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Browser Stats For The BBC Homepage
Lord_Scrumptious writes "An interesting article titled 'The software used to access the BBC homepage' has recently been published on a blog by a BBC employee. It's all about the different browsers and operating systems accessing the BBC's homepage. The analysis is from a week of page requests in September 2005. Not surprisingly, Internet Explorer accounted for 85% of site visits, but Firefox had a very respectable 9.7% share. Even requests from Sony's handheld PSP device were recorded, but interestingly there's no mention of mobile phone devices."
Finally some reliable website records which arn't off some obscure coding page. :)
There are specific editions for mobile devices. It's no wonder that they don't access the the front page directly.
Many people go to BBC, CNN and other major sites through their mobile service provider's front pages. These would naturally point to the dedicated mobile editions too.
Linux (various distributions) 0.41%
Windows Vista 0.15%
MSFT's unreleased os has nearly the same market share as linux?
We've got a long way to go.
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...with a shiny firefox user agent string - we could easy get that figure up to 30%!
As of September 2005, Internet Explorer has an 85% market share, while Firefox has a 9.5% market share.
The BBC's numbers are simply representative of this, as any large web site would be.
The BBC provide specific pages for mobile devices. The front page is way too big/rich for a limited handset.
My install of Opera is set to identify itself as IE to websites as I am sure many others set theirs the same way on install. So in that light, are those figures trustworthy?
On a related note, I hosted some pictures on my website last week that were posted into a fark.com forum, 47.6% of fark readers seem to use Firefox (from some 14,000 hits in two days) - I bet slashdot beats this though!
I visit the BBC web site multiple times a day, but I haven't been to the "main" page in months. I expect most regular Firefox visitors will have bookmarks or just type a URL that goes past the main page.
The author does point this out:
And I must stress again, these figures don't represent the breakdown of visitors to the BBC site as a whole, they are based on requests to the homepage alone, over the course of one week in September. Nevertheless I think they provide an interesting snapshot of web activity.
but it should have been avoided
Would be interesting too. Browser stats, OS stats ...
Well, I for one couldn't access that blog. Here's a mirror...
How about Slashdot generating a mirror link via a neat little "mirror" icon next to the links?
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Hmmmmm.... Slashdotted already.
I have a hunch this guy's web stats are going to show a MASSIVE influx of FireFox users, then a long period of downtime...
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one " -Albert Einstein
He had over 33,000 different user agents to sort through - why don't you email him and offer to trawl through the 22,000 UAs making up the 5% of traffic that he didn't generate stats for.
First here is mirrordot link, if you cannot open page (slashdoteffect).
My site and blog mostly related to Linux and Open source stuff, and here is my exprince so far:
OS
Most of the corporate users, uses Windows XP/2000 desktop
Individual user uses Linux/BSD/Mac OS desktop
Browser
Firefox rules
IE (6.x/5.x)
So it depend upon your site content, if you wanna see this stats they are here
The important thing is not to stop questioning --Albert Einstein.
So it's probably about right for UK business desktop stats.
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at companies that run Windows clients. I wouldn't bother to install Firefox more of less by hand on hundreds of desktops myself. The Firefox guys should really get a MSI build ready for easy deployment _and_ update. Firefox is just not 100% enterprise ready like IE is with it's managabilty by group policies. I wonder how many people check bbc.co.uk from their workplace. They might even have Firefox installed on their home computer.
"but Firefox had a very respectable 9.7% share."
I use firefox and even I can't keep a strait face reading that line. I mean have some self-worth, man. There's nothing respectable about that. Can't we aim just a tad higher here? Especially if we're gonna tag on the word "very"?
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It started with a casual enquiry from a colleague - "I wonder how many Firefox users visit the BBC homepage?" - and before I knew it I was involved in a lengthy statistical analysis of the browsers and operating systems that request the BBC homepage at http://www.bbc.co.uk/
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Our old stats reporting tool at the BBC gives a breakdown of requests from different user agent strings, which is where the browsers and operating systems people use to navigate around the web leave their digital fingerprints. It is about to be phased out in favour of a new solution, but I'm not sure that the new system gives the same granularity of data, so once I'd started, I thought I'd look at the figures in some detail before the old system gives up the ghost.
