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Browser Stats For The BBC Homepage

Lord_Scrumptious writes "An interesting article titled 'The software used to access the BBC homepage' has recently been published on a blog by a BBC employee. It's all about the different browsers and operating systems accessing the BBC's homepage. The analysis is from a week of page requests in September 2005. Not surprisingly, Internet Explorer accounted for 85% of site visits, but Firefox had a very respectable 9.7% share. Even requests from Sony's handheld PSP device were recorded, but interestingly there's no mention of mobile phone devices."

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  1. Finally.... by odaen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Finally some reliable website records which arn't off some obscure coding page. :)

    1. Re:Finally.... by searlea · · Score: 5, Informative

      You make a good point, that cache config can affect the amount of traffic directly hitting your website, and therefore affects your logs.

      However, given the headers returned by the BBC site, caches should NOT cache the HTML, as the headers say the content expires immediately:

      Expires: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:57:59 GMT
      Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:57:59 GMT
      Content-Type: text/html
      Server: Zeus/4.2
      Cache-Control: max-age=0

      So, the BBC figures may be more accurate than you think.

  2. Mobile devices by griffinn · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are specific editions for mobile devices. It's no wonder that they don't access the the front page directly.

    Many people go to BBC, CNN and other major sites through their mobile service provider's front pages. These would naturally point to the dedicated mobile editions too.

  3. errr by scenestar · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Linux (various distributions) 0.41%

    Windows Vista 0.15%

      MSFT's unreleased os has nearly the same market share as linux?

    We've got a long way to go.

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    1. Re:errr by odaen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what you are saying is that 1 in 11 people I walk up to on the street will be using Linux?

      I think not.

    2. Re:errr by Tet · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Most linux people use a browser string to look like windows so sites wont reject them.

      Errr... no. Most Linux users will use the default setting for their browser, which for most people will not identify them at using Windows or IE. Yes, a very small number of people will do this, but to claim that it's "most" is just laughable.

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  4. If we all set up some bots... by nmoog · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...with a shiny firefox user agent string - we could easy get that figure up to 30%!

  5. Representative of Overall Market Share by Mad+Man · · Score: 4, Informative

    As of September 2005, Internet Explorer has an 85% market share, while Firefox has a 9.5% market share.

    The BBC's numbers are simply representative of this, as any large web site would be.

  6. mobile devices by nother_nix_hacker · · Score: 4, Informative

    The BBC provide specific pages for mobile devices. The front page is way too big/rich for a limited handset.

  7. Variability by site by danfreak · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Interesting. I wonder how much variation there is of browser use by other sites... I imagine BBC is higher than most in the Mozilla-bred catagory, as the BBC News site has posted lots of articles about Firefox over the years. I wonder how different it would be for msn.com, foxnews.com etc.

    On a related note, I hosted some pictures on my website last week that were posted into a fark.com forum, 47.6% of fark readers seem to use Firefox (from some 14,000 hits in two days) - I bet slashdot beats this though!

  8. Fatally Flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I visit the BBC web site multiple times a day, but I haven't been to the "main" page in months. I expect most regular Firefox visitors will have bookmarks or just type a URL that goes past the main page.

    The author does point this out:
    And I must stress again, these figures don't represent the breakdown of visitors to the BBC site as a whole, they are based on requests to the homepage alone, over the course of one week in September. Nevertheless I think they provide an interesting snapshot of web activity.

    but it should have been avoided

  9. Slashdot stats?` by zerojoker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Would be interesting too. Browser stats, OS stats ...

  10. Re:Opera by YA_Python_dev · · Score: 5, Informative
    My install of Opera is set to identify itself as IE... are those figures trustworthy?

    Yes, they are.
    Old versions of Opera that identify themselves as IE by default use a user agent string like this:

    Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; X11; Linux i686; en) Opera 8.02

    So the "Opera" string is here and easily identifiable.

    New versions should simply use the proper Opera UA string by default.

    If you use Opera I suggest to check that it sends the "correct" Opera UA string: the sky will (mostly) not fall down.

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  11. BBC news, typically read at work by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So it's probably about right for UK business desktop stats.

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  12. No MSI build for Firefox - no mass deployment by ph1l0r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    at companies that run Windows clients. I wouldn't bother to install Firefox more of less by hand on hundreds of desktops myself. The Firefox guys should really get a MSI build ready for easy deployment _and_ update. Firefox is just not 100% enterprise ready like IE is with it's managabilty by group policies. I wonder how many people check bbc.co.uk from their workplace. They might even have Firefox installed on their home computer.

