon fiber re-inforced lids and the T43/X41s have completely carbon re-inforced bodies.

    Drop a Thinkpad and a VAIO and I know which one my money is on...

    This is yet another story in the past year that makes me wonder if Slashdot really has just become an advertising venue, willingly, or through negligence.

  28. Re:Learn Korean? by Surt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Likewise, when slashdot repeats a story, a lot of posters will try to repost the highest ranked posts from the previous story in an attempt to get karma, and moderating such posts redundant is an appropriate way to punish this behavior, even if such a post is the first post, or any early post.

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  29. Dual Functionality by Toxicgonzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    they are now made of carbon fiber

    Is this my dream come true? Can I finally use my laptop as a tennis racket?

  30. Re:In Korea... by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 2, Informative

    It was inspired by a story how young people prefer Instant Messaging to email, and old people still used email. Link: In Korea, Email Is Only For Old People

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  31. Re:Carbon Fiber? by AndersOSU · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, the carbon fiber only adds 500Mhz, you need the aftermarket wing crudely bolted through the LCD to get the 1GHz boost.

  32. Re:safe? by CausticPuppy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually I believe it _is_ flammable and _I_ build race cars out of it. (http://me.unm.edu/~fsae/teams/2005/). However, my mind blanked and I forgot how high the temperature has to be before it will oxidize.

    It'll oxidize at a very high temperature, but I think the oxidation stops as soon as the heat source is removed so you won't get a sustainable burn (but I Am Not a Materials Scientist). This may be another reason why it's useful in race cars along with strength and weight. Carbon brake pads don't readily ignite either, right?

    At any rate, if anything in a laptop shell gets hot enough to oxidize carbon fiber, you probably have other things to worry about!

    Nice cars by the way, those things must have a scary power to weight ratio. And I'm drooling over that Ford GT.

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  33. Vaio X505/CP by lewiz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not only are carbon fibre laptops not knew, neither are carbon fibre Vaios.

    Certain Vaio X505 models have carbon fibre models, including the X505/CP, which I am typing on right now. I think it's as much a gimmick as anything else, but it does look good.

    You can find out all sorts of 505 info at http://www.siliconpopculture.com/sonytr/viewtopic. php?t=3889&sid=6456be6419d0fc2b769d268570aaeae1 which is an interview with a lot of the designers. The X505 is sort of like what Yamaha did with the NS-1000M monitors way back when -- threw money to make the best/smallest monitors/laptop. I still have no idea how many got shipped but I've not seen more than one or two in use in England.

    Some good photos are available at http://www.dynamism.com/x505/index.shtml

  34. Re:Carbon Fiber? by MADCOWbeserk · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm ordering mine with a wing and a Type-R sicker.

  35. Re:Why not japanese? by Bobartig · · Score: 2, Informative

    Having studied both Korean and Japanese for several years, I'd say, yes, Korean is easier to learn. The korean alphabet consists almost entirely of straight lines which are easy to learn and reproduce. Pronunciation is very consistent, and when it varies, it is predictable because character positioning largely dictates pronunciation. Their alphabet is something like 14 consonants and 10 vowels. To make things simpler, they use different vowels for dipthongs and such, so each vowel only has one possible pronunciation (as opposed to our vowel system). So reading their written language is a series of consonant-vowel-consonant structures that are at least easy to read. So if you know 'k-a' and you know 'n', then you can trivially construct 'n-a' as well.

    Japanese is also very systematic, having something like 8 primary consonant sounds, and 5 primary vowel sounds, but each combination of consonant vowel has its own character, for 40+ individual characters that seem entirely independent. Learning the character for 'ka' doesn't teach you anything about the character for 'sa' or for 'ko'. They also have a second alphabet, which is a simplified version of the first reserved for writing foreign words, proper nouns, and some names.

    Both languages make extensive usage of chinese characters in their written language as well. The challege arrives in that in different contexts, chinese characters are substituted for native characters (either japanese or korean), but can have entirely different meanings and pronunciations depending on context. To further mire the situation, a single chinese character can replace different numbers of native characters, making the translation/reading process rather intense. For instance, the chinese character for mouth is used in japanese in the words for mouth, opening, door, gate, etc... but the japanese words were derived from ancient spoken japanese, so its replacing japanese character(s) with a chinese one of rather unsimilar origin.

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