Now if you've never looked at user agent strings, they are rather dull and geeky, and full of lots of technical gubbins like these examples:
* Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-GB; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050717 Firefox/1.0.6
* Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/85.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/85.5
* Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; America Online Browser 1.1; Windows NT 5.1; SV1;
* Mozilla/4.0 NETIKUS.NET GetHttp v1.0
* Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Hotbar 4.5.1.0)
* Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE)
* Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 Firebird/0.7
* Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; T312461; BT [build 60A])
There are of course some caveats around the figures I'm about to talk about.
User agent strings aren't an exact science. Or rather, they ought to be, but in the real world the come out a right mess. I've done my best to untangle them, but I still ended up with a significant number of user agents that I could not identify properly. And that is before we get started on the corporate networks that use the UA string to broadcast their corporate branding to the world whilst masking their operating system. Or requests claiming to come from both Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Explorer 5.5. Or that claim to be from a particular Linux distribution and Windows 98 at the same time. Or the plain weird like the inadvisably named KummClient from Hungary that proudly proclaims 'Linux rulez' to anyone like me dull enough to be delving through their logfiles.
User agent statistics on something as big as the BBC homepage could almost be the very definition of the long tail. The most popular user agent string - IE6 on Windows XP - clocked up nearly 6 million requests. I only counted user agents that had made more than 50 requests, but between 6 million and 50 requests there were nearly 11,000 different user agents to look at. Examining that number of requests accounted for 95% of the reported traffic, but only around 1/3 of the stats report. I initially suspected that counting the whole of the tail was likely to increase the market share I derived for the quirkier set-ups, but a random sample showed that a large proportion of the tail consisted of the most popular browsers and operating systems, but with different installed toolbars or corporate network messages that distinguished them as a unique string.
And I must stress again, these figures don't represent the breakdown of visitors to the BBC site as a whole, they are based on requests to the homepage alone, over the course of one week in September. Nevertheless I think they provide an interesting snapshot of web activity.
In total I've examined around 32 million requests to the BBC servers - although some of these have been discounted as 'unknowns' and some originate from crawlers and spiders.
The complete dominance of Windows XP and Internet Explor
Remember, with every English-US installation of Firefox comes a preloaded RSS feed on the bookmark toolbar that points to the BBC for news (I say this as an avid Firefox user)
There is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men. -- Boondock Saints
One thing I noticed when I installed Firefox, is that it comes with just one live bookmark. It is called: "Latest Headlines", and pulls the feed from http://fxfeeds.mozilla.org/rss20.xml/ But, this feed is the same as the main stories feed at BBC. I would figure people would click on these and get some more exposure to the BBC site, more than usual. This has actually made myself more aware of those stories, and made me more likely to visit again.
The obvious solution is to make the BBC homepage the default homepage for Firefox!
The more you regulate a company, the worse its products become.
Windows Operating System Share
Concentrating on just Windows alone we can see that Microsoft have done a very thorough job of converting their user base to the most recent iteration of the software. Windows XP accounts for just under 70.5% of the Windows requests, and Windows 2000 a further 17.4%. That means in total around 88% of users of Microsoft Operating System products are using the two most recent consumer releases.
Windows 98 features in 7% of requests made from a computer running a version of Windows, and after that the figures are very small in terms of market share. In fact the next largest figures is a clump of 'Windows other' including Windows CE, and various unspecific Windows NT user-agents that I couldn't pin down to a precise version.
Mac Operating System Share
I was frustrated in my attempts to similarly breakdown the different versions of the Mac OS that people were using to request the BBC homepage. I established that from the requests we saw I could identify Panther as supplying 31%, Tiger supplying 21%, with Jaguar lagging behind at 3%. However there were 41% of requests where I could identify that the computer was a Mac, but not the specific version. That is because Safari helpfully supplies in the user agent string the WebKit build, allowing the precise version of the OS to be identified, but most other browsers do not.
Linux Requests To The BBC Homepage
The number of Linux requests to the BBC homepage was very small, representing only 0.41% - less than 100,000 - of the 32 million requests included in this study. With such a comparatively low number I didn't take the time to delve into which different distributions were driving the requests.