    1. Re:No MSI build for Firefox - no mass deployment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      There you go..
      http://www.frontmotion.com/Firefox/
      MSI installers for Mozilla Firefox! Useful for installing Firefox on a single computer for the home user or deploy across thousands of computers automatically with Microsoft's Active Directory. Use Firefox on your corporate computers to decrease virus incidents and increase overall security. Save time and frustration with our installer that is targeted toward the corporate IT administrator with manageability and upgradeability in mind. This is not just a wrapper around the exe installer nor is it another half baked 'captured' install.

  13. Super Respectable by Mulletproof · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "but Firefox had a very respectable 9.7% share."

    I use firefox and even I can't keep a strait face reading that line. I mean have some self-worth, man. There's nothing respectable about that. Can't we aim just a tad higher here? Especially if we're gonna tag on the word "very"?

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  14. All I could get of the article (page 1 and 2) by a.different.perspect · · Score: 4, Informative

    It started with a casual enquiry from a colleague - "I wonder how many Firefox users visit the BBC homepage?" - and before I knew it I was involved in a lengthy statistical analysis of the browsers and operating systems that request the BBC homepage at http://www.bbc.co.uk/

    Our old stats reporting tool at the BBC gives a breakdown of requests from different user agent strings, which is where the browsers and operating systems people use to navigate around the web leave their digital fingerprints. It is about to be phased out in favour of a new solution, but I'm not sure that the new system gives the same granularity of data, so once I'd started, I thought I'd look at the figures in some detail before the old system gives up the ghost.

    Now if you've never looked at user agent strings, they are rather dull and geeky, and full of lots of technical gubbins like these examples:

    * Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-GB; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050717 Firefox/1.0.6
    * Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/85.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/85.5
    * Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; America Online Browser 1.1; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
    * Mozilla/4.0 NETIKUS.NET GetHttp v1.0
    * Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Hotbar 4.5.1.0)
    * Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE)
    * Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 Firebird/0.7
    * Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; T312461; BT [build 60A])

    There are of course some caveats around the figures I'm about to talk about.

    User agent strings aren't an exact science. Or rather, they ought to be, but in the real world the come out a right mess. I've done my best to untangle them, but I still ended up with a significant number of user agents that I could not identify properly. And that is before we get started on the corporate networks that use the UA string to broadcast their corporate branding to the world whilst masking their operating system. Or requests claiming to come from both Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Explorer 5.5. Or that claim to be from a particular Linux distribution and Windows 98 at the same time. Or the plain weird like the inadvisably named KummClient from Hungary that proudly proclaims 'Linux rulez' to anyone like me dull enough to be delving through their logfiles.

    User agent statistics on something as big as the BBC homepage could almost be the very definition of the long tail. The most popular user agent string - IE6 on Windows XP - clocked up nearly 6 million requests. I only counted user agents that had made more than 50 requests, but between 6 million and 50 requests there were nearly 11,000 different user agents to look at. Examining that number of requests accounted for 95% of the reported traffic, but only around 1/3 of the stats report. I initially suspected that counting the whole of the tail was likely to increase the market share I derived for the quirkier set-ups, but a random sample showed that a large proportion of the tail consisted of the most popular browsers and operating systems, but with different installed toolbars or corporate network messages that distinguished them as a unique string.

    And I must stress again, these figures don't represent the breakdown of visitors to the BBC site as a whole, they are based on requests to the homepage alone, over the course of one week in September. Nevertheless I think they provide an interesting snapshot of web activity.

    In total I've examined around 32 million requests to the BBC servers - although some of these have been discounted as 'unknowns' and some originate from crawlers and spiders.

    The complete dominance of Windows XP and Internet Explor

  15. Re:As always, defaults play a role by IngramJames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Firefox comes a preloaded RSS feed ... that points to the BBC for news

    Maybe so, but that's not the homepage, which is from where the stats were taken :-)

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  16. Obvious solution by LaughingCoder · · Score: 4, Funny

    The obvious solution is to make the BBC homepage the default homepage for Firefox!

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  17. Re:Opera by peterpi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    To the nearest few percent they are trustworthy, even with your Opera install skewing the figures.

    We need to remember that people who do unusual things with unusual browsers are an incredibly small fraction of all internet users. The message of the article is that there's very rougly a 8/1/1 split between IE, firefox and 'other'. That message is not affected in the slightest by Opera, lynx or any other niche browser.

  18. Re:User Agent Switcher by Vo0k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, switch to "googlebot" and have free access to all these pay-for-registration sites.

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  19. Re:LATE BREAKING NEWS!!! by julesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is the BBC homepage supposed to reflect some important or signifigant user base?

    Yes. It is probably the broadest cross section of mostly British web users you are likely to find on a single site.

    The fact that nearly 10% of those users use firefox is particularly relevant, and is a good weapon for those of us who do commercial web design to persuade our clients that the extra work to support alternative browsers properly *is* worth it.