The figures may, however, mask a slightly higher use of Linux. Since the user agents generated are more likely to be unique, they are more likely to have fallen into the statistical long tail. However I should add that my random samples of the tail did not show that it consisted entirely of Linux, in fact as I mentioned earlier, a lot of corporate-branded Windows networks show up in the tail.
Legacy OS Systems
We have some fairly strict standards for supporting legacy technology at the BBC on the client-side - but the long tail of older OS software visiting the BBC homepage is amazing. We still saw over 300 requests for the BBC homepage coming from machines claiming to be running Windows 3.1, and around 200 requests from machines claiming to be persevering with 0S/2 Warp.
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I'm the webdesigner for a small AuPair company in the UK, our demographic is entirely UK Families and young foreign nationals.
For this month, this is the breakdown of browser access
5250 Views this month:
* 77.5% Internet Explorer (inc. Maxthon & AOL) = 4070 Views
v5 (57 views) v5.5 (27 views) v6 (3703 views)
* 10.9% Mozilla Firefox (inc. Netscape & SeaMonkey) = 574 Views
* 02.3% Apple Safari (inc. Linux Konqueror) = 122 Views
* 00.4% Opera Browser = 22 Views
* 08.8% Other (Unknown, bots and rare browsers) = 462 Views
Even with this incredibly Windows/IE centric demographic (almost all being "regular" people), I'm very pleased to see a 10% Firefox Usage. The site only counts 1 view per IP per 24 Hours and ignores views from my IP and the Company's business address IP.
I've read the bbc news website is the most visited website in the UK, so it's probably the best indication of what UK people use to browse the web. I wonder how many of the IE stats are Opera however.
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Yeah, switch to "googlebot" and have free access to all these pay-for-registration sites.
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
Anyone considered that, maybe, that might have influenced the results? Having a default bookmark as the page of the study? You wouldnt take browser results from MSN.com or whatever IE's default home page is.
Nevermind me though, I just suggested that a pro-Firefox poll might be biased. Karma be dammed!
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I run a web hosting business and here is the breakdown for webstats last month, and yes its linux hosting btw:
:)
Windows 16400 70 %
Linux 5497 23.4 %
MS Internet Explorer No 14012 59.8 %
Firefox No 7579 32.3 %
Though windows is the dominator in this respect but it goes to show the website content does really depend on who visits the site and therefore produces the stats.
Lets face it BBC is a news network business people and general interest users are reading these articals; ofcourse nerds and geeks are but on the scale of things we really only make up that 9%
I used to be about 60% Netscape 35% IE 5% misc like lynx etc, when I started in 1998.
Then it got to about 95% IE, so 85% is quick a marked drop in IE support.
Do remember that the BBC is hardly a generic site for your average Internet user, it attracts a significant quantity of beginners and is dull for anyone technical (there are a higher proportion of technical users on the Internet than you'd meet on a street). So these stats are quite good.
I know the way they are worked out should be quite fair.
The relevant information is not the raw number, but the trend. If you see Firefox gaining 1% every month of so, then is is reasonable to conclude that Firefox is gaining marketshare--in fact, it is even reasonable to assume that that gain is about 1% per month, since statistical anomalies and distortions caused by "AOL tweaking their cache configs" averages out to noise in a long-term trend.
While you are right that an accurate snapshot is impossible, snapshots only matter to magazine writers facing a deadline. In both the economic and intellectual marketplaces, what matters is the trend.
Flout 'em and scout 'em,
and scout 'em and flout 'em;
Thought is free. - Shakespeare [The Tempest]
Is the BBC homepage supposed to reflect some important or signifigant user base?
Yes. It is probably the broadest cross section of mostly British web users you are likely to find on a single site.
The fact that nearly 10% of those users use firefox is particularly relevant, and is a good weapon for those of us who do commercial web design to persuade our clients that the extra work to support alternative browsers properly *is* worth it.
It is plausible that some IE users have BCC homepage set as browser's start page and create large number of hits.
but other browsers have alternative mechanisms, that allow user to visit homepage even less often than usual. For example Opera on each start reopens previously open tabs, from cache, so rarely anyone uses start page feature. Opera and FF have RSS that leads users directly to articles, etc.
The googlebot UA string currently is (remove the space in "ht tp"):
or:
Yahoo:
MSN:
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